XDA IIi much better than IIs finding WiFi? - MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 General

My XDA IIs seems much worse at detecting WiFi points than the XDA IIi.
I've had two different XDA IIs machines and my friend has had two XDA IIis and in both cases his XDA has been far better at picking up and using WiFi access points than mine. I can sometimes detect other points but he seems to find three or four where I can find maybe one in the same location.
In normal paid access areas mine seems to work okay but I've no way of knowing if it's more or less sensitive.
Is there some reason why the IIi is better than the IIs in this regard? Is there a way to establish if mine is working properly, or a way to maximise its sensitivity?
Thanks

its probably better because 2i is a better device. 2s is just in my opinion xda2 in a new shell where 2i is better in the same xda2 shell, thats why i decided to upgrade to 2s because i want it to look different to the one i just had for a year.lol
more power on 2i means more sensitivity for wifi

Thanks Joey,
Now I'm even more confused. I read earlier (on this forum too, I think) that the opposite is the case, and that the XDA IIs is the newer design and the IIi just the old XDA II slightly upgraded.

esmonde said:
Thanks Joey,
the XDA IIs is the newer design and the IIi just the old XDA II slightly upgraded.
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lol, thats what i meant.

they are basicly the same I would say that your xdaIIs might have a small issue with the wi-fi mine picks up fine compared to my friends I

That sounds reasonable Jason and normally I'd accept it. But the fact is that the significant discrepancy between the IIs and the IIi has been obvious on two different pairs of XDAs. So it seem more likely that either I'm doing something weird in my setup or there is a real difference in sensitivity between the two XDA versions.

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XDAIIs - better spec in Q1 2005?

