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WM6 memory leaks is worse than WM5?

I just upgraded to WM6 and I installed the same applications which were installed back when I have WM5. One of them if SpB Plus, whereby I put the RAM icon (for running program) at the 1st tab.
I noticed that after running the same applications I typically used back in WM5 (messaging, Pocket Information, SpB Insight, Phone Alarm, etc.), WM6 didn't release the memory back as much as WM5.
Example (after running the above program, then closing all of them - NOT minimizing:
WM5: ~21 Mb
WM6: ~ 18 Mb
I tried this about 4 times with 2 separate 8525, one running WM5 and the other WM6.
Forgot to mention: the file that seems to keep growing after opening/closing application is filesys, checked using MemMaid.
Anyone experienced this?

Which version of WM6 are you running?

I am using LVSW Edition (2007-03-15). I haven't tried the 2007-03-20 since I get really tried re-installing different WM6 ROM and re-installing the apps over and over again. Sooo.. I am waiting to see if other have the same problem with various version of WM6 before plunging myself for another 4 hours of reinstalling everything.

lanwarrior said:
I am using LVSW Edition (2007-03-15). I haven't tried the 2007-03-20 since I get really tried re-installing different WM6 ROM and re-installing the apps over and over again. Sooo.. I am waiting to see if other have the same problem with various version of WM6 before plunging myself for another 4 hours of reinstalling everything.
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try this ROM and let me know how you go...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1180792&postcount=1

I was about to, but I held back because I want to ask if anyone, who have either the LSV or the Black WM6 ROM can tell me if they have the same issue, simply just by looking at the RAM level.
Not that I am lazy, but I have gone on installing ROM so many times it's just not fun anymore and hoping that someone can just post about the memory issue.
UPDATE: I found out that using SkTools "FreeRam" tool, I can free up the memory, but not by much (extra ~1-2 Mb).

lanwarrior said:
I was about to, but I held back because I want to ask if anyone, who have either the LSV or the Black WM6 ROM can tell me if they have the same issue, simply just by looking at the RAM level.
Not that I am lazy, but I have gone on installing ROM so many times it's just not fun anymore and hoping that someone can just post about the memory issue.
UPDATE: I found out that using SkTools "FreeRam" tool, I can free up the memory, but not by much (extra ~1-2 Mb).
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well y dont you install the ROM... and use Task Manager to see how much memory each program is using... and do bechmark tests like every hour or so if your really worried about it that much...

Read my post above: installing ROM and re-installing everything is not a 30 minutes gig. Plus, a real testing will involve normal usage, not just running 1-2 apps and watching the screen.
I merely asking for the community assistance for those who have installed the Black version or has noticed similar problem.
Why are you giving me nasty remarks? TIred of installing ROMS?

lanwarrior said:
Read my post above: installing ROM and re-installing everything is not a 30 minutes gig. Plus, a real testing will involve normal usage, not just running 1-2 apps and watching the screen.
I merely asking for the community assistance for those who have installed the Black version or has noticed similar problem.
Why are you giving me nasty remarks? TIred of installing ROMS?
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calm down... im not giving nasty remarks...
was mierly suggesting that you try it out... and leave task manager running and open the applications you are worried about to actually see if it is releasing the memory or not...
i also am sick of flashing ROMs everyday... but thats how you get to learn about different ROMs and their flaws...

I would suggest bringing this to SPB's attention as you seem to have a difference with WM5 and WM6. If this is a must app for you, then until SPB updates their software to be more friendly with the yet-to-be release crossbow OS, you should probably stick to WM5... think of all the extra time you'll have left over to do other things than install and test... especially if it's not fun for you.
Since the first WM6 ROM was made available, I've received WM6 compatible released software from SBSH, Wisbar, CE-Star (Chinese), Conduits, and CodeCity.
Here's one example:
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10476
We got our hands on the ROM before developers got their hands on the SDK. He got the SDK 06MAR and identified challenges posed by the new theme. 10MAR confirmed he'll a new rendering engine for the WM6 product t WBL. 16MAR released the update. Nicely done Chris.
And many thanks to the Chef's who continue releasing build improvements that address both shortcomings of the original ROM and additions that make some of the features more convenient.
Walshieau, many thanks to you also for your many informative and helpful posts and contributions to the XDA community.
Cheers to All

aquanaut88 said:
I would suggest bringing this to SPB's attention as you seem to have a difference with WM5 and WM6. If this is a must app for you, then until SPB updates their software to be more friendly with the yet-to-be release crossbow OS, you should probably stick to WM5... think of all the extra time you'll have left over to do other things than install and test... especially if it's not fun for you.
Since the first WM6 ROM was made available, I've received WM6 compatible released software from SBSH, Wisbar, CE-Star (Chinese), Conduits, and CodeCity.
Here's one example:
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10476
We got our hands on the ROM before developers got their hands on the SDK. He got the SDK 06MAR and identified challenges posed by the new theme. 10MAR confirmed he'll a new rendering engine for the WM6 product t WBL. 16MAR released the update. Nicely done Chris.
And many thanks to the Chef's who continue releasing build improvements that address both shortcomings of the original ROM and additions that make some of the features more convenient.
Walshieau, many thanks to you also for your many informative and helpful posts and contributions to the XDA community.
Cheers to All
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happy to try and help...

