A year of 7 ago I owned an IPAQ 3780. On that device you could change the amount of memory and storage. More memory and less storage or otherwise.
According to the HTC website, the HTC diamond has:
ROM: 256 MB
RAM: 192 MB DDR SDRAM
Internal storage: 4 GB
Most roms with TF3D enabled have around 60MB ram left after booting.
Still it makes me wonder why we can't change that amount by making the internal storage smaller and add it to the memory. The device comes with a 4GB internal storage, so what is the point of having a large 'standard' storage. It is not that difficult to move pointers to 'my documents' to 'internal storage\my documents' etc.
But asking this, i think Rom builders already know there is a reason why the RAM can't be enlarged.
Please enlight me with the answer or start discussing how to build such a rom.
That's impossible, absolute different technologies in RAM and storage.. And btw, 64MB of RAM is used for video acceleration, and 60MB goes to Windows Mobile..
In your old Ipaq storage and memory were the same. When the battery was empty all your data was lost. Only the os was kept in the rom. Since Windows Mobile 5 all your saved data is in the rom - and cannot be lost when the battery is empty.
so you can not enlarge the rom by decreasing the ram - its completely different hardware.
Yep, those were the days of WM3 where that was an option to the end user. Even if such an option existed today, how many would actually subtracted the storage for more ram? Well, every user is different. The way I use Ram vs. Rom on this device is basically straight down the middle.
To each is own! The trick here is to work with what we have. I think we aren't doing to bad at all!
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That's impossible, absolute different technologies in RAM and storage.. And btw, 64MB of RAM is used for video acceleration, and 60MB goes to Windows Mobile..
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Oke, that answers it.
Though 64MB for video acceleration is a huge buffer for this 640*480 pixels screen. Stealing memory there?
xavalon said:
Oke, that answers it.
Though 64MB for video acceleration is a huge buffer for this 640*480 pixels screen. Stealing memory there?
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Kindly check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402747
Hi All
I did bring this up before and on another thread, but thought it may be worth some collective advice for everyone.
For the TP2....
The specified RAM is 288mb - TOTAL
The specified ROM is 512mb - TOTAL
My TP2 shows only 188mb of RAM in 'total' (not 288) and 277mb of 'total' Storage which is well away from the specified 512mb.
With a working RAM total of just 188mb, with 100+mb in use (for the OS + TFlo - which is a bloody lot!) with no apps running at all, this leaves less than 100mb to actually 'run' apps and gives the user 'out of memory' issues if 2 large apps (like GPS and Photo Gallery are trying to run) - check yours by all means...
My TP2 often shows over 130mb in use (just for the OS and TF) - with no apps running at all - which leaves less that 60mb to run apps!! (There is a big problem with this device globally, or maybe just mine).
Unless i have the wrong end of the stick in my understanding completely (and i might!), this should be what we get - 512mb storage and 288mb RAM (each as totals).
I note that the RAM difference has been mentioned in another thread, and a fix from HTC is available only for the Hong Kong version to date. Someone suggested that it only relates to what is displayed, not what is actually in use, but with the above info, this seems not to be the case as the memory is very much affected.
Can someone shed some more experienced light on this whole memory thing...?
I think that the OS + TFlo using 100mb's or more of available RAM is waaay too high. My old Dopod 838 Pro, with WinMo 6.1 + SPB Mobile Shell 2.1.5 running uses less than 30mb of RAM.
So what the hell is going on here...?
Cheers
Jabberoo
jabberoo said:
Hi All
I did bring this up before and on another thread, but thought it may be worth some collective advice for everyone.
For the TP2....
The specified RAM is 288mb - TOTAL
The specified ROM is 512mb - TOTAL
My TP2 shows only 188mb of RAM in 'total' (not 288) and 277mb of 'total' Storage which is well away from the specified 512mb.
