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android or iphone based rom for the vogue?

why doesn't anybody consider making a android based rom for the touch vogue? heck id even be up for a iphone cloned based rom, we need something different! the problem with most iphone themes are that they just mask windows, what we need is a true overall, complete system theme!
anybody up for the challenge?

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android is already out their through a linux boot loader Iphone I drought it our vouge's cant handle that

theoneownz said:
android is already out their through a linux boot loader Iphone I drought it our vouge's cant handle that
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yeah but why can't we just make a rom so we can run android natively? as far as the iphone, i mean our version of the iphone, not the actual apple software!

fixxxer2008 said:
yeah but why can't we just make a rom so we can run android natively? as far as the iphone, i mean our version of the iphone, not the actual apple software!
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If it's so easy, why don't you do it
It's very difficult to do... nobody has figured out how yet.

i just wish android would just be able to load from one file instead of multiple files on the sd's root

Android is linux...
jnrbshp said:
i just wish android would just be able to load from one file instead of multiple files on the sd's root
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Let Me start of By saying you have a great idea.. you probably know that android was developed by Google, Microsoft's current largest competitor. Las Week Google Announced That Th Chromium Project is working out so greatly that they plan on makeing a full on desktop replacement operating system based on the linux kernel. Currently The Only Other Operating System Google Has Made Is andriod, No let me explain why this is hard to set up on our phones. The Manufactuer Prudoced a ROM with a windows CE bootloader using thwe files NK.exe. for the boot process, for more info on this process google windows CE boot process. however the entire process is difrent in linux. In linux instead of having NK (CE loader) as part of the windows OS we have a seprate program called a bootloader, the two mos common ones are the LILO or LInux LOader and the GRUB or GRand Unified Boot loader niter of wich anyone knows how to get the HTC phone to recoginse without an external windows CE aplication. Running The Application Is The Abutal Process Of The Bootloader, The COnfigration file is simalar to the windows XP boot.ini. esentialy your copy of android is just another application.
To ths date no one has be able to figure out how to create a rom that can edit the factory bootloadre to male it use GRUB or LILO, however if you wanted to chose one or the other i'd develop it to run a mobile version of GRUB bcause then you can dual boot windows mobile as if you were on a PC .
hope this answered your questions as to why an android ROM isn't out there yet.
Honestly, if there was a version of android and chrome i would switch all my devices over to Google Linux right now, i'm tired of the microsoft way of computing, paying another $150 every two to five years.

in theory you can have both andriod and iphone
android is open source, you should be able to use it as a base foundation and skin it with an iphone interface

WinP7 Rom

im not sure i get whats going on with this new winp7 rom thats been posted.
has anyone run it on an emulator? if not how do you know its even real? and when you guys are talking about dumping it what exactly does that meen, sorry for nuub questions but im not that up on the dev scene

Well, it can't be run in the Emulator, as the Emulator uses x86 ROMs, while actual devices are based on the ARM architecture, so basically as of now no one can say for certain if it is real (although some things look promising).
As the ROM is intended for use on a not yet known device it also can't be flashed to a device anyone owns.
Dumping means that they are trying to extract the files which are contained in the ROM image, which is difficult as the format is different from WM6.5 and no documentation exists for it.
If they can extract the files they then could be repackaged to known formats which then could be flashed - nobody knows if that will boot on any existing device though.

StevieBallz said:
Well, it can't be run in the Emulator, as the Emulator uses x86 ROMs, while actual devices are based on the ARM architecture, so basically as of now no one can say for certain if it is real (although some things look promising).
As the ROM is intended for use on a not yet known device it also can't be flashed to a device anyone owns.
Dumping means that they are trying to extract the files which are contained in the ROM image, which is difficult as the format is different from WM6.5 and no documentation exists for it.
If they can extract the files they then could be repackaged to known formats which then could be flashed - nobody knows if that will boot on any existing device though.
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ahh ryt. i get the emulator part, i actually have the visual studio 2k10 for win phone so i understand that there is a difference between computer based roms and mobile roms. but i thought maybe there was a tool out ther that could use mobile roms, lik a virtual box for phones, i know that people know the hardware specs for win phone 7.. 3 buttons, 1g processor, capacative touch screen etc etc so i thought maybe sumone had used it through a virtual phone

96edwy said:
... i know that people know the hardware specs for win phone 7.. 3 buttons, 1g processor, capacative touch screen etc etc so i thought maybe sumone had used it through a virtual phone
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No, we've been told the minimum specs by MS.
Casey

Perhaps the old Emulator from the WinCE6 SDK might be able to run it, as it had to support native ARM Code, it had to emulate the CPU architecture, but most likely features of newer ARM Cores are missing and WP7 seems to be using them.
But obviously (as seen from the emulator) there is a way to compile the System to the x86 architecture, so maybe Intel gets around to include a decent graphices core and we might see some ULV Atom powered WP7 phones - or not ;-)

[Q] Windows Phone 7 Port? :(

Isn't it possible with the Desire HD's specs to make a Windows 7 port? It's more than capable. But I've heard of issues with drivers but it was still ported to HD2? And before anyone asks why would I make my phone "worse" or whatever, I'd like to give it a go, it looks really nice
Also before anyone asks why don't I buy/why didn't I buy a Windows Phone, I'm 14, my parents wouldn't be too keen on buying me another phone.
EDIT: In the poll it should actually say: "Windows Phone 7 SHOULD be ported to the Desire HD, and you want it to happen."

