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I have now owned the xda mini s (wizard) for about 3 weeks and i am very happy with it. I have made some personal changes to the device to customise it to my liking. But there is still one thing that really annoys me! The camera! To be honest i think its rubish! the quality is so poor. Before this phone I owned a samsung D500 and the camera on that was so much better. Iv tried changing settings and stuff but it does'nt seem to make much difference. Inside shots are the worst, which is understandable anyway because normaly the light is poor inside. But still i would of have thought it would of had been better than what it is.
Just wondering what other peoples thoughts on this? also is there anyway of improving this ie software update. :shock:
Camera on MDA XDA all units with opaque flash
These cameras are the worst I have ever seen on any phone. The flash on the camera can be used as a flash light digging for trash in the middle of the night but thats about it.
The quality of the pcitures are terrible. They have to improve these cmos cameras or put a translucent brighter flash with better iso features
Some people wrote here that the camera quality became better after upgrading ROM upto 2.16.
I don't see any improvements at all!
Im glade some people agree with me on this one!
I agree completely.
But it is also amasing that no commercial camerasoftware is made.
It should not be so hard to create better pictures than the **** we have now.
Very true!! the quality of the photos you get out of the XDA mini-s is very very poor for today digital world of photos.
Talking about the software, I don't think its so much the software, its the hardware itself embeded in the phone.
If you look at the back of the phone next to the camara lens and the floodlights, its says 1.3 mega pixel. I don't think that is true.
I compared grandads photos taken with his Agfa-45 analogue camara during the secound world war to one of XDA mini-s out-door photo, and I ccould not fine no diffrence, with the exception of the colour.
Above all the phone itself is pretty cool..
It might be 1.3 Mega pixel, but i did hear from a bloke that was into cameras and he said its not just how many pixels the qulity depends on, its mostly the lense. But yer its a cool phone
Welll, having used my O2 Orbit to take some pictures outside recently (for the first time) I can only say I am disappointed with the results. Every photo appears to be blurred and out of focus around the outer edge of the photo. Is this the best I can expect of the built in camera? Or am I driving it wrongly? As far as I know, the settings are default and I am set for the best resolution. Is this how they are, or do I have a faulty one?
Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot.
Tony
The cameras on the Artemis are not brilliant, they should look ok on the phone, but on a PC they do usually end up blurry.
I'd say that it is normal, but you could play around with the settings to see if u can get a better pic. Sometimes the Multi-Shot setting is good for getting a non-blury picture, but it means you have to go through them all and choose the best one lol.
i have the same experience as u. i've been very dissapointed with the quallity of photos, even my 2 years old N6230i can make much more better pictures then this and after 5 months of using ORBIT i didn't find the way how to increase the quality. good luck
the only time i've had half decent photos, are in the middle of the day, outside, with the sun out (behind you) lol. The camera doesnt seem to like un-natural light (strip lights paticularly). Changing the settings only usually seems to change the Hue lol.
Its a mobile phone, not a digital camera.
People think that the megapixels mean its going to compare to a real camera but nothing could be further from the truth. The megapixles basically mean how big the image is. The quality is still down to the cmos sensor, lens type (in this case crappy plastic). Focus ability etc.
The artemis is a phone/PDA, not a camera. Infact no phone is a camera, they all have flaws.
Yep, not the best camera in my experience...
I assumed that like other phones you could still take pics at 2MP in L (640x480) to keep the file size down and still get a reasonable photo. Alas, the L (640x480) picture quality is so much poorer vs. the 2MP (1600x1200) so I'm guessing to get the best out your camera you need the 2MP mode in Super Fine.
I knew I was losing camera quality upgrading to the Orbit, but my decision was a calculated one. Yes, it's a shame the camera isn't the best, but I've gained so much more (that sounds so cheesy ).
It's because of the back cover!! Crazy!
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Clean your phone.
Actually i tested couple of times. And yes pictures do appear crispier and brighter without the back cover. Its due to the lens windows made of cheap plastic
You've made me waste 1.56 minutes of my life. That video was pointless in my opinion. Most photos were either the same quality, or were actually in focus second time round. Should have had both pictures side by side.
Just clean the back case every now and then and it won't be such a big deal.
