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I've talked to everyone when considering choosing between the MDA and the newer Dash?
Is it possible to get a free version of Pocket Office to put on the Dash so I can have the editing option for Microsoft Documents?
MDA or Dash? Which is more versitile, faster, and good for work & networking on the fly?
Does the MDA have WiFi like the Dash? for free wifi connections.
After too many T-Mobile reps, HTC reps, and other users...I'm exhausted with beating around the bush form the simple, and exact answers I'm looking for. You advice and expertise would truly be appreciated. Help! Thanks.
Ryan
Choose the Dash
I have both. While I have only had teh Dash about a week, I have had no problems with it - no resets or freezes. With my MDA, I was constantly resetting it. The Dash doe stake some getting used to and you will have to buy a spreadsheet program, but I would choose it over the MDA in a flash. The Dash appears to be faster than the MDA as well. The only compliants that I have regarding the Dash is that there is no version of Voice Command for it nor is there a good RN caclulator.
there is no pocket office for smartphone os
more specifically there is no equivalent of pocket word at this time
JwY said:
there is no pocket office for smartphone os
more specifically there is no equivalent of pocket word at this time
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This saddens me. Pocket office was very handy. Hopefully something will come about soon.
Really what I look for in comparison is speed, Wi-Fi, BlueTooth. etc. features. Both have the same features, but the difference is the advancement in the individual features. MDA has WiFi 802.11b where the Dash has 802.11b/g meaning the fastest you'll be able to transmit data over WiFi on the MDA is 22mbts The MDA supports BlueTooth version 1.2 and the Dash is BT 2.0. The MDA has a faster processor running at 400Mhz where the Dash runs at 200Mhz.
The applications that come pre-installed on the devices vary. Search the web for Open Source office like applications out there I'm sure you can find something for the Dash. I haven't tried it yet but with my Wi-Fi connection I have a google spreadsheet online application, kinda like an online office of Excel.
Thank you for the feedback.
I have been leaning towards the MDA, but didn't want to take a step back in technology advantage, given that I'll have this phone for a while and I'll want to get the most from the device. OR Should I go with DASH in hope of getting an app to edit documents? Is there anytihng coming out soon, or where should i go to find out where to get it? Can I use either device with google's new word and excel editting, without being connected to a free wifi?
Are both devices able to use Skype?
The MDA glitches and complaints do worry me about dependability. Do you believe the MDA is stable, and is the HTC Hermes able to be used with T-Mobile?
The phone I have (Nokia 3660) just died (only shows Nokia when booting up, in a continuous loop). Therefore i have just lost 600 numbers which weren't sync to the new laptop i had ot buy because my old one was stolen 2 months ago. If you have any advice on retreaving these numbers let me know.
Also, do you recommend getting the MDA from T-Mobile for $250 or from eBay? or other cell phone sites you recommend for purchases?
Ryan
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This saddens me. Pocket office was very handy. Hopefully something will come about soon.
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same here. someone should at least make a third party app for it instead of only viewers.
the dash makes a better phone and the mda makes a better pda. that's the biggest difference to me.
RazrV3 said:
Really what I look for in comparison is speed, Wi-Fi, BlueTooth. etc. features. Both have the same features, but the difference is the advancement in the individual features. MDA has WiFi 802.11b where the Dash has 802.11b/g meaning the fastest you'll be able to transmit data over WiFi on the MDA is 22mbts The MDA supports BlueTooth version 1.2 and the Dash is BT 2.0. The MDA has a faster processor running at 400Mhz where the Dash runs at 200Mhz.
The applications that come pre-installed on the devices vary. Search the web for Open Source office like applications out there I'm sure you can find something for the Dash. I haven't tried it yet but with my Wi-Fi connection I have a google spreadsheet online application, kinda like an online office of Excel.
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The MDA uses the same processor as the Dash, TI omap 850 200mhz
I had or tested almost ANY HTC device sold in Europe since HTC was a startup company.
