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threaded SMS: Palm app vs. PocketCM

Threaded SMS is great. I've been using the Palm threaded SMS app for months and would never dream of going back to non-threaded SMS. However, the other day I installed PocketCM contact manager and have been playing with it. It includes a threaded SMS feature, and I like it. I'm thinking about abandoning the palm app. However, there's positives and negatives of both.
This is a poll, so if you have experience with them both, please pick which SMS option you prefer. I also have a specific question which I'll ask at the end of this post, after talking about each of the threaded options I've mentioned here.
Palm Threaded SMS app:
Here's one of a few good threads on it.
Positives:
1. Works well and does everything you'd want it to do, including MMS
2. Backing up of your SMS messages is simple. Just backup the PalmMsgV001 file under the windows directory; it contains all messages.
Negatives:
1. Text input methods other than a hardware keyboard cover up what you're writing, so you have to write blind if you use the onscreen keyboard, transcriber, etc.
2. Some people claim problems with multiple messages being sent, but it seems that this is fixable by not closing the app just after sending a message (just minimize it.)
3. On one ROM I had a problem with missing messages sometimes, but this was fixed by always keeping the app running.
PocketCM:
This is the maker's website for this app, and here is a thread with a screenshot of the threaded sms using PocketCM (it's the one 3 over and 2 down with the yellow and blue text bubbles.)
This app does not replace the main SMS app. It works separately and functions mainly as a display for the SMS and allows you to compose new ones, also. The actual messages are stored in the same fashion and place as they are before this app is installed, and the original SMS app is still present and useable.
Positives:
1. It's a free bonus if you love the app for the main contact managing feature, and plan on keeping it around regardless of it's sms uses.
2. It works.
3. On-screen text entry methods do not cover up what you're trying to write.
Negatives:
1. I don't think it does MMS
2. It doesn't seem to play well with the Palm threaded app. I have the palm app installed on my hermes and with PocketCM running, if I compose a message in PocketCM and send it, it'll show up under pocketCM, but the palm app doesn't pick up on it. So Palm doesn't show it. Then when I get a response, PocketCM gets the new message notification and does it's thing, bringing that contact to the top of the contact list and displaying a message, but the palm app intercepts the actual message, so there's nothing displayed in PocketCM and it takes a soft reset to make it realize that there's not a new message waiting for you to read it (after you read it with the palm app.)
My question:
If I abandon the palm app and opt for using PocketCM, how can I back up my messages other than with some program like Jeyo mobile extender? In other words, where are the messages actually stored? It irks me to no end to have to use a whole separate program to back up SMS messages, when it's so easy to do with the palm app. I want to be able to simply manually copy a file to my storage card periodically, as I do with PalmMsgV001.

I use the built in deal and PocketCM. When I want to back up my SMS convos, I just use PIM backup. Actually, I use PIM backup about once a month to make sure I have a working backup of all my info.

maxh said:
Negatives:
2. It doesn't seem to play well with the Palm threaded app. I have the palm app installed on my hermes and with PocketCM running, if I compose a message in PocketCM and send it, it'll show up under pocketCM, but the palm app doesn't pick up on it. So Palm doesn't show it. Then when I get a response, PocketCM gets the new message notification and does it's thing, bringing that contact to the top of the contact list and displaying a message, but the palm app intercepts the actual message, so there's nothing displayed in PocketCM and it takes a soft reset to make it realize that there's not a new message waiting for you to read it (after you read it with the palm app.)
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If you're trying to decide between the two, and you settle on pocketcm, there's no need to keep the palm app installed, so the #2 negative point won't really matter.

w/o MMS !!!!
how can we compare if the MMS doesn't included!!

another sms threader
http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/SMS/SMS-Threader-22509.shtml
Looks promising!

True. I was hoping to keep the palm app installed, though, and have them work well together so that I'd still have all my messages stored in the one PalmMsgV001 file and I'd be able to use either.
Joecd04475 said:
If you're trying to decide between the two, and you settle on pocketcm, there's no need to keep the palm app installed, so the #2 negative point won't really matter.
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I don't think Jeyo Mobile Extender works with the Palm app either, does it? (unless support was added in a more recent version)
The Palm app is the odd one out in that it doesn't use the standard SMS messaging file.

pocket cm is great but with latest relese has isues with the sms so it will hav to be palm for now

I'm using the palm right now. I just wish it looked cool like the iPhone...hah. The PocketCM one looks better, but I don't like the way you have to get to it...

