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I cannot stop my self for writing this...
I 'm the happy owner of a BA (XDA IIs) after:
smashing 2 IPAQs 2210 in less than a month
losing my Lumix FX7 digital camera (same month)
and go swiming with my cell phone on me...
I'm a heavy user of GPS while biking so you can guess the heavy duty and stress i put in my electronics... (150kms/h on a handle bar mount for example)
Looking for trips and stuff to get more form my BA I have been able to compile a series of apparent failures or deficiencys and I looked like a great idea to post them here in a list form...
so the list starts...
The weakness
*Some users report that the screen starts whistling after 1 month or so of use
*Bluethoot under performing (actually I never been able to use the headset)
*Wifi Under powered (some blame the antenna location for both BT and WIFI)
*When on the bike craddle camera and record buttons constantly pressed by craddle grip (creating eternal lag)
*Power button apparently dies easily
*No data extension, so no possibility to use CF backpack
*Aparently unstable device in overall (some users report daily resets)
*Over billing of GPRS due to crappy implementation
*Stylus fall off the handheld (already lost 1 and dropped the 2nd several times)
*lack of support from the manufacturer (almost al updates are cooked ROMS (kiss the cook))
*Lack of accesories
*hard to find accesories due to the millions of names under the same machine is commercialized
*2.5 mm headphone jack
*sub performant IR port (also on the side not in front)
*Short Battery life
But you're still a happy owner?
I like my device overall.
The high-pitched sound eminating from my screen is annoying me, though.
However, in my mind, I truly do consider this device a beta device.
It's just not "tight" and "solid".
I am referring to the antenna. The loose stylus. The daily resets. The lack of support. The bluetooth problems everyone complains about.
To me, it sounds like this device is a work in progress.
Whistling screen aside, though, I do still like it more than other PPCs I've owned.
They are almost ALL beta devices!
Beta devices ???
Well I must agree with Mike about the Beta thing...
I am actually regretting having bought that µGPS from Holux a year ago... It is when all started for me lol
Anyway never paid 800 euros to be a beta tester before... :roll:
And yes I am happy with my BA
The only issue I've suffered from is teh sporatic "No Sound" issue when i make a call or receive one. Guess I've been lucky.
Before upgrading to rom 1.4 i pretty much had to hard reset daily, since upgrade (1 week ago) have only hard reset once, and only then as I was required to after installing a program!
The only issue I've suffered from is teh sporatic "No Sound" issue when i make a call or receive one. Guess I've been lucky.
Before upgrading to rom 1.4 i pretty much had to hard reset daily, since upgrade (1 week ago) have only hard reset once, and only then as I was required to after installing a program!
Pretty unhappy with my device also
Here is my review after 6+ months. No problems on the build quality, mostly stability/software issues. This device is soooo beta....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=23880&highlight=
I original bought the BA as a cheap way to get gps.
I rarely use it for gps but couldn’t live with out it during day today use.
However im very unhappy with the build quality within a couple of days the casing started to get scratched. It feels really cheap and im hating the ugly nav button. The idea of selling it in a years time will be a no go as by then it will be beaten up.
I haven’t taken it back to o2 as im sure they will say its normal wear and tear and not due to shoddy hardware.
I might loose the item soon :wink: and hopefully the nice insurance peeps will replace it with a 2i
Guys!!!
Looks like O2 has made differrent hardware alongwith the Asia ROM.I too use it on bike heavily....may not be at the speeds as mentioned above ,but 100 kms a day...about 1-2 hrs of GPRS, NO GPS, 3 Hrs of talk tme...with environmental condtions, most of them dusty, varying temperatures and other harsh conditions.But...here XDA 2s working fine....no such above complaints..
I like Blue Angle and I must admit thatn the hardware is excellent and is more stable than all of the HTC devices so far... :lol:
Mine comes from asia originally....
