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automatic install without hacking rom!

Hi Folks,
i found a trick to make an autoinstall from strorage card (like from extended Rom)!
autorun.exe looks for the file config.txt on the place is in registry stored in:
"HKLM\Comm"
"AutoRunCFG" = "\Speicherkarte\Autoinstall\config.txt"
so i changed the registry entry and now i am able to put config.txt and the files to install on every place i want.
on windows Mobile 2003 devices this works wonderful!
on problem i have now with windows mobile 5 devices:
when installing a question appears where to store files (device or storage card)!
can anybody help me to get rid of this question during automatic cab install??
i want install all cab files to device without any questions!!

pbelcl: apologies for my ignorance, but is this very different to a 2577 folder?
with a 2577 cab we could use this info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=225375#225375
and choose a default install folder I think for WM5.
V

Thanks for your quick answer!
i read the other tread and if i understood it right i have to remove the .dll file from my cabs?
i'll try this and tell you if it worked ....

I think the other way round.
I've never done it before, but you need to make a custom cab and .inf file, and specify the installation location in therere, and then the "choose a location" dialog doesn't come up. I'm not sure, I'll try this at home later.
V

vijay555 said:
...I'll try this at home later.
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Thanks, that would be interesting for me because i cant generate cab files because i hav no developer software for this.
i also have access to a cab file manager (at a customer) where i can edit the cab files and change them as i need it.
if it is possible to generate an "empty" cab file for me that would be nice ....

pbelcl: I never use the cabwizard either, I use cab manager. To make an empty cab, take any normal cab (download one of mine?) and just remove all the files from it. That's what I always do!
V

vijay555 said:
.just remove all the files from it. That's what I always do!V
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ok, this is also my way to get an empty cab file
there is one question interesting:
Sometimes there is a "CheckFile.exe" and a "CeSetup.dll" in the cab file.
Do i need them for any work during install this cabfile or can i delete them also?

I remove everything from my cabs, and then use cab manager and drag and drop stuff. So I've never used those files. I will have to read up on how to make a "normal", but I don't think they're necessary if you didn't put them in there!
V

Hi folks,
again my last problem with automatic install on WM5 devices:
when my automatism starts to install the cab files (from where ever) each time there comes a popup windows where to install the cabfile (storage card or device).
for my routines it is not important becaue most of my cab files only set some registry keys and dont install files on the device!
Does anybody know how i can get rid of this window and install the files to device WITHOUT question popup window??

Creating a ROM-backup ?

Hi,
I have a T-Mobile MDA Pro, and am not quite satisfied with the ROM they installed.
I want to try some different ROMs, like the O2 Exec, but I want to be able to go back to the original.
How can I create a back-up of the ROM, Extended ROM, and Radio ROM that I can put back at a later date ?
I've already seen grab_it by buzz, but that only makes a .bin file and I have no idea how to put that back if I ever want to revert to this state :/
Thank you,
TB

Please use the SEARCH button as this has been discussed already.
ANyway to help you do the following:
1. Download the latest T-Mobile ROM (the exe file) from the XDA Dev FTP site. Then extract this to a folder, say EXPERIMENT
2. Put the BIN file there
3. Go to Buzzdev.net nad follow the procedure to ENCODE/DECODE ROM. This will change the original nk.nbf (the OS) with your BIN file. using HTC64 Extended ROM Tool.exe
4. Then just put the MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe file into this directory also.
Now you have your OS backed up ready to install to a device in the EXPERIMENT directory. Now just make sure the T-Mobile ROM you downloaded has the same radio ROM. If not, download a verison with same radio rom and replace the radio_.nbf file with the downloaded version.
Backing up the ExtendedROm has to be done manually. Just transfer all contents to a alternate directory in the PC then just put it back to replace what's already there.
Hope this helps

What do you do with the dump.bin file though?

Rename it to nk.nbf

Ha - that didn't work.

Did you follow the ENCODE/DECODE procedure in BUZZ's site?

