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O2 XDAII ROM upgrade failed?

I have just downloaded the rom upgrade off the O2 website (ver 1.60.50) and installed. Initially it was trying to connect to the internet! Eventually I got it working, but after hard resetting the version still says 1.60.00wwe, Rom date 12/03/03, extRom ver 1.60.50 - all as before.
Does anyone know if the upgrade has actually worked but the info not been updated, or does this mean that the update hasn't worked and I must have had an error somewhere?
Any help, advise appreciated.

I thought these forums where to help each other out and provide information. It is disappointing that no one wants to help, or provide a little guidance.

I thought these forums where to help each other out and provide information. It is disappointing that no one wants to help, or provide a little guidance.

Absolutely nothing changed?
I thought it's not possible? Did you see a progress bar on XDA's display during the upgrade? if so, the memory has been accessed, so your rom is the new one, there is just a mess in identification. As far as I know, extROM changes the identity (it is it's main purpose), did you use it?

flintanis said:
I have just downloaded the rom upgrade off the O2 website (ver 1.60.50) and installed. Initially it was trying to connect to the internet! Eventually I got it working, but after hard resetting the version still says 1.60.00wwe, Rom date 12/03/03, extRom ver 1.60.50 - all as before.
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Maybe I'm wrong - but it seems that you are upgrading from 1.60.50 to 1.60.50. Right? As such, everything WOULD be the same!

I did see the progress bar, and the documentation before the upgrade on the O2 website sugests the Rom to be 1.60.00wwe and the extRom to be 1.60.50
I would have expected the actual Rom to now be 1.60.50wwe.
Has anyone else managed to upgrade to the official O2 ROM that is on their site and can confirm the ROM info? Also what apps etc would confirm that it has been upgraded if the info hasn't been updated but upgrade has work?
Many thanks for help and advice.

I'm not sure, but doesn't higher number mean later+better ROM?
If yes, have a look at 1.72 by T-mobile - there should not be many differences! :lol:

Since I have only just bought it I don't want to upgrade to an unofficial ROM in case it invalidates the Warranty should anything go wrong with it. May look at using a ROM from another supplier in a few months though.
Can anyone confirm if the ROM ver should be changed?
Thanks

flintanis said:
Since I have only just bought it I don't want to upgrade to an unofficial ROM in case it invalidates the Warranty should anything go wrong with it. May look at using a ROM from another supplier in a few months though.
Can anyone confirm if the ROM ver should be changed?
Thanks
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You need to give people time to reply mate - we don't LIVE on these forums you know.
Anyhow, to answer your posts, yes, you have worked it out, the O2 ROM update, which is described as 1.60.50, is actually just the extended ROM element.
The system ROM is still 1.60.00
This confused me, and no doubt, lots more people too, and it's a bit STUPID of O2 to describe it this way.
Thus, you have in effect flashed your XDA2 to the exact same ROM it had before hand.
Curses to O2 for the confusion. Not good of them!

Thanks, and sorry for being impatient
O2 need to sort this out as I have done a ROM upgrade that could have fried my machine if I did it wrong that was unneccessary.
Thanks again.

Well, O2 is not alone in this - the current i-mate ROM is listed as 172126. The ROM version is 1.72.00, but the Extended ROM is 1.72.126.
I think they do this for internal tracking purposes. They get the ROM from MS, but they tweak the ExtROM themselves. It is possible for them to release multiple ExtROM versions in the same ROM version, so THAT is what they specify.
Make sense? Just a stab in the dark as to the logic of the release numbers.

Cingular 8125 HELP!!!

Okay I need some major help. During an exhaustive search to find out why my Cingular 8125 does not have BT Stereo capabilities I found this forum. According to a couple of threads the v2.17 ROM Upgrade should fix this issue. Well I ran the upgrade and not only do I still not have the wireless stereo, but under my device information....my ROM version is showing 1.8.11.1 WWE....NOT 2.17. I dont know what to do......does anyone have any ideas? In addition I cannot find a thread that tells me how to unlock my SIM. My model number is WIZA100.

unlocking -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=33796&highlight=
BT stereo fix
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=48535&highlight=
As far as the ROM flashing goes - I had a similar problem where the OS ROM wasn't updating. Mine was from one summiter ROM version to another, but I found that flashing back to the original Cingular ROM (using summiter's stock 1.8 Cingular ROM) and then flashing with the 2.17 ROM worked.

