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[Q] Is it possible to use Vol-Down button for Power on/off?

The power button on HD is in an inconvenient position and hard to press.
Is it possible to use any other button (like Vol-Down) to power off and on?
I tried AEButton, but it does not seem to have an option to "power-on".
Thanks

Power Off would be possible, however to Power On the device you always need to press the configured power button. This is since AEButton is a software solution and does not alter the hardware settings. Thus making it only run while Windows Mobile is on (by altering the Windows Settings), and since when the device is off WinMo isn't running, so it won't work while the device is off.
sank27 said:
The power button on HD is in an inconvenient position and hard to press.
Is it possible to use any other button (like Vol-Down) to power off and on?
I tried AEButton, but it does not seem to have an option to "power-on".
Thanks
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It's supposed to be somewhat difficult ...
If you don't already know, virtually ALL power buttons are somewhat hard to press/use. It's supposed to be that way. If they were easier to press, you could easily power off your phone while it's in your pocket by accidentally hitting the volume up or down keys, or any other accidental push.
Peter

KilZone said:
Power Off would be possible, however to Power On the device you always need to press the configured power button. This is since AEButton is a software solution and does not alter the hardware settings. Thus making it only run while Windows Mobile is on (by altering the Windows Settings), and since when the device is off WinMo isn't running, so it won't work while the device is off.
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I actually meant the state into which the device goes when you press the power button once (Sleep, suspend ... whatever that is called, although this state is sometimes called power-off), and not complete power-off (by holding the power button).
In this Sleep/Suspend, is it not possible to remap the button?
I mean that it is still able to receive calls in this state, so something is running. But not WinMo?

PeterHTC said:
If you don't already know, virtually ALL power buttons are somewhat hard to press/use. It's supposed to be that way. If they were easier to press, you could easily power off your phone while it's in your pocket by accidentally hitting the volume up or down keys, or any other accidental push.
Peter
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You are right for accidental presses. However that can be taken care by assigning (if possible) a double press instead of single.
Oh, and I am sorry, I did not mean full power off, only sleep/suspend.
For PDAs, such a button placement may be ok, as you anyway have to use both hands to hold the PDA and take out/use the stylus.
But for this phone, single hand use is important. I dont use the stylus most of the time.

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to power on with up/down control, change DefaultKeyLock to 0 in registry.

ucxoq said:
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to power on with up/down control, change DefaultKeyLock to 0 in registry.
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Thanks!! That's almost does it, but for the double press.
I added single press of Vol-Dn in AEB to Today Screen, and double press to a MortScript with PowerOff command.
Now to see if it accidentally comes on in the pouch...

Wake from suspend without hardware key?

Hi guys,
Here is my dream situation:
- Double tap "Hang Up" button to lock the device (I understand this can be done with AEButton Plus, although I haven't tried yet)
- Screen will turn off after a while
- Unlock the device by swiping the finger
At no point are the hardware buttons pressed! My new cover makes touching the power button very hard
Is this possible???
Thanks

They problem, as I am sure you've realized, is that once the phone enters suspended mode the digitizer is disabled (touch) and so are all other non hardware buttons.
I've always had problems with the power button on the HD being a pain in the neck to find and hit, so what I did to rectify this was cut a small hard plastic sticker to the size of the power button and stuck it on there. This helps a lot in not only finding the power button but also pressing it.
(Sticker was a liquid crystal thermometer sticker made by OMEGA: product number RCL-8050/150 I found this to be the perfect width, so I cut off a 1mm sliver off the end)
If you were really stuck on making this work exact as you described, you could prevent the phone from shutting down and just turn off the screen.
(I'm unsure of how the different screen off programs effect the digitizer, my guess it they all disable it at the same time, but I'm sure all that could be seperated.)
However since only the screen would turn off not the device, you'd drain the batter, and its short life would make this not worth it.
Alternate solutions:
Instead of doubletap hangup which you could do through AEButton Plus, but longpress end key can do the same thing just instead by holding the end call key
Also, you configure your phone to wake up at the press of any hardware key, IE the volume buttons on the HD.
Seen here

Also, you configure your phone to wake up at the press of any hardware key, IE the volume buttons on the HD.
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Could you please upload the Keylock Zip file?

