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Universal vs Blue Angel

Hello everyone,
I want to sell my BA for a Universal. Mainly, because it's the camera, and CPU speed are better.... and there's native WM5.0. But I'm confused if it's worth it at the moment since there hasn't been much experimenting with it, and many software are incompatible with WM5.
So, I need your advice. Anyone tried it? What do you recommend? Talk as much as you can
I'm going to buy it from i-mate. Is it the same color as that of O2? I love the black. Is the infrared any better from Blue Angel (wider range)? Camera quality? Any plugins for Pocket IE available? Bluetooth driver good? What abut stability and battery life?
Thanks a lot!
Rudez

Univerisal iself is a great device, software a bit uggy just now but a updated rom will fix all the bugs. Universal or Blue angel??? no thought needed..get the universal

I want the universal -.-

I played with a MDA Pro over the last week. There's a lot of cool features, but I'm sticking with my BA for now. It's a very nice gadget indeed, but WM5 has just way too many bugs for primetime.

Ever held a Universal? They are friggin huge! About 25mm taller and wider.
I think the BA form factor/construction is perfect, I just want one with EDGE or HSPDA and WM5 native and I'm content!

The Universal isn't that much larger. And it's surprisingly light. Felt lighter than my old SX-56.

hey man,
i suggest that u stick to your BA...
by far it has proved to be the boss of all PDAs...
the universal is nice and edgy... but for its price (here in UAE it costs 4,300.00 DHS ~ 1,178.00 $) its waaaaaay too much
ok it has a bigger screen, vga display and several other feats but at this price u can get urself a decent laptop which contains much more feats and much better...
i was seconds away from buying the universal but then, thanks to u guys, my BA became a super machine... and when i need bigger screen or better performance i have my laptop in the hood of the car
this is just my opinion.

Thanks a lot!
I'm sticking to my BA afterall

I upgraded my BA for a Universal two weeks ago and I absolutely love it. Sure, the BA is a bit more stable and there is a lot more software available for it, but in a few months time the Universal will be equally stable - think back to when the BA came out is was the buggiest piece of crap to date, but after updates and fixes from the mamaichs and buzzs of the world it became a great device. Maybe upgrade in a few months when the price will be lower and it is more stable.
Fin

I struggle to imagine anything less stable than the BA. Even after the patches, which do improve the reliability 90%, I would not rely on this phone for anything important.
What are the main problems with the Universal, and how often does it require a soft reset?

I switched to the Universal a week ago and I wouldn't go back.
So far, the only problems are occasional slow down (very occasional), less battery power (it runs down a lot faster) and the orkward place they put the mini usb port - it a git to dock and it make proper car kits a no-go.
I think I've reset it 3 times in the last week, and the blue angel was on 1 or more a day. Its much more stable, everything works (theres still the odd time when something just fails, but thats windows for you) and the keyboard is second only to the Psion 5.

Still Using Harrier/Blue Angel Because You Prefer It?

I'm testing the waters a bit to see what the HTC enthusiast community thinks of the Blue Angel and Harrier in comparison to HTC's current product line.
While the Wizard and TyTN are fine products, they clearly are not the Blue Angel's design. The display has been downsized to 2.8 inches, and the Omni's handheld use is significantly diminished.
So, please vote in the poll. We'll try to let decision makers at HTC know if you want the Blue Angel brought into the 3G era.

I think there should be a 3G Blue Angel but they should still be progress in the development of more devices similar to the Tytn as the Tytn is proving one of the most popular devices I have seen and I feel is opening up mobile computing to people who thought about getting a connected PPC but didn't like the bulk of the units which had the features to make them useful.

Personally I stick with my BA because of how large the screen is and IMO the only phone that is worth switching too is the TyTn.
I also like how much thinner it is than any of the current HTC phones with a keyboard.
Meh... just my $.02

for Me its the screen, could do without the keyboard as i never use it.

