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Somebody can use your Phone Edition without your notice!

When I started to make programs with some SMS and phone features, soon I noticed that I can send SMS in hidden mode and dial phone too.
Even without user's attentions at all (no notification).
Without screen backlight turned on.
Without log of activities (no items on phone log and Sent folder).
We know that in MS Smarphone OS this is blocked in the program's "privilege". But on Phone Edition devices this is opened.
Just imagine:
- somebody (everybody?) can write the application like the game or popular PIM and put inside the hidden SMS. First, it can read your contacts, numbers, anything... and then send by SMS without your knowledge or just notification.
- another situation: some program can send SMS all night every minute and charge your cellular network account quickly and seriously.
Are you sure, you don't have such a kind of application inside your device right now?
I'm not.
I'm looking for solution. In panic!
Ok. I can turn-off the phone service and I'm sure nothing will go outside.
But of course in the same time nothing will come in too.
PPC2002 and WM2003 do not give any options to turn off only outgoing services, or to turn off SMS service only (with phone runs continuously).
My propose is:
- block all outgoing SMS except the original Inbox/New dialog
- block all outgoing Calls except the original Phone dialog
In most cases it should be an enough protection.
Of course, this is one side. Another one is: I want to occasionally use another software to send SMS and make a Call. So, the application should allows me to mark which other programs can send SMS or dial Call. These programs I must know as "trust". And this is my risk I unlock them. The example is MY|MESSAGE where I can quickly reply to last SMS just from Today Screen, without Inbox dialog opened.
Please share your opinions.
- is it a serious problem?
- is my solution is enough?
- is it necessary to mark another applications to use SMS?
- mark permanently or maybe temporary only?
Or maybe you have another solution?
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Below are screenshots of my proposition.
I think I will realize the personal version as freeware.
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The application runs as "service proccess". You don't have to put it on Startup folder and (IMPORTANT) it does not take the running tasks limit on XDA. Additionally, just for "eye-catching" convenience I added the small icon on TodayScreen, to be sure it runs. The icon can be hidden. it does nothing.

1. Does it make a log file or show a message on block?
2. How much space does it take?
3. What about making a usual firewall - make all programs ask before they can use any of the wireless services (GSM, SMS, GPRS)?

In case there really will be a firewall (maybe as a plugin only) it should block unauthorized access from the internet. :idea:

in current status of developing:
11kB of service
20kB of settings dialog
(most) applications with GPRS features you can decide when you "connect"
so I focus on SMS and dialling

But if you can use phone
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Even without user's attentions at all (no notification).
Without screen backlight turned on.
Without log of activities (no items on phone log and Sent folder)
you can probably use GPRS, too. Further more, if the program goes off while I'm sleeping, I can't stop it! :?
And what about the usual firewall?
PS: Are you planning to post it?

the firewall does not block SMS (or I dont know)

I mean a program, that would block all unauthorized access: phone, sms and both incoming and outgoing internet connections.
If any application wants to use one of things mentioned, user would see a message on screen and could customize apps that have free access.

I mean a program, that would block all unauthorized access: phone, sms and both incoming and outgoing internet connections.
If any application wants to use one of things mentioned, user would see a message on screen and could customize apps that have free access.

JGUI, this looks cool...
but you make me little nervous, if this is possible...
Good work, keep on going...
Thanks.

Journal bar managed to initiate a gprs call without me knowing last month on a daily basis and i didnt notice until it had used 16 meg of data updating itself every day for a week, this cost me £34 which i wasnt happy about, there doesnt seem to be any way of locking or passwording the gprs connection?, i've had other programs use the connection when i connected to check my email and cost me money when i didnt want them to use it

Hi JGUI,
perfect! When do you expect release, please?
buzz

Ultra Paranoid mode on:
Who garantees your application doesn't do exactly what it say's it should prevent ?
1] Create a program that calls high-rate servicephonenumbers
2] make people scared about automaticly calling phones
3] offer a 'solution' and give the program for free....
4] get rich real fast...
Ok, i'm joking, but it could be just as real....

jpiek: absolute right
this is a very serious problem for me:
how to protect my application "solution" from that somebody can hack it and post the zip or setup file with the name of my application but with some hidden service inside.
Ok.
I can sign my setup with my PGP key, but... how many "mobile users" know and use PGP?
another way: if I post thie application as freeware there will be many web sites where they copy the file and give it away, this is the way where some hacked copies should appear. if I lock the freeware, and give away only a commercial setup, even with small price a few dollars, it should stop the above problem. becasue I decide where this setup will stay official, and users have not to ask me: "I downloaded your program from xxxx is it a good/latest copy?"

The problem in fact is also a feature
I can use a PC connection dialing my ISP provider, connecting to my MDA via bluetooth. On my MDA i see no notification at all that the modem is working (I do not use the Wireless Modem app, but simply use the MDA as a bluetooth modem)

"spb gprs monitor" controls your gprs connection and procesing

Have you considered releasing your app as donationware? (if that exists?)
Just let people download it and use it for free but ask for a small donation from people that use it regularly,
I'm not sure if this idea would work as it relies on trust, but maybe people would appreciate this method of release and it may sidestep the problem of cracked software?, not sure

JGUI said:
jpiek: absolute right
this is a very serious problem for me:
how to protect my application "solution" from that somebody can hack it and post the zip or setup file with the name of my application but with some hidden service inside.
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Have you thought about a free registration online ? You could do a CRC check or whatever before handing out a free registratoncode. Then you can be shure the org. code of your application isn't changed...