Jorgee said:
Please use the SEARCH button as this has been discussed already.
ANyway to help you do the following:
1. Download the latest T-Mobile ROM (the exe file) from the XDA Dev FTP site. Then extract this to a folder, say EXPERIMENT
2. Put the BIN file there
3. Go to Buzzdev.net nad follow the procedure to ENCODE/DECODE ROM. This will change the original nk.nbf (the OS) with your BIN file. using HTC64 Extended ROM Tool.exe
4. Then just put the MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe file into this directory also.
Now you have your OS backed up ready to install to a device in the EXPERIMENT directory. Now just make sure the T-Mobile ROM you downloaded has the same radio ROM. If not, download a verison with same radio rom and replace the radio_.nbf file with the downloaded version.
Backing up the ExtendedROm has to be done manually. Just transfer all contents to a alternate directory in the PC then just put it back to replace what's already there.
Hope this helps
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Jorgee,
What you mean with:
"Backing up the ExtendedROm has to be done manually. Just transfer all contents to a alternate directory in the PC then just put it back to replace what's already there"
- What is the PPC folder where I find the content of ExtendedROM?
- How I can trasfer to PC, with ActiveSync? Sometimes I received error messages like "unable to convert file format" or something like that...
- How I can transfer back, is not the ExtendedRom locked?
Let me know...
Luca

To view the Extended ROM, just install TOTAL COMMANDER for PPC
Then in the address bar, put : "\\EXTENDED_ROM" (without the quotes)
Then you will see the contents of extended ROM.
If you want, you can copy the contents of the Extended to your SD card instead so you don't have to connect to your PC.
To unlock your extended ROM (to change/delete/edit the stuff there) you need a certain file which is in the FTP under Uploads/Universal/Tools or something to that effect.

Jorgee said:
To view the Extended ROM, just install TOTAL COMMANDER for PPC
Then in the address bar, put : "\\EXTENDED_ROM" (without the quotes)
Then you will see the contents of extended ROM.
If you want, you can copy the contents of the Extended to your SD card instead so you don't have to connect to your PC.
To unlock your extended ROM (to change/delete/edit the stuff there) you need a certain file which is in the FTP under Uploads/Universal/Tools or something to that effect.
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Hello Jorgee,
I've tried to install Total Commander on my v1640 but when I access \\EXTENDED_ROM nothing is shown...
What's missing?
Thanks

lukeduke71 said:
Hello Jorgee,
I've tried to install Total Commander on my v1640 but when I access \\EXTENDED_ROM nothing is shown...
What's missing?
Thanks
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Jorge I found the mistake, \EXTENDED_ROM is with only one back slash and not with two.
Thank you very much for your help...

RomDump to SD card possible on Artemis

This is a long shot, but there was a cab file knocking around the forums, I remember it from the days when i had a HTC Blue Angel. there was a cab file or file that was installed on the SD card that could take a ROM image from the device and then you could install back onto a device if the upgrade failed.
Im just wondering if this is possible and it would help those people out who have bricked there devices.
What im saying is, if i can find this cab file, i could try and get my rom dumped and maybe someone could use this to get an original o2 uk rom back onto there devices.
what do you guys think ?

joey jojo said:
This is a long shot, but there was a cab file knocking around the forums, I remember it from the days when i had a HTC Blue Angel. there was a cab file or file that was installed on the SD card that could take a ROM image from the device and then you could install back onto a device if the upgrade failed.
Im just wondering if this is possible and it would help those people out who have bricked there devices.
What im saying is, if i can find this cab file, i could try and get my rom dumped and maybe someone could use this to get an original o2 uk rom back onto there devices.
what do you guys think ?
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this would be great if you would manage.. would save my orbit!!!!!
please let me know how you get on!...

joey jojo said:
This is a long shot, but there was a cab file knocking around the forums, I remember it from the days when i had a HTC Blue Angel. there was a cab file or file that was installed on the SD card that could take a ROM image from the device and then you could install back onto a device if the upgrade failed.
Im just wondering if this is possible and it would help those people out who have bricked there devices.
What im saying is, if i can find this cab file, i could try and get my rom dumped and maybe someone could use this to get an original o2 uk rom back onto there devices.
what do you guys think ?
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hey joey jo jo... done some searches on this and came up with this link.. don't know if it's what you're thinking of - the instructions aren't for the artemis - but maybe a start?
http://www.modaco.com/Backup_your_Typhoon_ROM-t201334.html

i found this on the Hermes wiki
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_HowtoDumpRom
not sure if this is anything that will/can work, im going to have a look but im still trying to locate that cab file that i used on my years old xda 2s/ Blue angel.
i hope it does work for all you people that have paper weights
any comments from the guru's ??

Try this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279446&page=3 talk about 3 programs...