Thanks CameronJ....so, did you run the add on seperate from the ROM upgrade in order to the A2DP working? According to summiter, the 2.17 upgrade was supposed to include the A2DP. Ah well....I will try the addon and see if that works for me. Thanks again.

I actually don't really care about A2DP - I don't use my phone for listening to music - so I can't help you with that question unfortunately.

Same issue
I have the same problem but doing as you said did not correct it. Any ideas what I might be doing wrong?
Joe

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darmiejm said:
I have the same problem but doing as you said did not correct it. Any ideas what I might be doing wrong?
Joe
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Your problem is with the OS upgrade not taking? Are you sure that you have unlocked your phone? What's your current OS version?

Should RADIO be bundled with XDA Live v0.30?

I think it is important that all people testing this rom have the best radio suited to it.
This would eliminate some of the connection issues people are clogging the forum with. Several reported user issues have been due to them using old RADIO versions that don't work well with WM6.
We need to bug fix the ROM, connection problems are more likely to be RADIO related than ROM related.
Kyphur has asked me to start a poll asking:
SHOULD THE BEST WORKING RADIO BE BUNDLED WITH THE NEXT XDA LIVE RELEASE? v0.30
What do you think?

Dumb question, but is there any "easy" way to downgrade the radio if the device needs to be sent in for warranty?

I still say no, thw whole point behind cooking ROMs is customisation, the only thing Kyphur will have to concentrate on is the OS making it better than if he had to work on radio aswell, also what happens to use people who have a new version of the radio (1.35.00.11 for example) do we have to downgrade?!
Any radio problems can be narrowed down to just the individual radio versions and not blamed on Kyphur aswell!?
I say we mix and match our OS/ExtROM/Radio etc... as we like and let Kyphur get on with developing this (already brilliant) ROM.

I think people should install the Radio ROM they prefer, not be forced into an update if it's not necessary.
Now, if we could just crack that ExtROM...

mrvanx said:
I still say no, thw whole point behind cooking ROMs is customisation, the only thing Kyphur will have to concentrate on is the OS making it better than if he had to work on radio aswell, also what happens to use people who have a new version of the radio (1.35.00.11 for example) do we have to downgrade?!
Any radio problems can be narrowed down to just the individual radio versions and not blamed on Kyphur aswell!?
I say we mix and match our OS/ExtROM/Radio etc... as we like and let Kyphur get on with developing this (already brilliant) ROM.
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Fair points!
How about just a RADIO recommendation from Kyphur then? You're right, lets not add extra workload, just make a suggestion as to which radio instead?
Users can then make their own minds up as you suggest.

Squuiid said:
Fair points!
How about just a RADIO recommendation from Kyphur then? You're right, lets not add extra workload, just make a suggestion as to which radio instead?
Users can then make their own minds up as you suggest.
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A radio recommendation would be a good idea, like at the moment I gather from numerous posts radio 1.27 and hihger would be the preferred to use.
(P.s: sorry I read my last post, looked kinda forcefull)

(not a noob but not an expert :s)
what is the best radio to use tho? hehe
if i go to the wiki page download the 1.35.00.11 Download note: GPS Enabled!
run it
(same installer as for the rom)
and i go for it?
will it change anything to the current config?
thx a Lot

Kartboy said:
(not a noob but not an expert :s)
what is the best radio to use tho? hehe
if i go to the wiki page download the 1.35.00.11 Download note: GPS Enabled!
run it
(same installer as for the rom)
and i go for it?
will it change anything to the current config?
thx a Lot
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Test a few and find which one works best for you... It's amazing how little people are willing to experiment.
(I guess I was asking a lot of questions regarding ROM building, but that's something that could seriously screw a phone if you're not careful and I can't afford another Hermes right now!)

mrvanx said:
A radio recommendation would be a good idea, like at the moment I gather from numerous posts radio 1.27 and hihger would be the preferred to use.
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I agree. Just recommend a min version and leave the ROM with OS only.
I can think of 2 more reasons for not bundling the radio, further to what has been said above:
1) you avoid making the upgrade process process longer and
2)if people have a preference for a particular radio (different than what is bundled), they would need to reflash their radio every time they upgrade the ROM from 0.3 to 0.4 and to 0.5, ...,etc.
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richy240 said:
Test a few and find which one works best for you... It's amazing how little people are willing to experiment.
(I guess I was asking a lot of questions regarding ROM building, but that's something that could seriously screw a phone if you're not careful and I can't afford another Hermes right now!)
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Why experiment when u got all this knowledge grouped in a forum,
not knowing if u might brick ur phone or not

IMHO radio should not be included with xda-live distribution. If flash fails while flashing OS or splash screens, nothing happens to the device, but if flash fails when flashing radio device is more dificult to unbrick.
I think the user should choose which radio he wants to have, and we do provide ways of upgrading only the radio.