I bought mine in Malaysia (extremelly expensive compared to what you find in Ebay this days)
I paid the equivalent to 850 euros for it !
only to discover that is the same device that goes 2nd hand in ebay for 300 !!!!! (The names thing !!!! ) how can you guess that a qteck 9090 is an XDA IIs, which also is a Blue Angel, which also is a PDA2K bla bla ....
Atop whistling screen, constant crashes, loose styolus and the no sound in call problem, my XDA2s has scratched the kyyboard through normal use. It must be too tight or something.
Definately a beta. I'm surprised this passed EC quality control.
Im from the Philippines and I got my IIs a few weeks ago, Im a N9210 user for 4 years and I was thinking of getting a 9500, but the deciding factor was the stylus which the 9500 lacks since I was looking for a wifi Phone and the stylus was important for my use. so I opted for a IIs. THe main problem with my IIs now is the stability, as what many complain about!!!! the "no sound" problem is a real pain, but I still have hope for the IIs thanks to this site!!!
BTW i still have the old ROM version, Im afraid of upgrading coz I might have more problems than benefits.
Upgrade upgrade
2 path...\
Most of the probs go away when u use the beast in corporate mode with latest rom upgrade....
Hello guys,
I have long heard of whistling screens but never really understood what its really about - until last night. I heard it! It is sooo damn annoying. If I send my BA to i-mate Dubai, do they replace it for free? What are the costs? Please, if anyone can answer ASAP because I have under 1 month of warranty.
Thanks a lot.
c'mon, boys, help this mate... :roll:
z_rudy said:
Hello guys,
I have long heard of whistling screens but never really understood what its really about - until last night. I heard it! It is sooo damn annoying. If I send my BA to i-mate Dubai, do they replace it for free? What are the costs? Please, if anyone can answer ASAP because I have under 1 month of warranty.
Thanks a lot.
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I never experience this "whistling sound" at all.. Im happy with my BA. 'no sound" problem? I just upgraded to the latest Radio and CE rom.. I tried also the WM 5.0, butI decided to go back to SE..
no probs at all
I have had my 2s for a whole year now. I have never really experienced any problems with it. (Except for the scratches and lost stylus pens though). I've yet to experience software problems and the so-called whistling screen. I, too, have tried upgrading to wm5 but I did not like the changes. I'm running on '03 SE with my own cooked extrom. :lol:
I like my 2s overall.
I think I'll live with it
Thanks anyway...
So if it's sooo bad what's good Pocket PC phone then, tell me, so I can decide...which to buy, I need a quad band, and one that is 100% perfect.
Hi
My PDA2K is falling apart (I have dropped it a couple of times which has not helped.
I need to replace it and I am wondering with what.
I could simply go for another PDA2K but really never want to buy from i-mate ever again so am looking at [email protected]'s XDAIIs and IIi or the T-Mobile MDAIII.
Which is the best or would you steer totally clear of this phone because of all its problems?
Robin
I've got an O2 XDA2s & a work colleague has the T-Mobile MDAIII. Persoanlly I'd use either agin depsite their known issues. I like having an all-in-one device & am happy to compromise to get it
I would definitely buy another XDA IIs, if mine died. The grey colour of the O2 device simply oozes more class than the silver handsets.
Quality has been good (except for the hard reset issue when removing the battery - which is easily solved by keeping the power cord in when changing the sim card). I would be tempted to hang on for the universal though....... NICE!
i simply cannot afford to buy a brand new one if mine died, id have to wait til i can upgrade again, but if i could, then i would buy another as i have already got my bro to get one of these, and also he is a driving instructor, so its useful for his appointments and stuff.
if i was close to my upgrade date tho, i would just wait and get the next xda
joey.
Personally, no. I've realised I don't need the organisation or programs of a PDA. I bought it for Skype, but that doesn't work. The build quailty is not amazing.
I'll be going back to standard Sony Ericssons next contract period.
Chris
I'm very disappointed with all PDA's.
