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iGuidance V4 - WM6

Well just got my upgrade to iG v4.
Here is a short review so far:
The Good:
It works on WM6, no delayed starts on a connected data session, no slow voice prompts, no fullscreen crashes.... My greatest concerns laid to rest.
SmartPhone edition... At least that is what got installed in the directory before I ran it once and it was deleted... nice if so.
Left/Right d-pad scrolls through the key screens (Map, Trip Info, Current Location Data, GPS info, Route List, Destination Info..)
Installed on the main memory performance is quite good and only takes 3-4M for the QVGA version, once you run it once it deletes what it does not need.
Street Fonts are a tiny bit bigger on the closer zoom levels as you approach the street, makes it a bit easier to read with my aging eye sight, but still not good enough for a quick glance... A nice enhancement would be to display the next cross street name, but that comes at a trade off to map view so its a debate there that I am sure the INav folks had. It's a hard balance to keep the map uncluttered and full of useful info...
POI's show up on the map as nicer icons at farther out zoom levels, nice
Of course the street data itself is more accurate now. Most likely the biggest improvement.
Text to Speech. The voice tonation while still female is slightly higher and faster then the normal prompt. It takes a trip or two to get used to it. But it is really pretty good for a first attempt on a PPC platform. The street names are clear and understandable. I always liked the prompts IG gave and having the street name in them is a nice addition meaning I don't have to look at the screen on complex or fast turns...
One map file easy to transfer via a card reader. Simple, complete.
Smaller fonts in the display lists for towns and streets, NOW the street name is decernable and not cut off nor duplicated leaving you wondering which version of the street you were selecting as a destination.
The Not So Good:
Still only the standard color choices. I don't like any of them so I stick with yellow...
Street Fonts - Still can be difficult to read directly from the map while moving, it can be a manuver to get a cross street while on the go.
No WM5-6 menu soft buttons. Come on iNav I thought for sure V4 would get up with the times!
One map file. I like not having to deal with the map loader anymore, but dedicatiing 1.38G of card space to the files really eats up my SD card for street data I may never ever ever ever need... A way to split out half the contry would be a nice add on later on. There has to be an easy way to extract out or split the map data into halves, quadrants??? Gaining some card space back would be nice...
ABC keyboard. I think there is a skin for a QWERTY keyboard out there I may give it a try. It is just a little confusing when typing in street info..
Overall the release is stable and up to date. I was on the fence as the $79 upgrade put me on the verge of moving over to another product but after demoing them I still found them lacking features that I liked in iGuidance. Tom Tom came the closest and still has some very nice features but the hurdle there was cost of entry $50 more and older street data. I think for my use that iGuidance provides the best balance of uncluttered map rendering with useful information display and robust voice prompts in a compact foot print on the device (program wise not the maps... That I think is still a bit large).

Well you sold me! I have 3.0.1 but I think i'm going to have to pop for the new version just for the main issues (no crashing, delay with data conn., etc)

I was already sold, because iguidance has always been a stellar product. I have 2.1.3 and 3.0.1, so 4.0 was already in my future. I must admit it really does help to hear first hand comments.

I've used iGuidance v3 with Schaps' 3.30c for some time and have never had the issues which you describe. (lock ups, slow screens, etc.)
Great program and I'll be eyeballing and upgrade to v4.
J

Thanks for the great review. For me, the 1.3gb map file is a show stopper. I have alot of mp3 and videos on my storage card and giving up 1.3 gigs when I only need a few hundred megs - forget about it! I will stick with my 3.01 and just not touch the map screen (which causes it to crash in WM6).

i just ordered a 2GB Sandisk Ultra II microSD on internet, my current 1GB microSD wont fits the map data.
so i installed IG4.0 on Dell Axim x50v with WM5.0, it takes much longer to load the map or calculate the routes compare to IG3.1,
maybe because it has to search the whole 1.3GB of map data to find what it needs..
or maybe i have a slow (regular) SD card
the lady that speaks the street names (TTS) kinda talk too fast, sometime it's hard to understand what she saying.

speaking of Iguidance. is there a script that turn on bluetooth automally when i launch iguidance?