EXCALIBUR is the best device I ever seen! Obviously new devices are better than older, but still I believe on BLUE ANGEL concept, (good device at that time, revolutionary)
You feel it in your hand soft, good design, reliable since the first release, stable bluetooth 2.0, last WM5 release, lot of fix and improvement.
Good display, form factor, keyboard and battery life (in a normal day, even using bluetooth, have always with you an USB cable, just in case...)
I don't need glasses to read at, due to resolution and backlight (don't laught too much, experience and close eyesight are reversed functions) one hand usage in 90% of conditions.
The microSD is well stored INSIDE the battery case, avoiding dust and accidental un-insertion.
Problems? screen protector NEEDED, no case in the package (I am using an IPOD sock), poor (compared to pocket PC) software avaliability, Smartphone notes is a MUST have (to insert small notes or align with PC notes) for a device with keyboard!
TORNADO POWER CONTROL is a battery saver, little overclok for a 200 MHz processor (228) and good downclock to save battery (116)
I installed a freeware program from vieka.com called Wordpad 2.9, works great. PTAB covers Excel....
I love my Dash. It's fast and easy to use. I love the one handed operation once I enabled the full jogger.
*BUT*
When I travel, I take my K-Jam and I don't need my laptop. I can do everything with it. I can't say the same about the Dash since it doesn't have mobile office.
On my last vacation, I didn't take my laptop because I didn't plan on working. When I got there, I found out I had to write 2 proposals within 24 hours. Quite simply, I would have been screwed without my K-Jam.
BUT
For an everyday device at work, I now prefer my Dash as I edit word and excel files between 0 and 1 times a year normally.
Dash rocks (and is hella-fast too). Once HTC releases a newer FW for it, I can get the T-Mobile crap off of it.
-Mc
link to download office
Hi i need a link to download ms office for WM5. please help
Hi,
there's no download for Office for WM5, it is part of the PPC-ROMs (Office Mobile). For WM5 Smartphones you can use Clearvue Suite from Westtek (only viewer).
Greetings Newchurch
dash is view docs only...AFAIK
I have had an mda for about six months and liked it, HTC and this communuity so much I bought a dash for my wife instead of an SDA, I like the dash it is a smartfone, and should be called that, it is leaps and bounds above the older smartphone os' but Its a far cry from WM5 and MS is trying to trick less wary buyers into thinking that the 2 very different operating systems are the same, and they are not...
I haven't seen any way to edit office stuff on the dash, but I have yet to get as involved in it as I am my wiz, so I may be wrong.
If you wanna replace your laptop with somthing smaller the MDA is the way to go.
If you want "just a phone" with tons of flexability go for the dash.
they are both great devices, but very different despite a similar GUI.
bhang
The OS's are teh same on both phones. Its just a different interface. Anyone who tells you otherwise is misinformed. If they were different OS's then why are there instructions at HoFo on running PPC apps on smartphone?
I have both devices, and like them both. I like the small size and form factor of the Gash, but the larger Screen and the PPC UI make it easier for me to get around, but I'm gettingused to teh dash too. The MDA is more customizeable (more options for home screen, as well as a lot of ROM's here to try.) But teh dash seems more stable to me (prolly due to all teh fiddling I've done on teh MDA tho)
Also Documents to go has announced they are making a SP version. That will let you edit Office apps when it comes out. There might be a demo or somethgn now, I don't remember.
@bittermormon, you're right, a preview is now available for the smartphone
http://www.dataviz.com/products/documentstogo/winmobile/index.html
the only advantage I can see is its thinner and smaller and has an in built GPS Receiver, downside is it doesnt have a keyboard so regular email usage is pants, not sure if Blackberry software works on it yet and worst of all is it doesnt have 3G, how crap is that!!!!
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the only advantage I can see is its thinner and smaller and has an in built GPS Receiver, downside is it doesnt have a keyboard so regular email usage is pants, not sure if Blackberry software works on it yet and worst of all is it doesnt have 3G, how crap is that!!!!