As a long time user AND enthusiast, I'm completely dissatisfied with everyone available. Moving to the BA from a HP, I expected better innovation from the leading producer of WM based PDA's, especially after seeing what HP was producing with the 6500's. Now I just realized that HTC is producing the 6500 for HP...!?!
Why wont someone produce a quality device with a hires (vga) screen, good memory (128 RAM, not to mention the availability of multi GB micro drives), reliable phone (GSM), fast data (GPRS/EDGE), un-crippled Bluetooth (audio/voice), and a small form factor (Treo). It has to be possible. I paid $850 for the BA (unlocked), and it's ridiculously unstable, and can't do what my $50 cell phone can do.
Bitter, Bitter, Bitter...
I hear you man. Sometimes I wonder if I should have got a different Pocket PC so Skype would actually work.
All of them are crippled/broken/manufactured badly in some way. The BA has its fair share of problems, but the important thing is that they're no more than any other PDA (apart from maybe the keyboard).
Chris
Some guy at work has te iPaq hybrid pda/phone. Quite swanky. I recently have this descision on my plate. Keep my new XDA2s or swap for the slower, but better made and more stable SE P910.
I'm waiting for Nokia N91.
I will surely buy another Blue Angel. Wish they could makde the keyboard more stronger and add WM 2005 in it .
I am pretty happy with the stuff .
NO!
his hardware its really crap...
Robster said:
Hi
My PDA2K is falling apart (I have dropped it a couple of times which has not helped.
I need to replace it and I am wondering with what.
I could simply go for another PDA2K but really never want to buy from i-mate ever again so am looking at [email protected]'s XDAIIs and IIi or the T-Mobile MDAIII.
Which is the best or would you steer totally clear of this phone because of all its problems?
Robin
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Is your phone covered by your house insurance.....was it you that dropped it? I would be suspicious and claim for a new one if you get my drift!
I would definetaly buy another one! It has had it's issues, but they all do to one extent or another. I use mine for my work all the time, and it has been the best unit that I have owned to date.
Later.......
i will never buy xda lls.
i hope i can change my xda lls to xda lli now.
but i have no money
Absolutely NOT. Sick of the instability, the poor support, the resetting 3 times a day and everything else that goes with it.
Never again!
I like the idea of an all in-one-device but...
1) phone is unstable
2) bluetooth is unstable
3) pda is unstable requiring resets
4) no UMTS
5) no "good" camera (0.3 MP ? come on! 5MP cam phones are out already)
6) no EDGE support
7) low memory
8) don't use keyboard as often as I thought
it is an OK device, but could use a lot of improvement.
I live the universal and I would give it a try if it were quadband
Until 3 days ago I would have said no. My 02 XDA2s was horribly unstable in all the ways described above.
I then had to try and find a replacement all-in-one. All I found that does everything this does that I need is the XDA2i (which from reading the forum sounds just as bad) and the Nokia N91 (out this Christmas at the earliest - I needed a handset NOW!)
I will take the keyboard of the XDA2s over the camera of the 2i anyday (all XDA cameras are limited by the crappy lenses anyway, no matter hoe good resolution they make them). The keyboard's really useful when doing things like entering passwords with greater accuracy or chatting on MSN.
I then flashed my ROM and radio to the latest availible and I have not had to reset yet in over 24 hours!
I was resetting my other XDA2s with 02 ROM 5 times a day!
Flash your ROM!! It makes this thing work to an acceptable level! Media Player 10 is great too, although the buttons are disabled which makes toggling the screen difficult. Album art and media centre synching make it worth it
Nope, I would not buy another BA. Next time I want to upgrade to get the HTC Wizard. Smaller phone with built in wi-fi and WM5.
With the BA:
I have never used the slide out keyboard
I am fed up with wi-fi choosing whether or not it wants to turn on
I am fed up getting the driver low memory message on BT
I am fed up with the phone locking up up so I can't call out and others can't call me without doing a soft reset or turn on/off BT every time.