An emphatic NO - don't include a radio.
1. One of the original ideas of this rom was to provide a stable OS with as few add-ons as possible.
2. This WIKI and forum encourages and helps us to learn about our phones, make informed judgements and customise to suit ourselves. OS, software, use, location etc are all user specific. What works for you doesn't work always for me.
3. There is already a suggestion of US and Rest of World roms to fix localised problems (PTT vs video). Does Kyphur then have to release these versions with & without his (our) chosen radio? Do each of these 4 roms also have to be released with & without Adobe? (now 8 roms)... etc, etc...
4. I travel all over the world with my job and I notice a good radio in UK doesn't work so well in China, Brazil, US etc. Which radio should I vote for? Or should we release the above rom versions with every available radio?
5. If we get Kyphur and the development team to embed a radio what's our next collective request?
6. Having everything done for me takes the fun out of having a Hermes - If I want to just wait for someone to solve my problem I might as well wait for Vodafone or HTC to release an update.
7. We already see loads of questions/complaints/comments about the few apps which are embedded in WMXL so the dev. team are now acting as tech support instead of developing more stuff for us to play with. If they get bored with this role they may stop - then who do we turn to for the next release of WMXL?
So, instead of including a radio I would prefer to see a WIKI which tells us how better to analyse the radio we have and maybe to compare the available radios for reception, data, country of use etc.
If Kyphur doesn't mind all the extra work and can release all the different versions then fine, but I'd rather let him work on a stable OS first.
Only my ideas, I'm sure others will disagree

Adding a Raido will add to the argument as to which is best? There are plenty of installs to do yourself. If you got the balls to do a ROM upgrade then download and install the Radio RUU of your choice before or after as you like.

I agree
Squuiid said:
Fair points!
How about just a RADIO recommendation from Kyphur then? You're right, lets not add extra workload, just make a suggestion as to which radio instead?
Users can then make their own minds up as you suggest.
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I agree, a list would be better, obviously if you are looking at GPS (here here)
you would need a different radio.
kudos to the gurus!

Because different Radio Roms work better in different regions of the world and even with different OS Roms.
That is a lesson learned the hard way from Wizard & AKU 3.x. Ironically T-Mobile NL 2.19 Radio never missed a call with AKU 3.x or WM6 but Cingular's 2.25 Radio was a dog in the Chicago area!
Personally, I would stay away from any of the Trinity GPS enabled Radio Roms (end in .x1) because they just add yet another element into the mix and the goal of this project is stable WM6 not GPS..
Kartboy said:
Why experiment when u got all this knowledge grouped in a forum,
not knowing if u might brick ur phone or not
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That will be BIG NO for me to include radio. As said in previous posts, there are various radios out there and depending on where you are will get different results. Recommending which radio worked well for you at your location with x version of ROM is the best thing in my mine.
I am currently using 1.27 and it seems to work well for me and I won't change until I see a reason to do so (e.g. feature, service, etc...). So I definitely would not want to be force into another radio (although I can just extract the OS and flash with TTY).

Kartboy said:
Why experiment when u got all this knowledge grouped in a forum,
not knowing if u might brick ur phone or not
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We will not post a Radio ROM that is untested; at least I hope no XDA member would. So unless you screw it up it wont brick your device.

a wiki page is a better idea
I think that a sub page of the wiki special for the radio rom is the best solution...
Everybody can add their experience with any version of the radio rom...
A fool proof installer sounds a very very good idea for me!!
Is it possible to return to your original radio rom (or dump it) Radio rom 1.13??

Why dont you have the option for 0.3 with and without the radio rom. Before I put 0.1 on my hermes, I had 1.34 for my radio rom. I am going to attempt to get gps working soon, so before I upgarded to 0.1, I flashed my radio.
I think a lot of people that are holding out for a later version of WXML may be in the same problem that I had, that is, not having the latest radio rom.

