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Xda Excalibur vs Hermes comparison

Just let you know my comparison of the two units after 5 days with the Xda Cosmo after having the Trion for the last 4 months. My Girlfriend brought me the Excalibur as a pre Christmas gift 8)
After 4 months my Trion main speaker stopped working and I have currently sent it back to get it replaced. All in all I was quite happy with the Trion except for a few quirks.
1. Media Player was buggy with the storage card
2. Never got WM5orage working properly (either had to stopo all my programs running on the storage card which included removing items from the Today screen).
3. Screen alignment problem.
I got the Hermes originally as it looked like a device which I didn't have to use the stylus much to access most of the functionality and in 90% of cases I got by with just using the jog wheel and a couple of presses with my thumb (I had the very first xda device and was turned off by the need to use the stylus to do simple things such as dialing and looking up contacts )
I had noticed due to the operating system PPC vs smartphone the PPC needed much more processing power and hence battery life was preety much limited due to the power from the CPU 400mhz vs 200mhz ( maybe of the extra functionality needed for the touchscreen ).
Differences in the devices
1. Xda Excalibur is more responsive even with the slower CPU. Contacts work instantly on typing on the keyboard. On the hermes there is always a delay in searching for contacts.
2. Excalibur supports multiple languages in its rom and therefore there no need to reflash the rom with the rom with your appropriate language.
3. A2DP works flawlessly on Excalibur being aku 3.2. No need to install cab files to get it working and no sound quality issues and no need to get somone to write a bt stack driver to get around the microsoft one.
4. Programs in general for smartphone seem to be running better than on Pocket PC. Tomtom 6 Navigator doesn't run on the Cosmo but Tomtom 5 work just fine and performance actually seems better on the smartphone even with the lower CPU. Same is notice with other PPC vs Smartphone progams I have eg Skype and Fizz Traveller
5. Cosmo has 128 MB flash ram which is really useful as I was always trying to install everything on the SD card with the Trion to get as much memory possible for standard stuff such as emails, ringtones etc. Yes I know you can tweak the Hermes to get ringtones from the SD card but it just a hassle changing the registry settings.
6. For some reason Windows Live Beta works on the Cosmo. It stopped working on the Hermes about a month ago and never worked since. The smartphone version looks really nice as well and functions much better as I have noticed with all smartphone vs ppc programs.
7. WLAN works much better on the Cosmo compared to the Hermes eg handling of connection settings when WLAN is turned on. On the Hermes I always had to go through the process of changing my connection settings every time I switched by WLAN on an off.
8. Battery life on cosmo is much better. 3.5-4 days use compared to 1.5-2 days use on Trion. Probably because of CPU (I also changed the Hermes to GPRS only to try and save battery life due to UMTS draining the battery)
9. Not to sing all praises for the Excalibur. The only drawback I have found so far for my purposes is the Microsoft Office editing functionality is not possible on the smartphone.
10. 2MP camera vs 1.3 MP camera but I really cannot see much advantage in the quality as the 2MP wasnt that great to start with. Yes the Hermes has a led light but I doesn't really help with indoor photos. The 1.3 MP camera seems to be better quality than other 1.3 MP cameras before and for emails, web photos and MMS quality seems fine for my purposes as I wont ever print out photos from a camera handy.
11. Lack to UMTS/HSDPA on Excalibur. Loose the speed but you'll gain heaps on battery life.
12. Microsoft Media Player works with the SD card. No disappearing songs 8)
13. Price. The excalibur is less than 1/6 the price of the Trion on contract. My Girlfriend brought the Cosmo on contact for 60 Euro. I got the Trion for 320 Euro on the same contact.
14. and I think this is the killer. The excalibur have looks to die for. The Hermes is thick and although many people would say it is solidly built after using the Excalibur it makes the Hermes look like a oversized flimsy machine. The Excalibur is thin and compact with a large screen. Fits in your shirt pocket or even slide it into your jeans!!! HTC have outdone themselves with the build quality I haven't seen any phone build as solid including the razr. I fells like the device is made out of titanium or magnesium with a soft feel rubber all along the back of the device and for the keys as well, ( I cat't stop touching the device it feels sooo.. good ). My Girlfriend who is really fashion concious absolutely loves the look of the device. Photos on the net do not do it justice you have to see it in real to appreciate it's looks for me one look and it was love at first sight. (I first got a look at it from a female collegue who got the phone)
It took me a day to get used to the smaller keyboard and maybe bigger thumbs might have some problems but with rubber keys feel beautiful and make each key feel distinct during typing. The excalibur really is a one hand device even with the d pad and keys only. The touch slider is just a added bonus with flexibility.
After writing this I have noticed that this is more of a sales pitch for the excalibur than a comparison of the two devices but I have found my perfect device which does everything I need without any problems ( performance, bugs and quirks ). If you dont need the UMTS speed I must say Excalibur is the way to go. If you really need UMTS and 2MP camera then wait for the Calivier ( the UMTS /2 MP / 300Mhz version of the excalibur, rumoured to release in Spring next year ).
For me the excalibur seems to have a quite launch compared to the expectations of the Hermes maybe because on paper the Hermes looks better in terms of specifications but for usability it's excalibur all the way.
Now what to do with my Trion when it gets back?