Some of you are missing the point here! Let's compare to units that are already available, not things that have not arrived yet! With the right rom combination,this is an acceptable unit! Edge is new and very limited right now,and was not available when these came out.Stability issues can be resolved by cooking your own rom! Using reasons like that,as well as "I don't use this,or that feature", is not really the point,is it!
Just my 6 cents worth..... Later....... 8)
ill still buy ba or the upcoming one
this is the best i've ever had...i started from xda1 then xda2 now xda2s...that's why i love this site...and thanks t'all the people Here...lm working at night, n use my wifi w/o problems...use my verichat for chatting or agile, surf net...play my old school super nintendo (thousand selection)...use resco to ftp my website n upload/dowload mp3's ,files etc....listen my new remix mp3's w 2gigs while im in the gym ...ayt....
With the current selection of phones/pdas in the market today, I would still buy the same IIs I have....thats considering I can still aford one
Hi all,
I've been going thro' the rigmarole of upgrading the Radio and the ROM. Tinkering with the device, making it a power users dream machine.
But, I tell you, my device sucks as a phone!
My friends are fed up of my calls breaking up while I talk to them. I thought it was my by bluetooth headset (a Jabra 250v) but even without it, while I hold my beloved brick against my head the calls keep breaking up! I thought this new imate ROM (dated 20 Feb 2006) was the answer to my prayers, but frankly I think the call quality has deteriorated.
Sure it's faster than before but I paid for a phone too, damn it! It's degrading into a sad joke. And I paid a handsome amount for a joke I don't find funny.
So tell me, am I alone or is anyone else suffering like me?
The ROM installs, and Extended_ROM customizations etc are all fun, but pointless if the phone doesn't work!
Yeah, I've had a pda and a phone for years. I thought this would be a truly convergence device. But I read on the forums of ppl (true Power users) carrying a 'real' phone and a universal. So did this $1000 investment fail?
I don't know, but I miss my Eten M500.
I am truly disillusioned. And yes I've upgraded to the new ROM version JASJAR_WWE_13076_164_10900_wwe_ship.
But it hasn't solved my Radio/ Bluetooth problems.
ok, rant over. I'm headed off to a bar for some drinks.
FWIW I live in Mumbai, India and use the Hutch network.
Fellow suffers pm me so I know it's not my device, since service out here is non existent and I'd just have to flog it on ebay. And it's a shame because I just love the screen.
peace
jafar
my969 said:
Hi all,
I've been going thro' the rigmarole of upgrading the Radio and the ROM. Tinkering with the device, making it a power users dream machine.
But, I tell you, my device sucks as a phone!
My friends are fed up of my calls breaking up while I talk to them. I thought it was my by bluetooth headset (a Jabra 250v) but even without it, while I hold my beloved brick against my head the calls keep breaking up! I thought this new imate ROM (dated 20 Feb 2006) was the answer to my prayers, but frankly I think the call quality has deteriorated.
Sure it's faster than before but I paid for a phone too, damn it! It's degrading into a sad joke. And I paid a handsome amount for a joke I don't find funny.
So tell me, am I alone or is anyone else suffering like me?
The ROM installs, and Extended_ROM customizations etc are all fun, but pointless if the phone doesn't work!
Yeah, I've had a pda and a phone for years. I thought this would be a truly convergence device. But I read on the forums of ppl (true Power users) carrying a 'real' phone and a universal. So did this $1000 investment fail?
I don't know, but I miss my Eten M500.
I am truly disillusioned. And yes I've upgraded to the new ROM version JASJAR_WWE_13076_164_10900_wwe_ship.
But it hasn't solved my Radio/ Bluetooth problems.
ok, rant over. I'm headed off to a bar for some drinks.
FWIW I live in Mumbai, India and use the Hutch network.