I am shocked with pocket cm choices
Tried all sms app
Palm sms
Pocket cm
O2 sms plus
Txt man
SMS threader
I am sms freak, i have been trying all sort of sms programs.
Palm messaging ,nothing beats palm sms, for pure stability. its very simple and it does do what its suppose to do, and very user friendly. there is a wm6 version.
Pocket cm, i dont know why has this developer made this under developed sms feature in a difficult to use contact manager anyway, it very cool looking contact app, but tell me honestly, how many of u can really scroll to the right contact easily, compared to a dial pad input, hahaha. plus it doesnt even show the sms popup properly, i got fed up of it, it doesnt even have any option to customize.
Txt man, is very simple, but then it doesnt replace ur original sms app.hasnt been able to beat palm sms. the fonts are too big. but its still better then Pocket cm.
SMS threader, this could have given competition to palm version, but it some times gives error, to quit app(only sometimes). it has an email mesg function.
O2 sms plus, If we get the wm6 version things can change dramatically for all the sms app, this has the gr8 feature of scheduling an sms, and the receiving and sending vcard, which is not present in any sms app till now, we dont even have a vcard app for wm6. the wm5 version does install and run, but it doesnt thread,it can however receive vcard and send one too, it conflicts with palm mesg, and wont display ur incoming sms at all. it gives u an option to close the running inbox i.e inbuilt one. but still there is no guarantee that it will work everytime.
I hope some talented genius will extract a wm6 version of o2 smsplus from new xdas and let us test it out.
Result, palm mesg is the best for now
Thanks for reading, hope it help

It's not really fair to compare at this stage. I personally use PocketCM as it works very well for contacts and SMS and it can be customised and skinned quite extensively. However you have to remember that this is STILL a beta application and is improving all of the time through suggestions from users.

I'm currently using PocketCM.

I like Pocketcm for now, but would love palm threader if the virtual keyboard wouldn't cover wut you are typing.

pocketcm is a good program. Just tried it and I love it.

LuXx said:
http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/SMS/SMS-Threader-22509.shtml
Looks promising!
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I used this program for a while, until I came across the Palm SMS Threader. i had to stop using it because the app started to really lag if a long chat log was kept on my phone. Load time got longer and longer and the app would miss letters that I typed about the same time.

I like Pocket CM's interface, but would rather have it disable sms's in outlook. The Palm SMS Threader is awesome, but for some reason messages get stuck in the outbox and keep sending. I had to uninstall it because people were complaining too much... has that happend to anyone?

For me, PocketCM for sure.
I like the contact manager interface (very very cool) and it access sms data from same location, no need to worry abt converting again and again sms backup or lose them if u are not going to use it in the future.

am i on crack for not using pocketcm? it sucks for text messages..palm threader sms beats it in every category..and arent we in a hermes forum? why would u be using a virtual keyboard anyways?? and with pocketcm i cant even send a MMS which I do *alot*...heh

ddotderek said:
am i on crack for not using pocketcm? it sucks for text messages..palm threader sms beats it in every category..and arent we in a hermes forum? why would u be using a virtual keyboard anyways?? and with pocketcm i cant even send a MMS which I do *alot*...heh
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The reality is if we could not use both PocketCM and Palm thread app. on the same PPC phone, I would select PocketCM, since it 's contact manager interface. Very convenient when u wanna call someone , need not to use stylus anymore. (so the thread sms function is a bonus)

Hm.. I installed the Palm SMS threader, and it works great, but now I don't get any sound when I get a new text message.. ?

[APP] Cherry-SMS Client

Hi
I've coded a small application to send SMS over Cherry-SMS (a Internet SMS-Provider).
I don't know if anyone needs something like that, but well here it is.
If wanted I add more service providers to it. But I rather want to add it's functionality to Slide2SMS (with more service providers).
Features:
choose the Contact from the phone's contactlist
check the credits of your account
sent messages will be saved to the SMS Sent Box (Pocket Outlook)
If you like what you see:

is it possible to use this app with other sip providers? i want to use my betamax (voipbuster.com) account to easily send sms with my wm6 phone...
would be very nice!
greets

wow somebody who is actually interested in something like that...
well in the current state it's not possible to do so, but when I have time again I'll look at it. (needs some rewriting)
Is there any voipbuster account which has a specific amount of free sms to test my program with?