i hate to say it but tomtom all the way.
i have both, i have loves iguidance (used it since 2.0) and it worked great till things start slowing down for now reasons.
When it works it's great, when it doesn't it's a nightmare (you usually have to soft reset after closing to get the unit to sync again with a BT receiver).
tomtom on the other hand is very intuitive. map loading is a nightmare (much worse than iguidance) but once there everything is smooth sailing (soft menus do get a bit too deep at time).
in any case iguidance 4 looks nice but i think i'll stick with tomtom nav 6.

samw52000 said:
i hate to say it but tomtom all the way.
i have both, i have loves iguidance (used it since 2.0) and it worked great till things start slowing down for now reasons.
When it works it's great, when it doesn't it's a nightmare (you usually have to soft reset after closing to get the unit to sync again with a BT receiver).
tomtom on the other hand is very intuitive. map loading is a nightmare (much worse than iguidance) but once there everything is smooth sailing (soft menus do get a bit too deep at time).
in any case iguidance 4 looks nice but i think i'll stick with tomtom nav 6.
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does tomtom give you the ability to load destinations from your contacts list?

Coppying this from another thread I posted in, to add a few points;
I tested it out last night on a Cingular 8525 that is running WM6 (Black Majik), and it works great, no more abrupt program closes when touching the screen while driving, that occured with v3 and WM6.
The new text to speech engine works fine however, they still use the nice English woman's voice for the basic prompts, then when a road comes up where the TTS kicks in, the voice switches to a rough sounding woman (maybe an old smoker?). The overall effect is OK but a little odd/distracting to me.
I used to change a few sounds in the program files\iNav\snd folder to my preference, e.g. I changed the annoying "ding" (Mvr.wav) to now say "TurnPoint". Well the sound files are still there but are now sporting .spx extensions, seem to be smaller files now. Edit, there are audio converters (eg. Ease Audio Converter) that easily convert .wav to .spx so it's still easy to tweak a few sounds if desired.
The North America Edition, covers North America, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and the US Virgin Islands. All of this and the TTS engine now are all in one 1.3gig folder that you must copy onto the phone's microSD card, no more loader program for maps! Since Black and other latest WM6 roms support MicroSDHC Cards, I added a 4gig card to mine so the storage is now a non issue for me.
Overall I like it, I'd prefer that the major highways still use the original voice "turn on 5 north" vs the TTS, nice voice "turn on" then rough voice "CA 5 North" which as I mentioned is just a little off sounding. But the prog seems stable, minor changes in the data entry areas but very minor.
Edit, Here's a tip from GPSpassion, to now choose your speech options, Original Voice Only (non-TTS), All TTS, and the stock Mixed Mode (wav and TTS).
* Open your register editor
* Navigate to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\iNav\iGuidance
* Create a new DWORD Value
* Name it TTS
* Set the value to 0 to hear direction prompts consisting of only WAV
* Set the value to 1 to hear direction prompts consisting of WAV & TTS
* Set the value to 2 to hear direction prompts consisting of only TTS
0 = voice prompts as in older iGuidance versions (no street names)
1 = default voice prompts of iGuidance 4
2 = TTS (text-to-speech) used for the whole voice prompt (not just for street names)
I tried this, changed to All TTS and it's less distracting compared to the standard version where it's shifting between two different voices. I've tested this more and now see why iNav made this Mixed option the only option. If you use the "all TTS" option, there is a greater delay in the voice prompts which means the they come too late if you are driving at any faster speed (eg over 25-30 mph). The mixed version is OK as far as the delay. They should have put TTS On/Off as a toggle in the setup screens as I am still on the fence as to weather the TTS is that great. I'd like to be able to kick it in and out. Maybe a Mort Script is in my future for this.
All in all I do like it and iNav still. I may try OCN6 but don't want a dedicated memory card so that may nix that for me.

It was tough clearing out some MP3s to get the space. I will be getting a 4G card when faster ones come out and I don't have to sell my first born to get one.
I was really on the fence but since it is performing good I don't mind paying for the upgrade.
I think there is a voice speed up/down hack floating around somewhere also if I fine it I will post it.
I really think that card speed impacts aspects of the programs performance. I have a 60X 2G card and it seems OK to me.