Can anyone shed any light on rumours that I have heard concerning a priocessor speed and camera upgrade to the XDAIIs in Q1 next year.
I read somewhere there would be a 500MHz CPU and a 1.3MPixel camera released mid January?
R
perhaps, it's called XDA IIi ------->HTC Alpine
Is it really true that O2 gonna come out with the XDAIIi? Is there any facts to justify this? If it is true, I guess it will be the best ultimate machine ever produce from O2 with all those awesome specs.
Its true... it looks like an XDA II, has 1.3Mpix camera, 500MHz proc, but no keyboard. Wifi is still present. Cant remember where I read this now, but it was in several locations.
Nigel
xda iis better specs?
I was going to get an xda iis early next year, because I really like the looks, love the keyboard, and like the better specs than the original (forgot what processor speed is), but you say there is a better one? I've also heard there were a few problems with the xda iis, but don't know specifics. Question is...does anyone know what bennefit I would have to waiting for the new one mentioned here with even better specs than the blue angel? I will just say that I must have a built in keyboard (don't like stylis's) and I like the way the thumboard is and the way the blue angel is built in general...any suggestions or ideas is appreciated
blue angel better specs?
does anyone know where I can find info on the newest one mentioned here? who has the blue angel and what do you think?... would you upgrade to the newest one or stick with the blue angel? thanks
Hi
Blue angel is a nice device (mine is the XDA IIs variant), but like you say, it does have some problems. For the post part these can be cured by firmware updates. It is likely that the Magician (o2 XDA Mini), and the future O2 XDAIIi will also have firmware issues. Search these forums for 'veletron' for my rants about the issues that I have found). Should point out that the Magician has no wifi and is unlikely to prove a suitable device for someone otherwise considering an blue angel.
My advice would be to avoid O2 and the other telcoms companies and maybe go for a IMate PDA2K. Reason for saying this is that IMate is the *only* reseller of the blue angel that appears to have done anything about the extensive bluetooth problems that the device suffers from. I suspect the fix comes from HTC, but IMATE are the only lot that have packaged this fix as an update for its users.
O2 are notoriously bad for issuing updates, preferring to do a new firmware release that contains a load of fixes in one. IMHO, the bluetooth issues warrent a prompt patch from each of the blue angel resellers.
I dont think that the O2 XDA IIi has a keyboard, it looks just like the O2 XDA II. I would not sacrifice the O2 XDA IIs' keyboard for the faster proc & better camera myself.
Hardware wise, the main issue with XDA IIs devices has been yellow screens (though mine is fine <-- looks yellow when viewed off angle), and the loose keypad - starts off tight but the slider mechanism gets slack. Some kind of a slider lock would have been nice here. Battery life is par for a device of this kind. Wifi reception is bad (but sufficient).
There are also worries over call quality using the internal microphone (no one can hear you). I think that a firmware upgrade will fix this though.
I have found around 50 software issues (some serious) but I will stick with mine since:
1) when it works, it works well
2) 95% of these problems are softare and can be fixed with an upgrade
3) There is nothing else like it on the market
Regards
Nigel
There are people on howard forums who have done reviews of the Blue Angel, Magician, etc, and they have briefly discussed the upcoming Alpine (XDA IIi):
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=519561
It seems that we are not the only ones who are unhappy with the quality issues surrounding the Blue Angel. According to the review, the Alpine will be based on the previous Himalaya design, NOT the Blue Angel.
blue angle vs xda iii
thanks for the link...certainly great information. I will have to say I'm still partial to the blue angel because I like keys and easy, conveniant user options. The xda mini is impressive as well, but I didn't see anything about keys or built in keys in the xda mini. think I will wait for a couple of months and see what comes up. I am one who likes heavy duty material and durability, but willing to sacrifice this and get a case if the other features are more benneficial. comments? (can you get the xda iis in the us as of yet?)
Will i-mate carry a variant of the XDAIIi? If so when and what will it be called? Can't find it on the i-mate website yet.
My main issue is that the upcoming Alpine will be designed to support and probably ship with PPC'005 and that is something worth considering when stacking it up against the BlueAngle.
If PPC005 will be available as an upgrade on the Blue Angle and it runs just as well as on the Alpine -- then I like the keyboard and layout on the Angle. But what if 2005 borrows from the Wintel playbook of old and requires more Mzh or Ram or other hardware novelty that is the real reason for HCT releasing the Alpine so hot on the heels of what is otherwise a successful product just now maturing to the point where most of the bugs are fixed.
I had one of the first phones these guys made and remember what a joke the MS PPC was -- not even supporting SMS sender recognition etc .. and how long it took to get 2003 working and the associated hardship involved. As a result of that I have complete and utter faith that the master cooks in this forum like Lump will come up with a fix to get '005 on the Angle -- but if it is a big problem, then perhaps I should just make the best out of having a circa 1999 spec MegaPixel camera in my pocket all the time.
Anyone have any ideas about PPC'005 compatibility with the Blue Angle ??
-d
The thing that'll see me shelling out for a new phone to replace my XDA 2s will be a 640x480 screen resolution device at a decent price.
The XDA 2s does appear a little buggy in places, but on the other hand I am pretty much converted to the idea of a phone integrated with a PocketPC, and this form factor (particularly the keyboard) is what really floats my boat.
It would be a great shame (but bloody typical) if I've just bought something that is at the end of its evolutionary branch!
There's been rumours and even photos of the MDA4 with VGA resolution, faster processor and 3G radio (with keyboard).
I'll buy that!
yes the rumors are in fact called the xda 3, this model is due middle to late 2005 with 3G radio CF & SD and running the PXA 272 500Mhz processor with Windows Mobile 2005. But dont get your hopes up yet, there have been problems with MS supporting the 3G radio and software, because they do not have plans for 3G support on Windows Mobile, they are talking about CE.NET 5 to support 3G
But where is the "real" news here? It's not really surprising that - how ever it is named - a "UMTS Xda" will have VGA display (because mid next year VGA will be standard for Pocket PCs), using a Bulverde CPU above 400 MHz (even today's high-end devices have this), and will have CDMA (otherwise it wouldn't be a UMTS/§G device).
The information at msmobiles isn't everything else than a rant (please notice msmobiles is reporting a "XScale" CPU).
So if we are ranting here I can add that a "UMTS Xda" will most likely have a mega pixel camera with flash, either a second camera for video telephony or a rotateable, and is supposed to use the "next generation" Pocket PC Phone Edition OS. Release date is anytime between January 05 and December 05. A first view will either be provided in Cannes at the 3GSM congress (which I will attend for sure - as every year) or in Hannover at the CeBIT (which I will attend as well).
So you see, all it takes is to use the excising information, merging it and you have a "3G Xda".
But does we know more now? Comes time comes Xda XYZ.......
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Replacement 11s