it seems like you're really happy with the excalibur. i've moved from ppc to smartphone as well. overall i like the aspects you pointed out and i agree that the not having office editors built-in (and no word application) is too bad. the only real other thing i miss from ppc is the huge selection of software as what's available to the landscape qvga is much more limited. sell the hermes

I have both, HERMES (H) and EXCALIBUR (E), side by side and I add some comments.
Home screen:
- easy to have plugins in H home screen, a panic in E because smartphone homescreen XML mechanism
Usage
- no way to use H easily with one hand, easy with E
- generally faster E, the time you need to grab the device with left hand, take the stylus out, elongate... you've done 3 things with E
Boring Meeting
- Lot of things to play with H, less with E
Data transmission
- Forgot E if you aren't in an EDGE area or your provider doesn't support it(vodafone Italy in rome?) GPRS is to sloooooow
Summer
- H is a brick, no pocket were to put it, in a bag on your neck? Don't call CSI, they will never understand why those strange signs E is perfect
- No way to use H in a waterproof bag, E works perfectly
OS
Obvioulsly E AKU 3.0 (not 3.2 my HTC is 3.0) is better than H 2.3!
Is better a nice, fresh girl or an experienced, plastic surgeon addicted women? I want both!

sergiopi said:
Is better a nice, fresh girl or an experienced, plastic surgeon addicted women? I want both!
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Hahahahahaha! Sergio, you are the man. Absolutely right!

[REQ] Take camera pics in RAW mode.

Hi guys,
Explantion first.
I've Been messing with the settings in the camera to try and get a good picture, the preview looks good then the image is captured and displayed and it looks arse to be honest.
So this got me thinking we have a 5MP sensor good preview image it must be the jpg compression in the software which has reduced the quality.
We have no flash so we need all the help we can get and RAW will allow us to change the exposure and white balance.
So I am looking for a piece of software that will take the sensor info and save it as a RAW image. I had one for my N95 and it improved the camera quality no end. If not I may have to get Visual studio out and get coding

monzablue16v said:
Hi guys,
Explantion first.
I've Been messing with the settings in the camera to try and get a good picture, the preview looks good then the image is captured and displayed and it looks arse to be honest.
So this got me thinking we have a 5MP sensor good preview image it must be the jpg compression in the software which has reduced the quality.
We have no flash so we need all the help we can get and RAW will allow us to change the exposure and white balance.
So I am looking for a piece of software that will take the sensor info and save it as a RAW image. I had one for my N95 and it improved the camera quality no end. If not I may have to get Visual studio out and get coding
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That would be interesting but witch camera raw do you want to use? Because there are different camera raw formats like canon or nikon who have their own raw formats.

DNG tends to be a popular one which is digital negative but any RAW filetype would be a good starting point I think. Generally they are all the same and just dump the 5mp image as a full capture

This is a real good idea. And I think it is feasible, unfortunately we need someone skilled in prograamming to take a look at the code ( I assume the Camera.exe file) and somehow stop the image from being processed and just save to file.
Many times the frustration with HTC made me wish I studied computer science ( my initial plan ) instead of a biological major.