I don't use SPB anything, any after about a day or so, I get about 19MB free. A fresh soft reset, gives me 25MB free.

@darkjedi
If the task manager icon is present in the settings menu (go to start>settings>system(tab)>task manager) then tick the top two boxes and when you press the X button it will actually exit the program you are using. You may have many programs running in the background which you are unaware of, by soft resetting this clears the memory and the programs present are those on startup.
@lanwarrior
Version 0.2 of WMXL has a memory cache fix cab, not sure if this will work on LVSW but it is worth a shot, the memory usage improves after installing this, might be worth a shot....if all else fails perform a hard reset and then maybe flash a different WM6 ROM (Black v1.2 or WMXL 0.2??).

I'm actually using the HTC Task Manager, and am closing the apps. I'm using LVSW 3-15-07 ROM. It's working great. It's not really a complaint honestly, just a little annoyance.

I used to love SPB Pocket Plus mainly for its X Button app, Battery meter and quick launch on today screen.
I did find it used to chomp extra resources and every time I returned to the today screen there was always a second or 2 pause while the today screen plugin refreshed.
I've since switched to Batti, Scott Seligman's Launcher and the HTC Task Manager. Same functionality but way less on system resources and memory.

gurubumsmack said:
I used to love SPB Pocket Plus mainly for its X Button app, Battery meter and quick launch on today screen.
I did find it used to chomp extra resources and every time I returned to the today screen there was always a second or 2 pause while the today screen plugin refreshed.
I've since switched to Batti, Scott Seligman's Launcher and the HTC Task Manager. Same functionality but way less on system resources and memory.
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Thanks for mentioning alternates to SPB PP, which is a disaster on Black v 1.2, in my and other's experience. I am going to get them and give them a try.

I mentioned SpB plus because I use their memory meter to monitor the memory usage for the device, irrespective of the applications, SPb or not.
I am going to remove SPB Plus, but I think this is not the primary cause. I have SpB Plus running overnight with no other applications running (today's plug-in or messaging auto-connect) and the memory usage didn't change.
I think it's more of opening and closing applications, whatever they are.
Those who are using NON-SPB applications but monitor their memory using whatever you have, let us know if the memory usage decrease far more than WM5 over time when you open and close applications.

I mentioned SpB plus because I use their memory meter to monitor the memory usage for the device, irrespective of the applications, SPb or not.
I am going to remove SPB Plus, but I think this is not the primary cause. I have SpB Plus running overnight with no other applications running (today's plug-in or messaging auto-connect) and the memory usage didn't change.
I think it's more of opening and closing applications, whatever they are.
Those who are using NON-SPB applications but monitor their memory using whatever you have, let us know if the memory usage decrease far more than WM5 over time when you open and close applications.

If you want to run SPB Pocket Plus, do not try Black edition. It has compatability issue. (I personally will not try any Black Edition again unless more than 10 people confirm the issue has solved.)
I need my phone device for work, can't be beta tester all the time...(more than 15 reflash on same Black Edition. Even the creator of ROM indicate the fixed, but he hasn'y really test it.... Personally, I like Black edition the most, but....)
I am currently running LVSW late edition, very stable. I am running OS only with more space edition. Radio 1.38.0.10 seems to enhance the battery life. Maybe I am using Black Edition's black theme.

Penske MB said:
If you want to run SPB Pocket Plus, do not try Black edition. It has compatability issue. (I personally will not try any Black Edition again unless more than 10 people confirm the issue has solved.)
I need my phone device for work, can't be beta tester all the time...(more than 15 reflash on same Black Edition. Even the creator of ROM indicate the fixed, but he hasn'y really test it.... Personally, I like Black edition the most, but....)
I am currently running LVSW late edition, very stable. I am running OS only with more space edition. Radio 1.38.0.10 seems to enhance the battery life. Maybe I am using Black Edition's black theme.
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everyone has a right to post chump... but did you try the workaround and remove the Safe Mode?
if your going to bag someone's ROM... y dont u do it in the ROM's thread insdead of cluttering others???

Penske MB said:
......can't be beta tester all the time........
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Since these cooked WM6 roms available (Vanilla, WMXL, Black, LVSW, 3DES.1) are all based on early (possibly beta) versions of WM6 you WILL be beta testing them until we can get a fully stable version.
Its thanks to hard working individuals like Kyphur, walshieau, jasjamming, lvsw, olipro, pof et all ~(apologies if ive missed anyone out that REALLY should be mentioned) that these ROMs are getting more and more stable every time a new version is released, if you dont like using them then revert back to WM5. But dont go wragging on the authors just because software DESIGNED FOR WM5 doesnt work on them.
Id suggest cooking your own WM6 version as it may help you appreciate the work put into these releases....free of charge may i add.

Whats the most stable??