Even signing with PGP/GPG is problematic; how do people verify that the key is yours? Application signing (like the process mandatory for smartphone apps) "solves" that by having "trusted" CA keys in the device; but I doubt it even displays who signed an app. And if it did, would people notice that it was signed by Joe Bob, and not JGUI?
And even if it IS signed by JGUI, that doesn't tell me anything either. Perhaps his key was stolen, maybe his development pc was infected with a virus that ended up in the executable, perhaps even JGUI himself is a nasty hacker, there's simply no way to know..
Of course, something is better than nothing, but a simple SHA1 hash of the setup file on the author's website isn't that much worse than the whole PKI thing. That would mean a hacker would have to hack both the application AND the website, at least for those who check that sort of thing.
Smartphone code signing in practice: http://www.msmobiles.com/article.php/52.html

i think i should hit the panic button, i think the best way is for this SW to track such services, so say i installed it & it cought a program trying to do that it reports it to me telling me SW so & So was trying to call or send SMS or soforth, in this case we avoid these programs all together

I'm sure, I will not sleep tonight... (I see myself sitting in the dark and dialing customer service all night just to have my account balance)
do not make (at least) your own life harder!! :lol:
ym

Perfect update. Few questions and help. Thanks.

So, I managed to upgrade to Kavana 6.1 on my own (yeeeaaah). I got a couple of questions though.
I followed the update with pics thread. Apart from the fact that it should state (for newbies like me) that you need to unzip the chosen ROM and run THAT RUU but anyway... at the end on the thread, it shows how to configure various things like wi-fi, texts etc... My question is, is it possible that mine did that all on its own? Because I did not get those images asking me what setup to get and the keymap/keyboard works fine, the wifi works, so far everything works, it even picked up T-Mobile on its own. Anything I should know? Second of all, the quote below... does not make sense in the English language. Please be more specific because I can't seem to get active sync to work. Thank you.
To Get ACTIVE SYNC to work after this:
Do this with the USB cord DISCONNECTED from the computer.
Scroll down or up to the settings panel.
Select
Scroll right or left to USB to PC.
Select
UNCHECK the first option.
Connect the USB cord after you click on ok.
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Settings\USBtoPC untick advanced network functionality, do you get data if not then Connection Setup needs to be run.
Also if you want predictive off FN+SPACE in a text input box ABC.
That's it all done

well on your sliding panels homescrren the very last pabel is settings scroll over till you see the usb to pc panel cick on it and uncheck the first box.

lol sorry stlez gues we responded at the same time lol

1Airborne1 said:
lol sorry stlez gues we responded at the same time lol
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No need to be sorry lol

Got it. It wasen't clear that it had to be done on the cell itself.
So, is it possible that all the settings have been setup all fine on their own?
What about Tegic multi languages, I tried it on WM6 and it did not have the et9 for Italian for example and the mapping was all wrong. Does it work only for WM6.1?
Thanks.
What is the up and down sign next to E? I guess its the jogger thing?
I love 6.1 so far.

Anyone?
So far the ROM is really good, but I got a couple of questions.
1) I think I solved the issue by deleting a draft text I had, but at times the phone would just vibrate without me getting a text or missed call, etc. Is this something that has occurred to others? Or you think it was just the draft text?
2) I was wondering if the et9Tegic with 14 languages works solely on WM6.1, reason I ask is because I installed it on WM6 and it did not have the et9 for say Italian. Maybe it was conflicting with Tegic-US?
3) I went on wifi, connected to my own connection that I have home, went on skyfire, and after a bit, the phone went sort of crazy on me. It would just click and move on its own. I had to turn off the phone in order to restore it to normal. Anyone know the answer to this? Should I worry? Is it frequent? I re-went online when I restarted it and it was fine, but I wonder if anyone had this issue.
4) To setup a background image, is 320X240 the whole screen, or does it cutoff the menu bar? If so, what is the actual visible size of the image?
5) I didn't have to go through the whole setup and was wondering if its normal that it setup sms, mms, wifi and everything else on its own.
Thanks.

Capitan Totti said:
Anyone?
So far the ROM is really good, but I got a couple of questions.
1) I think I solved the issue by deleting a draft text I had, but at times the phone would just vibrate without me getting a text or missed call, etc. Is this something that has occurred to others? Or you think it was just the draft text?
2) I was wondering if the et9Tegic with 14 languages works solely on WM6.1, reason I ask is because I installed it on WM6 and it did not have the et9 for say Italian. Maybe it was conflicting with Tegic-US?
3) I went on wifi, connected to my own connection that I have home, went on skyfire, and after a bit, the phone went sort of crazy on me. It would just click and move on its own. I had to turn off the phone in order to restore it to normal. Anyone know the answer to this? Should I worry? Is it frequent? I re-went online when I restarted it and it was fine, but I wonder if anyone had this issue.
4) To setup a background image, is 320X240 the whole screen, or does it cutoff the menu bar? If so, what is the actual visible size of the image?
5) I didn't have to go through the whole setup and was wondering if its normal that it setup sms, mms, wifi and everything else on its own.
Thanks.
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We're you using the jogger to scroll when it went all crazy on you? That happened to me a while back , when I was using the jogger to scroll , it would not stop scrolling up or down. What worked for me was to set the jogger to use only for speaker volume and and for the wmp.
The backgrounds will use the whole screen at 320x240 size. I do all my images at 320x240 and they display perfect.
You shouldn't have to do anything on sms,and mms, other than connection setup, for your country and carrier, unless you get the mms problem that some people get.
For wifi, it should work right away,but to be able to connect, you have to set up your wireless network if you're at home or work, by searching with the phone's wifi and connecting and then providing the usual, (network type,authentification,data encription,network key) .

stylez said:
No need to be sorry lol
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alright next time i won t be

roloracer said:
We're you using the jogger to scroll when it went all crazy on you? That happened to me a while back , when I was using the jogger to scroll , it would not stop scrolling up or down. What worked for me was to set the jogger to use only for speaker volume and and for the wmp.
The backgrounds will use the whole screen at 320x240 size. I do all my images at 320x240 and they display perfect.
You shouldn't have to do anything on sms,and mms, other than connection setup, for your country and carrier, unless you get the mms problem that some people get.
For wifi, it should work right away,but to be able to connect, you have to set up your wireless network if you're at home or work, by searching with the phone's wifi and connecting and then providing the usual, (network type,authentification,data encription,network key) .
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I wasen't using the jogger but I might have touched it involuntarily. Once I tried it again I know I did not touch it and it was fine. I guess I will also set it up like you suggested.
I didn't have to setup anything as far as SMS are concerned and I haven't tried to send or receive MMS yet, but once I completed the RUU the phone went on cold booting on its own and restart it fine all on its own. Wifi same thing, no need for me to do anything, I just connect fine anywhere.
Another thing it does, if I use the jogger or not, it pops up something telling me that dimlight should be kept at something like -t instead of -m? How do I get rid of that thing?
I got a bigger problem now. The phone at times just vibrates on its own without getting any sms or mms or missed call... What is it?
Thank you.

