As background, I use a Jasjar with Cingular service here in the US. As many of you probably know, Cingluar uses both 1900MHz and 850MHz in the US. As the Universal can't use the 850MHz band I rely on Cingular's 1900MHz coverage... I get good reception most of the places I go, but it's definitely not as good as it could be, and I get dead spots that 850MHz Cingular phones don't have. I've come to accept that and I still love my Universal.
In any case, I had been using the official JasJar firmware with radio version 1.09 and one place where I had a dead spot was my parent's house. I usually spend at least a few hours there every few weeks or so, and I've never been able to get a signal at their house since I first got my JasJar nearly a year ago.
Last night I upgraded to radio version 1.10.03 and also the beta AKU 3.2 ROM. I was at my parent's house today, and to my amazement I got a signal at their house... a reasonably decent signal too... it got all the way up to two bars.
Now, it's been several weeks since I was last there, and it's quite possible that Cingular improved their 1900MHz coverage in that area, but I would tend to doubt that. It's also possible that it's the AKU 3.2 beta ROM, but I would doubt that too.
Is it possible that the radio 1.10.03 upgrade really did help with reception here? I'm excited to try to go to some other places where I know I had no signal or a poor signal before and see if it's improved there as well.
Brett
i know this is an old post, but i am having this issue, does anybody know where i can get that rom, all i have found is .9 .12 .14 .15 and .18, i have cingular and i dont get reception in my house rather i did with the mda
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Since upgrading my SX56 to Windows Mobile 2003 using the Siemen's website, it seems like coverage is poorer than what I had before. It seems like I have no coverage in places where I had coverage before; coverage is weak where it used to be strong. The Siemen's upgrade put my SX56's Radio version at A.33.02. Is that the best there is what will work on the ATTWS network?
Hey,
Where you find this A.33.02 ROM?
I am using A.30.09.
Thanks
What is on my SX56 is strictly the result of upgrade I downloaded from the Siemens website. I have not cooked a ROM or installed anything (except applications) from any 3d party source. My SX56 Device Information lists the following:
ROM Version: A.30.09 ENG
ROM Date: 1/1/2004
Radio Version: A.30.02
Protocol Version: 1.3.3
Do you have radio version A.30.09?
30.02 is the radio version. I have tried 30.02 (official) 30.01 (pre-release) and variations of 6.2xx (T-Mo official & pre-release) The T-Mo seems more stable but does not show signal bars. I have heard a lot of crap about how RS upgrades don't affect signal strength. Yes hardware is the main factor in this but RS can and does affect it. Yes I agree fully the new radio stacks for ATT SUCK! Also another major factor is I've noticed for some reason maybe just bad timming is ATT coverage in general is much worse than before the upgrade release. Example: Where I had average coverage at work, after the upgrade it went to very spotty to none, then for like 2 weeks it was full strength all over in my area. Now for the last 2 months I have sh*tty coverage all over and NO! covergae at Home and work...It doesn't get any worse than that. I basicly cant really use my phone unless I go stand in the middle of an open field. Bottom line ever since Cingular bought ATT they have had the worse coverage ever. Maybe Cingular has given priority to their customers on the ATT towers or moved the sweep to areas they needed the coverage :evil: further more the new radio stacks need a new release for this new OS. They constanly loose the signal, cant re-register on their own, and generally dont grab and hold a solid signal.
Anyone else noticed anything simular. I am in Los Angeles, CA not a good area to go down hill in. But they dont care anymore they got bought out, further more Cingular has had more lawsuite against them than any other carrier and have the worse record in regards to fair business practices than any other wireless service provider. They got slapped with a multi-million dollar fine form the FCC and California Public utilities commission, so I wouldn't hope to expect any improvement for ATT customers infact I would be surprised if they didn't try to make us all cancell then force us to sign up again at a higher price and a new long term contract, even if it were illegal. If you couldnt tell I use to be a big fan of ATT but They've been going down hill steadily, and the Cingular purchase is going to be the final death blow to ATT customers, unless you are paying more than a cingular customer then they'll want to keep you. :?
if you couldnt tell I'M NOT HAPPY WITH MY CURRENT COVERAGE :lol:
A Different Explanation For Poor Coverage
It was announced by ATTWS in 4Q '03 that it would stop selling phones that don't support 850mhz traffic. That includes the SX56 and the Motorola MX200, by the way. I wonder whether our 1900 mhz SX56s are starting to get poor coverage is becasue ATTWS is re-configuring towers, changing some towers to 850 mhz, leaving the 1900 mhz towers fewer and farther between. Now, I'm just speculating about the towers. I have no proof that towers are being switched. The only thing I know for sure is that ATTWS has announced it will not sell phones which don't support 850 mhz starting 1/1/2004. Maybe it's not the radio stack at all. Maybe it's the towers.