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tonyb15re said:
the only advantage I can see is its thinner and smaller and has an in built GPS Receiver, downside is it doesnt have a keyboard so regular email usage is pants, not sure if Blackberry software works on it yet and worst of all is it doesnt have 3G, how crap is that!!!!
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I agree with victoradjei - you seem to mention an awful lot of advantages of the Artemis before throwing them all away due to lack of 3G! Anyway, for someone who doesn't video call or can't afford a pricey data plan, it is a spectacular device. Different strokes for different folks, as they say. (By the way, using SPB Full Screen Keyboard cancels out the problem of no sliding QWERTY on the Artemis.)
Let's keep this forum clear of random bashing of people's devices and use it to help each other get the most out of the HTC device we have chosen for our own reasons.
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I agree with victoradjei - you seem to mention an awful lot of advantages of the Artemis before throwing them all away due to lack of 3G! Anyway, for someone who doesn't video call or can't afford a pricey data plan, it is a spectacular device. Different strokes for different folks, as they say. (By the way, using SPB Full Screen Keyboard cancels out the problem of no sliding QWERTY on the Artemis.)
Let's keep this forum clear of random bashing of people's devices and use it to help each other get the most out of the HTC device we have chosen for our own reasons.
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Who said it was bashing, I just find it extraordinary that a manufacturer can build devices and leave out functionallity and technology. There are so many feature rich devices from HTC yet they cannot seam to pull one together that has all!!! The O2 Device looks good, it seems to have the right features but why no keyboard and no 3G, I have an SE phone that has 3G for god sake.. I have a data card from VF that gives me 1.8Mbs so a manufacturer brings out a neat little device that doesnt have a keyboard and no 3G, TBH its on par with the earlier HP devices that had phone capabiltiy but its in a smaller case and has a build in GPS...
P.S. I'm contemplating having one as my second toy...
P.P.S, this is more HTC bashing than the decive itself....
tonyb15re
The only thing u gain is Fm & Temping Gps inbuilt in i'm also thinking to which one to buy lol
I have been using a Siemens SX-56 relatively successfully for over a year and am wowed by the XDA features once I easily unlocked it from AT&T's service (incidentally I was amazed more recently to find an almost unknown T-Mobile version of it existing!)
I am now about to make the leap to WiFi operation on my PDA and have a VoIPFone account in the UK with an ordinary UK number. (X-Lite works really well on my home computer. A Vonage account I also have on a land-phone is absolutely terrible and I will probably have to change it soon to someone like BroadVoice if anyone thinks that might be any better).
Can someone recommend me a phone to buy please? I don't mind looking on ebay and unlocking one but I need to be able to input my VoIPFone account details and exchange files with Outlook as I am doing at the moment.
I PRESUME I have to use an HTC of some flavour and wonder which would be the least expensive as I can't imagine it will get all that much use? Are the ones with large screens MORE expensive as they are easier to read or LESS as they are larger and therefore older as the current trend is towards smaller phones?
trend for htc devices is both smaller and bigger depend on how much it's a phone and how much it's a UCPC
http://www.htc.com/product/03-products.htm
middle path is prob
HTC P3600
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htc tytn
Yes, on size, that is pretty much what I figured
But which is the least expensive one to go for (similar to the second, third and fourth rows on that page) if I am emphatically not looking for "The latest"?
Which one to look for?
Does it come down to either some flavour of the Wizard or the Blue Angel?
The wizard is pretty damn awesome.
Does b or g make a difference with VoIP?
Is there a general view on whether you can get enough throughput on 802.11b to power VoIP effectively or if you need 802.11g? Or in practice doesn't it make any difference? I hear that the Wizard only does the b flavour?
802.11b does from 4Mbit to 11Mbit
being that thats faster then most peoples internet
the wifi should not be a bottleneck
I have a Wizard, and while it's an excellent device, bear in mind it's only got a 200 MHz proc (which granted you can overclock), which means it may not be ideal for VoIP. I know for Skype only the lower-power version works well, and you have to turn off noise cancelling on the standard WM version.