Hello all,
With all the awesome chef's in the kitchen it is hard to ask this question... but I will.
I would like to know what the most stable WM6 rom is, In your opinion.
I have used Black 2.0... for 2 weeks (seemed flawless)
Then I tried Tried 2.5 then LVSW, and even Custel's ROM but get random freezes, I grab the phone and its froze, missed how many calls?? I can't have this.
Something I might be doing you say, possible but I have even installed no additional apps, and only sync to exchange. I see others having some various issues with differnet roms. So this prompted me to ask the question I have.
So whats the most stable ROM?

i use black 2.5 with his new memory.cab and works great no problems. what programs are you using b/c it may be related to them. maybe use sktools to delete some unneccesary programs from starting on boot and go from there.

Black 1.2 with a weeks+ of working it to perfection. No need to flash anything else for me until WM7 comes out. lol

Coming back to a froze device sounds like you have the sd card lockups, and not rom related, but if you dont have a card installed, dismiss my post.

I was using Black 2.5, I have a lot of freezes in particular when I activeSync and I do activeSync A LOT, (freeze about every 3rd time I activeSync). A few miss call, and call which I have no audio.
I switch to LVSW 4/23 (FULL version), currently with the same applications installed on Black 2.5, my phone seems to be running well, no freezes yet for half a day already. (ActiveSync more than 10 times already)
I am not saying there is any problem with Black 2.5 rom. A lot of people are very happy with Black 2.5. What I am simply saying is that with the set of applications that I need (a few of them are beta apps), LVSW seems more compatibility than Black.
P.S. Using PhoneAlarm, PocketInformat, CEStar, ISilo, Cyberon Voic Speed Dial, and SplashID

I've had no freezing issues, only app I install is im+

I am running Black 2.5 and I too am having similar ActiveSync problems. And it freezes every third time as well. Strange....
noop said:
I was using Black 2.5, I have a lot of freezes in particular when I activeSync and I do activeSync A LOT, (freeze about every 3rd time I activeSync). A few miss call, and call which I have no audio.
I switch to LVSW 4/23 (FULL version), currently with the same applications installed on Black 2.5, my phone seems to be running well, no freezes yet for half a day already. (ActiveSync more than 10 times already)
I am not saying there is any problem with Black 2.5 rom. A lot of people are very happy with Black 2.5. What I am simply saying is that with the set of applications that I need (a few of them are beta apps), LVSW seems more compatibility than Black.
P.S. Using PhoneAlarm, PocketInformat, CEStar, ISilo, Cyberon Voic Speed Dial, and SplashID
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Previously I was using Black 2.0 and never had one freeze. But since I upgraded to 2.5 I get random freezes like couple times a day, I suspect this could be due to the new OS build? Once I have time I would probably reflash it back to 2.0 cuz it's rock stable for me.

Black 2.5 is working sweet as for me.
Couple of freezes with LVSW and XDA Live, but nothing major, i had freezes with the OEM rom, its just what phones and computers seem to do these days!!
I;ll stay Black, but at the end of the day, use the rom, which you think you will get the best community support, has the best community friendliness and if you ever do have troubles, you shouldnt be troubles trying to fix them!

keep in mind that these ROMs are essentially beta (even if based upon the "final" WM6). they do not undergo the rigorous testing that a carrier would provide.
if you are unwilling to deal with this (and RTFW for answers), then you might be better sticking with the factory shipping WM5 roms...

I like Custel's rom, support is there, and rom is quick n smooth

LVSW 4/23
The full version of LVSW 4/23 is the most stable so far for me. This is the first of the WM6 ROMS I can open and run Netfront, Newsbreak, Pocket IE, Messaging, Camera, Resco Explorer, get a phone call at the same time and still have no freezing. I did a little tweaking to it, but out of the gate it is just fine. All I really needed to install in the Keyboard fix and the Cingular settings.

noop, the reason you freeze alot or crashes alot is becoz of CE-Star..all i know is LVSW does not have the problem, but all other rom does...
Don't use the one from WM5, i remember there is a lite version on this fourm (topic x01ht showing chinese or sth)
Why i know, coz i just install ce-star on black, it will never work..it will crash almost anything...The guy who made the lite has a re-edit version of Ce-star for crossbow, that you have to try your own..since all i need is viewing~

They are all good!
4bc said:
...but at the end of the day, use the rom, which you think you will get the best community support, has the best community friendliness...
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We are all one big happy community here at XDA Developers!
For me with the earlier round of ROMS LVSW 4/23 worked the best. Zero problems. Haven't finished trying out the latest batch yet so I can't say. The bottom line is that with these ROMS you really do have to try them all and make your decision on which one best meets your needs when coupled with the software that you use.
All of these cooks are turning out some nice ROMs, the problems are more frequently caused by programs that are not yet certified for WM6 and the cooks, of course, have no control over this.

I would also suggest not to use any program to clean your OS, e.g. memory maid as it seems become unstable for all rom after cleaning the system with this kind of software.

Hi all,
Thanks for all your responses. I agree support from this forum family is awesome. I also agree with trying several roms to find the one that best fits my needs (but I don't yet know what they are, I just moved from a treo 650, and prior was a treo 600)
I am on LVSW now, I will try it for a bit and see how it goes. I do like Custels as well... Hmmm decisions, decisions. lol
Well thanks again for your responses and thant you Chefs for all your diligent work. You're the Kings in my book.