Pocha said:
Try this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279446&page=3 talk about 3 programs...
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interesting,
ill look at this, cheers.

i only have a 256 mb card and i need someone to let me know if that is big enough for a rom dump....... any one help with this?

seemed ok, just backing rom up now.... will try and put it into a format that can be uploaded, mine is the original rom that came with the o2 uk xda orbit, and will/should help bricked devices back to original rom.

im, currently uploading my dump to the ftp, for anyone who knows how to convert this into something flashable.
i have no idea how to do this, so if anyone knows, please do this or pm me with instructions or link and ill do it tomorrow after work.

What program you use to make the dump? I used WM5 test, and I could make a copy of active ROM, but where this progam saves the files? I can't find any folder with these copied files.

Pocha said:
What program you use to make the dump? I used WM5 test, and I could make a copy of active ROM, but where this progam saves the files? I can't find any folder with these copied files.
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i used grab_it.exe from your prev link mate, i now have an image of the rom, but now need to work out how to turn it into something we can upgrade from.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=238945

In which form grab_it dump ROM file?, I could only used WM5test and this program copy file per file, doesn't create nb or nbh file or something like that...

all it created for me was dump.bin i have no idea what to do with it, but im searching the forums for help.......

joey jojo said:
all it created for me was dump.bin i have no idea what to do with it, but im searching the forums for help.......
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hey... i found this..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-256380.html
hope it helps!

joey jojo said:
all it created for me was dump.bin i have no idea what to do with it, but im searching the forums for help.......
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hope this helps too..
http://buzzdev.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=1
i'm totally new to this but maybe if you use the htc wm5 rom as a base and then decode that to put your image on top, then encode, it will work?
see for nbh format of decoded roms..http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=289830

chickyd said:
hey... i found this..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-256380.html
hope it helps!
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on that link, there is a coment,
Please use the SEARCH button as this has been discussed already.
ANyway to help you do the following:
1. Download the latest T-Mobile ROM (the exe file) from the XDA Dev FTP site. Then extract this to a folder, say EXPERIMENT
2. Put the BIN file there
3. Go to Buzzdev.net nad follow the procedure to ENCODE/DECODE ROM. This will change the original nk.nbf (the OS) with your BIN file. using HTC64 Extended ROM Tool.exe
4. Then just put the MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe file into this directory also.
Now you have your OS backed up ready to install to a device in the EXPERIMENT directory. Now just make sure the T-Mobile ROM you downloaded has the same radio ROM. If not, download a verison with same radio rom and replace the radio_.nbf file with the downloaded version.
Backing up the ExtendedROm has to be done manually. Just transfer all contents to a alternate directory in the PC then just put it back to replace what's already there.
Hope this helps
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i think this will only work with an original o2 rom, which isnt available, and i doubt it would work using another operator rom , will give it a go though.

joey jojo said:
on that link, there is a coment,
i think this will only work with an original o2 rom, which isnt available, and i doubt it would work using another operator rom , will give it a go though.
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problem is also that the encode / decode is discussed re nbf compressed files... and the artemis uses the nbh format. this is what the second link was i posted.
looks tough!

chickyd said:
problem is also that the encode / decode is discussed re nbf compressed files... and the artemis uses the nbh format. this is what the second link was i posted.
looks tough!
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it is tough, i have no experience in this, and i tried, ive pm'd a couple of people and awaiting some responses, but i cant see it happening in the sense that it may not be possible to do the upgrade while in bootloader..
but . . . . the mission continues

hi!
Currently there is no way to make a backup other than with pdocread.exe from itsme (istutils). You can make a backup of the OS, SPL, GSM and Extended ROM with it. The problem begins with flashing it back, I'm still trying to figure out how to do it when the phone is fully functional, there is no way to do it when you r phone is stuck in bootloader mode. The only way would be by reconstructing a .nbh file. The problem is that none of the tools that can make a .nbh file work for the Artemis, because the use a wrong signature size. The one who can help us out here is pof but he is a VERY busy man.