I was using a Blue Angel (Harrier) on the Verizon EVDO network. It is a terrific device. I can watch videos real time. The larger screen is also awesome and much easier on tired eyes.
I finally put my Blue Angel aside and have been using primarliy a Wizard.
Even with all the Tweaks and overclocking, the Wizard is relatively slow. However, the Wizard has been much more reliable and is a much better phone.
I'm just about ready to order a TyTN because it seems the bugs are getting worked out. I'd rather have a Blue Angle sized unit with all the new Windows Mobile Features.
It looks like all the future HTC phones are small screened. The HTC Herald looks like a verizon/sprint EVDO (possibly Rev.A) phone. Looks great but still no Blue Angel.
I'd like to have a TyTN type phone for everyday, and then an "Arch Angel" phone with a large screen to travel with. It should have a fast processor, accept Standard SD cards.

I think you almost need two devices depending what you are doing. A 3G Blue angel with the same screen or possibly a VGA one for some tasks and a Tytn for most of the time. I have a Tytn on order but I will still use my IIs a lot because of the screen.

I love my BA. I had executive, then, IIi(alpine)..now back to my BA
Its a complete device(for those who dont want GPS)

Ditto. Screen (so many new devices have such small screens). Keyboard. Large RAM memory (yes I know WM5, but persistant storage read/write is slower). Still the best device.
Although, there's always something missing (GPS/FM Radio/a huge internal memory/Some devices even have TV!/direct USB access without an adater/EDGE/3G/etc.).

Love the BA form factor
I've gone thorough half a dozen phones in the past couple months trying to find an ideal unit for me. Seems everyone these days want the cute little phones that you could swallow if you got it too close to your mouth. Whats the point ? If its just for making and receiving calls fine, but if it's meant provide visual display and input (emails and surfing) than why wouldn't you want it big bright and loud ? Within reason of course..but some of these newer phones with all the great features are too small to make them easy to use. In my case it has to be Quad band as I need the 850 for CellularOne in my area.
I had a Blackberry 7100 which was great for push mail and work stuff but not so hot for display or web stuff. I just bought and then sold a very nice Hermes (Softpoint/Jasjam) device which was probably the best phone I have seen for coverage and features. It flat out worked great. I just could not see me using that needle size stylus on the 2.8 inch screen for very long. The display was nice but just too small enjoy using for me. It might work as a heads up display, but for my main device it need to be bigger. I mean... do you really want to run GPS map apps on this while your driving ? Or shop on eBay while squinting at that little thing. It looked MUCH bigger in the Ads
I've run a Symbian based Nokia e61 (still do) and find it one of my favorites for ease of use without a touch screen. It's not a touch screen but you would never notice with the neat smart key layouts and center joystick control. The display is not huge but the layout works great for web use and the browser is very quick. The problem with this phone is it seems to have a weaker over all RF module and I constantly loose my GPRS lock when going through fades and the only way to get packet (GPRS) back is to power cycle it. Maybe it's just my phone thats bad but the dealer won't exchange it as this point and I really doubt their "repair" shop would even find the problem.
I just bought, powered up and re-boxed an Ipaq 6945/15 device. Worked good signal wise and packet data stuff/Wifi devices were good. The phone just has a overall cheap feel to it. The keyboard is a joke (compared to my e61) and the joystick and side buttons are hard to use. Would it be that much more expensive to put a rubber tip on the joystick ? The 240 x240 display was weak and grainy as well. It has about 15 minutes on it and will listed for sell at a auction site near you soon ! I am waiting for my first BA device I just purchased off the web (O2XDAiis) and hope it's what I'm looking for. The 2003se software will new for me and it will probaly go to some version of WM5 soon after I get it. I'm hoping the screen is bright and pretty and I can actually use the "touch" screen with my finger instead of digging for a matchstick while cruising at 70 miles an hour. I like heft too, it signals quality to me. I searched long and wide for a 3.5 inch display, quad band phone and found Nothing but the older BA at this point. I'd love a new device to come out with WM5, 3.5 to 4 inch display, bright screen and the latest interfaces. I'd buy one RIGHT NOW.
Guy

BA all the way...big screen..nice keyboard..