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I don't get why people are always bashing the camera on the Desire. As far as I am concerned, it's excellent. It takes great pictures, they are clear and nice. I think many people are comparing phone cameras to expensive digital cameras. Just this fact alone makes me happy about the camera quality. It doesn't suck, you're just comparing it to something that is obviously going to be better, for the time being anyways. I remember when cameras on phones first came out. The phone I had actually had a camera attachment you could get. The quality was horrible. You could barely make out what you were taking a picture of. I have had lots of devices since then, and every one surprises me with how far cameras on phones have come. The camera on the Desire is great. It's got a great flash, great quality. I take pictures with it all the time, and they look almost as good as my actual digital camera. The flash isn't horrid either. LED flashes used to be little more then a joke. I never considered them even a half way attractive selling point until I got the Desire. It's nearly as good as a normal flash.
I'm pretty interested in the Xperia Play because it has really nice specs for a phone considering the price, even ignoring the focus on gaming. Less than £180 new and sim-free is ridiculously good. Up till now I've been using a ZTE Blade, which is okay but the camera is terrible, sound is weak, and it can be sluggish at times. I know the camera and sound is going to be better because it's a Sony Ericsson phone, but some reviews really laid into the phone for the crashing and lag.
So this phone's been out a while now and I've been hearing that Sony Ericsson have actually made efforts to improve this phone. What's the situation nowadays? Much improved? Also, can this phone play Flash? Last question; I heard this phone is great for retro gaming but the relevant software for it is being systematically removed from the Android Market. Is this true?
The Play is an excellent phone. Not a hardware monster but who really needs it.
Personally I think the camera in the Play is very very bad. Both software and hardware. The software often frooze for me, and the images are a noise-reduction fest in anyting than optimal light situations. By the way my camera doesn't even work anymore it's that bad. Always freezes when taking a picture and it doesn't save the image. Lucky for me I never use the camera in the phone I have a DSLR for that.
I have not experienced any crashing or lagging at all. Not more than any other Android phone. It's very stable and SE's launcher is fast, simple and nice looking. The sound is also very good with stereo speakers. In the 2.3.4 update you also get an "x-loud" option which makes the speakers volume very high.
SE has recently officially stated that the Play will get updated to ICS, the new Android platform. SE has shown they are serious in the Android business as they have become the best there is when it comes to updating their phones.
You can still find good emulators in the market but most of them has been removed yes. Though you can still download them from the internet and then just install them anyway. So not much of a difference really.
Cheers that's what I was hoping to hear. The camera bit's worrying though, because the camera is unfortunately quite important to me; I too own a DSLR and a couple of point and shoots, all of which are comfortably sitting at home whenever I find myself wanting them. Does anyone else have this bad an experience with the camera? If so I'll have to give it a miss.
I've never had the camera crash at all and mine takes decent pictures for what it is, its definitely not as bad as buddy is making it sound. He might also just have one of those problem phones where everything systematically crashes over time. I think its a great phone for what it is I'm running the latest build of cm7.2 with a custom kernel oc'd @ 1.5ghz and I couldn't be happier
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My Camera is pretty decent, Its nothing special but its not that bad.
The camera is pretty good for a 5mp, Much better than the 8mp in my old Desire HD, The camera flash works alright too. As for performance, Device performance is very good, the play lacks ram but makes up for it by having dual channel DDR2 ram. some emulators were removed from the market because the dev failed to keep to the GPL, but emu's like FPse are still there. also paulscode on xda is making an excellent port of a open source linux n64 emulator and has hinted when finished he will be looking at porting nullDC android.
Judge for yourself. I consider myself having pretty steady hands. At least with my DSLR.
In my opinion, this is very bad image quality with noise reduction all over the place.
http://dj-hostings.com/images/cam1.jpg
http://dj-hostings.com/images/cam2.jpg
http://dj-hostings.com/images/cam3.jpg
The camera is the only thing that has given me issues on my phone. They could have given us more of the Arc's software/hardware and it would be fine.
dannejanne said:
Judge for yourself. I consider myself having pretty steady hands. At least with my DSLR.