Comparison Page???
Would it be posible for the creators of the roms to tell us ALL of the bells and whistles that each of them has on it, and someone could compile a chart or page to compare them all? Obviously, the Voice Dial function is important to me, and I dig the Space Invaders, but there is so much more. I would be glad to do it if I could get the info on each with which to begin. As for Stability; is there a way to do a survey that would allow us to rate them according to the opinion of the users here regarding speed of boot/reset and stability and whatever anyone else can think of?
I recently moved to the Dutty Premier Windows Mobile 6 - Full Edition - Version 1 and So far I am very happy with it. And it appears to have all the tools and toys I want and need . . . so far.
Thanks,

If one doesn't already exist, someone please set up a wiki page for comparisons and we'll sticky it.
V

vijay555 said:
If one doesn't already exist, someone please set up a wiki page for comparisons and we'll sticky it.
V
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This is the best there is at the moment.
Not my work just bringing it to your attn
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Cooked_ROMs
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Custel Cingular 1.2
The only WM6 ROM I have upgraded to is Custel's Cingular 1.2. It was a problem free upgrade and I have not experienced a single freeze and the only soft resets I have done were those required to install other applications. Unless someone, including HTC or Cingular, comes out with a version that adds features that I can't live without (and are not added to these cooked ROM's on this forum as CABs), I will be happy to stay with my current version.

dcd's vogue rom 0.2.0

Here is my vogue rom version 0.2.0
What I have done so far (as compared to a Sprint 1.12 ship rom):
Upgrade drivers and XIP to 1.17 ship rom
Upgrade base to CE OS 5.2.1933 Build 18533.0.7.0 (in progress)
Upgrade OEM applications to newer versions from 1.17 ship rom
Remove IA Zip (Office Mobile 6.1 supports Zip)
Remove WModem (Internet Sharing is included)
Remove Sim Toolkit
Remove Autoupdate
Remove Catalog
Remove Customer Feedback, replace mxip_notify.vol with non-SQM version
Add Remote Desktop
Add VoIP
Registry - better performance, better battery life, etc
I have not tested this. I hear it works. If you mess up your phone, its not my fault.
http://rapidshare.com/files/82558441/dcd_vogue_0.2.0.exe.html

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man whats up I would love for you to keep working on this .....

I don't mean any offense or insult but honestly, I don't really see a point to it. The Touch has plenty of memory so there's no real point in swapping apps in rom as with lesser phones. It's not an issue. Now if you can enable GPS, increase speed 30%, fix DirectDraw so it plays better than 1 1/2 fps or something like that, I'd be flashing it right now instead of typing this. But I'm not resetting my phone and going through all that for a few apps I could install myself in 1/10th the time. There's another custom rom on ppcgeeks that's also received relatively little interest, I suspect for the same reason.
Again, nothing personal, no insult is intended and remember, you asked.

markgamber said:
I don't mean any offense or insult but honestly, I don't really see a point to it. The Touch has plenty of memory so there's no real point in swapping apps in rom as with lesser phones. It's not an issue. Now if you can enable GPS, increase speed 30%, fix DirectDraw so it plays better than 1 1/2 fps or something like that, I'd be flashing it right now instead of typing this. But I'm not resetting my phone and going through all that for a few apps I could install myself in 1/10th the time. There's another custom rom on ppcgeeks that's also received relatively little interest, I suspect for the same reason.
Again, nothing personal, no insult is intended and remember, you asked.
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Yeah I take no offense. That seems to be the general feeling of vogue users. However, I am not just adding apps, in fact I havent added any (other than WM6 components.) I never do in my titan roms. What you have to consider is that WM6 is bloated with crap, and then HTC dumps more crap on top of it. Yeah, the vogue comes with all the software that 99% of people are throwing on top of their device's build for a custom rom... I am not one of those people I am more interested in updating the vanilla OS in terms of performance, stability, and age.
What I have done so far (as compared to a Sprint 1.12 ship rom):
Upgrade drivers and XIP to 1.17 ship rom
Upgrade base to CE OS 5.2.1933 Build 18533.0.7.0
Upgrade OEM applications to newer versions from 1.17 ship rom
Remove IA Zip (Office Mobile 6.1 supports Zip)
Remove WModem (Internet Sharing is included)
Remove Sim Toolkit
Remove Autoupdate
Remove Catalog
Remove Customer Feedback, replace mxip_notify.vol with non-SQM version
Add Remote Desktop
Add VoIP
Registry - better performance, better battery life, etc
I may also replace HTC Home 2.0 with 2.1. Beyond that I am open to suggestions.

