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Are the Dash and the Blackjack the Same?

Hi,
To my understanding is the dash and the blackjack share the same hardware. If I were to CID unlock my blackjack would the WM6 rom update work?
I assume the hardware is the same but I cant find any post of users that have blackjacks here except ones that ask for support or hacks and cant find any here..
can someone clear this up... i know is sounds dumb but if you had a blackjack its like a western town with tumble weeds passing by for information or hacks...

NO. It won't work.

damn blackjack user are left in the dark?
can someone give details about what the hardware difference is?
and how come XDA doesn't not have a black jack section if the hardware/roms are not interchangeable

Probably because this is an xda forum, meaning HTC products, although that doesn't explain why they have a treo section.
try howard forums.

mtvkilledusall said:
Probably because this is an xda forum, meaning HTC products, although that doesn't explain why they have a treo section.
try howard forums.
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to my understanding HTC actually produced the Treo's hardware

hay112 said:
to my understanding HTC actually produced the Treo's hardware
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hmm... so it is. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=280545
how interesting.
So the answer is;
They don't have a Blackjack forum because it's not an HTC product.

But it is an XDA forum not a HTC forum. The XDA's are not necessarily HTC phones.

The reason for the xda-dev is due to the fact that HTC used to OEM phone for the telco company without a proper technical support (e.g. the telco know nuts about the OEM phone) or possible upgrades. As such, HTC phone users join forces and created this forum to help each other to solve daily problems with the phones. As such, it is meant to be within HTC products.
All the phone listed here are made by HTC only. And yes, the Treo is using the HTC OEM's hardware. The only "hiccup" on this forum is the Atom, which is not made by HTC (not awared of this when it is being added).

So just to clear something up, if the XDA Zinc had made it to the streets, would that be on here ?

Can you make a mini-forum for Dell Axim users?

I know the XDA-Developers mission statement is "This site is about certain PDA-phones, made by a secretive firm called HTC in Taiwan.", but our non-phone Dell Axim x50's and x51's were also manufactured by HTC (I believe it was codenamed the HTC Colorado). Due to the new wm6 ROMs being built for our units by developers here, and the lack of support by DELL and other sites, many of us are coming here. It would be great to have a place to discuss the cool apps being created by the "XDA developers" that work, or dont work, on non-phone HTC devices and share tips and tweaks to get them working best on our devices.
I would suggest a category under "Other HTC manufactured phones" called "HTC manufactured PDA's" or "HTC manufactured non-phones", then we could list the different devices under their code names (Colorado = Dell Axim x50 series, Galaxy = Qtek/Imate , etc) or group them all together as a start to see how much traffic they get. (That is if you can find it in your heart to include us non-phone HTC device users )

I will second that.

me too.
Those threads only apply to particular HTC-built models, and are of no interest for those who doesnt own an HTC Axim.
Pls lets make a sub forum for Axims and move there those threads. both Axim owners and non owners would benefit.

Updated: check for updates

vlodeck said:
Due to the fact the Dell Axim is not an HTC device, there will be no forum or mini-forum for this PDA. Thank you.
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Actually, like I said in the first post, the Dell Axim v50 and x51 series was manufactured by HTC, and sold by Dell. It may not be an HTC phone, but it is an HTC device.
Look at this old review of the x50v when it came out.
The key part is:
While HP went to a blockier industrial form factor, Dell worked with HTC to come up with a slim, light unit with rounded features similar to the HP iPAQ 4150. ...The X50 is rock solid, and I couldn't get the PDAs to twist or creak. I haven't seen a device this solidly built in quite some time--except for my new MDA III, which I am also reviewing and that was also built by HTC.
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Also this Blog entry "Axing el Axim Or Why Dell’s PocketPC had to go "
Lets begin our journey with a visit to the Axim’s source - HTC. The Dell Axim essentially is a design by HTC(which, according to some industry insiders was rejected by HP); Dell just stamps its brand logo onto it and manages the distribution. So, HTC produces and Dell makes the big margins… . This combination stands behind many PocketPC smartphones(with a carrier instead of Dell) for sale in Austria and has worked well so far…
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You would be correct in saying it is not an XDA, but it is an HTC. Because the Dell Axim is mostly compatable with the stuff being discussed here (sans the phone stuff), you are probably getting increased traffic from us Dell users. But if it is too 'off topic' to create a common area for us, I guess we will be forced to hang out in the General forum. I can live with that (this is still a great site for advanced users).

