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Have there been any pics released of the official car dock for Droid X? Or any other Droid X-specific car docks?
There have been. There were videos as well. I cannot remember where though. I want to know how it knows when it is plugged in and if this could be replicated so that I can use a cheaper dock...
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=droid+x+car+dock
lol at navychief52 I didn't know such a thing, i'm going to use it all the time now.
But yes it can be replicated, here's the new feature though that you loose by using a generic car dock. It has a built in charging port, which means you can just slide your phone into the dock and not have to wire up a charger to it too.
as for the part where you put it in and it automatically starts up the car app, all you need is a magnet, atleast thats how i found the last droid docks worked. I don't know what strength it has to be for it's magnetic sensor to trigger the app, but I don't think it has to be very powerful at all. But I would glue that to the back of your generic car dock and you should be good to go. I know thats what I'll be doing.
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as for the part where you put it in and it automatically starts up the car app, all you need is a magnet, atleast thats how i found the last droid docks worked. I don't know what strength it has to be for it's magnetic sensor to trigger the app, but I don't think it has to be very powerful at all. But I would glue that to the back of your generic car dock and you should be good to go. I know thats what I'll be doing.
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Ah thanks for that! I figured it would just be a magnet but wasn't sure. If I could find a dock with a nice beefy arm like the oem car dock then I would just use that. So far the only kind that I find are the ones that have a long bendable metal tube. Need something with more strength... To be fair I have not been looking too hard core yet.
I just do not like the idea of buying a dock for a device that I will probably not have a year later...
Besides the Droid X being unveiled today in New York, this car dock made an appearance as well.
can you keep the line in audio plug plugged into the car dock or do you need to plug it in manually to the phone everytime? I use a line in plug
I've looked at everything, but I cannot find an answer to this.
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can you keep the line in audio plug plugged into the car dock or do you need to plug it in manually to the phone everytime? I use a line in plug
I've looked at everything, but I cannot find an answer to this.
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It has a cable loom on the car dock for the wire however it goes into the phone.
Only the USB goes to the dock.
They really need to figure out a pass through or something for these things.
At least the dock is very solid and easy to use. But agreed, would have been nice to plug jack into dock and dock have attached short cable to go into phone. So even if you have to plug every time, it is made easier.
Looks like I'll just get this bluetooth adapter for my car instead.
http://www.google.com/products?q=kensington+liquidaux+auxiliary+bluetooth+car+kit&hl=en&aq=f
Anyone know of something similar that plugs into an aux line like this one? I might get this, but I'm open to different stuff if it's better.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/accessory?action=accessoryDetails&archetypeId=12202
just ordered this: https://www.wiredforless.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=SOUNDM2
when you check out, use the coupon code: WOOT for $20 off ($9.99 total including shipping)
can't beat that price and it looks like a pretty solid car dock. first review mentions that it is good with the Droid X.
thanks for the heads up! it looks pretty good! however, im concerned with the adhesive disk that is applied to our devices.... does it stick out... and would it affect cases and other things etc...
i honestly am not sure, but i ordered a ****ty $1 silicone case from ebay that i'll be using with the mount haha.
Silcon isn't that the soft cases? i'm not sure that would hold my phone tight enough, i drive a truck so there is lots of bouncing around. I think i'm gonna buy a cheep belt clip case, that way i can just clip the phone in and out.
so my mount came in literally 2 days after i ordered. ridiculously fast shipping; they must be located nearby. haven't installed yet but it's pretty small and unobtrusive. seems like a good buy thus far. the discs that stick to the back of your device (comes with 2) are a lot skinnier than i thought they would be. might just put it on my normal everyday case. i don't think i'll run into problems slipping it in and out of my project with the disc on the back.
I've ordered mine as well as ordering a cheep belt clip so i can snap it in and out. Too me the twisting motion (while awesome for the secure locking) seems a bit much for my lifestyle of always jumping in and out of my car.
Ill probably use the 2nd disc on the same clip so i can have landscape and portrait
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Just ordered one myself. For $10 shipped, I figured I might as well give it a shot.
I got my "Slip Grip" mount in the mail today and for the $20 bucks it cost it is very much worth it.