With a working RAM total of just 188mb, with 100+mb in use (for the OS + TFlo - which is a bloody lot!) with no apps running at all, this leaves less than 100mb to actually 'run' apps and gives the user 'out of memory' issues if 2 large apps (like GPS and Photo Gallery are trying to run) - check yours by all means...
My TP2 often shows over 130mb in use (just for the OS and TF) - with no apps running at all - which leaves less that 60mb to run apps!! (There is a big problem with this device globally, or maybe just mine).
Unless i have the wrong end of the stick in my understanding completely (and i might!), this should be what we get - 512mb storage and 288mb RAM (each as totals).
I note that the RAM difference has been mentioned in another thread, and a fix from HTC is available only for the Hong Kong version to date. Someone suggested that it only relates to what is displayed, not what is actually in use, but with the above info, this seems not to be the case as the memory is very much affected.
Can someone shed some more experienced light on this whole memory thing...?
I think that the OS + TFlo using 100mb's or more of available RAM is waaay too high. My old Dopod 838 Pro, with WinMo 6.1 + SPB Mobile Shell 2.1.5 running uses less than 30mb of RAM.
So what the hell is going on here...?
Cheers
Jabberoo
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did you check your device information -> hardware ?
RAM should say 288 and ROM 512, if RAM is 256, upgrade your TP2 ROM
if you're looking the RAM and ROM size in the memory settings, you are looking at the wrong channel mate...
cheers!
Damn, mine says 256. But I have no idea how to upgrade.
I posted a separte thread on this but unfortunately haven't had responses. In Device Information, my ROM version shows as 1.14.161.5 (50207) WWE. I have a Vodafone TP2 which I got on a business contract about 10 days.
Everyone else on this forum that I have seen reports ROM version as 1.19.x.x
Do I have a real old version? Where should I be looking for a ROM update? There's only a couple of hotfixes listed on the HP site, no ROMs, and I can't find anything on the Vodafone site yet.
Any info much appreciated!
HTC put a new ROM on their site just 2 or 3 days ago, which specifically fixes the 288MB RAM size, but they also say you may have to wait until your provider makes this available. The HTC support site also has instructions on how to load the new ROM.
piet8stevens said:
HTC put a new ROM on their site just 2 or 3 days ago, which specifically fixes the 288MB RAM size, but they also say you may have to wait until your provider makes this available. The HTC support site also has instructions on how to load the new ROM.
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HTC put a new ROM on their SEA site, it doesn't appear to be suitable for phones from other regions, let alone phones from the network operators :-(
Gordon
gunggu said:
did you check your device information -> hardware ?
RAM should say 288 and ROM 512, if RAM is 256, upgrade your TP2 ROM
if you're looking the RAM and ROM size in the memory settings, you are looking at the wrong channel mate...
cheers!
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Sorry, what do you mean..?
My device info says RAM size 256mb/should be 288 - so i am down 32mb. In memory it says 188 total (not 256), with 120mb currently in use (no running apps) - this leaves just 60mb or sometimes less, for running any installed apps.
This can't surely be right, can it? - Where is all that RAM gone, what is being used and for what? Explanation please....
Flash size in device info says 512mb, in memory it says 277.72 total - where is the rest of the 512...?
Confused i am.
Why is Winmo + TFlo using over 120mb (no other running apps) on my TP2...?
Why did my old Dopod 838 Pro use way less memory to run WinMo 6.1 + SPB Mobile Shell 2.15 + a Theme over that...?
Can anyone noob it out for me, i just don't get it.
Cheers
Jabberoo
jabberoo said:
Confused i am.
Why is Winmo + TFlo using over 120mb (no other running apps) on my TP2...?
Why did my old Dopod 838 Pro use way less memory to run WinMo 6.1 + SPB Mobile Shell 2.15 + a Theme over that...?
Can anyone noob it out for me, i just don't get it.
Cheers
Jabberoo
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With regard to winmo+tflo using a large amount of ram compared to older devices you need to look at resolution (for the most part). The Dopod is a QVGA device (like my Titan) and renders at 320X240 pixels. The TP2 is a WVGA device, so already needs 4 times the effective memory for rendering the screen (simplified, but generally the case).