Is it worth it? I mean if one has the option why not but really is it worth it?

I think it is, yes. To be honest the camera app is the weakest point of the HD. The hardware is sufficient, but let down badly by the software.
I wonder if HTC have had enough comments and complaints to make them re-write it from the ground up?

I know it was possible on the N95, but the output in RAW mode was rubbish so was hardly worth it. I do agree though that the HDs camera could be better and its most likely a software issue

rovex said:
I know it was possible on the N95, but the output in RAW mode was rubbish so was hardly worth it. I do agree though that the HDs camera could be better and its most likely a software issue
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The main advantage of RAW data is when you come to using editing software... there is just more data to play with.

True, i know the output from the N95s RAW app was only 640x480 though, whether thats a limitation of the N95s other hardware systems i dont know.

[Q] Camera and image quality - as bad for everyone else or just me?

A lot of fuss was made over the "ImageSense" chip in the One series, especially the One X and One S, but when an HTC tweet mentioned a blog post (also by HTC employees) where they took it out on a trip and took some shots I was eager to see the results. The first impression was that the thumbnails looked great so I clicked through to the full-size images and ......... that's where I sat in shock at how really poor the image quality was. There was noise in around 50% of the image, lack of detail in most areas and it just plain sucked.
I commented on the article, as did others, all commenting on how poor it was for a supposed fantastic camera with all new ImageSense chip. After a while the person who posted the photos replied saying they were uploaded in reduced quality to save on load times and that full versions would be uploaded soon. At that time the full size images that I'd seen were removed. No new images were posted the last time I looked and as I now own the One X I've seen for myself that, sadly, this is the actual quality of the camera. No matter the light or subject I have noise and lost detail all over.
Is my experience here unique or are others finding that, for a supposedly fantastic camera phone with new chip specifically for photos, it just plain sucks?

Photos taken with HOX have a lot of noise indeed.. Sadly, HOX camera cannot compare to my ex iPhone 4s' camera.
EDIT: you might wanna look into that thread.

It's not that the sensor is bad, it's just really really bad compression on the pictures that is applied by the stock camera. Using a different camera app yields much sharper images.

Can you be more specific what app are you using? Isn't compression done before image even reaches any app?

Of course not, compression is performed only when dumping the image to storage. Until then, it's only RAW memory.
I'm facing the same issue now.. I must try another Photo APP...
Any ideas?!

Maybe is the compression you can try to use camera fv-5
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

I also feel that the camera isnt up to the standard as my old iPhone 4 was. Thought it was just me.
Anyone have a suggestion for a good app that will decrease noise on photo's?

I have problem too
Dyonas said:
A lot of fuss was made over the "ImageSense" chip in the One series, especially the One X and One S, but when an HTC tweet mentioned a blog post (also by HTC employees) where they took it out on a trip and took some shots I was eager to see the results. The first impression was that the thumbnails looked great so I clicked through to the full-size images and ......... that's where I sat in shock at how really poor the image quality was. There was noise in around 50% of the image, lack of detail in most areas and it just plain sucked.
I commented on the article, as did others, all commenting on how poor it was for a supposed fantastic camera with all new ImageSense chip. After a while the person who posted the photos replied saying they were uploaded in reduced quality to save on load times and that full versions would be uploaded soon. At that time the full size images that I'd seen were removed. No new images were posted the last time I looked and as I now own the One X I've seen for myself that, sadly, this is the actual quality of the camera. No matter the light or subject I have noise and lost detail all over.
Is my experience here unique or are others finding that, for a supposedly fantastic camera phone with new chip specifically for photos, it just plain sucks?
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I also have the same problem and have not found a solution, even though my phone is a htc one x +. See this link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2264896