I have just upgraded to an Exec, and while it's certainly the most brick-like, you can pick them up for 200 quid on Ebay, and with a 520 Mhz processor you might find it is better.
NOTE. I have not used VoIP myself, this is just what I have read.
Not sure if I did the right thing (but it didnt cost me much)
Seeing your post I have bought a thing called a T-Mobile MDA (apparently not a Vario 11 or an MDA 111 unless there is some way of identifying these about which I am unaware?) which seems to be a Hermes and seems to have a processor about twice as fast.
There seem to be lots of threads on VoIP on these Hermes units: Is there a FULL thread here anywhere on putting any VoIP software on it please or necessary mods to it to let me do this? At the moment I am still trying to figure out how to get it to recognise NOT communicating through its Modem or through T-Mobile proprietary software. It does scan and judging by how many networks it sees out there, seems reasonably powerful? (doesnt show powers of networks at the moment of course). But it doesn't let me surf, having actually connected to some network?
Sorry 'bout that, it IS a Wizard!
Sorry 'bout that, it IS a Wizard!
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Sorry 'bout that, it IS a Wizard!
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Well the good news is the Wizard is a VERY popular phone, so you'll have plenty of support. Check out of the Wizard boards:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=248
Hi all,
At least we know that the MBW-100 watches could not be paired with a Windows Mobile device. Perhaps the new MBW-150 can, does anybody known this?
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/14/sony-ericssons-new-mbw-150-bluetooth-watch-rocks-avrcp/ to the watches.
Best Regards Tom
yeah because its so far for me to get my phone out of my pocket instead of using my watch to control my phone and all.
sorta makes you wonder why the marketing department for some of these companies even bothers getting out of bed some days.
We could leave our phones at home because it's a unpersonal piece of electronical junk to talk into instead Face2Face and take the effort to look eachtoher up IRL...
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We could leave our phones at home because it's a unpersonal piece of electronical junk to talk into instead Face2Face and take the effort to look eachtoher up IRL...
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in the adapted words of Nelson Muntz "only someone who doesnt have a phone would say that ... lets get him."
st3v3 said:
yeah because its so far for me to get my phone out of my pocket instead of using my watch to control my phone and all.
sorta makes you wonder why the marketing department for some of these companies even bothers getting out of bed some days.
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If you don't like it don't buy it. I don't see why you have to be a douche though. I thought you could have your watch vibe if you got a call. Most of the time when my phone is on vibe, I never feel it.
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If you don't like it don't buy it. I don't see why you have to be a douche though. I thought you could have your watch vibe if you got a call. Most of the time when my phone is on vibe, I never feel it.
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yeah well if the watch did something cool like open the door to the garage that would be cool, but control my phone media player seriously i can do that now but reaching into my pocket or using the buttons on a ad2p headset like i do now.
think of all that R&D that has been wasted creating this thing, they could have put it to better use to assist the mobile computing world.
I have to say you're wrong... this is the ultimate accessory.
I have a Universal, and I want to get an Athena, and by any standards these are PDAs with phone functionality. They're big, and I like that, but it can be annoying to have to get out "the brick" and open it up just to see who's calling.
This way, I can keep the phone in my pocket on silent, wear my A2DP/AVRCP headset and wear the watch. I can control the music via either my headset of watch, plus is someone calls I can see who it is by just glancing at my vibrating watch.
And the proximity alert is just a bonus... I often get to my front door before remembering that I left the phone in the PC dock.
Or... A2DP from my phone in it's dock on my desk to my bluetooth speakers. I'm chilling on the sofa using my watch to skip tracks etc.
This is all about ubiquitous computing, and in my opinion this is a genius product. So much so that I have actually been researching buying a Sony Ericcson phone! That's how good this product is.
If you don't like the product then don't buy it, simple as that, but it's not helpful to fill up a genuine post on finding if we can get this to work with our favourite phones with negative comments.