rvbcrs said:
hi!
Currently there is no way to make a backup other than with pdocread.exe from itsme (istutils). You can make a backup of the OS, SPL, GSM and Extended ROM with it. The problem begins with flashing it back, I'm still trying to figure out how to do it when the phone is fully functional, there is no way to do it when you r phone is stuck in bootloader mode. The only way would be by reconstructing a .nbh file. The problem is that none of the tools that can make a .nbh file work for the Artemis, because the use a wrong signature size. The one who can help us out here is pof but he is a VERY busy man.
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Then how is possible that bepe could make a custom ROM for arthemis? I thought if you use nbhtool you can make custom ROM for arthemis, btw I posted a msg in original nbhtool post, about what parameters I need to introduce in order to make a fully operational ROM, because when I entered in bootloader mode, and using putty's tool to comunicate with PDA, my device return this msg:
cmd: getdevingo
ARTE10000 HTCE... (and in nbhtool, parameters are only ARTE1000 or ARTE1100)
Signature size when you decompresing a original NBH file is 128 (in original post some people talk about 1024, but when I cooked ROMs with 1024 I have an upgrade failure, and I must reboot PDA), but I really need to know if in nbhtool on Device I Must enter "ARTE10000" and in CID type "HTCE" or not...

Changing Files in Windows Dir

Hi,
I flashed a new ROM and now I want to change sym.txt in \windows dir, but it's read-only and I can't change that.
How can I write in this directory?
Thanks!

use Total Commander

nope - totalcommander cannot access the ROM, as i am informed. So some files will stay. I don't know yet how to break into on HTC 4350 (Herald)...

If this file is part of ROM you can not change it without cooking a new ROM.
What you can do it overwrite it. The new file will actually be stored on the storage memory but because it has the same name and path as the ROM file the system will go to it instead of the original. At least until you hard reset your device.

levenum said:
If this file is part of ROM you can not change it without cooking a new ROM.
What you can do it overwrite it. The new file will actually be stored on the storage memory but because it has the same name and path as the ROM file the system will go to it instead of the original. At least until you hard reset your device.
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I tried that, it works. Although now the function of this file doesn't work anymore (translation of certain characters by pressing "dot" and "space" on the hardware keyboard of the HTC TyTn).
After editing the file and overwriting the original, nothing happens when I press dot+space...

That is because you ruined the signature (by editing an original file) or used an unsigned file.
All system files in WM 5 and up must be signed.

levenum said:
That is because you ruined the signature (by editing an original file) or used an unsigned file.
All system files in WM 5 and up must be signed.
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Oh I see. Thanks for the information. Can I somehow sign it myself?

Yes, the WM 5 / 6 SDKs contain the tools and sample signatures, but you need to "provision" your device (put the signature in so it will be recognized).
If you do a search on this forum you will find all the info you need.

Delete File in Windows Mobile 6

Hi, how can I delete a file in \Windows folder? it seems complaining that the file is in ROM, I had tried many way even using other File Explorer or via ActiveSync. None of them work.
How can I delete a file in \Windows folder in my Microsoft Windows Mobile 6?

Maybe Resco Explorer or Total Commander CE will help.

if it's built in the rom, you might be unable to delete that file.
Please be more specific: which file do you wish to delete?
Maybe you'd have to recook the ROM without that file.
Regards,
EquinoXe

Things built into the rom are "READ ONLY MEMORY" therefore cannot be deleted. if the file is only marked as system and readonly though you can change its atributes using total commander. just long click on item to bring up menu and go to properties. there you need to uncheck everything and delete

I had downloaded Total Commander and installed it, the checked file attributes are 'read only' and 'in rom'; so I guess the file shall be consider undeleteable.
Now I had to learn how to recook, any good guide how can I recook the ROM that I have?

similar problem
I downloaded some software and it came up as being faulty software. The file was a zip folder titled : res_ppc-custom.icons
I tried through my windows mobile device center to uninstall it, but it was never actually installed completely in the first place.
I then tried to delete the file a few times. Once directly from my pda, once through the device center and again through my pc windows explorer. All three attempts were unsuccessful.
How can I get rid of this thing?
Thanks in advance

perhaps you may want to check if the file being accessed by other software, easiest way is to soft reset and try to delete it.

That did the trick! Thanks so much

Move files to storage card
OK I want to move some files (not ROM) in Windows and keep getting error. For example Opera.exe is not marked as anything in properties yet I can't seem to delete the file. I did copy it to my storage card without any issue but can't delete the original from Windows directory. Any suggestions since Total Commander won't delete it. Will edit registry to find it on the Storage Card.