Dyonas said:
A lot of fuss was made over the "ImageSense" chip in the One series, especially the One X and One S, but when an HTC tweet mentioned a blog post (also by HTC employees) where they took it out on a trip and took some shots I was eager to see the results. The first impression was that the thumbnails looked great so I clicked through to the full-size images and ......... that's where I sat in shock at how really poor the image quality was. There was noise in around 50% of the image, lack of detail in most areas and it just plain sucked.
I commented on the article, as did others, all commenting on how poor it was for a supposed fantastic camera with all new ImageSense chip. After a while the person who posted the photos replied saying they were uploaded in reduced quality to save on load times and that full versions would be uploaded soon. At that time the full size images that I'd seen were removed. No new images were posted the last time I looked and as I now own the One X I've seen for myself that, sadly, this is the actual quality of the camera. No matter the light or subject I have noise and lost detail all over.
Is my experience here unique or are others finding that, for a supposedly fantastic camera phone with new chip specifically for photos, it just plain sucks?
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Camera of HTC One X is one of the worst camera since HD2, even HD2 has better camera. The only good thing here is HDR mode, which is also not so good.
One X produces photos with so much noise, dynamic range varies and contrast is bad, and on direct light cant compare even with old Blackberry phones like 9780 or 9800 torch. Colors turn to be cold/blue. Photos are washed out etc etc There are no life in photos.
One X and One followed with BIG ADVERTISEMENTS and MARKETING CAMPAIGN, they are not good camera phones. I was naive to buy it. Now im searching to replace with Incredible S or Sensation even HD2.
HTC Sensation equiped with much better camera. Blacberry 9810 and 9800 has 10x better cameras. Not to mention N8 or E7 Nokia.

Yes, but your sig still says bless HTC..
I changed to SGS4 and the camera is the best i'e seen.. think about doing the same. No hope for Hox..
Cheers!

Phk said:
Yes, but your sig still says bless HTC..
I changed to SGS4 and the camera is the best i'e seen.. think about doing the same. No hope for Hox..
Cheers!
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I have made AWESOME pictures with the cyanogenmod camera APP. And now I reverted to stock and the only difference I get is that images are no longer sharper but after an auto enhance edit I get some pretty nice colors and I'm glad with the pictures again.. I wasn't glad with the macro shooting of cyanogenmod and I wasn't glad with the system overall that's why I got to stock.
Thanks ,Dan.
USING HOX

Phk said:
Yes, but your sig still says bless HTC..
I changed to SGS4 and the camera is the best i'e seen.. think about doing the same. No hope for Hox..
Cheers!
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funny but im not giving up on HTC as ive mentioned.
i will buy sensation or one v.
it is very bizzare company politics of HTC to announce three new models One v, one s and One x and ONE V which is 'value model' has way better camera than 'superior' A class ONE X.
and what we are... donkeys... it is all about some software (loaded on purpose because of that competition stuff) i suppose, same chip, same camera software two different photo qualities,

Quality camera

Hello
I'm going to buy this phone. but I've heard various descriptions of quality mobile photography ( Elephone p8000)
I need to have a few pictures under various conditions
I finished so I can take your pick.
Please take a few photos taken with a camera in here to share in different lighting conditions
Thank you

saba_mehdy said:
Hello
I'm going to buy this phone. but I've heard various descriptions of quality mobile photography ( Elephone p8000)
I need to have a few pictures under various conditions
I finished so I can take your pick.
Please take a few photos taken with a camera in here to share in different lighting conditions
Thank you
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I can tell you that the camera is good in the daylight but very poor for low light?
Oh yeah... The macro is terrible(read no macro) since the 05112015 update till today. Except from that the phone is very very very good. Especially if you have Eragon custom rom! But if the camera is no. 1 thing for you buy m2 or wowney...

dkzg said:
I can tell you that the camera is good in the daylight but very poor for low light?
Oh yeah... The macro is terrible(read no macro) since the 05112015 update till today. Except from that the phone is very very very good. Especially if you have Eragon custom rom! But if the camera is no. 1 thing for you buy m2 or wowney...
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Pretty much this.
Camera takes pretty OK pictures in good light, terrible pictures in low light and doesn't macro well.
If you are looking for a good and reliable camera, you should look elsewhere (and spend more, most likely).