Id love to see this happen. It's not impossible to achieve, but is very very complex, especially regarding drivers etc. I don't think we will see this any time soon.

lewispb said:
Id love to see this happen. It's not impossible to achieve, but is very very complex, especially regarding drivers etc. I don't think we will see this any time soon.
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How long did it take to port to the HD2?

I'd also love to see it happen. Maybe WP7 is worse than Android, but we can't be sure without us trying it out first. Also take in consideration that WP7 has been just released, maybe it's been out in the US for a longer time. But here in the Netherlands it doesn't even have a Dutch version nor a Market released.
Anyway, it's hard indeed, but not impossible. Especially not considering that the DHD is cracked open to the bone. I'm not expert but that would mean that it is possible in theory that the pro's can make it if they want.
I'm up for trying it, I love the style of WP7. Maybe not everything is as good as Android, but the same can be said for iOS vs Android. Everything has it's charms, WP7 has a great interface in my opinion. Android has a great mod-ability, making it possible for devs to make Android great, but the stock Android ain't nothing special. iOS has a great app-store, which makes it powerful, but other than that iOS has nothing special to offer us in comparisson to Android.

guys its got nothing to do with drivers ffs.. we have a lunux based device with a lunux based bootloader and a linux fs on the nand.. the hd2 has a windows based bootloader and a nand chip with a windows file system.... windows only does fat and ntfs, our nand uses the linux based ext file system...

AndroHero said:
guys its got nothing to do with drivers ffs.. we have a lunux based device with a lunux based bootloader and a linux fs on the nand.. the hd2 has a windows based bootloader and a nand chip with a windows file system.... windows only does fat and ntfs, our nand uses the linux based ext file system...
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Couldn't you install a Windows based bootloader then?

kamranh3 said:
Couldn't you install a Windows based bootloader then?
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you could in theory yes, but what you propose is illegal (windows is closed source) and if all your after is the look and feel of WP7 try designing a theme and then i'm sure you could corrupt some systems files to reduce the stability of android

Hypothetically
I'm just wondering, - hypothetically of course - how would you go about changing the bootader to a windows based bootloader?

kamranh3 said:
I'm just wondering, - hypothetically of course - how would you go about changing the bootader to a windows based bootloader?
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I suspect, hypothetically or not, that there would be a lot of work involved in someone producing a windows Bootloader to flash instead of our normal android one, I don't see any devs putting in the work for free to allow installation of a pirated OS, you want WP7 buy a WP7 phone

AndroHero said:
guys its got nothing to do with drivers ffs.. we have a lunux based device with a lunux based bootloader and a linux fs on the nand.. the hd2 has a windows based bootloader and a nand chip with a windows file system.... windows only does fat and ntfs, our nand uses the linux based ext file system...
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wait so then how does the HD2 do it? cause it is/was running windows 6.5 and now it has got WP7 (pirated) or android or both dual booting.

[Q] Android 4.4 kitkat on Galaxy w?

Google says android 4.4 kitkat is available for everyone. So is it means we can flash it directly to our galaxy w?
Now our smartphones become a mini computers.
in dekstop computers we can install a new os(linux or windows) directly. The OS recognize the drivers then install them directly or from the web. Maybe some of hardwares drivers cant find but its very rare issue.
So why android doesnt like this. Thats everybody install new version of android and its install the phones drivers directly or from the internet.
The smartphones hardware manufacturers less than dekstop computers hardware manufacturers but dekstop computers OS can do it well and avaliable for every kind of computer.
Why Android OS install like dekstop computers OS.

pharatlil said:
Google says android 4.4 kitkat is available for everyone. So is it means we can flash it directly to our galaxy w?
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No, it needs to be ported.
pharatlil said:
in dekstop computers we can install a new os(linux or windows) directly. The OS recognize the drivers then install them directly or from the web. Maybe some of hardwares drivers cant find but its very rare issue.
So why android doesnt like this. Thats everybody install new version of android and its install the phones drivers directly or from the internet.
The smartphones hardware manufacturers less than dekstop computers hardware manufacturers but dekstop computers OS can do it well and avaliable for every kind of computer.
Why Android OS install like dekstop computers OS.
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This is just partially true. Windows and Linux for desktop PCs already come with most of the drivers directly on the CD or DVD or at least with hardware IDs for the drivers they can download and install via internet.
Your ROM simply isn´t about the same size like a Linux or Windows DVD It also doesn´t have a 100GB HD, a DVD drive and at least 4GB RAM installed.
So if you want an Android that is about as easy to install on all devices, you would have to make it about that big in size like a Linux or a Windows installation DVD which most of the devices couldn´t handle.
That´s why it needs to be ported with just the drivers for your specific device. And this is also the advantage to keep it as small and slick as possible.