thanks for your answer, but i've found an app that fits my needs. (VoipSMS 3)

hi, i wanted to say thanks for your app. Its a great app

wonderfull ;-)
Thank you very much!
Exactly that what i have searched for!
The Tread and the app seems to be quiet old... but it works wonderfull on my HD2 ;-)

[Q] Contact Groups

Does anyone know if there's a way to create contact groups for quickly texting or emailing a group of people?

greener88 said:
Does anyone know if there's a way to create contact groups for quickly texting or emailing a group of people?
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+1.................

i wish they did integrate categories (which outlook desktop offers). but anyways, the best work around i've seen is to create a text message (which is what i'm assuming you want this for) and add all the people you want to that message. then when you send it, and view the sms inbox, you can see the text you sent and it will say "x recipients". you can then reuse the list by clicking on it and writing a new message that way.
not the best approach, but it's works for the time being.

have you checked the marketplace?
I have seen sms apps in there like one called group sms or something to that effect.

[Q] What app would you like developed?

I'm a developer and I want to develop my first official market app. I've developed a couple of applications but just for personal use and experience. I have gathered a group of very talented developers and we are onto something big.
What would be an app that you would like to see developed? The app (or apps) with the most popular demand will get started on immediately.
We've been considering a couple of ideas. Anyone down for Airplay for android? tun tun tuuuuun..or maybe not. Maybe a crazy cross platform game?
We are open to suggestions.
Thanks

oblivior72 said:
I'm a developer and I want to develop my first official market app. I've developed a couple of applications but just for personal use and experience. I have gathered a group of very talented developers and we are onto something big.
What would be an app that you would like to see developed? The app (or apps) with the most popular demand will get started on immediately.
We've been considering a couple of ideas. Anyone down for Airplay for android? tun tun tuuuuun..or maybe not. Maybe a crazy cross platform game?
We are open to suggestions.
Thanks
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This is an easy one
Develop and apk that fully integrates your Contacts with your Calendar. So if I want to schedule an appointment with John I just go to is contact record and select "make appointment". It then creates a link between John and the Calendar for that appointment. So if you are looking at the appointment you can easily call John, navigate to using address or add notes to his record.
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Thats not a bad idea. I understand where you are coming from. It would actually come in handy. It would have to be an extension to the original android operating system. Unless I were to make an entire new contact app that would integrate these features easily.
Towards the end you say "..looking at the appointment you can easily..."
do you want to be able to just click his address from the calendar and open up navigator?

I'm too lazy to pick up the books and relearn what all I need to know, but, I've had this idea tossing around in my head for awhile.
Make an app to basically create a data set and determine your battery estimated maH, and if you need to recallibrate it. Once you have all that data, there are tons of things you can do with it as well, its just a matter of making the program light weight enough to run in the background so it doesn't re-do calculations and eat up juice.

Laurentius 26 Roms
bstok001

An actual tv remote

animal7296 said:
An actual tv remote
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Considering most TVs use IR, and the evo lacks an IR port, there is quite a substantial hardware limitation.

How about a torrent app? Utorrent?

here you go look read this one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
you make this app AND ILL SCRATCH UR BUTT AND CALL U DADDY LOL
make a app that prints me real 100 dollar bills lol jk

oblivior72 said:
Thats not a bad idea. I understand where you are coming from. It would actually come in handy. It would have to be an extension to the original android operating system. Unless I were to make an entire new contact app that would integrate these features easily.
Towards the end you say "..looking at the appointment you can easily..."
do you want to be able to just click his address from the calendar and open up navigator?
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The concept is so that you can create an appointment for a contact in your calendar that is linked between the contact and the calendar.
For instance, when I make an appointment with Joe, Joe's information such as his phone number and address are instantly accessible from the calendar. That way if I need navigation to Joe's address I can access it directly from the appointment without having to manually type it into the calendar program.
These links could also easily allow me to say "show me all appointments for Joe". Or if I am on way to Joe's and running late I can call or text Joe from the appointment record instead of having to look it up.
The idea is to automate and reduce duplication of effort. Never type the same information twice - link to it instead. There is an app called "Contact Event" that comes close to doing this the but it doesn't actually create a link, it just pastes contact data automatically into the calendar record when creating it. The difference would be the link which would make it a relational database concept as opposed to just cut and paste.
When creating a new contact your app should also generate a Primary Key that uniquely identifies that contact. Then when you make an appointment for that contact, you simply drop their Primary Key into the appointment record, link the two tables and you are done.
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jhoffy22 said:
How about a torrent app? Utorrent?
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There's already torrent apps. AndTorrent and Swarm.
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animal7296 said:
An actual tv remote
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Phajen is absolutely correct, the problem comes with the hardware limitation. It's almost ipossible unless the tv itself is on wifi