The -t and -m thing refers to the LowLight program. By default it's activated by tapping/touching the jogger 3 time within 10 seconds.
I was playing with it, after a new upgrade, last night.
Apparently you *are* touching the jogger...probably without realizing it.
Chuck

chuckknight said:
The -t and -m thing refers to the LowLight program. By default it's activated by tapping/touching the jogger 3 time within 10 seconds.
I was playing with it, after a new upgrade, last night.
Apparently you *are* touching the jogger...probably without realizing it.
Chuck
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Lord knows THAT is easy enough to do, lol!
When I first bought my Dash, it had WM 5 on it, and there was a setting for JOGGER sensitivity. Not one of the "cooked" ROMS I have used here have such a setting, thus even breathing on the JOGGER can set it scrolling/clicking madly.
How about it Kavana, NRG, Rickywatts? Is there a way to adjust the sensitivity of the JOGGER?

Ghost of Jaco said:
Lord knows THAT is easy enough to do, lol!
When I first bought my Dash, it had WM 5 on it, and there was a setting for JOGGER sensitivity. Not one of the "cooked" ROMS I have used here have such a setting, thus even breathing on the JOGGER can set it scrolling/clicking madly.
How about it Kavana, NRG, Rickywatts? Is there a way to adjust the sensitivity of the JOGGER?
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The only way that I know to adjust any type of sensitivity on the jogger is the speed of it. The faster you set it , the more sensitive it will be to the touch, and viceversa.

So, I think I figured the vibration. I was closing the Texts when I saw it pop up in the conversation, you know 6.1 has threaded texting, so I thought it would send it once it popped in, but I noticed that you still got to wait for the OK Info to come up to confirm the message has been sent. So far all good and no more vibration. So far...
Joggr don't matter. I set it to adjust volume only since I use the keys to scroll up and down.
1) What about the fact that I didn't have to setup anything (WiFi etc)? Is the setting up something that only non-USA resident have to do? Or...?
2) And does anyone have an MSN Messenger (or something close to it) that works on TEXTS and NOT data? I looked everywhere but nothing! Thank you.
3) I tried to look up here on xda and on Google, key mapping... kmap... notepad kmap... etc, but nothing. What I would like is et9 that has the USA Dash keyboard layout (keeping the t for CeleTasks of course) but also et9 for US English and Italian. I installed the et9TegicFull but the keyboard layout is UK English. I modified the .txt files in the et9 folder but the tab and symbol keys do not work except for writing 0 and going to the camera. Anyone?
4) When I restart the phone, the options on the media sliding panel on the home screen work fine. If I click on images, it goes to images, if I click on profiles, it goes to profiles. However, I noticed that the wifi one works fine at first, but after 3 times or so that I use it/click it, it stops working and to get on wifi I have to go to Start>CommManager and click on wifi icon. Even when I click on the right soft key (when on the media sliding panel home screen) which is connection settings, and I click on commmanager there with the center key... nothing. It clicks, but doesn't go anywhere. Why?
Thank you.

Anyone please?

1) If your router is not encrypted then it would just connect, if it is encrypted you must have put in a key.
The rest if set up don't worry generally have to run connection steup.
2) You want OZ Messanger think only jdog & Mikey know how to set up?, You could set up Yahoo on home computer and when people sent message will come to phone and can reply via text.
3) Not sure what you mean does nothing work?
4) Sounds like a hard-reset needed bruv as never had probs with Commanager on Kavana's

stylez said:
1) If your router is not encrypted then it would just connect, if it is encrypted you must have put in a key.
The rest if set up don't worry generally have to run connection steup.
2) You want OZ Messanger think only jdog & Mikey know how to set up?, You could set up Yahoo on home computer and when people sent message will come to phone and can reply via text.
3) Not sure what you mean does nothing work?
4) Sounds like a hard-reset needed bruv as never had probs with Commanager on Kavana's
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1) I mentioned wifi just to make an example. I didn't have to setup anything like carrier sms mms etc but I see in the guides that some people do? Mine just restarted fine.
2) I have unlimited texts. I have T-Mobile OZ Messenger and it works. I have AIM, ICQ and Yahoo. I was wondering if someone has an MSN program that works on texts. Also, I noticed that when I open the .cab file for the oz messenger on my desktop, it has an MSN file. I was wondering how to make that one show instead of ICQ. Maybe it will work?
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
See how you can read MSN in there?
3) I never said nothing works... I asked to have a US Dash keyboard layout and et9 for English and Italian.
4) Sorry but what is bruv? What I am saying is, when you go down the last panel on the Home screen, you can choose from profiles to taskmanager to jogger settings and also wifi enabling. So, if I were to click on wifi, I would get a panel when I can click on/off. Ok? It works fine for the first 3 times I use, but then... when I click on the wireless manager on the home screen again, it doesn't go anywhere. Why? For it to work again I have to reboot the phone.
See...
This is Wireless manager...
When I reboot my phone, if I go to it and click on it... I get this...
But after a while, both this
and this (CommManager after I right clicked on connection settings, as you can see in the image)
when I click on them with the silver center button, do not work. Got it? Send To Phone
Send To Phone