I thought I would put my .02 cents in on this topic since I had a BA for 2 years and just recently got a Cingular 8525.
I did a pro's and con's list to help me make it very clear which phone I wanted and why. I'll just share the list with you...
Pros FOR the 8525 over the BA:
- Edge speeds are about 5x faster than regular GSM (120-150kbs)
- 3G speeds are about 30x faster (800-850kbs)
- Universal USB charger
- 2mp camera is much higher quality
- Camera application is much more advanced
- Native WM5 OS. No hacking or slowdowns from non-supported upgrades
- Jog Dial (this is a big one... Can't be without it now)
- MUCH improved bluetooth reception for handsfree
- Wifi type g and b (noticeably faster)
- Free push email w/ web2mail (simply amazing, no more disappearing gmail!!!)
- Smaller form factor... nicer fit in my hand than BA
- BT headset can start VoiceCommand. No need to touch the phone anymore.
- No soft reset to make the WiFi work start up
- PTT will be supported in the future and might be nice to have.
- Multiple sounds play without garbling (ie. VoiceCommand announcement and ringtone)
- Sharper more vibrant screen (the clarity and overall quality difference is significant)
- MUCH louder speakerphone and ring volume
- I like the navigation pad a bit better than the BA and it seems much more responsive.
Cons of the 8525 compared to the BA:
- Micro SD format max's out at 2GB (at the moment)
- No standard headphone jack
- Battery drain is higher due to 3g and push email
- The main buttons are a bit cramped around the navigation pad, but you get used to it, just like anything.
On the con side... Micro SD cards (typically) come with a standard SD card enclosure so you can use it with standard flash card readers or even put them into standard SD card devices like phones or the BA even. This is a nice thing in case you want to transfer information from one device to the other. Mini SD seems to be the real loser format out of the three in my opinion.
The headphone jack isn't really an issue for me so far. Yeah it would be nice to listen to the tunes with whatever headphones I choose, but I'm thinking a dedicated music player would be better anyway since I'm already running my battery into the ground as it is, but that doesn't change that my options are certainly limited. I'm sure someone will come up with an adapter solution soon. I've already seen some, but they are still getting better.
Battery drain is a big one... Other than disabling 3g and turning off direct push... I don't see a way to save battery. I just turn the back light down as low as it can go and use vjlumosiii (handy little app) mapped to a button to get max brightness when I need it.
Overall... I have to say that the 8525 is going to be a device that I will use for the next 2 years or so with MUCH fondness. I loved my BA and after having it all tricked out was still better than many peoples phones.
That's just my opinion on these 2 devices. I like them both... but the 8525 is going to be my work horse no doubt about it.
Mark

Apple Ipod.. The next gen BA ?
http://www.apple.com/iphone/
Looks like my next BA replacement. It's everything a new BA should be if they upgrade it... Now I just need to see one on eBay and someone to provide unlocker for it ..

GapBoyT said:
Personally I stick with my BA because of how large the screen is and IMO the only phone that is worth switching too is the TyTn.
I also like how much thinner it is than any of the current HTC phones with a keyboard.
Meh... just my $.02
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yeah but it's only 240x320.. maybe if they released a new vga version with a good camera/ wifi g/i/e, native WM5, id be down, the BA just too big!
Gvotuc said:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/
Looks like my next BA replacement. It's everything a new BA should be if they upgrade it... Now I just need to see one on eBay and someone to provide unlocker for it ..
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baaaaaad idea man.. why do you think apple is getting sued by cisco.. they don't think things through! Hence the intel macs killing the g5's in benchmarks on OSX, APPLE Should stick to software!! (And ive got cingular!)

Yup, yup.
Still using my 6600 and love it!
The screen size and the full size SD card is what kept me from going to a 6700.

i've got the BA PH20B on 02 (2yrs now) i use it alot with tomtom, i was thinking of the HTC 3300 its got built in GPS, 2.8'' TFT-LCD 240 X 320 with 65,536 colours, but only a 201mhz chip so gotta look into it more. and i found out you can get it with out the navigation software. save a few pennies there.