The mount is VERY sturdy, seller shipped it same day too!! Check it out!
Only downside is it is just a mount, it doesn't have any plugs for power n such, but does leave all of the ports available if you had like a car charger or AUX cable running while it is in there.
Got the car mount from vzw today have to say it is bulkier than my Droid 1 mount, but that is expected with this phone. Looks good on the dash mount in an F250.
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Ive been plagued by the thought that the damn dock should...by all accounts have a USB out. Now I suppose that it may have came down to a decision point of "Which is the more likely scenario... audio out or USB to a computer out", but I find myself squarely in the "dont care about audio" side of that debate.
The idea would be to crack this little sucker open, see whats inside and (hopefully) take the micro-usb connection that it has out the back of the dock with a new tip.
Now that Ive opened it up, I believe I can get there. I'll tinker around with it in the next few days to verify things like theres no "control" (or similar) signal running through the USB connections from a power perspective and whatnot. If I can do it, it will be my intent to make it look as stock as I can and I'll be sure to post any walkthroughs, pics, etc that somebody else might want.
To open it up, you have to remove the rubber pad from the bottom. Its got a lot of adhesive on it and (at least in my case) looks like something that I can successfully stick back on.
Under that, you'll find what appears to be depressions in the plastic bottom. Take a utility knife (or similar) and cut around the edges of the depressions. They are part of a plastic film that I saw absolutely no reason to be afraid of removing.
Once the holes are exposed, you'll need a T4 bit to remove the screws. Then you can just open it up.
Thats the extent of my exploration so far...
Heres a pic:
While you are at it...
Would you mind checking which of the connectors for charging is (+) and which is (-)? If I am really trying to build that alternative charger connector then I'll need to know. Thanks man!
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Would you mind checking which of the connectors for charging is (+) and which is (-)? If I am really trying to build that alternative charger connector then I'll need to know. Thanks man!
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The power is run to the right pin, if you were just starring at the device from the front.
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The power is run to the right pin, if you were just starring at the device from the front.
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This will come in handy when the time is right! :thumb up:
as far as i can tell all you would need to do is make sure there is enuff room and put a male to female cable inside. No need to mess with the board inside.
I think you've got a great idea. Any Progress yet.
Thanks for posting this picture. I'm going to do a straightforward mod by simply drilling a hole out the backside of the dock, running the wire through the hole and soldering the leads together. This method keeps me from having to dremel an exact fit USB-A connection and providing an internal support for the port.
Oooooh yeah, mine will be ghetto rigged tonight. I'll order a female mini USB socket from digikey or somewhere to make it a little better in the future - but for tonight its getting hacked together.
Thanks for the pic, it was just enough encouragement to take it apart.
I'm tempted to buy the cradle, is there any way you can take a picture of the front and back of the PCB, I'm curious if there are existing pads for the USB cable.
I'm also curious about the possibility of adding a micro HDMI connection to the standard dock to make a "Swiss Army" dock, those pictures would help be get a better idea if I should buy this dock or the HDMI dock.
I don't understand why Moto didn't make a dock with power, HDMI, USB, and headphone. Then you can keep everything hooked to the dock and add/remove the device as desired. This is how most PC docks work. Is there a technical issue that would preclude all ports being brought out from the bottom connections (understanding the devices headphone jack is on the top)??
A design issue I see as far as wear and tear is the lack of docking "keys" built into the bottom of the device to aid in port alignment. It seems like getting the right alignment will be hit and miss and could put undo stress on the ports.
You were using a nail clipper to open it?
If I spend the cash for a moto brand dock, I am going to add a fullsize USB/HDMI and power to it. There is no excuse for not including these.
Do it and post the instructions, I want
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ive modded my dock to have a usb in so i can use the dock and have my hard drive connected at the same time you can check it out @
forum.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?p=835069&posted=1#post835069
Hi, I'm bumping this thread to ask if there's any chip or so in the dock to control the audio? I would lika to make a microUSB to 3.5mm cable to avoid the distrubances from the wifi in the badly insulated headphone-port.