Radios? We don't need no stinking radios! Sorry I couldn't resist...
Seriously, pof and the rest are right. Radio selection is highly variable based on location and carrier. Let the end user decide. Having said that, knowing the radios and locations/carriers that the ROM was tested in could be useful information.
Ninja1

red button as well as "end" do not work after ROM update

Hi community - I updated to VP3G and now either the red button nor the end button finishes the call - this is bad - any idea what I can do ?

peter7 said:
Hi community - I updated to VP3G and now either the red button nor the end button finishes the call - this is bad - any idea what I can do ?
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Tough to answer with any certainty without knowing more details. Could be your radio - I had that same problem with some radios. Since going with this ROM I have not had the problem. Also what apps do you have loaded?
Mark.

peter, it is something you have done as no one else has had this issue.
What radio? What software have you installed? Using a different Dialer? Hard reset?
We need more information besides "it doesn't work".

And as long as we're giving advice, this forum prefers possible concerns or issues be posted in the already available thread.
For example; if you're having problems with Black Majik, no need to start another thread, just post in the already available thread.
Thanks
Berd

Yes first I thought it is the radio so I switched to Radio 1.43 but the problem is still there. Now I found out it is more the case when I`m connected via GPRS that the button as well as the "end" software button dòn`t work ...
Applications which I use - no extra phon software, but magic button or the as follows: sk software, skype, sprite backup, webis etc.

It's your hardware controller card, gone bad. After some time all of your front button will stop responding. I had the same problem, sent to Dopod service center and got it fixed.
Its not any of ROM issues what so ever. Its a common defect of some earlier batch, as told by the techies at the Service Center.

berdinkerdickle said:
And as long as we're giving advice, this forum prefers possible concerns or issues be posted in the already available thread.
For example; if you're having problems with Black Majik, no need to start another thread, just post in the already available thread.
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Heh, I made the same assertion once and was told on no uncertain terms that I was wrong.

It seems that it is not the hardware because it is wonderful working when I`m not online with GPRS or 3G !
So what elese can I do ? Should I try another ROM or can I just install an updated file for the GPRS issue ?
PLs help

please remember this is a Dev forum and I believe you answered your own question try flashing another ROM and see if that fixes it. I have no idea about updated GPRS software - you mean a radio ROM? just flash another OS and see if that works its not a problem with 3Gvp's rom but maybe you had a bad flash

vp3G said:
Heh, I made the same assertion once and was told on no uncertain terms that I was wrong.
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@berdinkerdickle: Yep, at the time I cited that stuff too... and was told by a certain mod that I was still wrong!

peter7 said:
It seems that it is not the hardware because it is wonderful working when I`m not online with GPRS or 3G !
So what elese can I do ? Should I try another ROM or can I just install an updated file for the GPRS issue ?
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Hmmm... that's an interesting twist on the problem I've never heard before. I would suggest a) hard reset b) reflash my ROM c) flash another ROM. I'd probably also go with a Cingular version of the radio for now ... 1.40 or 1.48.

VP - shouldn`t I start with a new radio rom version before I reinstall your ROM ??? At the moment I`m using the 1.43 version

Up to you, but I thought you said you'd already changed radios. I'd probably go for the hard reset and see if it works before installing anything else.

Hi VP, your advice worked - I changed to ROM 1.48 and now when I dial the online connection is stopped and reactivated after the phon call.
THANK you so much !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best regards
from Germany

Active Sync Error
VP - it´s again me - pls can you look at my problem: My Tytn is telling me -in the meantime several times a day -that I have to resynchronize and after I got the warning to resynchronize there comes the next warning that there is no IP number !

Do I need a new radio

I know nothing about radios. Could someone please explain to me what it means and what it does for you? I have T-Mobile and only get 2 to 0 3G bars at work. It is really interfering with my music streaming. Would love to get more bars. I have a stock ROM and am not interested in flashing a new ROM.
T-Mobile
HTC TP2
WM 6.1 Prof
Radio 3.5.25.14
Stock ROM

thebrenda said:
I know nothing about radios. Could someone please explain to me what it means and what it does for you? I have T-Mobile and only get 2 to 0 3G bars at work. It is really interfering with my music streaming. Would love to get more bars. I have a stock ROM and am not interested in flashing a new ROM.
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"Radio" in reference to "new radio" or "flashing a radio" refers to a radio rom -- it's a software thing. And it affects (at least) your cell connection as well as your GPS connection...and probably how well the radio uses power and affects battery life. And I'm very happy with the new radio I'm using -- better than the stock radio.
But in order to flash a new radio (radio-rom) you need to first do the HardSPL thing, which is also required before flashing an OS rom.
So, if you say you don't want to flash a new OS rom (to avoid voiding your warranty, for example), then you probably won't want to do the HardSPL either, because that's as major (from a non-stock standpoint) as flashing a rom.