I got my 11s in November and am getting i replaced by O2, They are out of stock at the minute. Does anyone think the new stock will be improved any or be exactly the same.
Shoot, they are supposed to be doing the same with me, did they say when they might be getting them back in?
Just curious, but can I ask what went wrong with them please?
(I also have one so little concerned!)
Thanks!
Got mine a couple of weeks ago and according to O2 at the time they had 3000 in stock?
Mine is just a bit loose so i thought i'd get it replaced while i could.
Just wondered if the sofware would be improved and with them being out of stock thought it might be a new batch.
Just got mine replaced and it's exactly the same (bought in november, sent back in december, recieved new one this morning)
Replacement XDA IIs for XDA IIi
I rec'd my XDA IIs in December and by the beginning of February the keyboard so loose it felt like it was about to come off!
I therefore decided that as I wasn't using the keyboard as much as I'd expected (found it to cramped) I've agreed with where I bought it from to swap for the new XDA IIi which I've just received and must admit is better suited to my needs.
Also got fed up with nobody being able to hear me when using the XDA IIs although saying that a couple of people have commented about the IIi as well!!
:?
Just noticed that there is a review of the IIs in this months PDA buyer, i think they didn't spend enough time playing with it, it's good but not that good!!!
I've used the XDAIIs from last Dec, after 2 replacements I finally got one that the keyboard is really tighted, not badly loose like the 2 previous ones. But I've seen a lot of users complained that after a few weeks of use it will loose gradually therefore I haven't used it as much as I had expected. The keyboard was also one of the main reasons I bought this phone, too bad HTC couldn't make it work. I've decided to exchange the XDAIIs for the XDAIIi as I wouldn't use the keyboard as it's supposed to. I'm fear that someday the keyboard would fall off if I used it too much. What is the point of having the keyboard if you would never use it??? Anyone who is thinking about buying XDAIIs should consider the problem with the keyboard, if you can live with it, XDAIIs is a great piece of machine.

xda IIs - good or not good?