I imagine there must be since usb is a digital signal and headphones use analog signals. Maybe I should go all the way and make a pocket amp instead
Thanks
So, on my way to work this morning I was in my car fiddling with my phone while driving. Yes, I know i'm not supposed to and it's dangerous! But god damnit i'm used to having a car dock. Its not my fault vzw decided to release this...how should I put it big piece of fecal matter into the market.
Okay so long story short, I almost got in an accident because i was trying to switch songs in google music but b/c i have no car dock, I had to look down. I've lived the past 2 years with my og droid with the car dock. I really wanted to wait for something better, cause honestly without the 3 pin function built into the dock, i didn't want to spend this money. But i finally gave in due to my safety, and the safety of others.
Now here is my review:
Ill start with the good.
-The dock is extremely sturdy. I think once the phone is put into the holder, it will honestly never come out as long as you've secured the base correctly.
-The material that surrounds the phone is very nice
-It's easy to move the phone while its in the dock. meaning lets say my passenger wants to have a look and fool around with the dock, she or he can easily just pop that screen facing his / her way and tighten the bolt.
-It fits with the extended battery
Now the bad:
-This one is obvious. No 3 pin connection????? WTF ARE YOU THINKING VERIZON.
-The phone takes FORCE to put into the dock, and I mean with both hands. I am so gentle with my g-nex usually.... its almost like im molesting it trying to get it in the dock.
-NO charge / audio out on the base of the dock. Again i say, WTF ARE YOU THINKING VERIZON
-The part of the dock that surrounds the 3.5mm audio out jack DOESNT FIT bigger cables. Meaning, if you spent extra money to buy a good 3.5mm cable thats thick, it probably wont fit. I have a belkin pure a/v 3.5mm cable and it does not fit. Most likely will only fit regular sized 3.5mm cables
-Because the dock material is kind of...like rubber i guess? When you forcefully slide the phone in(you have to) it makes me paranoid about the volume / power buttons. To me, it feels like over 100 slide-ins, the keys would probably get damaged because of the force you need to use and how tight the dock fits.
Honestly, if the dock just had the 3 pin connection for audio out / charge i would rate the dock 10/10 for that alone. But because it doesnt, im giving it a rating of 3/10. I bought a gnex for the sole purpose of utilizing those 3 pins so i dont have to plug **** in every damn time i get in and out of the car. But for now, it serves its purpose as purely a phone holder.
Can you confirm that a car dock app doesn't pop up automatically? I use Car Dashboard Pro.
I can confirm...since it is merely a place to put a phone with no automatic port to plug into it technically doesn't even know it is in a dock.
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I completely agree with your review--I ended up picking it up, strictly because I needed nav on a road trip...but still not happy about having to buy this thing.
Have you guys checked out the reviews for this thing on the Verizon site? All of the reviews are 1/5 or 2/5 stars (first review by yours truly)...yet somehow the overall rating is 5/5. Verizon should learn how to cheat at product ratings less obviously...
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...ryDetails&archetypeId=12924&accessoryId=49882
I just received and installed the official Samsung car mount. Physically, it has incredible build quality. Both the suction piece and the actual arm look and feel as if they were designed to withstand people trying to break it. The aesthetics are also top notch. Performance is what I was looking for. I no longer have to plug in my headphone jack into my phone every time I get in the car. I can now pop my phone in and leave Pandora running with the screen on without worrying about being distracted when changing songs or draining battery life. The adjustments available are perfect for me since I mounted mines on the windshield. If you want to mount it somewhere else using the plastic dash piece they give you, the fixed arm and adjustable joint may not provide you with as much mobility as you'd need--depending on where you mount it.
This dock is easily worth the $36 I paid for it, that much I know for certain. I have a similar dock from when I had my iPhone 3GS and it looks flimsy and cheap compared to the Samsung mount even though both cost approximately the same. For the price, the dock and charger combo are hard to beat. It's also a lot more convenient to use than a dock that doesn't have the phone connections built in.
All in all, I'm incredibly satisfied with the purchase.