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We could leave our phones at home because it's a unpersonal piece of electronical junk to talk into instead Face2Face and take the effort to look eachtoher up IRL...
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Moron... can't you find somewhere better to hang out than a developer thread FOR PHONES. If you wanna complain about phones, why don't you find the site with a bulletin board all about how much phones suck
All I'm saying is... you came to the wrong place, because most people here have a passion about making their phones better. It's like going to an Apple forum and saying that iPods suck and everyone should get a Zune
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I have to say you're wrong... this is the ultimate accessory.
I have a Universal, and I want to get an Athena, and by any standards these are PDAs with phone functionality. They're big, and I like that, but it can be annoying to have to get out "the brick" and open it up just to see who's calling.
This way, I can keep the phone in my pocket on silent, wear my A2DP/AVRCP headset and wear the watch. I can control the music via either my headset of watch, plus is someone calls I can see who it is by just glancing at my vibrating watch.
And the proximity alert is just a bonus... I often get to my front door before remembering that I left the phone in the PC dock.
Or... A2DP from my phone in it's dock on my desk to my bluetooth speakers. I'm chilling on the sofa using my watch to skip tracks etc.
This is all about ubiquitous computing, and in my opinion this is a genius product. So much so that I have actually been researching buying a Sony Ericcson phone! That's how good this product is.
If you don't like the product then don't buy it, simple as that, but it's not helpful to fill up a genuine post on finding if we can get this to work with our favourite phones with negative comments.
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1. Wow did you almost take a year to respond?
2. Registed since 2006 and only 4 posts, good work!
3. I think theres a rock for you to go back under around here somewhere with your name on it.
Thank you please come again...
*bump*
I got the watch as a present but couldn't get it to work.
Is there a chance I will somewhen or should I return the watch, before I run out of time to do so?
WM seems to not accept AVRCP commands unless they origin from an audio device, probably an A2DP device, eg. a bluetooth headset.
hello
sorry for my english
is possible to pacht bluetooth TyTn II for AVRCP ??? for my watch mbw-150 ???????????
You don't have to patch anything. AVRCP works with the TyTN as with any other WM6 device. What I found out: once the connection between the watch and the device is established, the watch basically could exchange commands with the device, there is just no client on the device receiving and answering the watches connection attempts.
There is a guy writing a program for it. By now he can send messages to the watches screen, he can make the watch vibrate and on the device side all the commands the watch sends are being recognized. But by now the program only displays the communication but doesn't act yet.
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You don't have to patch anything. AVRCP works with the TyTN as with any other WM6 device. What I found out: once the connection between the watch and the device is established, the watch basically could exchange commands with the device, there is just no client on the device receiving and answering the watches connection attempts.
There is a guy writing a program for it. By now he can send messages to the watches screen, he can make the watch vibrate and on the device side all the commands the watch sends are being recognized. But by now the program only displays the communication but doesn't act yet.
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So it's not possible yet?
Why can't Microsoft just make WM6 with better BT support! Would it work better if we installed a different stack?
installing another stack wouldn't help. it's not a problem of the stack, the stack accepts the connection and the communication only uses the serial port protocol, which is supported in (for example) the microsoft stack. the problem is the implementation of the stuff the watch uses to communicate with the pda/phone.
the guy seems to be working on the software and I guess he's not far from finishing his tool.
Hello Schaggo
Finally, at the bottom of page 1 I found your reply "Got it as a present and it doesn't work" so I thought, well here is the answer, also this MBW-150 watch will not work with WM devices.
Turning to page 2, shaking after the first letters "Guy developing WM client" "perhaps allmost finished" aaargggh.... Who is this guy? He needs lot's of beers and gifts!..
Just like WhiteMonkey I think I can appreciate the features this watch can offer. And if the "mystery guy" is writing the client himself he probeley will add New E-Mail alerts aswell!
Can you reveal your source? Or does this 'mystery guy' have a blog/forum where he posts his findings?