I'm planning to get a unit next week. I've been checking out the forum for quite some time, it seems that there are a lot of complains. Are there any satisfied user of xda IIs? How's the construction of the keyboard? Is it very fragile?
My opinions may not be as valid as those who have used the IIs for longer time as I have been using it for just a week now, but as far... I'm very pleased with the IIs, sure it has software stability issues but not until the point it's unmanageable by myself.
The thumb board and the slide up screen area is not as fragile as people think it is (most likely they never use it for a long period of time). Just yesterday, I write an article using the thumb board, while playing MP3 and some sms chatting with my wife on the IIs, not as smooth as I wanted to, but it gets the job done without problem
Wi-Fi connection is great... Although the range could be better, I connect via Wi-Fi at the office to transfer my work to the server and browse the internet with it. Bluetooth is also fine.
What do you want more? It's my first ever device which made my laptop and computer almost obsolete.
That my friend... Coming out of an ex hardcore Palm OS user 8)
Regards,
Miki
I am not pleased at all. I think the XDA IIs is the biggest heap of junk known to mankind. Don't slide it down more than five times otherwise it will just drop all the time and never stay in its original place. What a pyle!!! I would get the XDA IIi or wait for the XDA VI
After using Xda IIs for more than 1 month, I find this device to be much much better compared to my previous Xda II, especially in term of battery life and stability (actually stability depends on the softwares you've installed and your knowledge of balancing different kind of programs). About the thumb board, honestly, i don't mind since i seldom use it.
If you are a previous user of Xda I or Xda II, you'll aprreciate Xda IIs as much as I do.
cayotte said:
(actually stability depends on the softwares you've installed and your knowledge of balancing different kind of programs)
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I wouldn't say that stability is left to the user alone, my 2nd day with the IIs reaffirms me that Microsoft needs a competitor so it can deliver better product... While playing around, my IIs restarts itself when I click on the start button. Well, so much for the legendary Microsoft stability. This also happens when I try an earlier built rom IIs and II Mini (the restarting itself issue) but the final built rom seems more stable.
Mikee4fun said:
Don't slide it down more than five times otherwise it will just drop all the time and never stay in its original place.
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I work as an IT journalist, and before I bought the IIs I personally reviewed it and subjected the most horrific things people can do to an electronic device. One of the torture test I applied to the IIs is playing the slider like a yo-yo toy. While holding the screen portion I tuck the IIs down and it opens under its own weight. I even slid open and close the device indefinitely for 10 minutes (my colleague helps). It's a bit lefty loosy, but still manage to hold on none the less. What we have is the prototype from HTC, it's grey like the MDA III, but has O2 marking on the top left. Probably our test subject is the "reviewer edition" with extra strong build, but I have faith.
What I like more about the IIs is the 4 extra hard button. After seeing the rumoured Windows Mobile 2005 has function like the Smartphone edition (context sensitive button), a WM 2005 compatible option is good to have. That 4 extra button seems to correspond well to the WM2005 (but probably I'll be buying another PDA Phone when the new OS is available down the line).
Sorry for the long post... My occupation forces me to
The XDAIIs is a great little device. Like all "bleeding edge" technology, it suffers from the occasional hicup, though nothing that affects me in normal day to day useage and I've had mine for three months.
Build quality appears to be fine. I'm sure there are some dodgy units out there, but then, I'm sure the odd Rolls Royce comes off the production line with less than perfect build quality. If you do buy an XDAIIs and get one that doesn't seem quite right, take it back and swap it for another. It's very simple and far better for your blood pressure than allowing yourself to get all frustrated and annoyed and trying to put everyone else off getting one!
I use it as a PDA (for both work and personal use), as an MP3 player, as an eBook reader for novels, enclyclopeadia and dictionary, I watch the odd funny video clip I've downloaded off the internet, I use it for exchange rates, in-car GPS navigation, Bluetooth headset, spreadsheets, quite a lot of e-mail and I use it with my wifi connection at home and in airports, bars, hotels etc. Plus, I play the odd game on it, I have the weather forecast for several cities, I read the news on it and get regular stock market updates. I keep my wedding photo's on it and have quite a few photo's from my honeymoon (in Finland!) which I enjoy looking at in the odd sentimental moment. Oh, and I use it as a phone as well; though not often - I'm just not a "Mobile phone" kind of person. Which is another reason I love it. I can have a mobile phone with me all the time, without having to carry a mobile phone with me all the time - if that makes sense?