By the way, it's wrong to refer to the merger of ATTWS and Cingular in the past tense. Although approved by the boards of directors of both corporations, the deal won't close for months. It has to have regulatory approval which is not guaranteed and won't come for months. The companies can't start putting their networks together until it closes. Undoubtedly there is lots of pre-planning happening today, but the systems can't be merged until the merger transation is closed.
I have a Cingular SX66 which I'm trying to use on T-Mobile and I'm having problems due to poor signal stength. Before I start a call, I'll have 4 bars and once I start the call, the signal strength will fluctuate and I'll lose entire words of conversations (and the other person complains of the same thing).
I have tried both the SX66 and the HP6315 with similar results, although the HP6315 fairs much better with only occasional drop-outs.
As a comparision, I used the exact same SIM card in an Ericsson T610 and haven't had a single problem.
I'm returning the SX66 today and will probably sell the HP6315. . . unless anyone has some ideas.
SX66 Software Versions
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ROM: 1.20.10 WWE 10/08/04
Radio: 1.02.10
Protocol: 1337.35
Extended ROM: 1.20.115 WWE
I would be curious to know why this is happening to you. I have been unhappy w/ my H6315 and just listed it on eBay in favor of getting an SX66. I've read there are a few updates for the SX66 that update the radio stack and Bluetooth. My biggest complaint about the H6315 was the lack of updates in about 6 months. Bluetooth sucks on it and the device has lots of software problems.
If the SX66 doesn't perform any better on T-mo then maybe I'll go back to the original PocketPC Phone.
Yes, I agree with the HP6315. T-Mobile is suppose to come out with a patch for "everything" according to the rep I talked to after escalating the issue with T-Mobile. I'll believe it when I see it.
As for the SX66, there is a new radio version from December, but I was unable to install it because the SX66 has a different country code, etc, so the IMate-PDA2k stuff didn't work.
The 802.11b signal strength on the SX66 was quite low. My HP6315 shows excellent strength, my laptop excellent, but the SX66 was showing poor signal strenth. It still worked, but I wonder if they sacrificed the antenna's for looks.
As for the software, speed, and looks, the SX66 is everything that I would have dreamed for and aside from the voice quality, I loved it.
I have a friend that has the original MDA with T-Mobile and doesn't have a single problem.
I may end up waiting for the next version of PDA phones... I don't see any reason why they can't get the signal strength to be the same as the Sony-Ericsson T610 which has an internal antenna as well.
I have a Cingular SX66 which I'm trying to use on T-Mobile and I'm having problems due to poor signal stength
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Just curios, but what were the results on the same device on the Cingular network. Depending on the location and the dates that this happend several other things come into play. Different network (Cingular vs TMobile), Possibly different bands (some Cingular locations are still in the 850 band). Even in the locations that are in the 850 range if the old AT&T Wireless (now Cingular) band was 1900, then that would be a better comparison.
You are right, it would be a more fair comparison of Cingular if I used their network, but I do not intending to use Cingular, so I wanted to compare it to how I would be using it. In North America, the fequencies used are 850 and 1900 MHz. In Europe, they use 900 / 1800 MHz.
For people that only use AT&T / Cingular service, the phone may be acceptable on the 850 MHz band. I did not test this fequency, as I feel that it should perform well on all bands, especially since I am comparing it to 2 other phones that are tri-band / quad-band phones. I don't have Cingular service and didn't feel like paying approx. $65 to test it when I would have to pay T-Mobile $200 to break my contract due to the HP6315 fiasco.
Does anybody have test results for the SX66 on the Cingular network?
The other comparison that I wanted to make was using the identical SIM card (and hence the identical tower and parameters) on each of the phones. I then sat at my desk at home and left a message on my voicemail. I then walked to a window where I could see the tower off in the distance and placed another call to voicemail and left a message. I repeated this for each phone 3 times over 3 days inbetween looking for additional information on how to improve signal strength.