Fellow suffers pm me so I know it's not my device, since service out here is non existent and I'd just have to flog it on ebay. And it's a shame because I just love the screen.
peace
jafar
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Hi,
It is Hutch network not the phone, all SP'S in india are getting choked due to the cheap tarrifs that they are rolling out.
The rom upgrade is nothing to do with voice breaking. Try 1.09.0 Radio upgrade it is awsome with out any issues.
Cheers, Taurus
Thanks for the reply but the upgraded ROM includes the 10900 Radio.
ie. JASJAR_WWE_13076_164_10900_wwe_ship
the hutch network sounds fine on my ol nokia 6600, no probs.
and the jabra 250v works flawlessly with it.
I could use it and my trusty ol palm pda. Keep the "brick" at home.
sheesh! I put down a $1000 to get the latest technology, and i'm considering my old nokia and palm, because I have it (wouldn't cost me anything) and I know it works!
I had the version 10800 Radio before this I feel it was better, but then it's just my subjective observation.
boy am I in a dark mood.
my969 said:
Thanks for the reply but the upgraded ROM includes the 10900 Radio.
ie. JASJAR_WWE_13076_164_10900_wwe_ship
the hutch network sounds fine on my ol nokia 6600, no probs.
and the jabra 250v works flawlessly with it.
I could use it and my trusty ol palm pda. Keep the "brick" at home.
sheesh! I put down a $1000 to get the latest technology, and i'm considering my old nokia and palm, because I have it (wouldn't cost me anything) and I know it works!
I had the version 10800 Radio before this I feel it was better, but then it's just my subjective observation.
boy am I in a dark mood.
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I have the same combination i mean Jabra 250V + Dopod 900. I am running with 1.13 Rom + 1.9.0 Radio Version. In singapore i do not have any Voice breaking problem it works flawlessly.
When i travelled to india with the same combination it was the worst. Especially with Airtel / Hutch.
Probably 6600 is a strong one & manages well for indian scenario.
I can confirm that mine works flawlessly as a phone in the UK with a motorola HS850 headset - maybe it is the Hutch network??
ive never had a call break in the middle ...my jasjar is working flawlessly (in asia)
Tauras - i was in Sing for this new year - the voice calls break in Sing. I had raoming - so I used both the netwrks (I forgot Sxx was giving me UMTS I think - it was worse than the other). When I was on ship - my siemens worked flawlessly but Imate was without netwrk. Same in Malaysia where Imate spent most of the time searching, my nokia and Siemens were dead on clinging to their netwrks.
In Delhi - I switch netwrks a lot - but on GSM - few call drops. I was given UMTS by ... Airtel? Call drops.
I think all this problem is UMTS radio not being stable. In GSM mode - this is at least as stable as other cheap chinese made phones. But cant touch the stability of calls of Siemens/Nokia/SE.
Yes - This phone is useless. Its more of a beta device - The BT device never works as designed. Looses netwrks more often that other phones. And the problem of BT having its own mind was never solved.
jasjar works fine with any bluetooth any radio version...even Exec...in India in Mumbai...in Pune...in Bangalore.....with any provider...also with BSNL :lol:
Just to confirm ...
Mine too is absolutely fine after the Radio upgrade
Although I admit I had some issues with the phone with all the previous Roms
hello
i can confirm that i am having no issues with the new imate rom on my exec.
all is working fine and good voice clarity on the hcb300 SonyErricson bluetooth hands free carkit, used yesterday for about an hour whilst driving home no issues at all except the usual signal loss on the hilly area of the M1 motorway!!
cheers
EDIT:Signal loss meaning phone reception and not bluetooth. Sorry for not being clear
hdubli said:
jasjar works fine with any bluetooth any radio version...even Exec...in India in Mumbai...in Pune...in Bangalore.....with any provider...also with BSNL :lol:
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You obviously are not aloof with the fact that Bluetooth switches itself off after some time.
And
Whats BT got to do with the network?