Capitan Totti said:
1) I mentioned wifi just to make an example. I didn't have to setup anything like carrier sms mms etc but I see in the guides that some people do? Mine just restarted fine.
2) I have unlimited texts. I have T-Mobile OZ Messenger and it works. I have AIM, ICQ and Yahoo. I was wondering if someone has an MSN program that works on texts. Also, I noticed that when I open the .cab file for the oz messenger on my desktop, it has an MSN file. I was wondering how to make that one show instead of ICQ. Maybe it will work?
3) I never said nothing works... I asked to have a US Dash keyboard layout and et9 for English and Italian.
4) Sorry but what is bruv? What I am saying is, when you go down the last panel on the Home screen, you can choose from profiles to taskmanager to jogger settings and also wifi enabling. So, if I were to click on wifi, I would get a panel when I can click on/off. Ok? It works fine for the first 3 times I use, but then... when I click on the wireless manager on the home screen again, it doesn't go anywhere. Why? For it to work again I have to reboot the phone.
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1) Yes thats why the second sentence
2) Just use OZ if you got set up, MSN messanger does not do text.
3) I needed clarification don't think possible as can't have Tegic & T9full, Tegic English is US eT9 English is UK
4) You have something wrong if you cannot always access commanager, to which is why say hard-reset. "not normal behaviour" lol no need for pictures i'm not a noob

I know you are not. But maybe I was not clear.
1) Reason I ask if its cool that everything worked at once on its owns is because I was wondering if maybe later on I will encounter issues. Wanted to get them out of the way now.
2) So, there is no MSN Messenger or other program for WinMo that works on texts? Wow.
3) I could simply install the et9 Tegic Full with 14 languages and remap the notepad files. I did so, but I can't get the tab to work as a tab, it just types 0, and the symbol button just works for activating the camera or it writes an e'. I was wondering if I can change something in the notepad files to make those two work because other than that I fixed the problem. Anyone?
4) Alright, I will try hard reset. Will this delete everything or no? Anything I should watch out for? Thanks.

Capitan Totti , bruv is the same as brother, bro, broham, (bruv) . I'm in the US and know what he means.

New and need help to get phone working up to it's potential

So on 01/01, I upgraded from my 2 year old 8525 (no mods done to it) to a ATT Tilt 2; and so far here is my issues/things I need help with/report:
Within the first 20 days of the 30 day return period, the SMS notification audible stopped working on sent messages. The notification on the screen still showed on the bottom just no sound. No setting change or soft reset fixed. No other issues before that point.
Got new phone.
Within 5 days on phone number two, the phone would default to SMS tree view (view is found by going to messages in touchflo and selecting 'All Messages' from the bottom left.) Would move TouchFlo to Home screen (my background that shows clock, date, etc.), hit the power key to power save, hit power key to power up, and then on SMS tree view, not my home screen. Didn't matter how long after I manually put phone in power save, it would still not default to homepage screen. Only consistently did this when I manually used the power button to put in power save. When I locked the phone and put in power save no issues, or it was random. When the phone went into power save by itself after my 2 minutes delay, the issue was random. This phone also froze on me twice upon in the SMS function.
Got new phone yesterday.
So far no issues.
So I'm on phone number 3, with the first 2 having software issues.
No mods to any of the phones (yet), and if this phone has issues, I have option to return and pay no restocking fee and get a different phone (probably an iPhone 16GB at this point, as much as I don't want one), or start downloading new manillas, cabs, and shells for this one.
Is there any updates out there I am missing, or anything else I am missing.
I've got my Cox Email (a POP3 push), my Hotmail, and my Yahoo Email (as an IMAP, it defaulted the setup that way) setup, and no other real changes. Using my old microSD card (1GB) that's got songs, audio clips, and pics/vids on it.
I saw the thread on att wireless forums for the update on an SMS freezing issue, not sure if relates to any of my issues, or if I should go ahead and upload to number 3 phone I currently have anyways. And should I upload other fix as well, eventhough I never saw issues with caller id on first 2 phones (coming in as unknown even though contact is calling you). Haven't had third phone long enough to discern any issues yet.
More info: I always have touchflo active
What do I need to do to get things on this phone to make sure it doesn't mess up? Other things one would suggest to customize the phone?
I WANT THE MOST GLITCH FREE POSSIBLE PHONE
Thanks
and sorry for the newb questions

Also to note:
I am technology illiterate. Simple explanations of every step is needed for me.
Also to note, I have a laptop that is running Vista 64bit and I have not uploaded the ActiveSync software to my laptop yet
my brother mentioned something to me about a PIM? for backup?

I can't speak to all the other issues you've seen, but AT&T packs a lot of bloat-ware on the stock ROM they put on the Tilt2, and it's usually stuff that users have no need for.
There's a utility at this thread that will sweep all that junk off in one swipe, you'll find it frees up a good amount of the available memory in the phone:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=587637&highlight=crud+scraper

Okay. Thanks for the reply.
Something I want to do is get rid of all the crap I don't want, including but not limited to:
- all demo stuff
- the music files that came on the phone (artists: Chris Hawkes, Pacha Massive, Sidestepper)
- AT&T Navigator
- WorldCard Mobile
anything that is not related to phone, text, email, internet, my photos and music from my card, Facebook, stocks, weather = rest of it gone
I was reading in the sticky threads on how to do what and was still confusing and it scared me from doing anything to this phone, but I know I need to do things to clean it up and make it run better
Can anyone give me an idiot, idiot, to the supreme idiot guide on how to do what I need to do?
1. Upload ActiveSync to my laptop (not done yet) (my laptop runs Vista 64bit)
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All I want to do is make the phone run better and fix glitches, and not have any glitches in doing this.
Thanks

After I do steps 1 - whatever,
should I install hotfix for unknown caller id and freezing SMS issue
htp://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&thread.id=125218
or would another thing from someone else resolve this?