Impressions of the Artemis (MDA Compact 3)

Hi,
It has been a few days since I got my MDAC3 so I thought I would share my impressions.
I have been using a JAMin for the last year so can use it for comparison.
Firstly my main reasons for changing to the MDAC3 were to get built in GPS and FM radio. Otherwise there is not really any great advantage over the JAMin.
The first thing I noticed is that it does feel smaller. I know it more or less the same size as the JAMin but it just feels less bulky. Down to it slightly slimmer profile.
Externally it feels on a par with the JAMin for build quality with all the buttons etc well fitted. The extra buttons are a bonus too.
I would have to say the JAMin screen has slightly better contrast but not by much. I am not sure about not having a separate headphone jack, time will tell if this is pain or not.
Of course the Rollr and wheel are a big deal breaker for some with this phone. I did have some reservations but having used it now I am happy to say they have been misplaced. For me the Rollr does work well and is a good replacement for the dpad. I would not go so far as to say it is better, just different. It can be a bit inprecise sometimes but not so that it is annoying.
I have hard wired the WnW button to switch between mouse mode. I find this additional function really handy in some apps. It assists in making one hand operation easier.
I am not quite so sold on the wheel. It is occaisionally faster for lists than the Rollr but not hugely so. A wheel on the side would have been better.
The lack of Wifi in the MDA3 over the JAMin is another contenious point for some. For me the only time I used Wifi was to surf using my broadband connection in the house. I can get this through bluetooth and with the WnW option on my contract it is not really an issue for me.
Software wise the MDA3 runs faster than the JAMin did. I am assuming this is probably more due to it running the latest version of Windows. Also by not installing the Ext ROM I have gained quite a lot of storage and program memory over my JAMin.
Finally the inbuilt GPS performance is very good. It connects far faster than my BT GPS ever did and holds the signal much better. From brief tests it should run for 4 to 5 hours without charge in Tom Tom which is more than enough for my uses.
So the MDA3 has been a worthwhile change for me. Coupled with my Flext 20 Contract and WnW I am paying 50p less a month than I was with O2 but getting unlimited web time and more effective usage of my free text/calls allowance. The phone is not a huge leap from the JAMin but it is a more polished a performer. None of the big omissions affect me personally (3G, Wifi, keyboard) so until the next big thing I am happy (for 18 months anyway)!!
Regards

You have probably hit it on the head!
I am moving from a HP iPAQ 2210 and SE K750i. I did use an iMate Jam for a while through my previous employer and found it to be a very useful tool, but had to return it when I left their employ. I have now decided on a XDA Orbit after much deliberation (ETEN X500, ASUS 535, Gigabyte i300 and HTC P3300) for the ability to dump my BT GPS reciever and combine my phone and PDA. The HTC suffered when you looked at the stats (200MHz processor, no 3G etc), but in reality that doesn't matter. If I can keep my diary up to date, access my contacts, email, SMS, Messenger and use Tom Tom then that is all I need. I will shut down programmes if it causes others to run slow, I will get used to a new method of navigating around the screen and put up with little foibles for the advantages in weight and size that the Orbit offers. If I waited for the perfect device then I would never move forward as every few months a new service or add-on becomes available and the manufacturers have to scramble to catch up.

Ipaq 910 is good Dash replacement

The new HP Ipaq 910 is the phone I have been waiting for. Has WM 6.1 professional installed.
1) Similar form factor as Dash
2) Qwerty
3) External micro sd slot and works with 8gb
4) 416 mhz cpu
5) Also touch screen (screen is 0.6 inches more than the Dash) with stylus
6) Unlocked
7) Built in GPS
8) 3 mega pixel camera with flash (pics look very good)
9) 128 megs sdram and 256 megs flash.
10) Reception is far better than my Dash and also rated better than Touch, Shadow, Curve, BlackJack II and Sidekick- to name a few (as per reviews and discussions).
11) Headphone jack? Specs say it does, but the adaptor was plugged into the side- that is where the usb is...... Should have confirmed.
12) HP interface does a good job of making windows more "friendly".
13) 1,940 ma battery!!