krazydude4g said:
here you go look read this one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
you make this app AND ILL SCRATCH UR BUTT AND CALL U DADDY LOL
make a app that prints me real 100 dollar bills lol jk
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Trust me if I knew how to develop something like this I wouldnt be looking for ideas on forums.
What you CAN do is take one dollar bills remove the metallic ink they have on them if you put them to soak in sodium combined with carbon...ehhhh.....never mind.

mitchellvii said:
The concept is so that you can create an appointment for a contact in your calendar that is linked between the contact and the calendar.
For instance, when I make an appointment with Joe, Joe's information such as his phone number and address are instantly accessible from the calendar. That way if I need navigation to Joe's address I can access it directly from the appointment without having to manually type it into the calendar program.
These links could also easily allow me to say "show me all appointments for Joe". Or if I am on way to Joe's and running late I can call or text Joe from the appointment record instead of having to look it up.
The idea is to automate and reduce duplication of effort. Never type the same information twice - link to it instead. There is an app called "Contact Event" that comes close to doing this the but it doesn't actually create a link, it just pastes contact data automatically into the calendar record when creating it. The difference would be the link which would make it a relational database concept as opposed to just cut and paste.
When creating a new contact your app should also generate a Primary Key that uniquely identifies that contact. Then when you make an appointment for that contact, you simply drop their Primary Key into the appointment record, link the two tables and you are done.
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Interesting...I'm gonna check Contact and Event and see what it's like, I would just have to beef it up a little bit. I will get back to you one this but I like the idea.

An app that lets you add on to the existing code to your liking.
Or a series of apps, a basic twitter client, a home launcher, a clock widget. Something easy we could build on *from the phone* without the use of Eclipse. If that's at all possible.
We now have Stericson's Signapktic app that allows us to sign zips, apks, and jar file from our phone so we're slowly getting closer to something like that.
Stericson's apps are pretty awesome.

How about and app that lets you dynamically re-arrange your homescreens without havin to drag icons around?
You can do this in the MIUI Rom but I hate the apple-like interface so I dont use that rom.

I know u woild get rich off the apl alone lol
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in line call recording
please create an evo ap that will record calls without the speakerphone activated.

We need more feature rich sms app, stock sms app horrid

Is anyone else disatisified with the sms app on our wp7? There's no contact photo of who you're talking too, the conversation does indicate who said what, such as my name isnt on one side and the other persons isn't either, just the contact name in big ol huge font at the top. I wish a developer would create a more feature rich sms app that shows contact photo facebook and twitter status updates and more copy and paste access such as copy and pasting entire strings of conversation that include the date and time. and last but not least
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE improve the mms application, it is so lacking does not play video nor gifs and whenever a funny ha ha mms with music is recieved it plays the music file first then shows you the image, its just awful

The sms client is bad and halfway done (no video support). we know that already... Yes they need to fix this issue... its a pita yo communicate with no decent I'm and half an mms client.
But you could have searched and bumped one of the other ten threads.
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Gateau Noël said:
Is anyone else disatisified with the sms app on our wp7? There's no contact photo of who you're talking too, the conversation does indicate who said what, such as my name isnt on one side and the other persons isn't either, just the contact name in big ol huge font at the top. I wish a developer would create a more feature rich sms app that shows contact photo facebook and twitter status updates and more copy and paste access such as copy and pasting entire strings of conversation that include the date and time. and last but not least
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE improve the mms application, it is so lacking does not play video nor gifs and whenever a funny ha ha mms with music is recieved it plays the music file first then shows you the image, its just awful
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To the OP,be careful mate,M$ fan boys are watching you.your thread title might hurt their fragile heart.Then,they will start trolling and ask you do more researches before you buy a phone.
Anyway,i'm not a M$ fanboy,same here,wish they can add in more features to the stock sms app.
I wonder why there are homebrew sms apps for iOS such as bite sms&ireal sms,but why not this happen in WP7???weird....
cheers mate.just wait until fall,then your question might be answered or maybe...lets hope or just sell the device.

sylau90 said:
To the OP,be careful mate,M$ fan boys are watching you.your thread title might hurt their fragile heart.Then,they will start trolling and ask you do more researches before you buy a phone.
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sylau90 said:
I wonder why there are homebrew sms apps for iOS such as bite sms&ireal sms,but why not this happen in WP7???weird....
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I'd imagine because the API's are not yet available for Developers, like many others...