I just installed iGuidance 4, having used TomTom for several years. I'm not crazy about the iG4 interface, but the map and POI data is so much better.
Strangely, I am having the slow startup problem. I'm running an 8525 with Black Satin, and unless I disconnect my data connection (usually GPRS), it takes more than 2 minutes to load. It's not a big deal, as it's easy to disconnect, but it's surprising as I heard that this was fixed with version 4. I never ran version 3, so I don't know how the issue compares between versions. I'm not having the screen-touch crash problem at all.

i running iguidance v4.0 with a script that turn on bluetooth automally when i launch ig4.0, it takes around 15seconds to load IG4.0 with GRPS data connected.

joshnat said:
I just installed iGuidance 4, having used TomTom for several years. I'm not crazy about the iG4 interface, but the map and POI data is so much better.
Strangely, I am having the slow startup problem. I'm running an 8525 with Black Satin, and unless I disconnect my data connection (usually GPRS), it takes more than 2 minutes to load. It's not a big deal, as it's easy to disconnect, but it's surprising as I heard that this was fixed with version 4. I never ran version 3, so I don't know how the issue compares between versions. I'm not having the screen-touch crash problem at all.
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This is a little dis-concerting. I was going to buy this, but this is my biggest issue with iGuidance 3. Anyone else running into this issue?

i used TT6 b4. It goes much faster than IGuidance 4.0. The iGuidance's map is much better accurated and pronounce street names. Iguidance makes my 8525 go really slow. I'm using Schaps 3.57a. TT6 turns on Bluetooth automaticly, but Iguidance 4.0 doesn't. Which one should i use?

i have no startup issues with iG4. its the "stuttering problem" that has been bugging me and some others in another forum.
if you do experience the "stuttering problem" the registry edit that was posted few posts back solves it.
i do agree GUI of this app is yet to be desired. anybody else tried iGO? now that kind of GUI would be nice for iG4

Well, I do have problem with start-up. It's slow when on Data connection.
Other issues it's "stuttering problem" but I think that iNavCorp will handle this issue.
Overall the program is great. I've started with 2.3.1 then 3.0 -> 3.01. Maps, well I think what they did is great. 3.01 I had 1.4 GB with Eastern US and Canada, now 1.3 GB and its all. Interface - you have to get used to it, I like it.
I have original WM6 from HTC.

is there any ways to turn on Bluetooth automaticlly when we start Iduidance like Tom Tom6?????

Pawlisko said:
Well, I do have problem with start-up. It's slow when on Data connection.
Other issues it's "stuttering problem" but I think that iNavCorp will handle this issue.
i hope so. emailed them about this problem and all they said was to send them a recording of the problem.
buygpsnow.com also emailed them of the same issue and all the said was it was an isolated case. so maybe if there are any other users here with the same issue, inav may be convinced that their product has a problem.
Overall the program is great. I've started with 2.3.1 then 3.0 -> 3.01. Maps, well I think what they did is great. 3.01 I had 1.4 GB with Eastern US and Canada, now 1.3 GB and its all. Interface - you have to get used to it, I like it.
I have original WM6 from HTC.
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Pawlisko said:
Well, I do have problem with start-up. It's slow when on Data connection.
their has been posts about users having problems using iG4 while an ACTIVE DATA CONNECTION is active. so this may be something you need to look into more.
have you tried using iG4 without any DATA CONNECTION active? if so, do you have the same problem?
Other issues it's "stuttering problem" but I think that iNavCorp will handle this issue.
Overall the program is great. I've started with 2.3.1 then 3.0 -> 3.01. Maps, well I think what they did is great. 3.01 I had 1.4 GB with Eastern US and Canada, now 1.3 GB and its all. Interface - you have to get used to it, I like it.
I have original WM6 from HTC.
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Walking GPS Software

Hey peeps, well I've jsut got my phone replaced and got it back to how I like it working and loving every minute again lol
So my and swmbo have decided that we'd like to do a little walking\hiking and I was wondering if anyone is running any gps software for hillwalking?
Early days to pick one but would appreciate anyones advice.

have you tried this.. gps software
hi..i do a lot of running and have tried "sportypal " which is a free software for running, cycling, blading, walking, skiing or other workouts involving similar activities...it works for me.......just google ....for it...or try www.freewarepocketpc.net ....works fine on my hd

There's GPSed, which lets you record your route and attach photos at the points you took them (based on the time they were taken, so you can use a camera that doesn't geotag the pics if you want).
http://gpsed.com/
The basic version is free, but the pro version isn't.