If you read just a few threads above this one you´ll find some interesting answers:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=679322

I have done quite a bit of reading but it still is not clicking. I need a beginners article. I will find it, but have not yet.
So the Hard-SPL thing-a-ma-jiggy at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550131 - is that just for the radio or a ROM / radio. I do not mind flashing a radio, just do not want to flash a ROM because I don't have a need and do not want to spend the rest of my life on this new toy - i mean necessary piece of office equipment.
What radio would the Hard-SPL at that link give me? Is it true that software alone can increase the number of 3G bars?

thebrenda said:
So the Hard-SPL thing-a-ma-jiggy at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550131 - is that just for the radio or a ROM / radio. I do not mind flashing a radio, just do not want to flash a ROM because I don't have a need and do not want to spend the rest of my life on this new toy - i mean necessary piece of office equipment.
What radio would the Hard-SPL at that link give me? Is it true that software alone can increase the number of 3G bars?
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I don't know the technical explanation...but the HardSPL is necessary in order to flash any rom -- that means a new radio (rom) or a new custom OS rom. (By "OS--rom" I mean all of those custom roms listed in all those threads in the TP2 Windows Mobile ROM Development sub-forum) The phone won't accept the non-stock rom (including radio-rom) without the HardSPL.
The HardSPL doesn't change anything else, though. You still have the same radio and the same stock rom. But it's necessary to do that before you flash a non-stock radio-rom or a non-stock OS rom.
Radio-roms (software) can improve your reception...but which one will/may do that depends on where you're located and other factors, so you would probably want to try more than one -- but once you've done it you'll see it's easy. It's also possible that 3G coverage in your area is simply poor.
If you need/want more details about alternative radio-roms you probably should post in the Rhodium GSM Radio Collection thread.

MCbrian said:
I don't know the technical explanation...but the HardSPL is necessary in order to flash any rom -- that means a new radio (rom) or a new custom OS rom. (By "OS--rom" I mean all of those custom roms listed in all those threads in the TP2 Windows Mobile ROM Development sub-forum) The phone won't accept the non-stock rom (including radio-rom) without the HardSPL.
The HardSPL doesn't change anything else, though. You still have the same radio and the same stock rom. But it's necessary to do that before you flash a non-stock radio-rom or a non-stock OS rom.
Radio-roms (software) can improve your reception...but which one will/may do that depends on where you're located and other factors, so you would probably want to try more than one -- but once you've done it you'll see it's easy. It's also possible that 3G coverage in your area is simply poor.
If you need/want more details about alternative radio-roms you probably should post in the Rhodium GSM Radio Collection thread.
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Perfect answer, amigo!

Brenda, I saw that you were thinking about doing the tmo 6.5 upgrade anyway, which of course includes the .57 radio, and that's the path I would suggest...it'll let you try out wm6.5 as well as that radio, and flashing an official upgrade like that is even easier than doing the HSPL-custom rom thing. So, that way you can see if either of those changes are good for you, with minimum effort and hassle. If the .57 radio doesn't seem to offer any improvement, then you can start getting into flashing others to try...and if you do then I suggest you start with the one MCBrian has in his sig, .77

Thanks sirphunkee for all you rhelp. I will take your advice. I was going to upgrade to 6.5 right away but decided to load a ton of software on my phone first to see what I liked. Well .... I like it all. Now I have so much software that I do not want to take a weekend to reload everything. But I will have to bite the bullet. I sit in a cube all day and like to listen to streaming music. I have napster but I like the unpredictability and pleasant surprises that a streaming station can offer. The low bars are interfering with my music.
I have kept good notes on all my applications installs and have all the software and "fixes". Have screen prints of all my "setups" for email. I use activesync with my desktop Outlook so all of that is saved. Don't think that there is anything else to save. Just wonder if you have any advice before I upgrade. Is there anything I should do before wiping clean my device? Should I clean my program files, outlook attachments, etc on my storage card?