I would say turn off TouchFlo and go back to mobile shell if the memory is really running that low. As soon as rom cooking gets in swing people will cut down a lot of the fat that runs under stock roms.
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With regard to winmo+tflo using a large amount of ram compared to older devices you need to look at resolution (for the most part). The Dopod is a QVGA device (like my Titan) and renders at 320X240 pixels. The TP2 is a WVGA device, so already needs 4 times the effective memory for rendering the screen (simplified, but generally the case).
I would say turn off TouchFlo and go back to mobile shell if the memory is really running that low. As soon as rom cooking gets in swing people will cut down a lot of the fat that runs under stock roms.
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Thanx for the advice (screen res makes sense, but geez!)
Out of interest, i turned off TFlo, uses a stable 92mb of RAM for the OS, with TFlo on, after soft reset it starts at 73mb and then climbs to as high as 130mb in use (no running apps).
I ran this issue past HTC here in Oz and they had no answers for the RAM use, apart from saying that using 120 to 130mb (with no apps running) was certainly not correct.
A Mate has a TP2 as well and his does the same (both Singapore models).
Going to try the new SEA upgrade which suits my model, who knows, may be the fix cuz it seems TFlo is perhaps the culprit...??
I still don't get why memory says i have just 188mb of RAM total though and just 277mb of total storage?
Cheers
Jabberoo
jabberoo said:
Thanx for the advice (screen res makes sense, but geez!)
Out of interest, i turned off TFlo, uses a stable 92mb of RAM for the OS, with TFlo on, after soft reset it starts at 73mb and then climbs to as high as 130mb in use (no running apps).
I ran this issue past HTC here in Oz and they had no answers for the RAM use, apart from saying that using 120 to 130mb (with no apps running) was certainly not correct.
A Mate has a TP2 as well and his does the same (both Singapore models).
Going to try the new SEA upgrade which suits my model, who knows, may be the fix cuz it seems TFlo is perhaps the culprit...??
I still don't get why memory says i have just 188mb of RAM total though and just 277mb of total storage?
Cheers
Jabberoo
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http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/17/494177.aspx should explain things pretty well, and if you want even more detail about how the system uses what you can see, check out http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/29/498154.aspx
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I still don't get why memory says i have just 188mb of RAM total though and just 277mb of total storage?
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Got the same issue, which I only just noticed when I saw this thread. Device info only shows 256MB ram and Memory says 188MB.
Not going to bother doing the ROM upgrade just for the RAM. Gonna wait for a decent ROM to come out to justify the effort of installing all the programs etc etc.
nimnox said:
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/17/494177.aspx should explain things pretty well, and if you want even more detail about how the system uses what you can see, check out http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/29/498154.aspx
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Thanks for the info nimnox...
I took a look and it did offer some explanation. I think that this HTC device, using around 190 odd megabytes to run is ludirous. The general public spec list for ROM at 512mb (when it really isn't) certainly gives the impression that it has this much available as usable storage is a bit of a fluffy area too.
Essentially, the device offers a little over half of the spec in actual usable storage and about one third in actual usable RAM.
I believe this is shamefully misleading (most folks are not overly tech savvy) as it represents an extreme lack of clarity and understanding.
I did a reflash with the SEA update ROM, the RAM spec increased to 288mb (from the displayed 256), but did little in the way of adding available RAM (still at 188mb). I am hoping it will clear up some of the other problems being reported with this device.
Thanks to all for the advice.
Cheers
Jabberoo
Personally I don't think it's that misleading.
People might not be that tech savvy, but these aren't your average phones.