Camera is decent for a China mobile phone.
Sometimes the edges are a bit blurry but it's okay.
And in my opinion low light pictures are decent as well.
I mean it's the same sensor as the one inside the Galaxy S4 but the software is not well adapted to the sensor with our P8000.
Look at THIS POST HERE
I have no issues with Macros at all. Not with the "workaround" and not without. :good:

dkzg said:
I can tell you that the camera is good in the daylight but very poor for low light?
Oh yeah... The macro is terrible(read no macro) since the 05112015 update till today. Except from that the phone is very very very good. Especially if you have Eragon custom rom! But if the camera is no. 1 thing for you buy m2 or wowney...
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The phone has quality problems. The camera is slow (focus lock) and failed while using apps like Whatsapp.
The operating system loader has bugs.

Im using Eragon and HTC camera app. I can beautiful pictures. But to focus takes a little long. I'm hoping Android marsmellow release from elephone brings some improvement. But I definitely recommend this phone but only if you use a custom ROM it's so much beter then the stock ROM
Verstuurd vanaf mijn Elephone P8000 met Tapatalk

saba_mehdy said:
Hello
I'm going to buy this phone. but I've heard various descriptions of quality mobile photography ( Elephone p8000)
I need to have a few pictures under various conditions
I finished so I can take your pick.
Please take a few photos taken with a camera in here to share in different lighting conditions
Thank you
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hi @saba_mehdy . are you from iran ?! i bought this phone and i use this for 1 month . if you want to know about my experience and you are iranian too , contact with me for easier correspondence in sweet persian language

and also my phone camera work very well . it work for me beyond of my expect . i upload some photos taken by myself .
links :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2IX5yJmKyEdTjFVaWM2cXBYQVk/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2IX5yJmKyEdMWVvV3lVQXU5ams/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2IX5yJmKyEdek1mYm52QVpZd2M/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2IX5yJmKyEdRE9pY09rLW1fMkE/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2IX5yJmKyEdRjBtaXBKQTVteDQ/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2IX5yJmKyEdb0Jha2plb05tdm8/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2IX5yJmKyEdUkdYaW82d2sxUjA/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2IX5yJmKyEdSHlicmdENTBndE0/view?usp=sharing

He2isenberg said:
hi @saba_mehdy . are you from iran ?! i bought this phone and i use this for 1 month . if you want to know about my experience and you are iranian too , contact with me for easier correspondence in sweet persian language
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WOOOW can you speak persian?
give me your ID telegram for to discuss together

He2isenberg said:
and also my phone camera work very well . it work for me beyond of my expect . i upload some photos taken by myself .
links :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2IX5yJmKyEdTjFVaWM2cXBYQVk/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2IX5yJmKyEdMWVvV3lVQXU5ams/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2IX5yJmKyEdek1mYm52QVpZd2M/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2IX5yJmKyEdRE9pY09rLW1fMkE/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2IX5yJmKyEdRjBtaXBKQTVteDQ/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2IX5yJmKyEdb0Jha2plb05tdm8/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2IX5yJmKyEdUkdYaW82d2sxUjA/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2IX5yJmKyEdSHlicmdENTBndE0/view?usp=sharing
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Hello mate,
Have you taken this from Elephone P8000? The pics are amazing. Which camera app and which rom and kernel. I won't get anything even close even if I jump from a building .
Can you please help us amateurs to calibrate settings to get such pics.
Thanks,

Good app i Snap Camera. You have options like in digital camera. I've use from copule of weeks and in my oppinion is much better than orginal stuff.

Super low light comparison (auto and manual) with my beloved old z1 compact

first time on xda, maybe i posted in the wrong section. i'm just a noob, my english isn't that good either.
just wanted to share my thought on the camera, overall i'm impressed despite the underwhelming review i come across the internet.
also to help people who still concern about the camera performance, the lowlight is even brighter than my perfectly healthy eye.
check this out oi66 . tinypic . com/34g4tx3.jpg (i put space because i can't post an outside link, 10 post rule)
man this phone got bad a camera review, i just wonder how good phone like samsung, iphone, google pixel are which always got high praise on their camera..