Memory Map Pocket Navigator runs on the HD (main program installs on your PC and self-installs Pocket Nav to the phone, with the PC app syncing maps, overlays and routes to the device as required via USB). National maps (OSGB,USGS, etc.) and elevation data sold for most places and you can scan in your own maps. It's far from free, but kinda good.
http://www.memory-map.com/
The only issue on the HD is the footer menu bar icons are a strange color, but they're legible and work fine. As with most GPS apps you need to make sure you've got A-GPS turned off on the HD settings menu (quickGPS can stay on for updates, but A-GPS interferes with the NMEA data and the app continually drops out of lock).

I think you can also give Garmin a shot. If I remember you can get different map types.

I use GPS Cycle Computer v3 when I go hiking in the lakes, it has very good options for saving battery life. It was designed for the Diamond but works perfectly on the HD. Creates GPX & KLM files for importing into Google earth etc.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=424423

...and the winner is...
All these recommendations are sub-standard if compared to RunGPS (portable trainer): it is not cheap (you get what you pay for), but it does everything, including taking you back where you left, if you get so much into running or other outdoor activities, and you get lost. All this via voice guidance. Furthermore, the application constantly monitors your parameters as you run and reads these aloud to you, including total distance and burned calories! If you have a supported-heart-beat monitor device, this can be attached, too! Simply the best! You also have online-map support.
Sorry, I am not affiliated to this company, but this application is cool. No offence to other suggestions!
www.rungps.net

For the simplest GPS tracking program, I use NoniPlot. Fairly good for mapless gps tracking.

carola said:
All these recommendations are sub-standard if compared to RunGPS (portable trainer): it is not cheap (you get what you pay for), but it does everything, including taking you back where you left, if you get so much into running or other outdoor activities, and you get lost. All this via voice guidance. Furthermore, the application constantly monitors your parameters as you run and reads these aloud to you, including total distance and burned calories! If you have a supported-heart-beat monitor device, this can be attached, too! Simply the best! You also have online-map support.
Sorry, I am not affiliated to this company, but this application is cool. No offence to other suggestions!
www.rungps.net
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i agree 100% . if you try rungps you'll never want to use any other software!

well I disagree with statements about rungps.. I found run unstable and overpriced, but each to their own..
I much prefer memory map, gps cycle computer and my favourite gpsvp.
I teach DofE award (and bel) in the UK, and memory map works exactlly as needed (for winding up lost pupils, by showing them exactly where they've just walked compared to where they should be walking). The Desktop version is great for showing what contours they are likely to come across and gives a great visual lesson in map interpretation.
GpsVp works great when I'm cycling overseas where OS maps aren't available, and gps cycle computer for generally logging my rides with the minimum of fuss.

fards said:
well I disagree with statements about rungps.. I found run unstable and overpriced, but each to their own..
I much prefer memory map, gps cycle computer and my favourite gpsvp.
I teach DofE award (and bel) in the UK, and memory map works exactlly as needed (for winding up lost pupils, by showing them exactly where they've just walked compared to where they should be walking). The Desktop version is great for showing what contours they are likely to come across and gives a great visual lesson in map interpretation.
GpsVp works great when I'm cycling overseas where OS maps aren't available, and gps cycle computer for generally logging my rides with the minimum of fuss.
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I am sorry, but even looking at the interface (website), I feel as if installing this piece of software would result in my HD (OS) stating that this software was written for an earrlier version of the operating system.