When you buy a computer with a 250GB hard drive, you don't get upset because part of that is taken up by the OS or the backup/restore partition. Granted, in this case it's proportionately a lot more, but it's also understood that most of your memory needs will be covered by a microSD card. No one advertises just the available memory. It's like hard drives' GB, they measure them as 1000MB and not 1024 as it should be (which means the computer will always detect less). And as for the meomry reserved by the system, we see things like this with Windows Vista and other OS's.
well, just my two cents (I am not saying it's not irritating to have all that memory unavailable, just that it's common practice and therefore not that misleading as many people might be used to it).
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I did a reflash with the SEA update ROM, the RAM spec increased to 288mb (from the displayed 256), but did little in the way of adding available RAM (still at 188mb).
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Wait.. the hotfix worked for you? or are you talking about something else?
agree, its normal in a sort of ways.....the more capability your phone has, the more memory it would use, the more complex an application is, the more ram it will consume.
btw, the 256 false RAM info is just a false info, so even if you upgrade the ROM, it doesnt mean you will get an additional amount of RAM, it only fix the info from 256 to 288 MB.
the manufacturer already states the truth: physical RAM of 288 MB and ROM of 512 MB. thats why i said, you should look into the device info, not the memory settings. In the memory, it will only show total of RAM and ROM available to be used when the device is turned on.
I have the same confusion:
I like to put everything into the phone bringing with me everywhere, including all kind of software and all kind of materials, photo,music, e-book, home video etc.
if the ROM and RAM are not big enough, I will always be worried about them when install software or copy materials. Even it still does not run out off memory, but I do worry about it all the time.
although it can be expanded by TF card, however, many software can't run on TF card and the read/write speed of the TF card is slower than the main memory.
If the main memory is big enough, I can install all of the software into main memory and copy all of the materials into TF card. At that condition, I can easily change TF card to get anymore new contents.
My last device is O2 flame, I do feel comfortable with its big Flash ROM but its RAM still too small and also many other shortcoming.
I ever think of N97 for the built in 32G memory, however, I am used to WM system.
I ever think of samsung i908 for the built in 8G memory, however there is several week points in its specification.
I do not understand why HTC build in so small memory in such a highend model while its competitor,such as Apple,Nokia,Sumsung, are goint toward another way.
more details may refer to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=542322
Whoops, erroneous posting, please ignore!
net_walker said:
I have the same confusion:
I like to put everything into the phone bringing with me everywhere, including all kind of software and all kind of materials, photo,music, e-book, home video etc.
if the ROM and RAM are not big enough, I will always be worried about them when install software or copy materials. Even it still does not run out off memory, but I do worry about it all the time.
although it can be expanded by TF card, however, many software can't run on TF card and the read/write speed of the TF card is slower than the main memory.
If the main memory is big enough, I can install all of the software into main memory and copy all of the materials into TF card. At that condition, I can easily change TF card to get anymore new contents.
My last device is O2 flame, I do feel comfortable with its big Flash ROM but its RAM still too small and also many other shortcoming.
I ever think of N97 for the built in 32G memory, however, I am used to WM system.
I ever think of samsung i908 for the built in 8G memory, however there is several week points in its specification.
I do not understand why HTC build in so small memory in such a highend model while its competitor,such as Apple,Nokia,Sumsung, are goint toward another way.
more details may refer to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=542322
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My friend, the advantage of having a device with a micro sd or mini sd expansion slot is that it enables you to have the amount of storage that you want and even with the possibility to change it on the fly, like for example carrying around two 32Gb memory cards and using them as you like (one for gps and one for music for example). Now tell me how do you do this when the mobile has a built in memory of 8Gb or 32Gb but no storage expansion? It's a matter of choice.
Regarding the execution memory, it's more than enough, apple allows you one application per time, so no example here, nokia you can have multiple application running like in windows mobile, the trick is to make it cleverly, otherwise your mobile will be slow (either nokia or any other mobile suffer from this).
My suggestion:
Get a couple of memory sticks, have your software installed in one of them, then copy it over to the other, this way you have your software everywhere. Then use on memory stick for gps and/or photos and another for music.