Maybe what I learned will help?
Have a look at this thread, and see if it helps you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625730
Good luck!

yeah it was a help thanks for the reply, but it wasn't a help.
as you see above, i haven't even put the activesync software on my laptop. so after i do that, what do i need to do first to get that crud+scraper and other things on my phone?
idiots guide please

what i need to do in what order is very confusing to me. all of this is confusing to me
i just want my phone to be less bloated and work properly with no issues. i think i have seen the caller id issue and not sure if i'm still getting the sms tree issue i saw on phone #2 i just replaced

The order is listed.
Hi again,
Yes, go ahead and get activesync on your computer 1st thing
then, Look at post #9. Do it in that order.
The .net 3.5 mentioned can be found here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...49-3C6B-42F1-9FD9-0041345B3385&displaylang=en
Just download that, and run it while your phone is connected to activesync. It will put .net 3.5 on your phone. Next, copy the 3 files for crud scraper onto the phone somewhere you can find it, like my documents (on your PC, you'll need to right-click, copy, then right click, paste). Once the files are on the phone, just find the folder you put them in and click on the 'poop' icon. You can then clean off all the crap you want by checking the boxes.
So,
#1 Get activesync
#2 get .net 3.5
#3 run crudscraper
#4 I highly recommend SPB mobile shell. (google it) It just makes much easier to navigate the phone. There is a free 15 day trial.
#5 any of the other apps I mentioned are good.
That should get you started.

thanks for the reply subterran

subterran:
any thoughts to my homepage/message tree issue that occured with #2, and mow occuring with #3 phone I currently have? Thanks
the phone would default to SMS tree view (view is found by going to messages in touchflo and selecting 'All Messages' from the bottom left.) Would move TouchFlo to Home screen (my background that shows clock, date, etc.), hit the power key to power save, hit power key to power up, and then on SMS tree view, not my home screen. Didn't matter how long after I manually put phone in power save, it would still not default to homepage screen. Only consistently did this when I manually used the power button to put in power save. When I locked the phone and put in power save no issues, or it was random. When the phone went into power save by itself after my 2 minute delay, the issue was random.

Solving the Authentication Key Problem

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So IF VERIZON blames you for entering there... i don't care. My relationship with V ends when the logo goes off, but your case may be normal usage... or so.
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WARNING!! As stated by some users, this may affect/disable your calling and messaging capabilities. You have been prevented, test this only if you'r curious under your OWN RESPONSABILITY.
This is a summary of the issues and solving procedure from Zero2duo (thanks ):
calls out to ppl, i hear this "welcome to verizon, but we're sorry, we cannot authenticate your phone right now".
calls coming in, ppl calling go straight to voicemail...and i get a miss call on my end
just had a 20-30 min chat with verizon....got it sorted out, phone works again
turns out there system saw my old and new phones "active", so system was like "this phone number shows up twice" and then just put a block on the number
after the guy refreshed the system, phone works again
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Intro
As i could read many times, there is a submenu inside the ##PROGRAMNITT menu from the phone called "AUTHENTICATION KEY".
Ok,so you need some code that you dont have hum....let's play a bit.
note: this does nothing and doesn't let you hack the device or make coffee for you, it's a crappy result.
Mmm well, to start, you need a *unknown* length password, which you don't know, and also other values that you can't get from the phone itself, but you can fetch with tools. The download list goes as:
- RevSkills
- A-Key Calculator (http://www.superbank.ru/sms/)
- From the old times, the QualcommDIAG (old driver) or the SPST usb driver, so we get a COM port for the device. Both can be found on the forum itself. The best option is the bitpim guide, so you can know how to set the com port and yak yak yak.
Walkthrough
- Enter the ##PROGRAMNITT submenu and then activate the serial class mode within the "OTHER" submenu.
- Plug the kin
- Open revskills and set the port dropdown menu with your current phone com port (probably COM3)
- Go to the tab on this image, and press the "Read" button:
Write the ESN value (red square) / keep this window open.
- Open the A-key calculator, and input (write as is) the ESN value on the textbox (Note that it's a 8 hex char value, so put 0's on the left if doesnt). The right value will be updated while you type your ESN.
The result looks like this:
- Enter the "AUTHENTICATION KEY" submenu and type the updated value from A-key calculator & press "OK" button.
- Enjoy the... well does nothing for me so... who knows what's this for? unlocking the kin?
Note that i shadowed my values for security reasons... for the verizon customer, i guess, i dont use any of them .

Looks interesting. From what you've explained, you are not on a Verizon network (out of the country) and do not have an activated phone, correct?
I'm going to play with this later tonight, unless someone else beats me to it and convinces me not to.

klamation said:
From what you've explained, you are not on a Verizon network (out of the country) and do not have an activated phone, correct?
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Outta the verizon network, outta the country. I'm from Europe. That's why i got some delay on the posts... rofl.
I knew i couldnt use it, I just bought the first kin for the lulz. I thought i was going to be able to hack it through IE bugs... meh, life shows you that things are not always as expected....

Anyone tested this yet on the Verizon Network? I know it sounds dangerous but it's worth a try. I believe I've bricked mine so I'll attempt it when I get it back to a serviceable state.
Here's to hoping.

Heratiki said:
Anyone tested this yet on the Verizon Network? I know it sounds dangerous but it's worth a try. I believe I've bricked mine so I'll attempt it when I get it back to a serviceable state.
Here's to hoping.
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Was gonna try it until you reminded me of a brick possibility. Eh, my kin is only 2 weeks old, I'll try it tonight.

Eh, no brick here. I tried it on my 2m. Calculated the hex key, entered it into the phone, it said stored and that it required a reboot. I exited the ##programnitt menu, then phone rebooted.
Nothing appears different. Bitpim still has access to the same folders.
On a side note, RevSkills is a crazy program! John, have you used any of these other tools? on a kin or other phone?