Ok, my bad. Although I have to admit that HTC was a vital part of the axim manufacturing I have to say I'm not quite convinced that such forum should be created.
I'll pass this matter to the moderator forum though. Take a deep breath and hold on.

Ok. We have reached the verdict. There simply won't be any dell specific forum on xda-developers. Thanks for your attention.

I just think that there should be a forum for the axim because this site has become and is mostly about HTC manufactured devices and not all of the devices were offered to the public with the HTC branding, we had to purchase them with other companies that applied their logos and software. This site, i admit that it was created for pda-phones but this site has also grown and we should realize that most of the people here all use HTC devices. I do understand why not to add a thread for the Axim but we should add at least a "PPC-only" or "Other HTC Manufactured Devices" thread so that the general forums would be freed up for pda-phone topics.
I my self just bought a Axim but have a better trust in this site then others because this site was the only one that did not flame me when i was a noob (now it does flame noobs but thats because noobs don't read these days) and helped me in giving me information.
I say add a thread for the HTC Axim but if not add one for general pda's but that were manufactured by HTC, because in the future we will have a large community of Axim users and the posts will be mixed with other topics. Lets keep it organized before we get over whelm with trying to organize the forums.
Thanks, Adolfo N.
PS: I know about your verdict about not adding the thread but just wanted to say this and maybe change your mind. Thanks Again.

LOL Oh well, maybe theres an abandoned section (where no recent posts have been made) here we can use and talk there.
Everyone involved with X5#v would just have to mark in their sigs as to where we are now. :/
It might not be an Axim sub forum but atleast we'd have some order to the vast thread piles that are soon to come.
LOL reason being we can't even hold these talks at "Axim"site , sad really...

vlodeck said:
Ok. We have reached the verdict. There simply won't be any dell specific forum on xda-developers. Thanks for your attention.
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I wont question "the verdict" as this is their site to moderate as they please. It was worth a shot. (At least they are allowing the Axim threads and not banning them altogether). I still can track my own list of interesting threads by subscribing to them. It just makes it difficult for quickly seeing new threads among the others in the general forum. I suggest posters of Dell specific threads should all place 'DELL AXIM' and the model number in the beginning of the thread topic so they can be found with a simple search.
The sad thing is that HTC makes great PDAs as well as Phones. Its not just that Dell abandoned the Axim line, but the industry (and the forums) are abandoning the PDA-only format altogether. (Even Aximsite has moved more toward the all inclusive MobilitySite by merging them). My request was not just for a DELL specific forum, but for an HTC PDA-only specific area where the Dell Axim would be just a part.
But as vlodeck said, "There simply won't be any Dell specific forum on xda-developers." End of story.

nonpaq said:
I wont question "the verdict" as this is their site to moderate as they please. It was worth a shot.
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My request was not just for a DELL specific forum, but for an HTC PDA-only specific area where the Dell Axim would be just a part.
But as vlodeck said, "There simply won't be any Dell specific forum on xda-developers." End of story.
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May be the "court of appeal" gives a second thought about it.
Forum thus becaming tidier for the benefit of both owners and non owners of PDA non phone edition.

having more names gives it more exposure so maybe its agood thing
Not about the money, but you are in a room full of wood chucks and politicians dell may have never kicked in to one these countries or its personal cause things change quick and thats for sure in hear. But until you can get a post a day maybe just use the main board i mean i ask for **** and its right place. XDA is what this is and u got to respect that but i guarantee its personal opinion which to me is good for not selling but bad cause sometimes things when you use emotion rather than logic!
I would appreciate that you might get what u need here stay long enough you'll get to an all dell place for sure just don't say anything it very sensitive here. I didn't realize what continent i was on.

I'd like to see a Blackjack II forum

Good afternoon. I've been a big fan of XDA-Developers since getting a Cingular 8525 and wanted to upgrade the phone with the latest skins and software. The forums are amazing, and I highly recommend them to everyone.
However, the Smartphones forums are a bit lacking. And after my 8525 died over Christmas, at just a year and 4 months old... I decided to go with a Smartphone for it's replacement instead of another 8525. Which means I now need help with GPS's for Smartphones, configuration, etc.
Would LOVE to see a Blackjack II forum added to the site. Best wishes!!!

Not manufactured by HTC = no1 gives a damn about it here.

I have to agree that it would be awesome to have and XDA-like forum for other non-HTC WinMo phones. I am sure there is a fair amount of interest in this too. It would be great if some founding members could start a sister site for phones by Motorola, Samsung, i-Mate, and others.
I know it would be a major undertaking but the WM community would love it.
Does anyone know of a site like XDA that already exist for other manufacturers?