Best Regards, Tom from Netherlands
Im on my pda so I don't have the link at hand right now. but when I'll be back at my laptop I'll post the link in here so you can track the topic yourself. you can find it at the pocketgeek forums. stay tuned I'll post the link later this afternoon my local time.
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Can you reveal your source? Or does this 'mystery guy' have a blog/forum where he posts his findings?
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ok, here it is: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=4141&highlight=abacus&page=4
I hope he'll report back in really soon. but from an earlier post in the thread, someone over here could prog a really quick and dirty solution too, I guess.
MBW-100 AT Commands
Communication with watch and manual creation of connection
Status of application back in december
Anyone feel challenged? I guess donations wouldn't fall short, if someone would manage to do it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362218
sorta makes you wonder why the marketing department for some of these companies even bothers getting out of bed some days.
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Could it be that the 42,565 views of Moneytoo's post are enough to prove you wrong...
Well it seems everyone is raving about the phone so maybe I'm just crabby, but I just have to ask, all the same, and maybe to have a bit of balance in the euphoria...
Now I'm a massive HTC fan and have had WM since before the days of the steam engine. When the Rhodium was announced I just knew it was designed for me and I have been dreaming about it ever since. Well now I have one, and I'm sad to say I'm a little bit disappointed. Maybe expectations were too high. But I cant help feel that something is missing in the packaging.
Maybe it's just me but don't you think the scratch-shield is tacky? It started to peel off at the corners half an hour after I put it on. And why wasn't the G-sensor activated for the majority of the applications? And the FM-radio. It's there but without an application to run it on. etc. etc.
Now through the wonder of XDA and all of the expertise that resides here all these things are fixable, but you'd think that on an $800 phone this wouldn't have had to be the case. Kinda thinking that Apple would have done it diffrently... Not that I would ever go to the dark side.
Well, all I can say is that I can't wait to have some of the great chefs that have done such wonderful jobs on Hermes and Kaisers (which are my personal experiences ROM flashing) come over here and start fixing all the little glitches HTC seem to have missed.
Now my question is; is ther a Machiavellian plan behind all this or is it just ineptitude? Or am I being overly crabby???
Just my 2 cents worth/M
If Apple had sold it a damned site more would have been disabled out of the box and they would have drip fed you the goodies to keep you spending!
I'm pretty much sold on the prospect of any new HTC phone evolving over time. It is half the fun! But I agree with your point about the screen protector and radio. The protector was appallingly bad but not as bad as the Brando mirrored one that I bought to replace it!
The radio was preinstalled on my Vodafone branded phone and works well, so for some reason HTC must have disabled it on the ones they didn't send to VF
Don't you just love discovering new hidden functions and features? Like my Dopod D810 without GPS being abled when I first bought it, then Dopod released a ROM update to release it and they kept it when HTC issued the WM6 upgrade, all that after someone else discovered how to hack it.
My TP2 came with FM Radio function fully usable, but I found their software was extremely buggy - how about locking to one radio station forever and it wasn't even the station of choice? (released by deleting a registry and restarting the app) May be that's why they removed it for some regions.
Someone else also posted here that the Voice Recorder is also missing on his TP2, so go figure!
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Don't you just love discovering new hidden functions and features? Like my Dopod D810 without GPS being abled when I first bought it, then Dopod released a ROM update to release it and they kept it when HTC issued the WM6 upgrade, all that after someone else discovered how to hack it.
My TP2 came with FM Radio function fully usable, but I found their software was extremely buggy - how about locking to one radio station forever and it wasn't even the station of choice? (released by deleting a registry and restarting the app) May be that's why they removed it for some regions.
Someone else also posted here that the Voice Recorder is also missing on his TP2, so go figure!
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Thanks for the verification on why they didn't include the Radio App in the first firmware. I was wondering about this alot. BTW, is that you in the picture?
Mesquire said:
how about locking to one radio station forever and it wasn't even the station of choice?
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Mine did that the first time I ran it but it worked perfectly after that