GrandSportX said:
Eh, no brick here. I tried it on my 2m. Calculated the hex key, entered it into the phone, it said stored and that it required a reboot. I exited the ##programnitt menu, then phone rebooted.
Nothing appears different. Bitpim still has access to the same folders.
On a side note, RevSkills is a crazy program! John, have you used any of these other tools? on a kin or other phone?
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seconded, just got my authentication key and entered it, and phone still works. Now if only it actually triggered/done something in our favor.

GrandSportX said:
On a side note, RevSkills is a crazy program! John, have you used any of these other tools? on a kin or other phone?
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I tested all the tools, all the programs i could run on a virtual and normal machine long time before developping KinO.
"Nothing to see here" is always the answer. The phone memory couldnt be readed with this programs, and nothing access the phone, apart the cdma data, which is like meh for me (no cdma usage for the settings). As even SPST uses MTP driver for firmware (not the COM port driver), i guess all feasible with com ports is just cdma settings.
Also you can write something that mess your phone and that things....
Maybe other users from this forum (whole xda) know what's this for in cdma phones. I got any comunications knowledge, apart the network software needed for me.

me= noob post
heyyo so i tried this but rev skills keeps crashing when i tell it to read ( i set it com3 which is where bitpim and my compy say the phone is) and sad face taht it doesnt change anything has anyone looked at the logs after entering the key?

edit nm my compy worked the kin screen needs to be on

so i entered the key last night and somehowmy phone can send or receive messages or calls... so i restored it adn now it works. also a red light appeared where the light sensor is...

ishbar said:
also a red light appeared where the light sensor is...
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That was always there for me during boot time. It just flashes for a little time, anyway.
It's extrange that only 1 reported it. If it's a common issue, i will change the advice to a bigger one, so you could know before messing things up.

ishbar said:
so i entered the key last night and somehowmy phone can send or receive messages or calls... so i restored it adn now it works. also a red light appeared where the light sensor is...
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Did you mean that "you cannot make phone calls or receive them when you entered the key"?
Weird thing (pretty sure it isn't because I entered the Authentication Key), my bro activated his HTC Thunderbolt yesterday and when I try calling him, after 2 rings, I then hear a voice that says "welcome to verizon, but the number you are dialing cannot be reached". My calls to him don't go through, but he can call me. I am thinking it is because I had blocked all the data services (thru My Verizon except for the Pic/Txt MMS) and since the Thunderbolt is a smartphone, I cannot make calls to it.
So I unchecked "blocked all data", and will try to call my bro's phone again once I officially get an email from verizon stating that my features that been updated. I will also call up Verizon later today and ask them what's up.

zero2duo said:
my bro activated his HTC Thunderbolt yesterday and when I try calling him, after 2 rings, I then hear a voice that says "welcome to verizon, but the number you are dialing cannot be reached". My calls to him don't go through, but he can call me. I am thinking it is because I had blocked all the data services (thru My Verizon except for the Pic/Txt MMS) and since the Thunderbolt is a smartphone, I cannot make calls to it.
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If it was both things, i would really think about the Auth change, but receiving/calling separately OK is pretty much weird.
I would call to a home number or another number, if any. Dunno how 3g/cdma works to call another phone and if it's data or normal usage.

johnkussack said:
If it was both things, i would really think about the Auth change, but receiving/calling separately OK is pretty much weird.
I would call to a home number or another number, if any. Dunno how 3g/cdma works to call another phone and if it's data or normal usage.
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Just tried calling other family members cells and house number, and I still get the "welcome to verizon, but we're sorry, we cannot authenticate your phone right now".
So I think it's safe to say that entering the A-Key did this. I went back to the hidden menu, and tried to "disable" the Authentication Key, but it just asks me to enter it and nothing more.
Any ideas to "disable" the Authentication Key? Besides this
Clear Storage memory (reset phone)
* Hold C+B+ Power
* Prints a Phone image (and reboots)
Hate to have to re-enter my contacts again.
Update: did the Clear command, tried calling, and still get that "welcome to verizon, but we're sorry, we cannot authenticate your phone right now" msg. Gonna call verizon; hopefully it's an easy fix on their end and I won't need to get a new phone.

I updated the first post, so the user knows what could happen. I don't see the point of the authentication then. Unless it dissengages you from verizon, but receiving must be done withing a mobile network, so all it's pretty much weird.
zero2duo said:
Any ideas to "disable" the Authentication Key? Besides this
Clear Storage memory (reset phone)
* Hold C+B+ Power
* Prints a Phone image (and reboots)
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Try to export your contacts from the submenu, so you can download the xml and, at least have the ones you had previously to a CB operation. You can try to reupload it with kino and try to import after rebooting. Nothing is assured but worths a try (at least the export part is feasible).
I'm sorry about the CB requirement, but that's expected when playing with unknown things in a production phone.
As this could change things, and i dont loose anything, i will check what the changes are in the logs files (like "skipping verizon connection" messages).

OK just called verizon (20-25 min chat), after the 1st rep couldn't fix it, she found a tech who could. Basically, he said that their billing system saw two instances of my number (they were saying maybe when I activated my Kin, that I had my old phone on and that caused the problem...we know what caused it though), so he refreshed the system. Then had me re-activate my Kin via *228. Then after rebooting phone, outgoing and incoming calls work...also txt msg does too.
Before doing the Clearing button command, exported contacts to my laptop. Then after phone was working again, tried importing it back in but got this error msg "can't import contacts right now because there is non-compliant XML in the contacts file". Guess I will just go to a verizon store and get it transferred from the old phone.
Here's a little summary of everything john (if you wanna put this info in the 1st post):
calls out to ppl, i hear this "welcome to verizon, but we're sorry, we cannot authenticate your phone right now".
calls coming in, ppl calling go straight to voicemail...and i get a miss call on my end
just had a 20-30 min chat with verizon....got it sorted out, phone works again
turns out there system saw my old and new phones "active", so system was like "this phone number shows up twice" and then just put a block on the number
after the guy refreshed the system, phone works again