In case you're wondering how it hooks up, here's a youtube link for the T-mobile Galaxy S2 that another user posted. The Sprint version is exactly the same, except for adjustments made to the flexible plastic to fit our phone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8XNr7A91j0
thanks for this, megatron! I dont want to okie dokie my phone if I dont need to and this looks really nice and durable...appreciate the post.
rayandreas said:
thanks for this, megatron! I dont want to okie dokie my phone if I dont need to and this looks really nice and durable...appreciate the post.
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No problem. Be sure to note that it may not fit your phone if you use a case. I haven't pushed the charger yet to see how much of a load it can handle before the energy use by the phone outpaces the power supplied by the charger. Thus far, I've only run Pandora with the screen on a 100% of the time and it still charged the phone a good amount. I'm hoping I eventually get the chance to test out google maps or navigation with pandora running to see how the charger holds up against that type of drain.
i have this, very happy with it so far.
Question: How does the phone know it's docked to activate Car Mode? Is there a magnet in the dock that the phone picks up on like the old DROIDs?
Based on this review, I've ordered one of the mounts for myself. I'll report back when it comes in!
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Question: How does the phone know it's docked to activate Car Mode? Is there a magnet in the dock that the phone picks up on like the old DROIDs?
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I believe it detects a certain resistance or short across a couple of the USB pins.
I posted this earlier in the long thread about the official car dock with pogo pins that has still not been released but I don't want to derail the main topic of that thread so here is a new one, with a bit more detail added.
I have the steps that I actually took to do this listed below. I think there is probably room for improvement and many ways to accomplish the same end result depending on whatever strong skills you may have or what tools you happen to have. Not every step has a picture associated with it because either I couldn't hold a camera and do it at the same time or it just wasn't worth it to photograph a mundane task like tracing a line.
Also, keep in mind I was doing this for a GSM nexus. I can test whether an LTE nexus (both standard & extended battery) will charge in the dock sometime on Tuesday or Wednesday.
Tools & materials used are described throughout. After the steps/pictures I have some concluding thoughts including some lessons learned, things I would do differently, and some alternate ideas others might wish to consider.
DISCLAIMER: Bad photography ahead.
Step 1: Grab a good beer, somehow these things always take longer than you expect.
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Step 2: Tape the phone & dock where you will be measuring with a caliper or holding it in a vise. I used masking tape which turned out to have the extra benefit of being able to see the contact points through it. Take a lot of measurements. You end up drilling the dock blindly so your results all start in how carefully you measure things. Don't use the numbers on my caliper for your own use... Somewhere around the time of these pictures I accidently zeroed the caliper so I don't know which ones are showing correct values or not. I only realized this because I measured everything again and realized something wasn't right with the numbers.
Step 3: Double check your measurements, make sure everything is square... I want to say the following picture is over board on my part... but it really is a fine line between making contact b/w the pins and the phone 100% of the time, 50% of the time, or hardly ever.
Step 4: I used a pencil to trace a line from the contacts up the side of the phone, and onto the front glass. I then place the phone in the dock and put a new piece of tape from the edge of the phone around the edge of the dock and traced the line back over the dock so that I had a good reference for where to drill in the side-to-side dimension. The vertical dimension was purely based off my measurement from the face of the phone down to the contact points. Because the glass is curved, take separate measurements for each pin.
Step 5: At this point I used a 1/16" drill bit to make two holes and then pushed the pogo pins through. Before proceeding I hooked up 5V power using aligator clips to the pins and put the phone in the dock just to make sure everything was in the right place before I really made anything permanent. In this picture the pins are only held in place by friction. The dock is very rubbery at this location which is nice for holding the pins in place. You can see how well you lined up the holes by placing the phone in the dock and looking through the holes. You absolutely want to see the entire gold contact nicely centered in there. If not, fix things now before proceeding.
Step 6: I then took a car charger and cut the micro USB end off. There really isn't much to picture here. I happened to use a car charger with a permanently attached cord so there were no data wires. If you use a USB cord that contains 4 wires, usually red, green, white, and black, just tape off the green and white (date + & data -), and use the red (+ 5V DC) and black (ground). The pogo pin closest to the power button is the ground and the pin closest to the bottom is for 5V (I confirmed this for both the LTE & GSM models). Middle pin, assuming the same paradigm used for the nexus one, is for signaling the type of dock and the bluetooth id of the dock.