anjargun said:
first time on xda, maybe i posted in the wrong section. i'm just a noob, my english isn't that good either.
just wanted to share my thought on the camera, overall i'm impressed despite the underwhelming review i come across the internet.
also to help people who still concern about the camera performance, the lowlight is even brighter than my perfectly healthy eye.
check this out oi66 . tinypic . com/34g4tx3.jpg (i put space because i can't post an outside link, 10 post rule)
man this phone got bad a camera review, i just wonder how good phone like samsung, iphone, google pixel are which always got high praise on their camera..
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I couldn't get you link to work, shame. Yes, the camera did get a bad review, but given the technology packed into the phone, I think it should do better than it does. I did a side by side comparison to the Z3 compact and for quite a few of the pictures the Z3 won. I think it was a mistake to put such a wide angle lense on the phone. Yes, it was a good for vistas and views, but the sensor chip struggles with close up work. The camera was useless until Sony released a 'fix' for it. I don't understand how a phone go through the manufacturing process without anyone testing the lense/sensor combination. It's better than it was, now the fix is in place, but it's not the best camera Sony have made.
Manual mode every time, take the iso and shutter speed out of auto and get the shutter down as slow as possible. If you can find the time to put the phone on a tripod, the difference is amazing.

Didgesteve said:
I couldn't get you link to work, shame. Yes, the camera did get a bad review, but given the technology packed into the phone, I think it should do better than it does. I did a side by side comparison to the Z3 compact and for quite a few of the pictures the Z3 won. I think it was a mistake to put such a wide angle lense on the phone. Yes, it was a good for vistas and views, but the sensor chip struggles with close up work. The camera was useless until Sony released a 'fix' for it. I don't understand how a phone go through the manufacturing process without anyone testing the lense/sensor combination. It's better than it was, now the fix is in place, but it's not the best camera Sony have made.
Manual mode every time, take the iso and shutter speed out of auto and get the shutter down as slow as possible. If you can find the time to put the phone on a tripod, the difference is amazing.
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oi66 . tinypic.com/34g4tx3.jpg (don't forget the 0i66) just wait till it load
well i never know the close up problem tho, is it like can't shoot macro shot or something like that?
are u sure z3 won over the xz1? because i also do that first time trying to compare to the z1. but then i realize it was my mistake because the phone keep shooting in different mode, but if it the same mode xz1 won, everytime

anjargun said:
oi66 . tinypic.com/34g4tx3.jpg (don't forget the 0i66) just wait till it load
well i never know the close up problem tho, is it like can't shoot macro shot or something like that?
are u sure z3 won over the xz1? because i also do that first time trying to compare to the z1. but then i realize it was my mistake because the phone keep shooting in different mode, but if it the same mode xz1 won, everytime
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I also had a z1 and z3, and they were good (z1 with some Sony' camera mod was the best!). And yes, in night mode z3 it's better than our new xz1 (but it's at will be covered maybe with patches or mods, maybe in future, because our sensor can take picture with iso lower than it can use now in stock camera app)
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PeppeBove said:
I also had a z1 and z3, and they were good (z1 with some Sony' camera mod was the best!). And yes, in night mode z3 it's better than our new xz1
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I do not believe! there are examples? xz1 much better in poor lighting

anjargun said:
first time on xda, maybe i posted in the wrong section. i'm just a noob, my english isn't that good either.
just wanted to share my thought on the camera, overall i'm impressed despite the underwhelming review i come across the internet.
also to help people who still concern about the camera performance, the lowlight is even brighter than my perfectly healthy eye.
check this out oi66 . tinypic . com/34g4tx3.jpg (i put space because i can't post an outside link, 10 post rule)
man this phone got bad a camera review, i just wonder how good phone like samsung, iphone, google pixel are which always got high praise on their camera..
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Wow, SUPER impressed with your low light results while in manual mode. I tried recreating those results in low light conditions myself, but couldn't find the right settings to see that big of a difference. Would you mind sharing the settings you used to achieve that? Thanks!

I see on 4pda people are advising to use SnapCamera. I wonder what is the difference between stock, Snapcamera, and Gcam (if available)?