Most of linux os about 1gb.
Windows is about 1-2 gn. Not about 100gb.
İ ha ve a galaxy s3 and stock rom about 900mb.
İf google want to give latest firmwares every device They can make a pc program and it finds devices specs automatically.
Samsung, htc, lg...etc.. maybe dont want to give newest firmwares to older devices for selling new devices.
But why google dont make roms for every device. Android is a linux based os and linuxs difference is its avaliable for everyone. So i think googles s strategy about android isnt true. İt must be same way with linux.

pharatlil said:
Most of linux os about 1gb.
Windows is about 1-2 gn. Not about 100gb.
İ ha ve a galaxy s3 and stock rom about 900mb.
İf google want to give latest firmwares every device They can make a pc program and it finds devices specs automatically.
Samsung, htc, lg...etc.. maybe dont want to give newest firmwares to older devices for selling new devices.
But why google dont make roms for every device. Android is a linux based os and linuxs difference is its avaliable for everyone. So i think googles s strategy about android isnt true. İt must be same way with linux.
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A totally fresh installed Windows 7 already is taking about 4GB on your HD and needs a way bigger partition to get installed at all.
Android is not a linux based rom. It´s a Java based ROM. Only the kernel is linux and this needs to be compiled first and match your hardware to make it able for the rom to work at.
Google only offers the basic code for a ROM but the rest must be added by the manufacturers. Beside this linux also wasn´t that userfriendly like it is now. The very first releases even didn´t use an UI. All had to be done on command line. Was meant to be used on servers but not for end users and though it was open source it took about 20 years from this stage to become an userfirendly OS for endusers like Windows.
So this is like comparing apples with pears. Best you ask Google and see what they will answer you.

İm disagree with you. or i couldnt explain well.
There in not more hardware manufacterers than PCs. But dekstop computers OS can handle it. For example i have got a hp compaq nx8220 notebook. its very old pc but i intalled windows 8 and its running very well. There is no drivers for windows 8 but windows have a feature for it. İ install many drivers in compatibility mode. ( Yes HP didnt publish a driver for it but windows's this compatibility feature solve the problem.)
Im not a developer but i know programming dialectic (i wrote programs in q basic and gw basic but i stay away from programming because of my job.) im interested about java and c++ and im learning. im seeing that developers main problem to porting Android to a device is hardware drivers. İf manufacterer give codes they port it easier.
İ want to say my hp compaq nx8220 is very old device but its runs with windows 8 very stable.
But my old phone and and my wifes phone galaxy w isnt a old device but they r saying your device cant runs properly with android's newest OS. It has 512 mb ram and 1,4ghz processor.??? (my notebook worst but runs w8)
Maybe one day some developers agree with my opinion and work with hardware drivers than making alot of custom roms. So maybe one day we enter a web page (for example cyanogenmod web page)and flash newest rom like installing a newest OS to a PC.

You may agree or disagree. No problem with that. It´s just you are comparing apples with pears. An Android Phone isn´t the same like a PC. Doesn´t have a HD or something equial to this in its capacity and so on. Neither Android, Firefox OS or Ubuntu Touch do have such an installer included that will install the Operating System on all devices. They all need to be ported. The same even for Windows Phone. So rather than arguing with me, go out and ask all the big players like Google, Ubuntu, Firefox or Microsoft why this isn´t the same like fo a PC.

[Question]Is it possible to install windows 10 on mi6?

Since windows can already run on snapdragon 835,i want to try it out on my mi6.
Is it possible and if so how to do it?

xpirad said:
Since windows can already run on snapdragon 835,i want to try it out on my mi6.
Is it possible and if so how to do it?
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We need to have bios for our devices to boot it directly and since we don't have one, our best choice is to wait for a project on xda (I don't remember the name well but I'm pretty sure you can find easily if you search for it) that ports bios for android devices.
But to be honest even if you can run windows on mi 6 there are 2 bad news for you:
1) The vast majority of windows applications are written for x86 architecture and we have arm architecture, so to run them you should emulate either os or run the app in an emulated sandbox - so no good performance.
2) As I said in 1st one, emulation is a must (if you aren't planning to compile all those apps for arm architecture). Also windows 10's capability of running x86 apps on arm is based on that very emulation method, it runs them on a WoW (Windows on Windows) so there's clearly a hit on performance.
I suggest you to not to expect to have a decent windows system running on your arm device but if you need/want to run more basic windows apps, you can try Limbo PC Emulator. That way you can run some older or stripped down versions of windows with no heavy performance loss. For most of the basic things I find MicroXP project enough but don't expect to be able to run Photoshop on that I hope this answers your question.

I see, thank you ccelik97 for your clear answer.