I have both RunGPS and SportyPal (http://www.sportypal.com/) on my X1. Both are great. RunGPS has a few more features... but SportyPal is free.

how is the SportyPal in case of battery consumption? for example, if I want to use it fore 7 hours of recording my skiing or a long bike trip or a whole day hiking...
thanks

I've tried many apps like that but they either don't do what I want or are too complex and I cannot make them do what I want. I'm looking for an app which would:
- display tracks in gpx or kmz format
- let me choose a certain area and download maps for all/selected zoom levels (at least google maps, ideally ordnance survey) for offline use.
I can normally use google maps app which displays kmz (or kml, cannot remember) tracks and obviously lets you see maps, but it works only when I have signal and 9 times out of 10 I do hillwalking where there's no signal whatsoever.
Does anybody know an app which would have at least these 2 features?

paw3lk said:
I've tried many apps like that but they either don't do what I want or are too complex and I cannot make them do what I want. I'm looking for an app which would:
- display tracks in gpx or kmz format
- let me choose a certain area and download maps for all/selected zoom levels (at least google maps, ideally ordnance survey) for offline use.
I can normally use google maps app which displays kmz (or kml, cannot remember) tracks and obviously lets you see maps, but it works only when I have signal and 9 times out of 10 I do hillwalking where there's no signal whatsoever.
Does anybody know an app which would have at least these 2 features?
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I haven't tried all the above mentioned gps software but with rungps you can do both.
you can create your own maps and place them in rungps folder for offline use

OK let me be a bit more specific - I want to be able to cache maps from the phone itself, so without a need to use a PC. If this software is able to do this please let me know how, because I've downloaded the trial of rungps and I cannot do any of these things.
Thanks

hm hm hm. i am testing sportypal right now. everything seems ok, but...have do I manage, that recording of my route does not stops everytime when the device turns into sleeping mode (which is automatic). is there any chance to have the device sleep (that helps battery) and still have active recording?
I was today on a 40 km bike trip and what I have found is point A (my home) and point B (place where I stopped the recording) and just a air line between them :-(
I have just one positive recording - when i used car charger and recorded some driving (the device did´t converted into sleep mode).
any advice?

I don't thing is possible to still record your rout while the device is in sleeping mode. It will lose the GPS signal.

During my holiday in spain, i used at the same time rungps and garmin:
- Garmin mobiel XT for its topo map
- rungps for tracking, and for hiking statistics (distance, average speed, ...)
RunGPS is more stable than garmin for reliable tracking.
Full charged battery of the HD (in airplane more) can reach around 5 hours. For bigger duration hikings, i had an external 3000mAh usb battery. During a 8 hours hiking, i plugged the battery after 4 hours (25%) and 4 hours later, my HD was fully charger and the external battery was not empty yet.

Why not give geocaching a go? they have a cool app that works well on the HD called GCzII.
Careful Geocachig is catching, the HD is ideal for it too!!

GPS

Hi,
I have always wondered, do I need a data plan in order to use GPS on this device? This is my first device to have built-in GPS. For the past few days I have only been using it at home where there is a wifi connection and it picks up my location with no problems. GPRS is turned off on the device since I do not have a data plan (very expensive with Rogers). What I'm wondering is if I will need a constant data connection to use the map (Google maps) outside the house.

If you are using Google Maps you would need a data connection because the maps are stored on their server and therefore have to be loaded onto your device. If you don't want to use the data connection you'll have to download third party GPS maps onto your device such as Garmin Mobile XT, TomTom 7, or ZorroGPS. If you have the maps stored on your device there is no need to access any information over a data connection.

Thanks for the quick response....
Any recomendations?

If you just want driving directions, iGO8 is pretty good.

Thanks! Thats pretty much all I need!
I'll check it out and report back.

The website says "It only runs on the on the original SD card". I already have a 16GB SD card and I can't lose that to run GPS software.
Did I read wrong?

iGO8 runs on any SD (or even internal memory), Garmin, as they say, only runs on their microSD cards.

Hmm, weird thing is on Nav N Go website, iGO8 is not available in with Canadian maps. Is this correct or am I weird?