Deleting files in Windows folder
mynullvoid said:
Hi, how can I delete a file in \Windows folder? it seems complaining that the file is in ROM, I had tried many way even using other File Explorer or via ActiveSync. None of them work.
How can I delete a file in \Windows folder in my Microsoft Windows Mobile 6?
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I have the same problem - I have colpilot.wm6ppc.cab in my Windows directory. It's 12.6mb, I don't want it, and it's taking up a lot of storage space. My phone is a T-Mobile MDA and it obviously came with CoPilot as an option, but I think it's really unfair that the cab is right there in the Windows dir and I can't get rid of it....
Any help gratefully received....
Cheers,
Ed.

The cab is cooked in as part of the rom; there's nothing you can do about it, except flash a custom rom (this is one of the main reasons people flash custom roms). Be glad it was installed as a cab and not as a full package-at least cabs are compressed are a single file.

Farmer Ted said:
The cab is cooked in as part of the rom; there's nothing you can do about it, except flash a custom rom (this is one of the main reasons people flash custom roms). Be glad it was installed as a cab and not as a full package-at least cabs are compressed are a single file.
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I think the issue is not on the files in ROM.
I have the same problem. I've copied a file under Windows folder and after that I'm unable to delete it.
Strangely I'm able to rename it, which should mean that file is not in use, however deletion is not possible.
I've used TotalCommander, the built-in Explorer and also connected the phone via ActiveSync, but still nothing happens and access seems to be denied.
The exact message is "deletion error".
Any idea?
Thanks.
Cheers...
-nOra-

A very common problem with Windows explorer is reported on all Windows help forums. I've seen people complaining about problem with long path files deletion.
Some common problems with Windows Explorer people talk about:
- Doesn't allow to delete files with long path names
- Pops up error while deleting unwanted files or unnecessary files
- Errors like: Access denied, sharing violation, source in use etc.
I've found a very simple but smart solution for all these above mentioned common problems. A very simple but powerful tool to overcome these problems. Everyone who plays with the files must have this tool. Its compatible with all versions of Microsoft Windows.

johnylog.software said:
A very common problem with Windows explorer is reported on all Windows help forums. I've seen people complaining about problem with long path files deletion.
Some common problems with Windows Explorer people talk about:
- Doesn't allow to delete files with long path names
- Pops up error while deleting unwanted files or unnecessary files
- Errors like: Access denied, sharing violation, source in use etc.
I've found a very simple but smart solution for all these above mentioned common problems. A very simple but powerful tool to overcome these problems. Everyone who plays with the files must have this tool. Its compatible with all versions of Microsoft Windows.
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Could you please tell us the name of this wonderfull tool, and how to have?

djulen said:
Could you please tell us the name of this wonderfull tool, and how to have?
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Based on how he said it, I have to really wonder if he really does have such a tool...

badbwoydes said:
Based on how he said it, I have to really wonder if he really does have such a tool...
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Use Total Commander to modify the contents of the \Windows directory.

Yes, but you won't be able to delete a ROM file anyway.
In the \Windows folder, you commonly encounter three kinds of files :
- Pure ROM files (can't be deleted nor renamed nor moved, nor even copied, but can be overwritten, consuming internal storage memory space in the process to store the new copy, that will become used instead) ;
- Files put there by installation CABs or else (can be freely deleted, renamed or moved, provided they're not currently used by a running process) ;
- Files put on top of previously existing ROM files, wearing the same name (deleting, renaming or moving them will thus make the original ROM file undertneath to reappear with its original contents and attributes).
Once you've understood that, you'll be more aware of what's cooking there.
ROM files can't even be copied, but you can use ROMExtractor to copy them elsewhere, in case you want to study them, or use them in your own ROM (useful to get up-to date versions from another HTC device to cook your own ROM).
Since ROMExtractor is a very minimalistic tool (you have to type in all the files names with their path, same for the target copy, all one by one !) manually extracting hundreds (even thousands) of files is a very tedious taks, I made a MortScript to automate the process in order to extract all those DLLs, EXEs, MUIs, etc. files that can't be directly copied from a phone's ROM.
On the other hand, you absolutely can't delete a ROM file to make room. Overwriting it with a file wearing the same name will jut result in actually adding the new file, thus consuming even more room. The new file will just be used instead of the original one (so you can still update or personalize the ROM).
As a direct consequence, the only way to get rid of unwanted ROM files or permanently replacing them with up-to-date ones is to cook a ROM and flash it to the device to replace the old one.
That's way how operating systems can become better and better, and save space at the same time.
And no, Windows Mobile isn't dead : I'm not quite finished with fixing it until it's perfect, so it's not over yet. LOL