Personally I prefer WM Standard over Professional, because it is just easier to use as a phone. However this QWERTY plus landscape and Professional is a new form factor so let us know if you still like it after a few days.

indiekiduk said:
Personally I prefer WM Standard over Professional, because it is just easier to use as a phone. However this QWERTY plus landscape and Professional is a new form factor so let us know if you still like it after a few days.
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I agree. HP has added a simple interface to focus on the basics for phone operation. This phone is what I would consider as a Dash II, with the one missing thing being a 3.5mm headphone jack, rather than a 2.5mm that the 910 has.

I would consider the dash.

indiekiduk said:
Personally I prefer WM Standard over Professional, because it is just easier to use as a phone. However this QWERTY plus landscape and Professional is a new form factor so let us know if you still like it after a few days.
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My time was only a few hours on it from a fellow electronics geek, but the reception was much better than my Dash.
The headphone jack is an issue of question. I thought the adapter was a 2.5mm to 3.5mm and did not bother to check. My view was further enforced by the specs stating it has a 2.5mm jack. I am wondering if it does now, because the connection was at the side and that is the usb.
I was more concerned with reception rather than multi-media at the time. I will also edit my main post about the 2.5mm jack.

rushless said:
The new HP Ipaq 910 is the phone I have been waiting for. Has WM 6.1 professional installed.
1) Similar form factor as Dash
2) Qwerty
3) External micro sd slot and works with 8gb
4) 416 mhz cpu
5) Also touch screen (screen is 0.6 inches more than the Dash) with stylus
6) Unlocked
7) Built in GPS
8) 3 mega pixel camera with flash (pics look very good)
9) 128 megs sdram and 256 megs flash.
10) Reception is far better than my Dash and also rated better than Touch, Shadow, Curve, BlackJack II and Sidekick- to name a few (as per reviews and discussions).
11) Headphone jack? Specs say it does, but the adaptor was plugged into the side- that is where the usb is...... Should have confirmed.
12) HP interface does a good job of making windows more "friendly".
13) 1,940 ma battery!!
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Looks like a cool phone but I think if I was going to spend the money on a new phone I'd get something we a much bigger screen even something that slides or flips or opens up to a qwerty , I love the dash but the screen is very small but the iphone and instinct all of that Is out because I like winmobile too much.

ehem....ack, ewww
not a fan

I have both and just am not digging the 910. Too thick, screen is too small for a touchscreen (exact same size as the dash), and the FW is REAL buggy. I never realized how much I liked HTC's apps until I had a PPC that didn't have them. I have several apps that simply will not work on the 910 due to the screen being frozen in landscape mode.
Charging is flaky. Hard to explain but sometimes the charging light goes green and the battery isn't fully charged. Sometimes the battery *IS* fully charged but the light stays amber. Another time or two the LED flickered between amber and green at an alarming rate. NO idea what that means.
It's not a bad device by any means but that and the dash are 2 seperate animals. I like my dash, the 910 is a decent device but will take some getting used to, but I still prefer my Kaiser over the 910.
-Mc
UPDATE: I have boxed her up and debating whether to send it back or just put it on a shelf until a new FW is released. In only 6 hours of use, I have missed phone calls, had calls dropped because other calls came in at the same time, and noticed that the DTMF and system sounds seem to be running about 10 times as fast. This ROM needs some serious work.

McHale said:
I have both and just am not digging the 910. Too thick, screen is too small for a touchscreen (exact same size as the dash), and the FW is REAL buggy. I never realized how much I liked HTC's apps until I had a PPC that didn't have them. I have several apps that simply will not work on the 910 due to the screen being frozen in landscape mode.
Charging is flaky. Hard to explain but sometimes the charging light goes green and the battery isn't fully charged. Sometimes the battery *IS* fully charged but the light stays amber. Another time or two the LED flickered between amber and green at an alarming rate. NO idea what that means.
It's not a bad device by any means but that and the dash are 2 seperate animals. I like my dash, the 910 is a decent device but will take some getting used to, but I still prefer my Kaiser over the 910.
-Mc
UPDATE: I have boxed her up and debating whether to send it back or just put it on a shelf until a new FW is released. In only 6 hours of use, I have missed phone calls, had calls dropped because other calls came in at the same time, and noticed that the DTMF and system sounds seem to be running about 10 times as fast. This ROM needs some serious work.
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I'm with you on this, I've had similar experience with the 910. I've decided to put it aside until a new fw is released. going back to my touch.