Think before you talk. We are discussing here the shortcomings and faults of the phone. I mentioned BT becasue it never wrks reliably. Exactly like the radio of Universal.
l6cum said:
hello
i can confirm that i am having no issues with the new imate rom on my exec.
all is working fine and good voice clarity on the hcb300 SonyErricson bluetooth hands free carkit, used yesterday for about an hour whilst driving home no issues at all except the usual signal loss on the hilly area of the M1 motorway!!
cheers
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Do you use handsfree profile or Headset? Headset profile never had any problem. Its the easiest profile to implement.
My bluetooth and phone functions work perfectly.
I've never had any problems with mine at all. Bluetooth mains connection for significant car journeys whilst connected to my gps car kit - phone has been very stable through all releases that i have tried.
Please don't be as quick to dismiss other people's experiences when you are trying to get your own across.
I have this problem: can't play streaming URL with WMP. When I try to lounch it via PIE or via WMP, appears this WMP message:
Cannot play any items in the playlist. For additional information,...
Did someone experience the same?
my969 said:
I had the version 10800 Radio before this I feel it was better, but then it's just my subjective observation.
boy am I in a dark mood.
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I must admit I think I've noticed this too. I don't have any call breaks, but the quality of the sound seems to have deteriorated somewhat - not to a large degree, but enough to be noticable.
I'll try to downgrade to 1.08 and will report the findings.
Sounds to me like you have an intermittent hardware fault with your phone that no amount of ROMming about will solve. Is this a feasible concideration?
Andy
Well it seems everyone is raving about the phone so maybe I'm just crabby, but I just have to ask, all the same, and maybe to have a bit of balance in the euphoria...
Now I'm a massive HTC fan and have had WM since before the days of the steam engine. When the Rhodium was announced I just knew it was designed for me and I have been dreaming about it ever since. Well now I have one, and I'm sad to say I'm a little bit disappointed. Maybe expectations were too high. But I cant help feel that something is missing in the packaging.
Maybe it's just me but don't you think the scratch-shield is tacky? It started to peel off at the corners half an hour after I put it on. And why wasn't the G-sensor activated for the majority of the applications? And the FM-radio. It's there but without an application to run it on. etc. etc.
Now through the wonder of XDA and all of the expertise that resides here all these things are fixable, but you'd think that on an $800 phone this wouldn't have had to be the case. Kinda thinking that Apple would have done it diffrently... Not that I would ever go to the dark side.
Well, all I can say is that I can't wait to have some of the great chefs that have done such wonderful jobs on Hermes and Kaisers (which are my personal experiences ROM flashing) come over here and start fixing all the little glitches HTC seem to have missed.
Now my question is; is ther a Machiavellian plan behind all this or is it just ineptitude? Or am I being overly crabby???
Just my 2 cents worth/M
If Apple had sold it a damned site more would have been disabled out of the box and they would have drip fed you the goodies to keep you spending!
I'm pretty much sold on the prospect of any new HTC phone evolving over time. It is half the fun! But I agree with your point about the screen protector and radio. The protector was appallingly bad but not as bad as the Brando mirrored one that I bought to replace it!
The radio was preinstalled on my Vodafone branded phone and works well, so for some reason HTC must have disabled it on the ones they didn't send to VF
Don't you just love discovering new hidden functions and features? Like my Dopod D810 without GPS being abled when I first bought it, then Dopod released a ROM update to release it and they kept it when HTC issued the WM6 upgrade, all that after someone else discovered how to hack it.
My TP2 came with FM Radio function fully usable, but I found their software was extremely buggy - how about locking to one radio station forever and it wasn't even the station of choice? (released by deleting a registry and restarting the app) May be that's why they removed it for some regions.
Someone else also posted here that the Voice Recorder is also missing on his TP2, so go figure!
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Don't you just love discovering new hidden functions and features? Like my Dopod D810 without GPS being abled when I first bought it, then Dopod released a ROM update to release it and they kept it when HTC issued the WM6 upgrade, all that after someone else discovered how to hack it.