In my opinion, this is very bad image quality with noise reduction all over the place.
http://dj-hostings.com/images/cam1.jpg
http://dj-hostings.com/images/cam2.jpg
http://dj-hostings.com/images/cam3.jpg
The camera is the only thing that has given me issues on my phone. They could have given us more of the Arc's software/hardware and it would be fine.
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Really? You think that's BAD?? I thought your camera was gonna be crap, like this picture... http://farm1.static.flickr.com/224/501783062_260b774424.jpg
ff7fan4eva said:
Really? You think that's BAD?? I thought your camera was gonna be crap, like this picture... http://farm1.static.flickr.com/224/501783062_260b774424.jpg
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Yes I think that's bad. Maybe so I am spoiled by my DSLR and expecting too much. Not comparing the two though that's really unfair. I do not really take photos at all with mobile phones. To me the photos looks like a blur without any details. If all mobile phones have this photo quality then I can say I do not think any phone will have a "good" camera. Maybe that's just me.
For a phone, I think the camera quality is actually quite good. Maybe my Moto Backflip's camera is just that bad, but the PLAY's camera is 20x better than it (both are 5mp)
I'd say the Play's camera is pretty good and if you ever find the phone too slow, which you won't, you can easily crank it up with DoomLord's kernel quite easily.
dannejanne said:
The Play is an excellent phone. Not a hardware monster but who really needs it.
Personally I think the camera in the Play is very very bad. Both software and hardware. The software often frooze for me, and the images are a noise-reduction fest in anyting than optimal light situations. By the way my camera doesn't even work anymore it's that bad. Always freezes when taking a picture and it doesn't save the image. Lucky for me I never use the camera in the phone I have a DSLR for that.
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I take pictures also as a hobby with my SLR cam together with some of my friends who has SLR also.. but deymm, i never think that our phone has a crappy camera.. it takes somehow good picture using camera 360 app.. you said you are not comparing our phone's camera to a SLR cam, but that's what your doing..
TS, you can still get emulators here https://slideme.org/user/3168/applications/3168
I experienced lag on some few games coz i'm still on stock rom and locked BL, but not a big deal though for me..
Hello all,
Do you think the issues with the Galaxy Nexus camera are due to software issues or is the camera sensor just really that bad? It seems that the low light capability of this camera is even worse than that of the Nexus S. I've never had any issues with my camera phones in the past producing such crap photos as the one this phone produces(HTC Sensation, Nexus S and original Nexus). I'm thinking about just going back to my Nexus S and selling this one.
I've attached two photos that someone posted on Google+ illustrating how bad the Galaxy Nexus compares to the Asus Transformer Prime's camera. This is really frustrating and if I were Google and/or Samsung, I'd be embarrassed.
Not the same angle, not the same focus point which impacts the validity of this comparison.
Also note that there is a little bit more detail in the more grainy shot. This is something that actually could be improved with a software update.
Valynor said:
Not the same angle, not the same focus point which impacts the validity of this comparison.
Also note that there is a little bit more detail in the more grainy shot. This is something that actually could be improved with a software update.
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Hmm...each picture look pretty close to the same angle. I'm more concerned with the graininess of the Galaxy Nexus photo. It seems that the camera's ISO is too high which is why it's producing a grainy picture.
oracleicom said:
Hmm...each picture look pretty close to the same angle. I'm more concerned with the graininess of the Galaxy Nexus photo. It seems that the camera's ISO is too high which is why it's producing a grainy picture.
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It mainly comes down to a balance of exposure time, ISO, picture quality level of the sensor at that ISO and noise reduction algorithms/general software post-processing of the image.
I agree that there is quite some room for improvement in this area on the GN camera. I hope Google/Samsung will address this in an update someday.
Apart from this, any phone camera sucks at low light.
I find the camera really good. The only thing I find kind of strange is how photo's look in a dim room with flash on close up.
Videos look godly
Coming from the SG2 the Nexus certainly is a step backwards. What has impressed me about the Nexus camera is the ability to focus and stay focused, and snap shots almost instantly. The SG2 has issues with focus and delays. In movie mode the SG2 would come in and out of focus even when I have not moved the phone at all. Taking photos of moving objects on the SG2 is a real challenge because of its inability to focus, but having said that the photos that are taken properly do come out very sharp and vibrant, especially given enough daylight.