In addition, I talked about 2 hours on each phone and asked the person I called how the voice sounded. With the SX66, I received a lot of "what did you say?" and I noticed entire sentences dropped out of the conversation.
With the HP6315, I received about 1/4 as many of the "what did you say" and I had words that were garbled, but not missing entirely.
With the Sony-Ericsson T610 (also integral antenna), I received absolutely no "waht did you say" and I never had a single word garbled. I was even able to take the phone into the basement, into the garage, and even lay down in bed with the phone between my head and the pillow without a problem.
Hope that helps clarify what I was testing and how to interpret my results. From what I've seen, people in heavily populated areas don't have any problems with either the HP6315 or the SX66. Unfortunately, I live on the outskirts of Denver, Colorado, and they typically place towers here at quite a distance since there isn't much to get in the way.
New update!
I went through all of my voice recordings tonight and realized that the voice quality was typically excellent for the first 30 minutes of calling and then it started to cut in a out or garble voice. The garbling consists of a single word every 2 or 3 sentences all the way to 5 seconds of garbled voice. The transmission side seems to be worse than the reception side.
So, it's actually starting to look like it might be a thermal issue. That could potentially explain why some people don't have a problem at all (they are close the tower and aren't transmitting at high power and/or they don't have long conversations).
To verify this, I called a friend tonight and talked to him for 36 minutes. I told him at the beginning that I was doing a voice-quality test so that he would report any problems. Every 5 minutes, I would ask him how the voice quality was. Everything was excellent and the signal strength was at 4 bars all the way up to about 30 minutes. At that point, the signal strength started going wild and the garbling continued.
I finished the call with him and left a voicemail and the voicemail was perfectly clear for about 30 seconds and then it was garbled as well.
I let the phone sit for 1 hour and then left another voice message that didn't have any problems.
Have others had problems with heat? Maybe you got a bad unit?
That's one problem I thought of is that if I buy this at a Cingular store for $650 w/ no plan unlocked and have a problem with it, will they be willing to exchange it or will they only do it if I'm a Cingular customer. I would hate to get stuck with another $650 paperweight.
Keep us posted on what you do with regard to getting it swapped out from either Siemens or Cingular.
I just went ahead and returned it since Cingular doesn't even have support on the device, yet... Their image is a couple of months behind I-Mate's images, too, and I was unable to burn in the I-Mate image due to the country code problems.
If I get one of these, I'll get the PDA2k instead. I'm currently thinking I'll just hold out for the XDA IV that should have both 3G UMTS and GSM as that phone should be current for quite a few years and it will have a 480x640 screen ))
Hi, What is the best Radio ROM for my Vario II which curently has
Pro black 2.5
SPL 2.10 opli v7
Radio ROM 1.40
I use T-Mobile UK.
I don't think the signal quality is very good on 1.40 as I was on the phone and my wife said her voice was echoing...? I was using my bluetooth headset...but it never happened before the upgrade..? Before 1.40 I had 1.41 and I couldn't even connect to the network
Also, why does the start bar sometimes hide....? and how can I add a running programs shortcut on the bottom like I had on WM5..I can't seem to do it....?
Sorry for sounding like a newbie..I've looked in the WIKI but can't find it
I had some problems with 1.40, ranging from no radio at all to bricking the device.
What did you settle on in the end? I'm also on T-Mobile UK.
trapper said:
I had some problems with 1.40, ranging from no radio at all to bricking the device.
What did you settle on in the end? I'm also on T-Mobile UK.
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I'm still on the 1.40 and it works ok actually but I think it could be better.
I have had no problems so far with 1.40 radio and lvsw 23/4.
Hi,
I was using 1.40.30.00 and found it to be a great improvement over the other radio's
I mainly use my phone in West London and Central London.
I have now moved to 1.41.00.10 and will test it performance over the next few days.
Thanks
Msuk
Hi,
Radio 1.40.30.00 caused my battery to drain very fast. Since updating to version 1.41.00.10 I have had no problems.
I tried 1.41 but found it to be a bit less stable than 1.40 which I have gone back to. That seems to be about the best in my experience but they all have an issue with dropping calls/being unable to make receive calls if the phone is having problems switching back and forth between GSM/3G.
I found 1.40 my signal strength was very weak, compared to previous version i'd used, especially 1.38.