Am I the only one who hits the power button with the keyboard extended?

I've searched but I can't find any one else complaing of this problem and it's driving me nuts.
When I extend the hardware keyboard to type, my finger often rests on the power button turning the screen off. Does anybody else face this problem? Is there a registry hack to disable the power button with the keyboard is extended?
Thanks

jejeje
Same problem!!!! so frustating!!!

No you are not the only one; I also have this problem; when writing message I touch the power button accidentally a lot and the only solution I could come to was to be more delicate and careful when writing
Regards,

Yep, same problem here! A really silly thing to miss - there's not particular reason to not have the power button on the right at the top rather than the left.

all the time....
very frustrating,
..then I try to open it, wait a fraction of a second, click it again for fear of not having pushed it enough the first time, ... and I end with the sleep mode on the phone , .. so I click it firmly for a third time finally opening it..
timewaste...

same here

nickpope said:
I've searched but I can't find any one else complaing of this problem and it's driving me nuts.
When I extend the hardware keyboard to type, my finger often rests on the power button turning the screen off. Does anybody else face this problem? Is there a registry hack to disable the power button with the keyboard is extended?
Thanks
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Happens to a lot of people. Don't know how you search but:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=535229
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=520834

same here

me too
Add me to the list.
Which makes me wonder, why didn't they place the power on the top right?

Well at least I know I'm not the only one. Still hoping someone smarter than I will find a way to disable it with keyboard extended
@vdKarel I would have found those post had I spelt button with two t's (#)

I wasnt having that problem until today actually. lol. funny you bring it up. After discovering this, i did find it a little inconvenient where the power button is placed

happens some times. probably the power button would be better in an other place

I do it all the time as well

I use it a lot (pages and pages of word documents written on it in the train) and it doesn't happen...
When I hold mine with keyboard extended, my left index (which is the one which could hit the power button) is folded, so it hits the left side of the keyboard "block" (no power button here) then goes under the screen "block" and holds the back of the keyboard "block", it doesn't press the left side of the screen "block" (which has the power button).
Do you guys have your left index extended for it to be along the left of both the keyboard "block" and the screen "block" ? I don't see how else you could be hitting the power button...
PS : On my TyTN, this allowed me to turn the PPC on and off with the left index tip with the keyboard out, this avoided waiting for the screen to rotate when I knew I'd wand it in landscape when I trun back on.

This only happens to me after ALMOST completing a 900 word e-mail . . .

You're not alone, and there are fixes for this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=553784
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=563592

For the Tilt 2, this doesn't happen. I don't know if it's because of WM 6.5 or something AT&T implemented or what, but the power button has no effect when the keyboard is out. I actually want to find a way to enable that because at times I want to put it in sleep mode while open.

Why do you have your fingers extended?? I never have this problem in my TP2!

ai6908 said:
Why do you have your fingers extended?? I never have this problem in my TP2!
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um.. to hold it securely?

ummm, not to sound like a smart a$$ but this has been covered n many threads previously...i believe that if u search for "disable power button" ull find ur answer...its a simple .cab installation that disables the power button when the keyboard is extended...hope that helps and good luck

Double tap screen to wake device up?

Would it be possible to configure our Rhodiums to wake from sleep mode upon a quick double tap on the screen? If possible it could be set that only a double tap (one tap followed by another no longer than half a second later for example) would wake the device to ensure accidental knocks in our pocket wouldn't wake it.
Any ideas?
Thanks

anyone any ideas?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this isn't possible without seriously jeapordizing battery life, so it wouldn't be something plausible.
Consider that what you're asking means your device will always have to monitor the screen and thus never enter standby mode.
Perhaps you should look into applying the registry fix that will wake your device on any key press (not just the power button). Maybe that will work for you as well, while still letting your device go into standby.

What is wrong with the built-in power button again?

I would like that also (different button to turn on). With the diamond the centre round button would be a better button to turn on the pda than the current power button (which is a little too far recessed for my liking) The centre button is larger but recessed also which would stop accidently turning in on in your pocket.