Step 7: I soldered the 5V and GND wires to the pins as described, sealed some exposed conductor with heat shrink, and used an epoxy to permanently seal them in place. You want to make sure you use an epoxy that bonds plastic and I would also recommend one that advertises some level of flex/gel. If it's too rigid or poorly bonded to plastic you could end up cracking off on the very first insertion. Make absolutely sure that the pogo pin plunger is the only part of the pogo pin that is on the inside of the dock. Even a small portion of the rigid part will cause you problems when you push the phone in and it pops the pins back out or damages the epoxy.
So, did it work...
After waiting enough time for the epoxy to set I got what I had hoped for.
I also added an NFC tag to the inside that I'm using to turn on bluetooth, set car mode, etc, etc...
Here's a few extra pics:
It successfully charges my GSM nexus with both the standard and extended battery. It would appear to me that the dock holds the phone with the position of the front glass relative to the lip of the dock in a constant position. So I'm assuming my wife's LTE nexus will be able to charge on the dock as well (will test on Tuesday/Wednesday). That would be really good news for VZW people who aren't up to the modification but would like to buy the GSM dock if it ever comes to market. At this point at least, it can concluded that it's possible to make a dock that charges the GSM model with both the standard and extended battery with the pogo pins in a fixed position.
Now that it's been done once the thing that would make this an extremely fast and easy mod in my mind would be a drill guide jig. An L-shaped jig with drill guide holes that you simple place against a reference point on the dock and drill in the holes and never have to worry about all that measuring and how well you measure.
I also wish I hadn't soldered the pins to a fixed car charger. Now I'm tied to that thing unless I want to cut the cord and splice a new USB plug on the end. In hindsight I actually wish I had used a 2 conductor "boot" close to the pogo pins that would allow me change the cord easy and provide some level of emergency strain relief or break-free ability if the cord were to get yanked. On the topic of strain relief, this is why I recommend right angle leads off the pogo pins. It also might be a good idea to adhere the cord to a spot on the back of the part that holds the phone so that a snap tug on the cord pulls on that and not your pogo pin connection. It feels very durable and I don't expect any problems it's just something I would recommend.
As for the NFC tag, I would use the thin adhesive tags, you don't want anything thick enough to change the contact position. I used a 1K tag so that there was plenty of storage for long instructions/information that may be handy to write to it. Right now it just launches car home, maxes the media volume, starts bluetooth, turns off wifi, and sets a high brightness level.
Finally, I wish I had gone ahead and installed a middle pogo pin with a free hanging wire lead off of it. Just in case I felt up to going down that rabbit hole in the future. I wish I still had a nexus one dock around to see if the signal pin on those docks would communicate on the galaxy nexus middle pin. I know, different OEMs (HTC) but the code is Google's so I figure there's a 50/50 chance it actually would work.
Your move, Samsung.
Definitely going to try this. Where'd you get the pogo pins?
Also, the third pin ::should:: be shorted to ground to trigger car dock, if that's the purpose of it.
Keep in mind that the OEM GSM dock plays music through those 3 pins somehow, though it makes no sense to me whatsoever. Not enough pins.
Jewremy said:
Definitely going to try this. Where'd you get the pogo pins?
Also, the third pin ::should:: be shorted to ground to trigger car dock, if that's the purpose of it.
Keep in mind that the OEM GSM dock plays music through those 3 pins somehow, though it makes no sense to me whatsoever. Not enough pins.
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The stock docks play the audio over bluetooth since it'll help alleviate any grounding issues/hiss that may occur. One of the reasons they cost so much.
Jewremy said:
Definitely going to try this. Where'd you get the pogo pins?
Also, the third pin ::should:: be shorted to ground to trigger car dock, if that's the purpose of it.
Keep in mind that the OEM GSM dock plays music through those 3 pins somehow, though it makes no sense to me whatsoever. Not enough pins.
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Shorting to the ground is definitely not how the dock pin worked for the nexus one. Audio is also definitely not over the pin, its by Bluetooth. I've seen the code somewhere that insinuates the dock identifies whether it is a car or desk dock and its Bluetooth MAC. Shorting to ground isn't going to do anything.