But i have just installed 1.41 and it seems better again, i'm going to stick with this for a while and see how i get on.
ps. i'm not sure the WM6 forum is the best place to be discussing radios
Thats wierd. I have the same setup as some of you guys and when I put 1.41 in my network didn't come at all. I don't really want to try it again. But i'm thinking if I should
I am using 1.38.30.1 - it feels much better than 1.40.. in terms of battery life and reception is stronger than my experience with all the other radios tried. Speed seems fine, HSDPA works fine. However I stay mostly on GSM to save battery due to poor reception at home and switch to 3G/ HSDPA only when really needed.
T-Mobile UK and 3G problems
Guys, please note that if you have problems with 3G coverage - for example missed calls or problems with making calls - it is probably network's fault, not necessarily Radio ROM. I was experiencing such problems while using original T-Mobile's WM5 ROM. People couldn't reach me while I've had full 3G coverage in Central London, and I also couldn't place any call at all. Switching manually to GSM-only mode solved all problems. I've complained to CS about that, they admitted to have some 3G issues, and gave £25 discount of my bill. Also, friend of mine having Nokia N70 also reported similar problems with 3G, he switched to GSM-only and is far more happy now.
Anyway, I was using 1.38 Radio for about 2 weeks with no problems whatsoever. Since yesterday I have 1.41 - so far, so good.
I agree. Switching manually to GSM used to solve the problem. In some areas it looked like GSM and 3G were changing every 2 seconds. But I do need 3G for fast browsing.
It may be network problems but you'd expect a radio to be able to switch seamlessly without impact the voice service though wouldn't you.
Good morning guys, I was wondering what RADIO version most people use in NYC with TMOBILE service? I updated my radio version to 1.38.00.10 about 2 months ago when Black 1.2 came out. I've noticed a slight difference when upgrading. I had a few more dropped calls, and the voice clarity isnt working as well as it did before.
Any Suggestions?
no responses yet? am i the only one in NYC that has an unlocked 8525 that uses it on the TMOBILE network?
I am not in NYC but have used t-mobile before. I would say use 1.40.30.00. I have tried the 1.41 but I seemed to drop calls a lot.
I am in nyc, and using 1.40.30.00. It is better than 1.38, I think. Same here, for tmobile, that I have tried the 1.41 but it seemed so slow to reconnect after subway and dead areas.
i'm in nyc with 1.38 but i'm still using cingular not tmobile and it hasn't given me any issues.
not in NYC and not on T-Mobile... but i'd just like to say radio 1.41.00.10 would drop any call that last longer than 5 min or so... going down to 1.40.30.00 now.
Anybody recommend anything in Toronto Canada on the Rogers Network?
I'm curious cause I didn't really get to compare cause I flashed my phone right away
I have the latest right now and not having any issues but I did notice that if I only use GSM I have better reception than automatic. But that makes all my data connections go GPRS only!
Anywho any comments will be appreciated.
Since I have gotten my Tilt 2 (ATT), I have not ever gotten good reception. I've flashed every ATT Radio, the newest radios (even non-att) and am running EnergyROM latest and can never maintain good phone reception. I always drop calls.
I know it's not my area, as I got great reception with my previous phone!
I feel like there is no way to get phone reception!!
Very disappointed in that
You guys experience the same problems?
no but theres no dead zones at all in houston.
yeah, i have nothing but good reception in my area (austin, texas and surrounding areas). Maybe you have a faulty antenna on your device. Have you called in At&t and tried to get a replacement? Head down to a Device Support center and talk to the guys there and they might change it on the spot for you, which i've had done many times with my original tilt and fuze.
Good luck.
Well, I changed my GSM Band to 1900+850 and flashed the latest radio and I seem to get better coverage.
One problem though (though it is minor): with these settings, it doesn't use HSDPA, only EDGE, which is slow lol
Any suggestions... please? Haha like maybe ghetto-rigging it with tinfoil? Ha I'm desperate
smithisize said:
Well, I changed my GSM Band to 1900+850 and flashed the latest radio and I seem to get better coverage.
One problem though (though it is minor): with these settings, it doesn't use HSDPA, only EDGE, which is slow lol
Any suggestions... please? Haha like maybe ghetto-rigging it with tinfoil? Ha I'm desperate
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have you checked the coverage map of AT&T in your area? and also the material your house is built can also play a major role in signal, do you get more signal outside?