I think it would be a great thread to have!!
This community is great and there are many helpful people on this board! It would be nice to have a spot for the blackjack II as so many fixes and apps are OS wide not just device specific!
And a note to capncucci, Lose the attitude, no one needs it. I for one would love a board as I passed up a Tilt to get the BJ II. And am very happy with my decision! So yes, there are others who "give a damn"

I just sold my Tytn and bought a BJII so I'm in.

Me too. I have searched all over for BJ II related threads and Info. MoDaCo has been great in this respect but it's not as in depth as I would like it. A dedicated hack and resolution thread would be ideal...
The GPS is crying out for a look see under the hood...it only works with minimal apps and needs a good serve of reverse engineering....But that's not all.
Hopefully it will take off. I have moved away from HTC products due to some reliability issues and ease of use...they still rock but aren't the be all and end all of phones. I moved from an AT&T 8525 to the BJII for the size, weight, and dedicated numeric keypad....

agreed. BJII forum would be cool.

spring777 said:
agreed. BJII forum would be cool.
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but it's never going to happen, sorry.

You could try over at ppcgeeks.com. They already have a virtually unused Blackjack forum. It seems the knowledgebase there is mainly focused towards the HTC CDMA PPC phones (Apache and Titan).
I wish there was a BJ forum here too, this seems to be where all the people with technical knowledge hang out. I would like to port the BJII ROM into the old BJ.

i agree a bj2 forum here would be great. I understand that this is a HTC site but the blackjack 2 has alot of oppurtunity.

I found this forum yesterday:
http://www.blackjackusers.com/
I tried to join, but never received the activation email. It's mainly about the original BJ, but judging by the domain name, I'm guessing they'd be more than happy to open it up to BJ2 users. It's the only site I've found so far that even mentions (and offers links to) cooked ROMs for the original BJ so that's a good sign.

hey BJII users, can someone upload their SD card drivers please? us i760 users are having SDHC card issues and want to try yours out. We need
sdbus.dll
sdmemory.dll
they are located in the windows directory.
Thanks for any help you can provide!

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hey BJII users, can someone upload their SD card drivers please? us i760 users are having SDHC card issues and want to try yours out. We need
sdbus.dll
sdmemory.dll
they are located in the windows directory.
Thanks for any help you can provide!
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ill do my best
er, this is old thread, do u still need these?

Non HTC Device thread

Hi all
A while ago i started a forum for the omnia and other windows mobile devices, it a very similar style to xda (the same) but it features only non HTC devices
now all thats neded is you. if you own a non htc device and have asked for a forum to be included here for it. (dont complain about the policy in place, its there for a reason and this is not whats this thread is for)
please write what devices you would like to see or you know of high demand please post it here
we already have an XDA Stealth forum and the upcoming Toshba tg01 Lg k900 and acer dx900
any other sgestions are welcome

My ol' man has my old nokia E62. A forum (real one) for symbian would be cool. I hate em but would love to rweak his

sorry i shouldve written windows mobile

In this part of the world atleast, MotoQ and MotoQ9h is pretty popular. So you might want to add them. It's my 420th post, but I am serious
Also a whole lot of pple are requesting for LG KS20

cheers, thats wjhat m talking bout
im also thinking off adding the flame but there is already xda flame users

WinModevelopers.co.cc wants you!
Hehehe Nice! we have reaching 261 registered users on our forum and we have many threads and forums like this:
Samsung i617
Samsung i780
LG KM900
Gigabyte MS808
Asus P835
Samsung i607
Samsung GT-C6625
Asus P565
XDA Stealth
Toshiba TG01
Acer DX900
LG KS20
MWG Zinc II
Samsung Omnia i9xx
And more upcoming! just feel free to join us, is a flame free forum and newbie friendship contact, we'all the staff are filling it, and we need you to fill it too with info we have lots now but we are expecting to have more.
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Thanks for all and keep it in mind lots of cabs... lots of info...
just on winmodevelopers.co.cc
+ Que PPC

couldnt have sed it better myself
and i appreciate the fact the site is looked at all
thanks for the clarfication and input guys

added new hp ipaq 6xx and 6xx c phone forums

what about general brand forums? like
hp
- xxx
- xxxc
asus
- P735
- P750
- M530
and so on? for each point another subforum with general, roms/upgrading, accessories.
i'm intrested because i'm looking for a good asus p750 forum but all i found was a non vistited, poorly informed clone of an russian board where no word english is spoken
maybe if you can get some good developers over to your board non-htc device will become more customized with roms etc.