Great to hear about the solving procedure being done. Then the menu and the option would probably be a manual introduction into the verizon network, as you would do for entering the company from others (Sprint maybe?). I guess that's done auto on their side, but this menu allows you to do it too.
I dunno why you all get the contacts error. As i just imported the xml from klamation ok.Maybe yours has more data than "name, phone number" values.
i will export my full one and see what happens, when i'm a little ... less bored so i can reboot several times hehehe.
PS: quoted on first post.

johnkussack said:
I dunno why you all get the contacts error. As i just imported the xml from klamation ok.Maybe yours has more data than "name, phone number" values.
i will export my full one and see what happens, when i'm a little ... less bored so i can reboot several times hehehe.
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I was able to successfully upload the contact file from klamation (got 215 of those BOB contacts). Then I renamed my "contacts.export" file to "cellebrite.contacts.xml", also removed my own name/contact from it, and still get the error when trying to import. It could be the case that I have extra junk for some contacts (have some work and home numbers, also maybe added some values in the "notes" field/tag. What I will try tonight, edit my contacts file so that its just the Name and Mobile tags that are present and retry importing that.

zero2duo said:
I was able to successfully upload the contact file from klamation (got 215 of those BOB contacts). Then I renamed my "contacts.export" file to "cellebrite.contacts.xml", also removed my own name/contact from it, and still get the error when trying to import. It could be the case that I have extra junk for some contacts (have some work and home numbers, also maybe added some values in the "notes" field/tag. What I will try tonight, edit my contacts file so that its just the Name and Mobile tags that are present and retry importing that.
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After many trial and error attempts at importing my contact list, it finally worked once I gave a LastName tag and value for the contacts that I previously only had FirstName (some of my contacts, I only had first names since a last name wasn't necessary for me to remember them).
So from my testing, you need both FirstName and LastName tags, and at least one character for a valid value and then the import will work.

Starting to get really pissed off at this phone-might return unless I can get answers

Here are some things that are really driving me crazy, to the point where I'm considering returning the phone for the s3 or iPhone:
-Sending sms messages (using handcent app) I often get the 'unable to send message' notification, even when I have full service. The notification repeats over and over again until I delete the message.
-Google voice voicemails not sending notifications. I can't see if I have any received any voicemails until I open google voice and all the sudden all the notifications come in.
-no 'favorites' tab on the phone app. Favorites exist under groups, but for some reason you can't put the favorites down on the menu to make quick calls easier.
-uploading photos to facebook using 'facebook for htc sense' or regular facebook app often freeze part-way through, even with good wifi connection.
-Often times when I delete emails on the gmail app they still appear in my inbox when I view gmail on my computer. Also can't seem to make gmail automatically update upon opening.
-CALENDAR NOTIFICATIONS: Even when I turned off the facebook calendar sync so I wouldn't get 20 birthday reminders every day, the notifications still won't go away. Anything I put in the calendar pops up on the lock screen every single time, even the day before sometimes. Should I use a different calendar app? I like using the 'productivity' lock screen, but this "feature" is killing me.
Would rooting/ROMing fix these issues? I'm afraid to do it because I'd still like to be able to return the phone if the issues persist.

I would root and install any one of the various ROMs available. Your issues are with Sense 4.0, not the phone itself.

-sending sms messages - really doesn't sound like it's a HOX problem
-google voice voicemails same as above?
-no 'favorites' tab - tyou can create a widget of your favorites... big deal, either create a widget for that on your homescreen or return the phone already
-facebook pic uploads - not experienced that
-gmail sync... seems like another problem you seem to be having that you are blaming on the htc one x
-how about opening the calendar app and tick and untick what you want your calendar to display and what not?
many of the problems you've experienced i have not experienced, even as i was on stock. Just saying

Just root it or hard reset it.
And the favourite option is there , just explore your phone more .
Or flash the venomx and enjoy with hox .
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

ul49 said:
Here are some things that are really driving me crazy, to the point where I'm considering returning the phone for the s3 or iPhone:
-Sending sms messages (using handcent app) I often get the 'unable to send message' notification, even when I have full service. The notification repeats over and over again until I delete the message.
-Google voice voicemails not sending notifications. I can't see if I have any received any voicemails until I open google voice and all the sudden all the notifications come in.
-no 'favorites' tab on the phone app. Favorites exist under groups, but for some reason you can't put the favorites down on the menu to make quick calls easier.
-uploading photos to facebook using 'facebook for htc sense' or regular facebook app often freeze part-way through, even with good wifi connection.
-Often times when I delete emails on the gmail app they still appear in my inbox when I view gmail on my computer. Also can't seem to make gmail automatically update upon opening.
-CALENDAR NOTIFICATIONS: Even when I turned off the facebook calendar sync so I wouldn't get 20 birthday reminders every day, the notifications still won't go away. Anything I put in the calendar pops up on the lock screen every single time, even the day before sometimes. Should I use a different calendar app? I like using the 'productivity' lock screen, but this "feature" is killing me.
Would rooting/ROMing fix these issues? I'm afraid to do it because I'd still like to be able to return the phone if the issues persist.
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U have a defective piece...and some of those are not problems...spend some time with your phone to work it out.