You can copy Garmin to your own SD card. It does take some hacking, but totally possible. Do a google search, there is a very useful thread on AT&T Wireless' forums.

After a some research, I finally bumped into CoPilot Live 8. Looks amazing!!! I already purchased it and will be testing it out over the weekend.
Thanks for all your suggestions.

How has the CoPilot worked out?
Does look good, and cheap... looks like you have to buy the software with each map though. Still, another licence I suppose!

p_shep said:
How has the CoPilot worked out?
Does look good, and cheap... looks like you have to buy the software with each map though. Still, another licence I suppose!
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There are mixed reviews of CoPilot 8. Have a look:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=548314
http://www.trustedreviews.com/car-tech/review/2009/08/17/ALK-CoPilot-Live-8-for-Windows-Mobile/p1
I remember reading some complaints that maps were rather out of date, but can't find the references to those reviews (sorry!).

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How has the CoPilot worked out?
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In short, I'm happy with it. Then again, I don't have much to compare it with. The graphics are simple and clean, and the response and accuracy is pretty satisfactory. I'll see if I can get you some screenshots.

Me too
I used to be a diehard TomTom customer but have switched to CoPilot since getting the TouchPro2. I got cheesed off with TomTom's lack of recognition for their customers, tried the Copilot demo that HTC had on their site liked but live 8 and haven't had any problems with it, maps are clean and easy to understand, it's got some nice little features like lane directions when coming off a motorway (might be UK specific, not sure).
I've since converted all my favourites from TomTom and imported them into CoPilot as POI's so happier than a pig in the proverbial

Oh, how do you convert the favourites? I googled, but couldn't find much.

Is any one using IGuidance 2009 on TP2? I sent an email to support to check if it works on WVGA, and got the reply saying it will but the screen will not use full WVGA while using menus, but while driving, it will use full screen. That way it's working fine, but the TTS is not working, it just says "turn right on to" and does not say street name. It's working great on Fuze.
Is it working for anyone here?
Thanks

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There are mixed reviews of CoPilot 8. Have a look:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=548314
http://www.trustedreviews.com/car-tech/review/2009/08/17/ALK-CoPilot-Live-8-for-Windows-Mobile/p1
I remember reading some complaints that maps were rather out of date, but can't find the references to those reviews (sorry!).
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The maps are definitely a bit out of date -- I run CPL 8 on my Fuze (soon to upgrade to Tilt 2), and its maps don't include my parents' subdivision, which was built in 2006.
However, ALK has just rolled out their MapSure program -- just report map omissions/errors, and they promise to have new maps ready in 45 days.

CoPilot 8 bug
Has anyone noticed a bug in CoPilot Live 8 where if you select POI > Nearby > Restaurants, it gives you a list of hotels. And if you select hotels, it says "Restaurants" but with an empty list? I noticed this the first time I installed and even after upgrading my ROM to 6.5

I currently have TomTom it it get my by for local or short trips when I don't have my Garmin (stand alone unit). For long trips I try to avoid it as it's routing isn't as good as my Garmin. I think I will eventually buy Garmin XT for my Tilt 2.
TomTom allows for great user customization of menus and such, but I'm willing to give that up for better routing, especially on long trips.
I've considered the other GPS programs out there, but don't have any experience with them. So I think it eventualy going to be Garmin for me.

using gps lock on without service

I am thinking of purchasing a Motorola droid with a car mount/media station for cheap (probably around 100$) and i was wondering if i could use it as a gps without cell phone service?

i wouldn't see why not... gps is simply a signal just like wifi(if its free of course) it would be just like buying a tomtom i would imagine... try putting ur phone into airplane mode and testing the gps

Of course, do keep in mind that both Google Maps and Sprint Nav need a data connection at least initially to download the route information. The new GMaps is supposed to be able to work offline once it does the initial route, though you may need a connection if you veer off course.
There is at least one app that works off maps on the SD card, but I can't recall its name right now.