Testing over the weekend and will report back.
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Yeah I take no offense. That seems to be the general feeling of vogue users. However, I am not just adding apps, in fact I havent added any (other than WM6 components.) I never do in my titan roms. What you have to consider is that WM6 is bloated with crap, and then HTC dumps more crap on top of it. Yeah, the vogue comes with all the software that 99% of people are throwing on top of their device's build for a custom rom... I am not one of those people I am more interested in updating the vanilla OS in terms of performance, stability, and age.
What I have done so far (as compared to a Sprint 1.12 ship rom):
Upgrade drivers and XIP to 1.17 ship rom
Upgrade base to CE OS 5.2.1933 Build 18533.0.7.0
Upgrade OEM applications to newer versions from 1.17 ship rom
Remove IA Zip (Office Mobile 6.1 supports Zip)
Remove WModem (Internet Sharing is included)
Remove Sim Toolkit
Remove Autoupdate
Remove Catalog
Remove Customer Feedback, replace mxip_notify.vol with non-SQM version
Add Remote Desktop
Add VoIP
Registry - better performance, better battery life, etc
I may also replace HTC Home 2.0 with 2.1. Beyond that I am open to suggestions.
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First, thanks for the work on this. I still don't know enough about the kitchen to do it myself. I will report back on what I notice with your rom. Did you do anything different with the pagepool size?
I like your theory on ROM building...just make a nice clean, fast, stable ROM and let people add what they need.
Thanks again for your work!

DCD1182,
I will test this at my work and let you know how it runs

markgamber said:
I don't mean any offense or insult but honestly, I don't really see a point to it. The Touch has plenty of memory so there's no real point in swapping apps in rom as with lesser phones. It's not an issue. Now if you can enable GPS, increase speed 30%, fix DirectDraw so it plays better than 1 1/2 fps or something like that, I'd be flashing it right now instead of typing this. But I'm not resetting my phone and going through all that for a few apps I could install myself in 1/10th the time. There's another custom rom on ppcgeeks that's also received relatively little interest, I suspect for the same reason.
Again, nothing personal, no insult is intended and remember, you asked.
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It was probably much easier for you to save your time and not reply at all .... ? By the way the rom is really nice this one and the ppcgeek one .. thanks

Thanks a lot, nice to see some more roms out there.
Josh

Hey dcd. I love your work and have followed it closely on the mogul. I'm now using the Vogue and I figured it would be a matter of time before you helped out this area. I'm definitely in your corner so keep the roms coming. FYI... Alltel has released their touch which also has some goodies and may be worth looking into as soon as an Alltel user can dump the rom for us.
Pro_b

dcd1182 said:
Here is my vogue rom version 0.2.0
What I have done so far (as compared to a Sprint 1.12 ship rom):
Upgrade drivers and XIP to 1.17 ship rom
Upgrade base to CE OS 5.2.1933 Build 18533.0.7.0 (in progress)
Upgrade OEM applications to newer versions from 1.17 ship rom
Remove IA Zip (Office Mobile 6.1 supports Zip)
Remove WModem (Internet Sharing is included)
Remove Sim Toolkit
Remove Autoupdate
Remove Catalog
Remove Customer Feedback, replace mxip_notify.vol with non-SQM version
Add Remote Desktop
Add VoIP
Registry - better performance, better battery life, etc
I have not tested this. I do not have a vogue. I will update this when I get a report of how the rom works. If you are unsure about installing, dont. If you do install, please report your results.
http://rapidshare.com/files/82558441/dcd_vogue_0.2.0.exe.html
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Awesome. I knew you could come up with something. Now its begun. Think you could release that kitchen so that people could try building their own ROMs for the Vogue? And one more thing... Is this just for Sprint? I have Sprint so it is not a problem but I'm asking on behalf of those who do not.

DCD1182,
Give me a rock solid ROM and I will be happy. If you added the best programs into ROM what would I have left to play with : )
Thank you for not overseasoning the soup........

dharvey4651 said:
Think you could release that kitchen so that people could try building their own ROMs for the Vogue?
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Maybe eventually. However, I did include all rgu files, so you could dump this and throw it into your kitchen of choice.
And one more thing... Is this just for Sprint? I have Sprint so it is not a problem but I'm asking on behalf of those who do not.
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I would imagine that it would run on any carrier, but it is sprint branded at this time.
so, nobody has explicitly stated that it does or does not run is it working for everyone?
looks like the vogue has a 12mb pagepool...would you guys like that changed?

jakdillard said:
It was probably much easier for you to save your time and not reply at all .... ? By the way the rom is really nice this one and the ppcgeek one .. thanks
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He asked a question, I gave an answer based on my usage and the obvious lack of interest in the two custom roms on ppcgeeks. Why waste time building systems a half dozen people might use when there are other phones in much more obvious need of work? Being a prick doesn't make it less true.

markgamber said:
He asked a question, I gave an answer based on my usage and the obvious lack of interest in the two custom roms on ppcgeeks. Why waste time building systems a half dozen people might use when there are other phones in much more obvious need of work? Being a prick doesn't make it less true.
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settle down everybody markgamber i appreciated your feedback. difference of opinion i suppose, but you were answering the question i asked. i'm not going to pour time into a rom nobody cares about, but its easy enough to build that its not a waste if half a dozen people do use it

360discgolf said:
First, thanks for the work on this. I still don't know enough about the kitchen to do it myself. I will report back on what I notice with your rom. Did you do anything different with the pagepool size?
I like your theory on ROM building...just make a nice clean, fast, stable ROM and let people add what they need.
Thanks again for your work!
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I have been running the ROM for only one day, but I wanted to report some early things that I have noticed...
1) I am having the problem with the phone app openning after closing certain programs... Seems to pop up when using PHM regedit, settings, file explorer, SprintTV, and randomly with other apps
2) It appears that you have done some tweaks to the Touch keyboard, which is cool in my opinion, but there is a bug. In some web pages the Touch Keyboard will only give me the option to use the "123 page"...the keyboard simply will not change to the ABC or XT9 entry methods.
Overall functionally is very good, but these are two annoying issues that I have noticed thus far.