It's only a matter of wanting to do things and not waiting for them to happen ;-)
cheers
Hello everyone,
It's been a long time since I didn't come on the forum, and I am interested in buying a replacement for my Hermes, and the Rhodium is the perfect candidate!
As I got interest in it, I just saw that today was released a rom upgrade dealing with the memory issue for EU phones:
http://www.htc.com/fr/SupportViewNews.aspx?dl_id=629&news_id=219
They also say to wait for update from your provider. Hope this can help.
See you after I buy my new toy.
Toni
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Wait.. the hotfix worked for you? or are you talking about something else?
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Hi
Yes, installed fine, but did nothing to aid the working RAM available, just makes the hardware info show 288 instead of 256mb. It is a full ROM replacement, not a hotfix per se.
It did not fix the Keyboard backlight not working properly and a bunch of other things, infact, i can't see that it fixed much at all.
My device right now is running 128.28mb of RAM (in use) with no apps running at all. This leaves a meagre 59.33mb available to actually run my apps (manin memory or sd installed).
This is just ridiculous.....
Often, I have tried in the past to run IGO 8 (Sat Nav) off my sd card and it won't start because of a lack of available RAM to run it.
Soft reset and it will load.
Did i say this is ridiculous..?
Essentially, of the available 288mb of RAM, 100mb disappears straight away doing 'something', a further 188mb is in use presumably with the OS and TFlo, leaving the user with less than a meagre 60mb.
As for it being misleading - i don't recall any advertising advice, anything printed on the box, anything at all alerting me to the fact that the bulk of the RAM will be taken up with 'processes'....
Consider your PC, adding 8gb of RAM and having the OS taking more than 2 thirds of it to just run. Then all your apps not running because of a lack of available RAM. It really doesn't make much sense, does it?
The hope is that Minmo 6.5 will use much less to run, we'll see.....
Cheers
Jabberoo
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Huh? Only with 59.33mb available to run your apps? That is very strange. I have 84mb++ when nothing is running, i only get that amount when I have apps like S2U2, secondtoday, and other apps etc running. I even can launch Igo8 with that amount of mem with others apps were running.
I know when i have S2U2 running, it will slowly takes a lots of memory and sometime it even goes to 50mb++, but I used the cleanRAM to clear it up.
In your case... Very strange indeed.
My AT&T Tilt2, using Energy Rom now:
on the Hardware information tab, I see RAM Size: 288 MB， Flash Size 512 MB，and Storage Size 241.6 MB。
But, on the Memery/Main tab: Storage Total is 241.6 MB, and Program Total is 183.47 MB。
I think the RAM is used for Program, while the flash mem is for Storage. Then, my question is where the other memory is?
If you have a stock rom, the at&t bloatware takes up the majority of it.
I flash mine with a custom rom, which rids the phone of the bloat/crapware.
I also flash to a no manila version, which takes out the touchflo3d graphics, which I don't use, and that gives you more ram/memory/storage.
jrm163 said:
My AT&T Tilt2:
on the Hardware information tab, I see RAM Size: 288 MB， Flash Size 512 MB，and Storage Size 241.6 MB。
But, on the Memery/Main tab: Storage Total is 241.6 MB, and Program Total is 183.47 MB。
I think the RAM is used for Program, while the flash mem is for Storage. Then, my question is where the other memory is?
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Those Storage and Program Totals are more-or-less the same with most ROMS....not that I've tried most ROMs but a sampling.
For example, on my Valky ROM the Storage Total is 271 MB and the Program Total is 181 MB.
I am not using the stock ROM now. Originally I thought it was the Stock ROM that has some function like ghost, which enables the OS to restore completely. Obviously I was wrong.
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If you have a stock rom, the at&t bloatware takes up the majority of it.
I flash mine with a custom rom, which rids the phone of the bloat/crapware.
I also flash to a no manila version, which takes out the touchflo3d graphics, which I don't use, and that gives you more ram/memory/storage.
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You are right. But where is the missing memery? What are they used for?