Visionikz03 said:
i wouldn't see why not... gps is simply a signal just like wifi(if its free of course) it would be just like buying a tomtom i would imagine... try putting ur phone into airplane mode and testing the gps
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I will tomorrow.
bkrodgers said:
Of course, do keep in mind that both Google Maps and Sprint Nav need a data connection at least initially to download the route information. The new GMaps is supposed to be able to work offline once it does the initial route, though you may need a connection if you veer off course.
There is at least one app that works off maps on the SD card, but I can't recall its name right now.
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If you think of it, please let me know!

CoPilot Live lets you store the maps on your SD, or so they claim. The reviews on the market aren't too great though.
http://www.alk.com/copilot/android/
There are others as well, a quick search yields:
http://www.mapdroyd.com/
http://www.ndriveweb.com/products/product/96/
http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/how-to-buy.html
Perhaps others too. But I can't vouch for any of these. I'm fine using GMaps even with the data connection requirements. Especially now that you don't need a data connection all the time -- only when generating a new route. I'm not sure whether it can handle simple missed turns without a connection or if it doesn't cache anything outside the route. I haven't tested that yet.

I've never found a maps or navigation program that I like other than Google, and I've tried pretty much all of them. They're a hassle to get maps for. The new GMaps does cache tiles, though I haven't tested it extensively, and I don't know that it caches maps in the Navigation program (which I use all the time as well).
GPS will lock even with no cell service. But unless you find a good offline map app, you'll just have your nice little blue arrow showing you exactly where you are on a plain gray featureless map.

Official Garmin GPS app available (US only)

$39.99, no trial. Let's just say at least it's a step forward.
http://www.wpcentral.com/garmin-streetpilot-hits-marketplace

...lets hope the European version will follow soon...

Too bad you can't download the full maps, though. You need to download your maps on a "per route" basis.
I am somewhat greatfull that I have t-mobile germany, so I get the Navigon App for "free". Here, I don't need a data volume to navigate.

It's available for the US and Canada.

Is it just a case of a locked API that no one is currently offering a GPS navigation app that has maps pre-loaded?
All these ones that are coming out that need a data connection are pretty useless since i only really use sat-nav out in the sticks where i don't get reception.
I'm not keen on having to pre-download a map each time i make a journey either.
I really miss IGo8 off my old Blackstone

Freypal said:
Is it just a case of a locked API that no one is currently offering a GPS navigation app that has maps pre-loaded?
All these ones that are coming out that need a data connection are pretty useless since i only really use sat-nav out in the sticks where i don't get reception.
I'm not keen on having to pre-download a map each time i make a journey either.
I really miss IGo8 off my old Blackstone
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I do not think it is API problem. They seem to keep storing the maps as you keep using new routes. I think they are using on-demand maps as a DRM method. It is difficult to pirate when the app keeps communicating (and authenticating) with Garmin servers.

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Too bad you can't download the full maps, though. You need to download your maps on a "per route" basis.
I am somewhat greatfull that I have t-mobile germany, so I get the Navigon App for "free". Here, I don't need a data volume to navigate.
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Agreed on the Navigon software; the 3.0 version is outstanding. And looks far more "metro" in style than this $40 software.
I believe the reason we are not seeing any offline gps software (ie with offline maps and offline routing) is because these companies have algorithms and "engines" for planning routes, and they cannot (or don't want to) convert these DLLs to silverlight. MS doesn't allow you to use your own proprietary code and DLLs in the marketplace. So the only proper nav apps with offline routing and maps, such as Navigon, can only exist if they are manufacturer or carrier-supplied (in the same way that HTC can offer compass and flashlight apps).

Pity this is US/Canada only... really after a decent nav app (Turn-By-Turn's (GPSTuner) POI's dont work in Australia!)

It is a shame for those in other regions, but for those of us in North America, it is pretty sweet. My only gripes with the app are the fact that they didn't include a "run under lock screen" option (a must-have option for Focus users), and the voice seems, at times, to be over-compressed, and comes out just a tad fuzzy. By way of comparison the voice on the AT&T Navigator app is crystal clear. But that is about the only advantage it has over Garmin's new app.

Hello,
I think that navigon will be for Europe.
anyway, it is a very good GPS (navigon) I used this program in try v3.
it's great.

I like it. Looks promising. However I would not get it. I already have a gps for that reason.