Link to previous thread regarding pressing any key to wake...

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say this isn't possible without seriously jeapordizing battery life, so it wouldn't be something plausible.
Consider that what you're asking means your device will always have to monitor the screen and thus never enter standby mode.
Perhaps you should look into applying the registry fix that will wake your device on any key press (not just the power button). Maybe that will work for you as well, while still letting your device go into standby.
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yeah thats a fair point, ddn't think too much about the implications of it having to perhaps always be awake!
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What is wrong with the built-in power button again?
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Nothing wrong with the power button, just thought itd be a cool feature to be able to do that, but ill stick with whats best!

I think HTC's placement of the power button is perfect. I've been using smartphones and PDAs for a while and that's just the natural spot I EXPECT a power button to be. In fact with my breif stay with a Blackjack II I kept hitting the power button to dim the screen, which on that phone would actually turn it off, like off off.
And as stated above, when your phone goes into standby, the screen turns off, it can't detect anything. In order to keep the sensor on, you would be draining power when your phone really shouldn't.
I'll throw my coin in the hat of "silly idea"

My first Tilt 2, which had a dud microphone, the power button was fine.. It was recessed but easily pressed. My current Tilt 2 I have to press holding the phone longwise.. if I'm holding the phone on the sides I can't press the power button... I'm thinking the screen moves slightly more or the button is more recessed. It's kind of annoying.
Personally I'd also like not have to use the power button all the time myself, although I wouldn't want to tap to do it.. One of the four hardware buttons would be just fine.
Yes, I know sliding and removing the stlyus turn it on too, neither thing I do often.

Swap Power and End buttons

On the latest CAB I downloaded the End button locks the screen and the power button minimizes all the programs. Is there any way to make the Power button lock the screen and the end button minimize all the programs, like it is in Win Mo? I got a T mobile TP2

The problem is that you would end calls with the lock button as well.

I see. There isn't some way they could code around this? That's weird that it's like that.

This note is from the WIKI.
Note: It's until now impossible to split 'End Call' and 'Power' function in the code, so this last function can't be linked to Power button without it being 'End Call' too. Thus for the ease of ending a call, this function is placed on the normal EndCall-button and Power button is 'Home'.

honestly I would find it easier to end calls with the power button anyway. So this seems like a perfectly good compromise to me.

I agree. I'd rather have the power button turn the backlight off than the end button. That's the most important. They should make an option or something where people can choose their preference.

i was coming to look for this. i dont mind having to end calls with the power button right now. ill be using standby and home more so id rather those be more natural.

j.action said:
honestly I would find it easier to end calls with the power button anyway. So this seems like a perfectly good compromise to me.
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WHAAA???
You guys like ending a phone call using the power button??? Since when has that EVER been natural? (Other than on an Android device, where the power and the end call are the same button...) Ive had 5-6 HTC devices, don't think I ever recall thinking, "we should be using the power button to end a call.". On some HTC devices the power button isn't even very easy to access. Changing end call to the power button would be a disaster.
LOL

Reefermattness said:
WHAAA???
You guys like ending a phone call using the power button??? Since when has that EVER been natural? (Other than on an Android device, where the power and the end call are the same button...) Ive had 5-6 HTC devices, don't think I ever recall thinking, "we should be using the power button to end a call.". On some HTC devices the power button isn't even very easy to access. Changing end call to the power button would be a disaster.
LOL
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for you. obviously we want it though. i would like the end call button to be on the end call button but i want sleep on the top and home key down below more.
having it end call when youre on a call and a home key button the rest of the time would be more ideal. i kinda wish this was the hd2 because the buttons on that would be make sense in android.

Reefermattness said:
WHAAA???
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Can't stop the revolution!
Back in WinMo whenever I end a call I hit the big red button on the screen, then hit the power button to put it to sleep so I can put it in my pocket. Needless to say, being able to just double-tap the power button to accomplish the same thing would be great. The front buttons on the TP2 are so dainty it's annoying to press them honestly.
It's such a trivial thing, but I guess everyone's got their own reasons for wanting it. It would be nice to know how to swap the button assignments for myself even if it's not baked into the Rhodium builds directly.