DCD do you know if there is a way to get the Keypad and keyboards ouf of the voge? I want to add them to my titan. I have a vogue and a titan. The ones posted on this site are the older keybaord files. the newer ones on teh vogue are a ton better and cleaner also work better. let me know asap thanks

argh...
I am having the problem with the phone app openning after closing certain programs... Seems to pop up when using PHM regedit, settings, file explorer, SprintTV, and randomly with other apps
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well, that really sucks. the vogue 1.12 phonecanvas package did this on my titan, 1.17 does not. wish i could find whats causing it. i will try to investigate.
2) It appears that you have done some tweaks to the Touch keyboard, which is cool in my opinion, but there is a bug. In some web pages the Touch Keyboard will only give me the option to use the "123 page"...the keyboard simply will not change to the ABC or XT9 entry methods.
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i did not mess with the keyboard...so i missed something...will check.

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well, that really sucks. the vogue 1.12 phonecanvas package did this on my titan, 1.17 does not. wish i could find whats causing it. i will try to investigate.
i did not mess with the keyboard...so i missed something...will check.
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Cool. Let me know if there is anything specific that you want me to test and give feedback on. Feel free to PM me.

Suggested reg edit
From what I can tell most people think TouchFlo is not usable out of the box. I have a reg sitting that has made it much more usable for me although it still does not solve some of the short comings. At any rate, here is the reg edit I use....
HKLM\Software\OEM\TouchFloSettings\FingerPressure >>> Change D-Word to 9000.
This makes finger drag scrolling 100 times better. I wish you had a vogue so you can test it. It makes selecting text somewhat more difficult at first, but then becomes very easy once you adjust. It is really worth it to make scrolling more natural.

All these ROMS

All i need is a simple basic working rom and links to programs that i want.
I like some of the roms here but alot are over complicated with programs i would never need or want.
A basic WM6 with a tweak program and the , MSN, HTC and Office Patches all up to date wouild suffice. (oh and doesnt take up 80% of the storage card)
anyone point me in that direction please

DUH ?!?! unbelievable

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365604

use a kitchen and cook one yourself, that or quit whining and look through the roms here and give them a try.

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use a kitchen and cook one yourself, that or quit whining and look through the roms here and give them a try.
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i have been doing that since friday and since my exprertise is not coding, or cooking i thought i better ask before i brick my phone.
didnt really expect a huge repsonce but being pishy about it isnt what i expected either.

The link I provided is the easiest ROM cooker there is.

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The link I provided is the easiest ROM cooker there is.
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thanks i will give it a try. Last time i tried something like this was slipstreaming a full OS build onto a machine that died on me. so im not overtly confident

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thanks i will give it a try. Last time i tried something like this was slipstreaming a full OS build onto a machine that died on me. so im not overtly confident
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sorry but im a windows point and click guy and In not confident enough to do any cooking. its not as easy as a slipstream and i aint riskign my phone to play with it.
ill go back to WM5.
at least i know it works and doesnt bring my phone to a complete halt
Thanks for those of you who helped

dont run away so quickly, there are some decent roms in this forum, just have a look around, SCHAPS has some good one,s go for an earlier clean WM6 though one that's been hammered, and has some updates, for some reason he doesn't seem to want to provide updates to his latest Beta for 6.1.
There are a few other good full roms but its all about what you want to use the device for, I also just need a clean one not one that a chef has put all their fave apps in which bloats the build, I'm currently trying out the Shadow one which seams ok at the moment, main reason for that choice was that it states he has tweaked the bluetooth, what he's done I don't know..
and saying you've been searching since Friday... some of us have been searching for the wholy grail of ROMS for a while, I too am not a coder and don't want to brick my rom, no matter how good the destructions are, they invariably will be for the non uber geeks amongst us

Yes don't go to WM5. WM6 is much stable, dependable and you can find some good ROMs here. Though not officially launched, people here are cooking for WM6.1. It feels a bit strange to see you are going back to WM5.
Firstly decide the use of your Herms device.
Check out the applications the chefs are offering in their ROMs or you can use a clean ROM and instal cabs afterwards if you donot want to cook or expert in doing for yourself. It all depends on your personal preferences, but I feel you should not give preference to WM5 over WM6.