And with all that useage, I occasionaly get a message saying bluetooth couldn't start due to insufficient memory (probably once a week), so I reboot it (it is windows, after all!). I've noticed maybe three or four times that, when switching from landscape to portrait, the screen doesn't quite re-draw itself correctly, so I do it again, and it fixes itself.
And there are probably one or two other things that require me to reboot it, but they happen so infrequently, I really can't remember what they are.
But all in all, it's a cracking little device that does what it's meant to with little fuss. Treat it with respect and care (i.e. don't put dodgy cracked or warez software on it, don't fill up the memory so it has non left to work with, back up often just-in-case) and it'll serve you well.
Wow! xda IIs is not bad at all quite excited to have one soon, hope the soon to be released rom would make the device even better
What Bassey said....
..except for the stuff about his honeymoon in Finland.
Mines has been a bit glitchy but the positives far outway the negatives. The biggest complement I can give it is that I use it all the time intuituvely. Since its always to hand it always gets used.
Dont forget, forum users are far more inclined to moan about stuff than praise it, especially when the need a solution to something.
yeah, thats true how about posting some positive experience about xda IIs, otherwise it will seem a horror movie just to use the device. :lol: I could just imagine owning a device with problems in all aspect.
IMO, if you are into tinkering firmware, beta testing, love using window 3.1(in terms of reboot couple times a day and re-install once very few weeks), etc., you can't go wrong with the IIs. Sorry, I am a bit negative with my IIs. :?
Yatlee, I don't mean to be rude or anything, but as there are people on here that are using their IIs quite heavily and without any problems then it would seem that you may have a dodgy unit. Have you tried to return it to where you got it for an exchange or refund?
Im happy with my XDA Iis. Ive had it since november and it is my main phone, with the original rom and bt patch 3500 i had no major problems. Soft resets were mainly due to 3rd party software and I only hard reset to remove software which would not uninstall properly. It has always been stable for me and the new rom has no ill effects so far. I use it for wifi browsing at home, (though ive had the unit lockup on me but this has reduced dramatically with a new router) and use bt with no problems with a Sony Ericsson HBH-200 headset and AVL bluetooth gps. Also no problems with the keyboard getting loose
I've had mine since the end of December.
The only thing that I dislike about the IIs is the damned BT. Quite frequently, approx 25% of the time, the other party can not hear me when I am using a BT headset. Then I'll have to turn off the BT headset and talk directly with the phone. A soft reset fixes things but only for a while.
No voice dialing is a pain too, but I guess I'll live with it. I've tried Vitotech Voicedialer but I didn't like it. Having to turn on the device, then run a program just to do voice dialing is lame. I might as well dial the number myself if I have to do so many button presses on the device.
Other things such as no profiles and no individual ringtones out of the box are mere annoyances. These are easily fixed with additional software.
My unit is fairly stable. I rarely have lockups but this could be because I ALWAYS soft reset it in the morning before I leave for work. I do this to make sure the BT will work on at least the 1st or 2nd call. :lol:
The keyboard is decent. I would prefer a more solid tactile feedback but it's good enough for occasional use. The slider is still tight on mine, but I use it maybe only once a day.
Phone reception is good. It's at least as good as my old SE68i. The wifi works well too. It's a good little device.
Bassey said:
Yatlee, I don't mean to be rude or anything, but as there are people on here that are using their IIs quite heavily and without any problems then it would seem that you may have a dodgy unit. Have you tried to return it to where you got it for an exchange or refund?
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My unit is in the repair center after encountering the misterious "I can't hear the other party and vice versa". I love IIs when it's working. Hard reset and reinstall allow the unit to work again, but only temporary. I avoid most of the third party software except for the much have one (such as voice command, my email client, etc.) Plenty of memory left (80+MB).
XDA support is quite disappointing. Maybe microsoft is the company to blame, but every problem they basically point the finger back to Microsoft. I can imagine may be few years down the road, they will get every right and solid (just like how long it takes microsoft to come up with window 2000/XP; some may aruge it's still not perfect).
I am seriously thinking about getting the mobile phone and PDA separate if my problem persist. I can go on, but I stop now. Sorry about the ranting.