I hit the 'power button' to turn off the screen more often than I hit the end button to 'end calls'. I rarely call. I'm a texter. Power button doing what it should > end button doing what it should.

andershizzle said:
I hit the 'power button' to turn off the screen more often than I hit the end button to 'end calls'. I rarely call. I'm a texter. Power button doing what it should > end button doing what it should.
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thats my thoughts exactly. i think even people who make calls turn the phone on and off using the power button more than the end key. i understand how one would like it the way it is, which is why a solution to change it for us would be nice.

I agree
j.action said:
Can't stop the revolution!
Back in WinMo whenever I end a call I hit the big red button on the screen, then hit the power button to put it to sleep so I can put it in my pocket. Needless to say, being able to just double-tap the power button to accomplish the same thing would be great. The front buttons on the TP2 are so dainty it's annoying to press them honestly.
It's such a trivial thing, but I guess everyone's got their own reasons for wanting it. It would be nice to know how to swap the button assignments for myself even if it's not baked into the Rhodium builds directly.
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I agree with you, whenever I try to press the EndCall button, I always fear of dropping the phone from my hand, Or if you hold the phone in your palm; you have twist your thumb all the way down, seems awkward.

I have a question ... wouldn't it be possible to reassign certain actions and not the default button functions to the hardware keys ?
On windows mobile, this seems to be possible with the rhodium keyboard controller ... it uses a modified driver to achieve that iirc ...
If someone could do that for android, we could assign "turn display off" to the power button, "home + end call" to the end key and so on ... or am I wrong ?

Sorry to double post/bump my question ...
But wouldn't it really be possible to just create a driver that is able to assign certain actions to the buttons instead of static button actions?
Or is this impossible under Android?

I would like to know about this me too...
i use the on screen button to end my calls and using the end key to turn backlight off its unnatural for me...
also it will be cool to have the screens template on end key button...

I actually agree with the idea of the power button ending a call - I hold my phone with my index finger on the top ( a habit I developed after having someone yank a phone away from me), so the power button would be very natural for hanging up as I remove the phone from my ear.
An option, or even info on the files to edit, would be awesome. Could it be as simple as a simple .conf file in the filesystem?

Reefermattness said:
WHAAA???
You guys like ending a phone call using the power button??? Since when has that EVER been natural? (Other than on an Android device, where the power and the end call are the same button...) Ive had 5-6 HTC devices, don't think I ever recall thinking, "we should be using the power button to end a call.". On some HTC devices the power button isn't even very easy to access. Changing end call to the power button would be a disaster.
LOL
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um... it has been (semi) standard on 'dumb phones' for years that the end call button is also the power button.
that being said, i think the best idea is to have some kind of option so people can choose what they prefer. i think you can get used to either way, but it can be really frustrating if you go back and forth between winmo and android to have them be different.

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um... it has been (semi) standard on 'dumb phones' for years that the end call button is also the power button.
that being said, i think the best idea is to have some kind of option so people can choose what they prefer. i think you can get used to either way, but it can be really frustrating if you go back and forth between winmo and android to have them be different.
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Yes, on "dumb" phones, and android handsets the power button and the end call button are linked to the same button. The difference is, THESE BUTTONS ARE NOT ON THE TOP OF THE HANDSET. They are on the face of the phone, NEXT TO THE CALL BUTTON.
Like i have said before, switching the end call button to the power button on the Rhodium would be chaos. For the mass majority of users, making the end call button NOT end the call, is ridiculous, and confusing. If you were to go out, and buy an Android handset, you would not even have a power button other than the end call button.
Yes, the only way everyone will be happy, is if you can choose how you want the buttons mapped.

i was thinking not all android devices link the end call and standby buttons together, the nexus one and desire and legend all have them on the top. then when i looked up pictures, they had gotten rid of the send and end call buttons so of course they moved the stand by to the top. i wonder if you press that during a call, would it hand up.