Gateau Noël said:
Is anyone else disatisified with the sms app on our wp7? There's no contact photo of who you're talking too, the conversation does indicate who said what, such as my name isnt on one side and the other persons isn't either, just the contact name in big ol huge font at the top. I wish a developer would create a more feature rich sms app that shows contact photo facebook and twitter status updates and more copy and paste access such as copy and pasting entire strings of conversation that include the date and time. and last but not least
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE improve the mms application, it is so lacking does not play video nor gifs and whenever a funny ha ha mms with music is recieved it plays the music file first then shows you the image, its just awful
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I don't think there's anything inherently bad about the SMS app. I know who said what because there are only two people in the conversation, and I know what i've said Plus my texts are on the right and the others are on the left. Easy.
What you are listing aren't features, those are design considerations which don't suit your tastes. They suit mine. It's impossible to appease everyone.
BUT, this all boils down to the lack of APIs. If we had these APIs, someone would make an SMS client that you do like. If Microsoft keep going this way, they are going to realise that people won't sit around and wait forever for Microsoft to update. It is much easier to let the community do the work!
Now the MMS, from what I have read that does suck. I wouldn't know because I have an unbranded device and therefore am not allowed to enter my MMS settings...apparently.

i guess an improvement that can be made to the sms client would be to differentiate the sender and receiver by colours, as well as the left/right orientation.

Let me say this, I don't want to hurt or upset anyone's feelings on here, I'm pro Microsoft love all things from Redmond, I am a wp7 cheerleader!
I feel bad that I didn't look to see if any other threads had been started regarding the sams subject. My apologies.
I thank everyone for their opinions and input, it gives me a better understanding of why things are the way they are if that makes any sense.
With all the additional features coming to the mango update, I only hope that SMS client gets in on the juicy goodness
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The call history, dosent show call duration, which is my biggest disappointment after ****ty battery..

I like the simplicity of the SMS app, true it would be nice to add video, but its elegant.

just like he said

To the OP: ah, I see you've never used windows mobile. You don't know what a horrid anything is.
ROARRRR I want my phone to fly a plane and do somersaults!!!!

The Windows Mobile SMS client was threaded and similar to the Blackberry SMS client, which is not a bad thing. It also supports full SMS Backup and Restore via Microsoft MyPhone (including MMS, IIRC). It was decent on a well-spec'd QWERTY device or a decently modded capacitive touchscreen device with the right OEM modifications. It is more than usable on the HD2, but its hardware support does stifle the Snapdragon SoC and Camera (Which is capable of HD Recording, IIRC).
The only thing I feel bad about with so many other Windows Mobile device users is that they had such crappy devices (WM minimum specs were so low, that you ended up with OEMs putting up ridiculously bad devices devoid of RAM/Storage and processing post). That never helped it...
@ OP if you don't know who's saying what in an SMS conversation then I dunno what to say. The chat bubbles are descriptive enough to let you know where stuff is coming from quite obviously, and that bubble type is used in almost every type of smartphone.

MS can make any improvement they want. I am happy with what i am having right now... Since i don't text much and the only thing i need is something that i could send and receive messege. I bought the whole new phone not for texting only.

Correct, but a dumb phone is a whole phone and they're cheaper to buy and service than a smartphone...
The issue for some users is that there aren't many good IM apps (if any) on the platform at the moment so you're really relient on SMS and email for textual communications (SMS is superior to email due to the fact that it's pushed irregardless of what type of phone the person has - feature phone IM clients often use encoded MMS). So, it makes issues with that particular application a bit more apparent.
Not that I think they are issues. I think it's kind of hard to not know who's saying what in the SMS client because the chat bubbles are clearly pointing in the correct directions. However, the lack of Voice/Video MMS does leave a functional black hole that even SMS clients on the platform do not fill.
The SMS client has issues, but those issues have nothing to do with the chat bubbles.
P.S. Tons of people who buy smartphones actually use the data connection more than they use it as a phone.