XDA Orbit - Questions from a Prophet user!

Hi,
I currently own a Prophet (I-Mate Jamin model) which I bought around 12 months ago on an o2 contract. I'm happy with the device and haven't had any issues with it that I haven't been able to resolve myself (& by lurking on these forums) but as I mentioned, I've had it about 12 months now and I'm due an upgrade with o2.
I'm considering getting an XDA Orbit but the specs seem pretty much the same as my Prophet. I'm attracted to it becauase physically it looks nicer from what I can tell, but that's pretty much it.
Can any of you shed any light on what the main differences are between these devices and if it would actually be worth me upgrading to the Orbit?
WM6 is obviously a big factor in this, I don't know if it will ever be availible for the Prophet but it appears that there may be a chance it will be availible for the Orbit.
The only faults I have with my Prophet are the way it has the worlds worst vibrate feature (very noisy & long) & it's quite weighty and a bit bulky for my pocket. If these features are better on the Orbit then it would be a selling point for me.
Lastly, one thing that's importnat to me is the 'keypad' software that seems to be present on the Prophets roms. I'm used to this for one handed input, - is this availible on the XDA Orbit?
I realise this is all a bit drawn out but I'm hoping that there will be members hear that can relate to my issues and give me some advice!
If not, I might just stick with my Prophet for now and see what else comes out in the future, although I'm also slightly tempted to go the Symbian route and get a Nokia N95 which o2 also have an offer and it looks quite nice (but then I don't know a great deal about Symbian)
Any views??!
Thanks for any help!
An update to an Orbit will be fairly easy for you as you will be used to the operation of the phone
You will also get
wi-fi - I use this all the time
GPS - either Co-Pilot or you can get TomTom (worth the upgrade on it's own in my opinion
WM6 next month (hopefully)
O2 will let you have it for free, you can sell your old one on ebay for £150ish
I don't think the N-95 is all it was cracked up to be. The GPS is not as good as the Orbit - either the hardware or the supplied software
What have you got to loose ?
Hays
Gah, screwed up...
Thanks hays, I appreciate that.
This might be a silly question but can you get the T9 'phonepad' on the Orbit, it's just I read in a review that it wasn't available & I use this constantly on my Prophet.
One of the other things about the N95 that's been attracting me is the camera quality, but I do feel more comfortable sticking with windows mobile if I'm honest, especially if I can upgrade for free.
Also my Prophet does have Wi-Fi, I use this a lot...The N95 also has it...
Thanks again,
yes the phone pad was posted on the forum and I use it all the time with my orbit.
I cant argue re the camera - the orbits is good in daylight - not so good in low light. Definately 1-0 to the N95 for that one
I've not seen tomtom running on a 95. I gather the supplied s/w is pretty lame. The GPS chip is not SIRF III, meaning it takes a few mins to lock on when you start up. Also needs a failrly good line of sight in your veh according to some
My orbit locks on in around 20 secs. It can even get a lock from the middle of my house
Hi hays, thanks again for the free help!
Sorry to keep up with the questions, but one last thing - GPS is new to me. Is this something that there are data charges for? I'm not sure how it works.
I've a Vodafone sim from my works phone that I was hoping to use in the Orbit but I'm not sure if I'll still be able to use GPS with it or how much it costs if I stick with my o2 sim.
I guess I should probably be proactive and Google this!
Thanks again,
(also, good news about the phone pad)
GPS = Global Positioning System. Free and used worldwide
GPS is free on the Orbit as it behaves exactly the same way as a regular in car GPS (unless you subscribe to live traffic updates which use GPRS - which is your phone's mobile data service)
The maps are stored on your storage card and therefore require no downloads. It does not matter which network or sim card you use as the orbit's GPS is stand alone
I believe the N95 uses GPRS to download the maps so that may be a factor to consider

XDA Orbit 2 or XDA Stellar - pros/cons

Im due my upgrade but just waiting for the new tariffs to come live in Feb.
Im split on which handset to go for however, they seem very similar on paper but wanted to know if there was a general preference for a particular one...
Or one is better than the other because... finding it a bit difficult atm. Also, do you know if you can use a slingbox with these devices ?
Thanks
Amin
yes
Yeah I got the slingbox software on my o2xda orbit 2 and i works great..
HTC Kaiser
Hi,
I've had my HTC Kaiser (O2 Stella) for about a month on Vodafone and at first was very impressed with it, it was my first ever WM6 mobile so i was bound to be impressed though lol. I've had some issues with phone reboots and freezes and generaly felt very annoyed with the phone. Then I found this forum and read through the section on flashing with a new ROM, so i probably invalidated my warranty by flashing it but since i did it the phone has worked flawlessly!!! Couldn't be happier.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/11/09/o2_xda_orbit_2/
Looking at that little bit of info on that site it looks like the specs have been uped from the O2 Orbit and are now the same as the Stella, although I have a 2gb SDCard in mine and the Orbit can accept upto 1gb?
It doesn't look as though it has a slide out keyboard like the Stella does.
Hope this helps.
Scott
Thanks
I did notice on gsmarena comparison that one was mentioned as being SDHC compaitble so it can take the 4gig micro sd cards but the other not.
And one has A2DP bluetooth support but the other has not..
decisions decisions

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