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dont run away so quickly, there are some decent roms in this forum, just have a look around, SCHAPS has some good one,s go for an earlier clean WM6 though one that's been hammered, and has some upda....
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I am tryin shaps 4.31 lit now.
im searching for windows live and htc home latest versioons so i can load them up.

krismcewan said:
All i need is a simple basic working rom and links to programs that i want.
I like some of the roms here but alot are over complicated with programs i would never need or want.
A basic WM6 with a tweak program and the , MSN, HTC and Office Patches all up to date wouild suffice. (oh and doesnt take up 80% of the storage card)
anyone point me in that direction please
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It doesn't have the 'latest and greatest', but hey, often the latest is not the greatest either...
Take a look at D-Lite and SuperD-Light.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320010&highlight=superd-light

has anyone noticed how much slower wm6 runs on the 8525? I have two friends who purchased 8525's after I did, and theirs run much quicker with the old wm5 roms on them. Mine looks cooler, and has better functionality, but it seems to hang for extended amounts of time sometimes. Like when I'm replying to a text message, or just sliding the keyboard out, waiting for the screen to change into lanscape mode.

Windows 6.1 seems alot faster. you might try looking into one of the 6.1 lites. I'm useing pays with some luck

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Windows 6.1 seems alot faster. you might try looking into one of the 6.1 lites. I'm useing pays with some luck
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i coulndt get pays one to run. the loader kept crashing.
i am using Schaps 4.31 but its really really slow

krismcewan said:
All i need is a simple basic working rom and links to programs that i want.
I like some of the roms here but alot are over complicated with programs i would never need or want.
A basic WM6 with a tweak program and the , MSN, HTC and Office Patches all up to date wouild suffice. (oh and doesnt take up 80% of the storage card)
anyone point me in that direction please
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You may not quite get that combination but one of the numerous lite ROMs on the board may well suit.
Myself I'd recommend using Mattk_r's Pandora 6 (WM6.0, not WM6.1) and using the 3.60 Big Storage ROM. Very nice, stable combination. That way you can add in just a couple of things.
WM 6.0 Kitchen: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316881
Or you could just use his 'Naked' ROM for 6.0 and add just a tweak prog from a cab.
WM 6.0 Naked ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351274
I went up to the Pandora Naked 7 Kitchen and 'naked' ROM (still WM6.0) for a while then into the 6.1 'naked' ROM and kitchen with Pandora 8 & 9. Now I'm back with the 6.0 Kitchen and the 3.60 Big Storage ROM.

krismcewan said:
i coulndt get pays one to run. the loader kept crashing.
i am using Schaps 4.31 but its really really slow
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I ran Schaps 4.01 Full for a while without too many problems, I have just installed this one, as a base ROM, there are a few minor issues with the launcher app but I don't use it anyway http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372118 seems reasonably fast can't comment on stability as I've only had it installed for an hour or so.

If you don't want all the tweaks and apps the ROM is offering just do a soft reset after you align the screen. Be sure to get a connection wizard then just pick and choose the apps you want. If you want a .CAB for something PM the person that has the ROM and ask for it.

I have been running the shaps 4.31 and although i like it its very very slow.
it keeps freezing and it takes ages to do anything.
I know no one believes me when i say i had less problems with WM5 but its that bad im seriously considering it.
I still have no way of putting the pays rom on as the loader always crashes.
Anyone else got a 6.1 rom that they recomend i can try.

try vp3g's it's very stable and not too many extras

Which ROM is most like Josh's + CRC's rolled into one?

I've been flashing a fair few ROMs in the past week or so, and I've come to the realisation that I like two ROMs more than any others: Josh's M2DLite, and CRC's 13.4 release.
Frustratingly, there's just a couple of things wrong with each release that leave me stuck and unable to choose between them... I have a couple of recurring problems with Manila 2D (it sometimes crashes out when I try to load an email which is accessed through the Seven.com system, and I can't change the clock to be a digital clock instead of analogue hands). There's also some remaining small problems with memory usage, plus for some reason my install of M2DLite stopped allowing me to install new CABs ("installation unsuccessful").
By contrast, CRC's 13.4 release is almost perfect - the stock, basic WM Today screen, with a lovely plain black theme. It has Device Update and a load of nice extras. However, it doesn't ship with the option to install and run M2D (the more I used it, the more I slowly came to like it).
As a result, I feel like I'm 90% close to finding the perfect ROM. I hate all the ROMs with gaudy themes or colour presets, but frustratingly some of those ROMs look quite appealing, aside from those annoying customisations. I'm really at a loss as to which ROM is ideal for the person who prefers the minimalist, discreet look, but wants all the regular stuff like 3G dialer, HSDPA, Internet Sharing and MMS to work without a hitch.
What ROM have you guys settled on? Did you try loads, but then find one which you think is perfect (maybe after a little bit of customisation)? I'd love to hear your thoughts. WM6, WM6.1 and WM6.5 ROMs are all eligibile.

All of the reasons you stated, is exactly why I started cooking my own. I always found things I disliked about every rom I flashed.
utak3r released his darkvisions 4 kitchen, and it is a very nice base to build on for 6.1.
With your own rom, you can have your cake and eat it too, after a bit of trial and error.