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Those Storage and Program Totals are more-or-less the same with most ROMS....not that I've tried most ROMs but a sampling.
For example, on my Valky ROM the Storage Total is 271 MB and the Program Total is 181 MB.
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What is it you think is missing?
The Hardware Information tab also list OS Program Memory under RAM and OS Memory under Flash size. The Memory Main tab doesn't list these totals, but they are in use by the OS.
The 288MB of RAM does indeed exist in your device, but the way the OS uses it makes much less of it appear in the Memory dialogue, as much of the RAM is not usable for programs (so there's no point in displaying it). 32MB of the 288MB is part of the baseband, and cannot actually be used for programs. Anywhere from around 8MB to 24MB of RAM is part of the Page Pool, which is somewhat like a HDD memory cache in Windows. In addition, some RAM is used for the framebuffer, the radio stack, and the XIP (OS kernel), among many other things.
There is an article on MSDN, written by the Windows Mobile team, which goes into slightly more detail about how RAM is actually used on a Windows Mobile device. But the short answer is that Windows Mobile uses a lot of RAM for critical, low-level functions which have RAM reserved for them. Windows Mobile decides it shouldn't display RAM that will never be used for running userspace applications, so the RAM displayed on the Memory applet is often much less than the actual hardware RAM present in the device.
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
the short answer is that Windows Mobile uses a lot of RAM for critical, low-level functions which have RAM reserved for them. Windows Mobile decides it shouldn't display RAM that will never be used for running userspace applications, so the RAM displayed on the Memory applet is often much less than the actual hardware RAM present in the device.
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Thanks much for the explanation and the link to more explanation. I knew I'd read months ago...somewhere...that there was a good, non-mysterious explanation, but didn't spend the time to find it.
Hi all,
my wife owns a Wildfire S since a couple of days.
But I am quite disappointed about the amount of available memory (internal storage) for applications.
She does not have a lot of applications installed (about 5), but the available is only about 93 MB.
When going to "Settings - Applications - Manage Applications" it shows me at the bottom of the screen "Internal Storage: 57MB used, 93MB free".
The phone specs state RAM 512 MB and Internal Storage also 512MB. Why is it showing only 140MB in reality?
Can someone explain this, please?
Is this normal?
How much available storage do you guys have on yours, please?
(Btw, also via "Settings - Storage" it shows "92,07MB as available space" on internal storage)
The phone is a T-Mobile branded one from The Netherlands.
Thanks in advance.
Mine got 512MB internal storage as well, but i think that the OS uses some space that don't show up. Have you tried moving apps to the SD card?
Moving apps to SD indeed does free up some memory, however...
I have only installed a few apps (less then 10mb all together), therefore I am quite disappointed with the little available memory.
The phone is a dutch Tmobile version. I can see there are a few Tmobile apps built-in into the rom, but surely they can't take up that much space, could it? (Adding up used + available internal storage only totals about 150mb, which is far from the 512mb as in the specs?)
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Same issue! I got mine yesterday and after barely installing anything. Im low on internal memory and it adds up to 140mb not 512.
Btw android, sense and other HTC things take up that memory. It is only 512mb when there is nothing on the internal memory.
Same issue here. Quite a disappointment and no way to really solve it.
Hello all, search 'darktremor app2sd' in this xda website
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Im amazed at how little memory this phone has. After 2 days and 5 apps its basically completely out of space. I liked the smaller form factor but this is ridiculous.
U can move all of ur apps to SD if u want...and it doesn't even require rooting...i was also having problem with this whole low internal memory thing..but i found this...
"http://androidforums.com/desire-tips-tricks/174345-how-move-apps-sd-card-unrooted-device-noobs-guide-updated-09-02-11-a.html"
its quiet simple really...it does help a little...with this u can use "move to SD card" option in application settings for nearly all the apps..
Hope this helps..
PS : u can use an app called android tool box..its really useful..it has many options like app manager, cache cleaner,file explorer,start up manager and many more..it is quiet handy when u'r low on Ram or space..