Which currrent device could replace the BA?

What about the current followers?
Toshiba TG01 / K01, Touch Pro 2? Samsung Omnia Pro? Acer Tempo M900
I still can't find a suitable BA-substitution.
portrait orientated keyboard? docking station with battery charging option? Big 3:4 screen to make easier office working?
Not to mention the sd-card-slot ...
But, if make compromises, all mentioned devices have no really improvements (like a much faster processor) or they seems to be not reliable enough (Toshiba).
What do you think? Which device would you make to throw away your BA?

never throw your BA
TouchPro i would get!

never throw your BA
TouchPro i would get!

although none of the newer devices looks similar to the blueangel, they all have their respective advantages in their fields. it starts with the display resolution, all newer devices are better in that field, though not all the displays are necessarily bigger. i don't know, the portrait keyboard is not really something i need in a device, maybe it is because some keys of mine haven't worked since the day i bought it, but even if they did, i don't like the ba's keyboard, i really appreciate the universal's one, i can type almost as fast as on my pc there.
but i gotta admit, in one point, the ba really kicks ass:
the docking station, no lame usb cable, but a proper stand, you can charge the device and a second battery, and let's not forget, the headset port on top (though it is not 3.5mm *aaargh*) you can charge and have handsfree calls at the same time.
that's one reason, why htc will go back to the 3.5mm headset port, they said, you can simply connect the device to any speaker system, fm transmitters... and still charge at the same time. people were sick of carrying an adaptor from mini-usb or extusb to 3.5mm in their pockets, just in case they wanted to play loud music or use good headphones.
i do not fully agree on the sd card slot, while they are certainly the cheapest memory cards (3x 2gb for 10eur unbeatable), the 2gb limit is not exactly future ready. the most important thing is, that the card is interchangable without taking out the battery and stuff like that (yes, i am talking about you, NOKIA, damn you!1).
but talking about memory i would really say, the BA itself has an expiration date. how long do you think, fast proper roms will fit 32mb, external apps are growing bigger every day, 60mb is also not the killer, and installing to an sd card is also not really an option because it's slow and since there is no sdhc support, how far are you gonna get, i don't want to install my apps on every card i have.
don't get me wrong, i love the ba, and i don't think your post was to say, it would last forever.
i agree with you, there is no real successor to the ba featuring all its features, but really thinking about it, you must agree, you would give up some minor features for all the new stuff.
and i personally love gadgets, nonsense additons to devices, that i could perfectly live without, but i want them. there would be: accelerometer, proximity sensor, light sensor, noise sensor, multi-touch...
when it was up to me, the devices would also get a barcode- and fingerprint sensor, voice recognition and x-ray
just my 2 cents
hope some of this was interesting to my fellow BA enthusiasts and supporters of this community.
have a nice weekend everybody
Chef_Tony

It's clear to me that sometimes I must change my device. In my case (I still use the BA with WM2003, have 4GB SD installed and another BA to replace faulty device parts) the main problem is the slow Internet connection.
I'd like to have a device where I can check some information in the Internet in seconds, not in minutes.
Finally the question for me is to find the right moment, when HTC's devices are fast enough, Toshiba's work properly a.s.o. Will there be better BA successors in future? HTCs with 1 GHz? Toshibas with inside pens?
When this future will start?