ul49 said:
I'm considering returning the phone for the s3
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Always your choice.
Sending sms messages (using handcent app) I often get the 'unable to send message' notification, even when I have full service. The notification repeats over and over again until I delete the message.
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Since I'm assuming it doesn't occur with the stock messaging app it has something to do with handcent. Write the developer via the market and see if they have any updates specific to the One X planned. Or, get an SGS3. You might want to check their forum first to make sure it's not an ICS compatibility issue.
Google voice voicemails not sending notifications. I can't see if I have any received any voicemails until I open google voice and all the sudden all the notifications come in.
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Assuming the setting are correct on your phone, you need to go in to GV via the web and do this...
no 'favorites' tab on the phone app. Favorites exist under groups, but for some reason you can't put the favorites down on the menu to make quick calls easier.
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"Favorites" is an option under "Groups." It's one extra "tap" than if it were a dedictated tab. You can decide if that's a big enough deal to get an SGS3.
uploading photos to facebook using 'facebook for htc sense' or regular facebook app often freeze part-way through, even with good wifi connection.
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If it's happening with both apps it sound like something to do with what you're trying to upload. Try going in the gallery and share it from there. I've had no issue and don't remember seeing others post about it either.
Often times when I delete emails on the gmail app they still appear in my inbox when I view gmail on my computer. Also can't seem to make gmail automatically update upon opening.
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Can't help you. I use ActiveSync push through the stock mail client and have GMail disabled in settings.
CALENDAR NOTIFICATIONS: Even when I turned off the facebook calendar sync so I wouldn't get 20 birthday reminders every day, the notifications still won't go away. Anything I put in the calendar pops up on the lock screen every single time, even the day before sometimes. Should I use a different calendar app? I like using the 'productivity' lock screen, but this "feature" is killing me.
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This was a problem before .11. I haven't seen it reported recently. Have you tried disabling notifications in the productivity lockscreen settings itself? If it's still happening maybe 2.05 will address it. A lot of the stock apps are receiving updates in 2.05.
Would rooting/ROMing fix these issues? I'm afraid to do it because I'd still like to be able to return the phone if the issues persist.
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Probably not. None of the problems you're reporting are at the level devs typically work in their ROMs. They tend to port the stock apps over as is or just tweak some of the settings options.

get an iphone, be happy

neversayoceans said:
U have a defective piece...
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It's easy to blame HTC for everything that can go wrong on a One X and too many people do. Just like every other Android phone including the SGS3 app conflicts, badly written apps, apps not updated for ICS, and overuse of monitors and analyzers can cause problems. Nothing in OP's post indicates a h/w problem and his or her issues haven’t been widely reported.

BarryH_GEG said:
It's easy to blame HTC for everything that can go wrong on a One X and too many people do. Just like every other Android phone including the SGS3 app conflicts, badly written apps, apps not updated for ICS, and overuse of monitors and analyzers can cause problems. Nothing in OP's post indicates a h/w problem and his or her issues haven’t been widely reported.
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i really feel pitty for HTC really, these guys are damned if they do and damned if they dont
people are more forgiving on the small faults of apple, google and samsung for some reason, heck even sony is more forgiven
the curse of the small guy i guess...

hamdir said:
i really feel pitty for HTC really, these guys are damned if they do and damned if they dont
people are more forgiving on the small faults of apple, google and samsung for some reason, heck even sony is more forgiven
the curse of the small guy i guess...
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You just called HTC the small guy? They are the third largest phone manufacturer in the world.

nooomoto said:
You just called HTC the small guy? They are the third largest phone manufacturer in the world.
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Not really. And it's gotten worse since the end of 2011 when this chart was published.
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Not really. And it's gotten worse since the end of 2011 when this chart was published.
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Yeah they have dropped quite a bit, however I don't think it's at all accurate to call HTC the "little" guy. The OP's problems are not with the hardware, but HTC does it's fair share to screw themselves. They are backlogged with phones waiting for parts for warranty repair, which is why mine has been sitting at some repair facility now for 2 months.

no i agree they did shoot themselves in the foot
the HOX has every ingredient to be a massive success, they have the reviews and the media pre release hype, the screen, the camera, the design and games
pitty early QC and the little issues are getting in the way
still it makes me wonder since when did we stop to enjoy ourselves really because i can't put my hox down the damn thing is just addictive but i admit i fixed most of my problems with unlocking and self effort
the bottom line they r fixable and you can easily unlock full enjoyment out of this device

The gs3 its a magic phone, it will fix all your problems, widgets,messages,www dots, even money problems and family affairs

hamdir said:
no i agree they did shoot themselves in the foot
the HOX has every ingredient to be a massive success, they have the reviews and the media pre release hype, the screen, the camera, the design and games
pitty early QC and the little issues are getting in the way
still it makes me wonder since when did we stop to enjoy ourselves really because i can't put my hox down the damn thing is just addictive but i admit i fixed most of my problems with unlocking and self effort
the bottom line they r fixable and you can easily unlock full enjoyment out of this device
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Yeah I just can't fathom why they would put SO much into the design of a device, and then put it together using such terrible hardware and protocols for quality control.

nooomoto said:
Yeah I just can't fathom why they would put SO much into the design of a device, and then put it together using such terrible hardware and protocols for quality control.
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the hardware is great mine is build like a rock, third time lucky
QC issues are much reduced now, they just rushed and had a screen adhesive issue that was reacting to heat, this is my theory, now this glue issue is fixed
also early software was over heating like crazy

Regarding gmail not syncing properly. Clear data from settings/apps/gmail
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium

All problems solved, HTC is again dragged down the drain, we talked about I-Phone a bit, a bit about Samsung....
Everyone happy, hooray we learned a lot again! :highfive:
@Op, all your demands are fulfilled, well done!
Are you going to keep the phone now?

hamdir said:
the hardware is great mine is build like a rock, third time lucky
QC issues are much reduced now, they just rushed and had a screen adhesive issue that was reacting to heat, this is my theory, now this glue issue is fixed
also early software was over heating like crazy
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Mine quit charging 2 weeks after I bought it, it's been in repair for 2 months waiting for a motherboard

I am really loving this phone, I have had a couple of issues, but HTC will always be my brand, they were the first ones to bring and android phone to the world, they always were ahead of their time and are doing wonders.
I just need to get mine fully unlocked and I will be as happy as the piggy in the proverbial.