there are a few reasons for the brand specific forums
firstly the IPB forum software used will not allow a category within category then forum setup
so i cant have
HP IPAQ
> Ipaq 600
>ipaq 600 general
ipaq accessories
secondly as this forum is to cater non htc devices but in the same manner and xda the boards are to be kept as close as possible, ALTHOUGH there is no endorsment or sponsorship involved this site is independant
the asus devices mention will be considered if they arent made by htc as this swerves away from creating friction with xda

Thanks mike!
So sorry for my other words i dont mind to make a partnership, just i think it once,

New Forums on XDA?

Hey Everyone,
As mentioned in my earlier post (please read if you have not yet already), we are considering adding non-HTC forums to the site, and are curious to hear which ones should be first. We're considering devices such as the Motorola Droid/CLIQ, plus the Samsung Omnia II and/or Acer neoTouch. What are your thoughts? We're listening!
P.S. The below excerpt is taken from my first post, and should help answer some questions.
svetius; said:
Finally-- and hopefully this doesn't cause a mass uproar-- we are considering the idea of selectively adding non-HTC device forums (focused on Windows Mobile and Android devices). Every day we get requests from users for this, and there's really no good reason why we cannot oblige them. Already the discussion is happening in the general forums. That said, we will only add new forums if: 1. We are confident added traffic won't cause site speed to suffer; 2. We can recruit quality moderators; and 3. The content and discussion is of high quality. The only way to know these things for sure is to try it out. So, within the next 14 days we are going to add two or three non-HTC forums. The delay is to ensure the site continues to operate at a reasonable speed and so we can figure out where to put the new forums (the forum homepage is already absurdly long and cluttered). We are open to suggestions as to deserving devices for our first non-HTC forums, so give us your ideas in this thread.
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MOD EDIT - The following devices are due to be added Thursday morning (CET time):
Acer neoTouch F1 S200
Acer Liquid A1 S100
Samsung Omnia II
Toshiba TG01
There may be a slight delay in adding these so no more request for the above devices

HP iPAQ HX4700
HP iPAQ HX4700, even though it is a HTC made device, would love to have a forum for it, willing to moderate as i have plenty of spare time
Much Thanks
Badwolve1
PS, YES!!! Second Post on both threads

Long overdue!
At last !
This is a very nice forum, resourceful , frequented by the "developers" yet user/noob friendly.
People like me were / are dismayed when requests-questions for non HTC devices are placed in the hacking forum where you just cannot keep track of the threads.
More and more WM/android based devices are launched now and we should have a separate forum for them.
Maybe we can first demand a few requests for a particular device before starting a dedicated forum so that it would not fizzle out in the long run and the whole site becomes cluttered unneccessarily.

From my experience, the most requested one is: Omnia

I think the droid should make the first entry, its really popular. But thats just my opinion.

hell,whose idea was this...??
you are breaking our firs tenant which says "made by a firm called HTC"
we stood for the idea for a long time and prevented such forums to be crated and now comes some "user experience admin" who works for the "unhappy samsung motorola crowd" selling some controversial ideas
come on people,don't be ridiculous...
GREAT,just great....you could also say hello to iPhone and crappy nokias....which we fought for a long time.......great job traitor

Yes, OMNIA II and why not iPhone?

An i780 forum won't be bad too. This is the best site for i780 even if it's not (yet) officialy supported. There are several roms for it on xda and there's also an android porting for this device.
Maybe a brand forum will be great too. For example a samsung or acer or anythig else forum with some subforums like rom developemente, q&a and general discussions.

ajhvdb said:
Yes, OMNIA II and why not iPhone?
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Omnia 2 is winmo, this forum is for WINMO + ANDROID ONLY!!! iPhone can go somewhere else for the people who like it
I still want one for my HTC MADE IPAQ, its in the WIKI under HTC Roadster

but hey this is..or at least was htc forum and not winmo and android forum...so...if we are expanding towards samsung,motorola and some others,why don't we go for apple too
think about it
i mean i'm not supporting any of that but....higher force wants to try it out,so if we are opening our gates for non htcs....apple is also nonhtc...so what's the difference

Toshiba TG01
Acer S200
Omnia 1 and 2
If Xda is considering to open new foruns, lets open for new top mobiles that are/were best sellers

Thanks for the feedback thus far, it's helpful. We're indeed going to stick with just Windows Mobile and Android.