So where the Nexus improved vastly on focus speed, it fails in image quality. Even in moderate light I see more than usual noise from photos taken with the Nexus.
I look forward to the SGIII.
I just remind myself that I'm taking pictures with a phone. So I don't care. I also have not had issues with photos. Especially when I remind myself, again, that I am using a phone to take pictures with.
mzrdisi said:
I just remind myself that I'm taking pictures with a phone. So I don't care. I also have not had issues with photos. Especially when I remind myself, again, that I am using a phone to take pictures with.
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Yeah dude, I agree. If I want yo take sick photo's, I'd use a camera anyway, even if the phone is the best "camera" phone on the market. Its for quick shots. I agree aswell that the Gnex could be better... But I've seen/used worse. = )
mzrdisi said:
I just remind myself that I'm taking pictures with a phone. So I don't care. I also have not had issues with photos. Especially when I remind myself, again, that I am using a phone to take pictures with.
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Amen!
That's why I lug a DSLR around with me when I go away for work.
REAL camera = photography, cell phone = phone with a point & shoot camera built into it.
For indoor pics just set your phone to Party preset. Works best.
You can get similar / better results by manually choosing the white balance and exposure settings depending on your light conditions. But for quick snaps, just select party mode and see the difference.
Camera is more than decent.
Personally I am using Camera Zoom FX for most of the time. But in certain low light conditions, stock camera app with party preset actually does much better job.
This is one of the worst camera I seen in years.
This is what really holds me back from buying a GN these days...I would be interested in your guys thoughts: Do you think that there will be some software based improvements within the next weeks? Or is it just the lense (or some hardware stuff like that, not my terrain here^^), which can´t be improved?
brooon said:
This is what really holds me back from buying a GN these days...I would be interested in your guys thoughts: Do you think that there will be some software based improvements within the next weeks? Or is it just the lense (or some hardware stuff like that, not my terrain here^^), which can´t be improved?
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Hardware is always limiting. No amount of software can make something better than it physically can be. I'm not saying that updates cant fix the issues we're seeing, I actually believe the contrary. There is a lot you can do with software to really tweak things. But you can't compare a phone camera to a DSLR or something like it.
I personally believe google will update the camera but the question is when. Personally I think the camera is great. I think it depends on what you're used to taking pictures with, and how ocd/picky you are about quality. The SGS2 has better camera hardware, but do try to remember the issues it had when it first came out. The camera quality issues of it were patched up really nice with a software update so don't give your hopes up.
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Hardware is always limiting. No amount of software can make something better than it physically can be. I'm not saying that updates cant fix the issues we're seeing, I actually believe the contrary. There is a lot you can do with software to really tweak things. But you can't compare a phone camera to a DSLR or something like it.
I personally believe google will update the camera but the question is when. Personally I think the camera is great. I think it depends on what you're used to taking pictures with, and how ocd/picky you are about quality. The SGS2 has better camera hardware, but do try to remember the issues it had when it first came out. The camera quality issues of it were patched up really nice with a software update so don't give your hopes up.
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Thanks for your input! Yeah I´m coming from an SGSII, atm I´m on a Galaxy Note...so both of my current devices do have better hardware...in the past there was the HD2, which had some terrible software bugs, that have been worked out within months. The last roms I used with the HD2 really pushed the photoquality...
I came from the sgs2 and they are almost identical, I do find the nexus a bit sharper. Great macro
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I started using Shot Control over the stock camera app. It seems to do a better job of with the settings and does give a higher degree of fine tuning them. Give up the panorama mode though, which I love!
People want the highest quality, buy a freaking camera. Or get over it already, stop making this kind of threads.
i am completely dissatisfied with the camera on this phone. I came from a Nexus One to the Gnex. The Nexus one has an AMAAAZING camera on it. Of course HTC uses better hardware. Ill post comparison pics later... damn samsung!
how can i reduce the noise (or grain... i dont know the exact english term) in the pic??
the pics on first posts explain very good the problem.
thx a lot.
daffyno said:
how can i reduce the noise (or grain... i dont know the exact english term) in the pic??
the pics on first posts explain very good the problem.
thx a lot.
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In short...you can't. The hardware in a device this small can't do much more than that.