I think my question is close enough to this thread, so I ask it here:
I'm also looking for an alternative to my MDA III (Blue Angel).
In general, I'm quite fond of the device. What I like about my MDA III and want to have in a future device are these things:
+ Windows Mobile hackability
+ sufficient RAM
+ realtively fast CPU
+ fingerfriendlyness (MDA III is because of its screen size)
+ reasonable battery life (I have a clunky extended battery)
But I want another device, because I see some drawbacks in the Blue Angel and want to have this:
+ less clunkyness (even without the extended battery the BA is huge)
+ landscape keyboard
+ built-in GPS
+ 3G ability
+ even more battery life (I always want more of that)
I got me an e-ten Glofiish M800, which has almost everything on paper. But the RAM (64MB) is much too small for a VGA device and the build quality is really bad. I can't even make decent phonecalls because the speaker is truly awful.
So, is there something the experts can reccomend? What about hte TYTN II, does it have a decent battery?
Regards,
Dirk

pdahunter said:
I'd like to have a device where I can check some information in the Internet in seconds, not in minutes.
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Which browser do you use? For just getting some information Opera Mini (a Java application) is the browser of choice. It reduces the size of images and rearranges the website's content. With GPRS it is already fast, I never had to wait minutes.
Regards,
Dirk

I'm afraid the main problem is the connection speed.
I don't like operas user interface very much (I have V8.65) - no direct click to favorites/bookmarks, many other functions take more clicks than in IE. So IE became my favorite broswer.
Should I upgrade opera?

pdahunter said:
I'm afraid the main problem is the connection speed.
I don't like operas user interface very much (I have V8.65) - no direct click to favorites/bookmarks, many other functions take more clicks than in IE. So IE became my favorite broswer.
Should I upgrade opera?
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This is a misunderstanding, I'm not talking about Opera for Mobiles but Opera Mini, a Java app.
Grüße,
Dirk

It seems I should give Opera Mini a chance ...

I've been using BA for about 4 years now! never disappointed me, its been amazing till now! however the weird look in ppl eyes start to annoy me so i decide to upgrade: so i got Touch PRO, and frankly i didn't feel it add much to my BA (may be a little bit)
bottom line: BA is one of the greatest device, and to replace it i would go for Touch PRO or PRO 2....but never through my BA
Cheers!

moh980 said:
bottom line: BA is one of the greatest device, and to replace it i would go for Touch PRO or PRO 2.
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Yeah, I thought so. I'll look for a Touch Pro when I get back the money I spent for the faulty E-ten. To0 bad that the Touch Pro still ist quite expensive.
Dirk

Last week I had a chance to compare BA and Touch Pro 2:
There are pros and contras for the Touch Pro 2.
Considering the contras the most important is the smaller screen (despite the 3.6"):
If I play games in portrait mode all signs and graphics are smaller than on a BA.
If I use the keyboard (E-Mail, Office) I have not enough place for lists and texts (landscape mode instead of portrait mode keyboard).
If I use the touch as navigation system the square of the screen is to small.
(moreover there is not car case yet with integrated power supply)
Hope sometimes HTC will build something like the TG01 with a keyboard.

I own a BA, have done for the last couple of years, currently running xplodes latest 6.5 rom and over all its a good pda... Yes, I class it as a PDA, due to its sheer size, I don't think I can ever comfortably use it as a phone... Yes, the screen is deffinitely bigger than most and that has its advantages, but I do think its getting old now and the way I see it, its probably getting a bit hard to adapt the latest software and roms to its 'aging' hardware...
I've just purchased a 2nd hand HTC TyTn II and to be honest, it really is fantastic, I really am very impressed with it, got it off eBay for £100 and the fact that it has a 3.0mp camera, built in GPS reciever, WiFi (like the BA), a 2.8" Screen and in my opinion, a much much better Qwerty keyboard pulling out the side giving much easier and bigger keys to press! I've currently got a Windows Mobile 6.5 rom on there and the battery life really does make the BA look like it should'nt have Windows Mobile 6.5 on it at all!
But hey, thats just my opinion, i'm not running the BA down at all, as its deffinitely one of my favorite devices and a device I'll keep forever! But I'm just giving my input to this thread and to reflect on what ive said above, for a good six months of the last year, I went back to using my SPV M500 rather than the BA just because it works better as a 'Phone'...
Cheers, Adz.