I picked it up a couple of days and tried it out and was sorely unimpressed.
Issues:
1) It lost the satellite sync a number of times in urban, but not downtown Seattle.
2) It seems to have no sense of correcting the raw data. For example, if I'm travelling along a highway at speed, you'd think that I'd be going in the same heading as the road. It apparently just reads the raw compass data, resulting in the appearance of a perpetual power slide as I drive.
3) When it loses me and recalculates, it treats it like I'm starting a new trip (with the same phrase at the beginning) and may want me to start on a different, albeit nearby road.
4) Position inaccuracy kept it thinking I was moving when I wasn't. This happened a LOT, although clearly it new I wasn't moving much, and reset me.
5) It doesn't have street names like TomTom.
6) It doesn't let me pull from Contacts. Maybe when Mango is released?
The real summary here is that if I hadn't known where I was going, it would have taken me a fairly poor direction as it would lose me, think I was relatively far away, and start calling out instructions from that. I'd rather use Bing Maps (which I think the touching idea is terrible) or TomTom on my iPad. I got the Garmin because TomTom won't, for some reason, allow my traffic subscription to work on the iPad.
There are some things about the app I like:
1) Data entry for the address was nice. I preferred it over the TomTom.
2) Screen layout is nice.
3) Pictures of road changes are amazing!

I haven't experienced the first two issues you described at all, so I can neither confirm nor deny them .
Issue 3 is a minor annoyance (although I've never had it place me on the wrong street), but I hope it is addressed in an update soon.
Issue 4 I have seen a couple of times, but it did correct very quickly.
For issue 5, I have no idea what you mean. My copy always speaks the correct street name as I approach a turn. Maybe it varies by area, but I am in a much more rural area than Seattle, so I would expect that I would experience that problem before you would.
Issue 6 has nothing to do with the app, it is strictly an API issue. No GPS app on the marketplace today can pull from your contacts. But that will come with Mango.

I have not tried this app yet but i have tried and am currently using Navigon Select 3.0 form this thread and i must say that for the 1 day of testing it, it is working great. BTW, i am a bit biased when it comes to Navigon, i have been using it for a long time now on my old Iphone 3G.

Garmin broken?
I recently started having a problem with the Garmin Streetpilot. Every time i run it, it says "Acquiring Satellite" but never seems to acquire the satellite. I've let it go 15 minutes while driving, and no dice.
I remember getting a Samsung software to improve my GPS reception, and assumed it had somehow broken Garmin. Today I restored my phone back to NoDo, and then got the offical Mango upgrade, this time without getting the Samsung App. Installed Garmin, and wham, exact same problem. It just can't acquire the satellite. I went ahead and grabbed the Samsung app and tried it again, but still no dice.
Does anybody have the Garmin working on their successfully? I'm wondering if they put out an update i missed that broke the app.

I've never had that problem on my Focus, although the previous version wasn't very precise in following the road. However, I briefly tried the new Mango version yesterday (which presumably includes compass support), it had no trouble at all.

I'm starting to suspect the problem is that I didn't get a Samsung firmware update, so my compass isn't working. I'm wondering if the Garmin keeps trying to ping the compass and getting stuck because it can't access it?

That's possible, but I don't think the app would report that the satellite could not be acquired if the only problem was a missing compass.

I agree it doesn't make sense, but given what i've seen in software development, it wouldn't be too surprising.

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I recently started having a problem with the Garmin Streetpilot. Every time i run it, it says "Acquiring Satellite" but never seems to acquire the satellite. I've let it go 15 minutes while driving, and no dice.
I remember getting a Samsung software to improve my GPS reception, and assumed it had somehow broken Garmin. Today I restored my phone back to NoDo, and then got the offical Mango upgrade, this time without getting the Samsung App. Installed Garmin, and wham, exact same problem. It just can't acquire the satellite. I went ahead and grabbed the Samsung app and tried it again, but still no dice.
Does anybody have the Garmin working on their successfully? I'm wondering if they put out an update i missed that broke the app.
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I'm having exactly the same problem on Focus (Mango) using StreetPilot 7.5.