That was something else I was contemplating... I have pretty much no idea where to start with cooking my own from a kitchen; you say utak3r's DV4 is a good base? I considered trying one of his ROMs but didn't like some of the modifications he'd done (naff-looking dialer, etc)
How long did it take until you got to where you wanted to be with your own custom ROM?

At first I felt like I was never going to get there! lol
I'm still playing with things and tweaking little things, I'm not the pro like the other guys here, so it takes me a bit longer. But I'll just to little changes and flash it to the phone, too many big changes at once makes it tough to troubleshoot a problem.
I'm back to tweaking and testing on utak3r's kitchen, I have a kitchen from josh all set up the way I want it, but, cooking is addictive.

christopherwoods said:
I considered trying one of his ROMs but didn't like some of the modifications he'd done (naff-looking dialer, etc)
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That's what this kitchen is for You can select your own desired apps (and the dialer, too).

Ooo, interesting... So, what does one need to download and install (aside from the kitchen) to get set up and cook with one of your kitchens?

Nothing - it contains all you need Maybe .Net and some runtimes - but you could have it already...

Ah, I tried your kitchen - there's some nice stuff in there, but unfortunately no Connection Setup (had to configure manually but I knew the data connection settings anyway). I did notice that the Contacts softkey was labeled as Kontakty, even though I'd made sure NOT to select the PL language option...
Aside from that, it was a pretty nice way to quickly customise ROM options. What's the best way to cook in new CABs? I noticed a lot of stuff in the OEM folder, but as well as what looked like the installed contents of CABs I saw a lot of other custom configuration files...

Glad to see you got it up and running quickly!
Here is cab2oem and package creator all in one zip.
cab to oem is drag and drop, and package creator is easy enough to figure out!

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cab to oem is drag and drop, and package creator is easy enough to figure out!
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true - although one have to keep in mind it doesn't work in some cases! It's a good starting point, but sometimes you have to manually create proper rgus and initflashfiles.

utak3r said:
true - although one have to keep in mind it doesn't work in some cases! It's a good starting point, but sometimes you have to manually create proper rgus and initflashfiles.
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You are right! I am about to attempt to see if I can edit/create one of my own. I wan't to see if I can make it work before I start asking for help on it though.
I have one program that won't properly make an oem with either of those programs. It's close, but missing something.

boog321 said:
I have one program that won't properly make an oem with either of those programs. It's close, but missing something.
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Check the files installed (including all the links) and check carefully the registry. I strongly advice you to use CeRegEditor, the best PPC registry editor on PC that exists (Polish product ) - you can make an image of the reg before installing it and compare it after - that way you can have all the registry changes were made.

Hello I am Necrolytic, a grindcore musician and graphic artist from Northern CA. I have been lurking here for over 9 months and just registered a month or so ago.... post one ha.
I run Josh's V15 M2D after seriously smashing through every rom 6.1 or higher on the top 4 pages, if not for one reason... It came loaded with crap and it actually works. In my short but insightful adventures with WinMo Roms I have found that bloated Roms are usually unstable or sluggish on my Hermes...a complete fail.
I ripped quite a few ROMS apart, checking to see what actually made the roms different or "better" from one another. Learning through reverse engineering and tinkering.
Skinning a common build and auto installing your own bloated playlist of .cab files shouldn't be considered Rom Cooking... that is just how I feel. I mean at least do something creative with the htchome coding and/or exclusive features... something.
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necrolytic said:
Hello I am Necrolytic, a grindcore musician and graphic artist from Northern CA. I have been lurking here for over 9 months and just registered a month or so ago.... post one ha.
I run Josh's V15 M2D after seriously smashing through every rom 6.1 or higher on the top 4 pages, if not for one reason... It came loaded with crap and it actually works. In my short but insightful adventures with WinMo Roms I have found that bloated Roms are usually unstable or sluggish on my Hermes...a complete fail.
I ripped quite a few ROMS apart, checking to see what actually made the roms different or "better" from one another. Learning through reverse engineering and tinkering.
Skinning a common build and auto installing your own bloated playlist of .cab files shouldn't be considered Rom Cooking... that is just how I feel. I mean at least do something creative with the htchome coding and/or exclusive features... something.
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Hello, and welcome to the forum!
Not sure if your directing your comment toward the op, or someone else. But that's kinda the way the thread is going. Leading someone towards the path of cooking their own rom.
There will be more for him to do than load a playlist of cabs!
There are all those little settings you like to have. All the programs you want, cooked in, not installed via cab, they will be there no matter what. Any theme you want, and today plugins you want, and in any order you want on the today screen. You can add/remove anything you want.
That's what most of the custom roms on this site are, the rom that the cook runs on their own phone (for the most part). Some cooks are doing custom roms for the community, but I bet they run that rom, or their own cooked variant.
I'm also hoping this thread will inspire more flashers to become cooks, maybe even you!
I am by no means a pro in the kitchen, I don't want to make it sound like I am. But I am getting by, and I love the roms I have cooked. If you think testing all the roms on the site is addictive, just wait till you cook a few roms, and debug, change settings, and cook those settings back into your own rom! then you'll really be hooked. I have been tempted to pick up a second hermes just for cooking and testing! haha