Jewremy said:
Definitely going to try this. Where'd you get the pogo pins?
Also, the third pin ::should:: be shorted to ground to trigger car dock, if that's the purpose of it.
Keep in mind that the OEM GSM dock plays music through those 3 pins somehow, though it makes no sense to me whatsoever. Not enough pins.
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Pogo pins were left over from some other project. Take a look at digikey or someplace like it. Might have to search for "spring contacts" or "pogo pins/contacts".. different vendors seem to use different terminology.
Hmm i don't understand the north to south measurement couldn't you extend the marks around the tape to get the height and the all you need is the distance from the top... not sure if that makes sense
The NFC tag can be hidden behind the glossy cover for the mount attachment. It's only held on by two all adhesive strips that run along the long edges of it.
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The NFC tag can be hidden behind the glossy cover for the mount attachment. It's only held on by two all adhesive strips that run along the long edges of it.
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Good idea, I sort of like it exposed right now but I think I'll eventually do that.
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Hmm i don't understand the north to south measurement couldn't you extend the marks around the tape to get the height and the all you need is the distance from the top... not sure if that makes sense
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Unfortunately I'm not sure I understand what you're describing. I'd like to know because I'm certain there are some clever and better ways then my own.
If you extend the holes with a pencil to top side of the phone on the tape when you put it in the doc you know their location, then all you need is your measurement from the top and you are all set.. I dont have a laser like yours though
Great work! Which dock did you use for this?
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If you extend the holes with a pencil to top side of the phone on the tape when you put it in the doc you know their location, then all you need is your measurement from the top and you are all set.. I dont have a laser like yours though
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Oh, I did that. Guess I didn't explain it better.
nmprodan said:
Great work! Which dock did you use for this?
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The Verizon galaxy nexus dock.
http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/0930-0-15-20-75-14-11-0/ED90344-ND/1873757
Would a pin like that work?
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http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/0930-0-15-20-75-14-11-0/ED90344-ND/1873757
Would a pin like that work?
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yea, that looks good. Actually looks shorter than the ones I used so I think it might be even better than the ones I used. Just did some searching on that site and found some that look similar to the ones I used http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/829-22-003-20-001101/ED90504-ND/2416224. Looks like they come in a connector already but they're easy to remove from those kinds of connectors by just pushing the pins out. I like the style you found though. Ideally you don't want the lead part sticking out too far from the dock for a clean look so a pin that's just a hair bigger than the thickness of the side-wall of the dock is best. I say go with one of the style you posted over the ones that look similar to what I used.
Mil-Max (the mfg in the digikey ad) will send out a few samples. I got 20 to try and make my version of this.
What device is making the laser lines?
Would these work so you could have connectivity to all 3 pogo pins? I'd like to be able to play audio as well as charge the phone.
http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/811-22-003-30-000101/ED8110-03-ND/682271
chuckdz3 said:
Would these work so you could have connectivity to all 3 pogo pins? I'd like to be able to play audio as well as charge the phone.
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I *think* that might work. I grabbed a set of (older analog) calipers to measure the pogopins on my LTE GNex and found some estimates. It looks to me that the pogopins are spaced ~.112" apart (from center to center) and are ~.042" in diameter. The pins you found on digikey list the spacing between each pin to be ~.100" apart (from center to center) and ~.042" in diameter.
With those measurements in mind, there would be some slight overlap of the outer two pins onto the plastic casing but the pins would likely still strike the connector on the phone.
Keep in mind though that a number of users have noted that the center pin is not used for audio. I have no personal knowledge of this but I am passing the info along. Apparently audio is passed via bluetooth to a receiver in the mount which converts it to a line level output that is seen on the mount itself.
(Also, I guess I cannot include the hyperlink you had because I am too new to xda)
Update: I stand corrected, as noted later in this thread the spacing is .118" for the GNex pogopins. Apologies for the misinformation.
The GN pogo pin spacing is 3mm (.118"). The All the Digi-Key pins mounted in strips seem to be .1" spacing which I think will be marginal, or at least make the position of the pins really critical.