But on the other side allowing non htc mobile will mean let in any mobile. So admins, how will you then manage all this?What about server load and all the technical things it will bring along?And also will there be enough staff to monitor the behaviour of each and everyone? This is no simple question. Right now I see xda dev as a small group providing quality support and devs, what will it be then? Many bloggers refer to xda dev website, it is a turning point on the htc platform. Wont allowing other brands in kill this image?

yash08 said:
But on the other side allowing non htc mobile will mean let in any mobile. So admins, how will you then manage all this?What about server load and all the technical things it will bring along?And also will there be enough staff to monitor the behaviour of each and everyone? This is no simple question. Right now I see xda dev as a small group providing quality support and devs, what will it be then? Many bloggers refer to xda dev website, it is a turning point on the htc platform. Wont allowing other brands in kill this image?
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i talked to svetius via pm and this was almost the same thing i said to him
and for the
svetius said:
Thanks for the feedback thus far, it's helpful. We're indeed going to stick with just Windows Mobile and Android.
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what about "brew" platform which comes with new htc smart

maybe the "xda-developers.com" should be changed to "apple-haters.com" because as i see everything except apple is welcome
just to make it clear....i'm absolutely not voting for apple (although i love macs),i'm just giving you something to think about...pointing finger towards the paradox so everybody could see it

yash08 said:
But on the other side allowing non htc mobile will mean let in any mobile. So admins, how will you then manage all this?What about server load and all the technical things it will bring along?And also will there be enough staff to monitor the behaviour of each and everyone? This is no simple question. Right now I see xda dev as a small group providing quality support and devs, what will it be then? Many bloggers refer to xda dev website, it is a turning point on the htc platform. Wont allowing other brands in kill this image?
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As mentioned in my first post earlier today...
We will only add new forums if: 1. We are confident added traffic won't cause site speed to suffer; 2. We can recruit quality moderators; and 3. The content and discussion is of high quality. The only way to know these things for sure is to try it out. So, within the next 14 days we are going to add two or three non-HTC forums. The delay is to ensure the site continues to operate at a reasonable speed and so we can figure out where to put the new forums (the forum homepage is already absurdly long and cluttered). We are open to suggestions as to deserving devices for our first non-HTC forums, so give us your ideas in this thread.
I hope this helps.

I say expand to the iPhone field....wouldn't hurt to add it to the forums....we can say we hate it and that it suxs...whatever. XDA harbors people that want to push their phone's limits. I've been a follower of XDA for a while now, even when I had my iPhone, because the amount of talent in these forums are awesome. I say open the flood gates and bring in iPhone OS to the table. Droid and the new Dell Android would be great as well. My 2 cents

I kind of want to see a forum for the HTC Smart, running that Brew OS and a forum for the Android SE Xperia X10 and WM X2.

farukb said:
but hey this is..or at least was htc forum and not winmo and android forum
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Official or not, this site has ALWAYS been a winmo forum. Given that HTC's devices mostly ran winmo, that's pretty much unavoidable - unless you think that all discussion/development of software that runs on non-HTC winmo devices should be banned, anyway. And the same goes for Android, now that it comprises ~half of HTC's product lineup - unless you think that half of HTC's current phones should be banned from an 'HTC forum'.

YES to new forums
I've been following XDA-Devs for quite some time now (over a year and a half, to be exact) ever since I gleefully bought my AT&T Tilt, and then was frustrated with it within a week. Prior to that, I have owned & happily modded several PPC's. I lurked on these forums for over a year before joining and asking anything. Almost every question I had was answered by patiently searching. So Junior Member, yes. Noob...not quite.
That being said, I am very heavily leaning towards replacing my battle-scarred Tilt with a Samsung Omnia II instead of a TP2 variant. Lots of pros, very few cons, at least for the things I use my device for the most. One of the BIGGEST cons, however, would be that I would lose the guidance, support, knowledge and hard-earned wisdom of the people that post here by straying from HTC.
And so I hesitate.
I've likely read posts into the multiple thousands here, and despite the device or app, or even OS under discussion, one theme runs through it all:
We love messing with our phones.
Better, stronger, faster, smarter, louder, brighter, more fun ..... ad infinitum.
So, for the sake of that common goal, I say add new forums. Break them down by manufacturer. Even iPhones. All those people that bought one, only to discover the limitations of their expensive "cool" new phone? Let's help those poor saps too, ok?
YES to new forums!!