My TP2 came with FM Radio function fully usable, but I found their software was extremely buggy - how about locking to one radio station forever and it wasn't even the station of choice? (released by deleting a registry and restarting the app) May be that's why they removed it for some regions.
Someone else also posted here that the Voice Recorder is also missing on his TP2, so go figure!
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Thanks for the verification on why they didn't include the Radio App in the first firmware. I was wondering about this alot. BTW, is that you in the picture?
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how about locking to one radio station forever and it wasn't even the station of choice?
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Mine did that the first time I ran it but it worked perfectly after that
strange ha? , but i just hate htc for making such a great phone with a bad speaker,
everywhere i read i see that everyone is saying that the speaker is bad, and the earpiece volume is still something that i didn't get any confermation about its sound quality.
and the thing is i love android and i love the Sense interface, but i work in the most noisy place you can imagine and my current pro2 is really helping me a lot when it comes to sound quality esp from the earpiece.
i don't konw if i made the right decision i really love that phone, but i can't risk of having a bad earpiece.
what do you think? , should i wait and see the desire hd , or whatever will come by the end of the year with that 3.0 version of android , or just get myself the phone that i love?
I have the strangest suggestion for you: Try it out yourself!
So.. either give the sound quality a check with some demo unit in a store or something. If they don't have one, perhaps even ask if they can turn a Desire on for you so you can check the sound yourself.
Even better! Find someone (a friend, coworker etc) who owns a Desire. Then give the sound a try -right- at the place where you think it's important (e.g. noisy workplace).
Waiting for another phone or Android 3.0 could always be worth the wait. Who knows.. But there is absolutely no guarantee that the speaker/headphones will be better on that phone/those phones.
And since you don't really have any conformation about the earpiece quality yourself (and I guess you think it's really important), I think you should really give this a good test yourself.
Read: no matter what phone you buy, always check the quality yourself. Don't believe what others say. Perhaps someone else their quality standards is higher than yours, or they think other stuff is more important than you think.
well , you're very right, but the problem is that htc agent in Egypt is treating us like they are selling diamond , you can't try a device, if it's opened it's yours, and if you're lucky enough to find a demo device it's not for use with a sim card, you can try the software and everything except not making a phone call
even contacting the support is a night mare, as they are not authorized to speak their only job is to accept phones and send it to repair shops that belong to the agent , but they can't comment on anything.
even e-mail and phone support on the website , they don't provide any help at all
i don't have any freind who has the htc desire, and that's why i didn't try it
but don't you think that htc is really making no effort in providing us with better hardware.
i mean , why didn't they just make this phone with stereo speakers and aluminum body? and a 4inch display , simply cuz it's for the desire hd that's everyone is talking about
my point is i am begining to feel that these companies are really leaving problems in their devices , so we can think of upgrading our phones more often than we do
The speaker is indeed aweful, but I bought an x-mini capsule speaker and its better then any phone speaker I've ever used! Hope I helped.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
thanks , that was a lot of help
Not to mention the terrible touch screen and the ****ty AMO led. I'd say wait
Terrible touch screen and ****ty amoled? R u mad?
Headphone sound quality is fine for me too.
now that's news to me , i didn't hear anyone complaning from the screen , what's wrong with it?
sabbourh said:
now that's news to me , i didn't hear anyone complaning from the screen , what's wrong with it?
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Nothing.
sabbourh said:
strange ha? , but i just hate htc for making such a great phone with a bad speaker,
everywhere i read i see that everyone is saying that the speaker is bad, and the earpiece volume is still something that i didn't get any confermation about its sound quality.
and the thing is i love android and i love the Sense interface, but i work in the most noisy place you can imagine and my current pro2 is really helping me a lot when it comes to sound quality esp from the earpiece.
i don't konw if i made the right decision i really love that phone, but i can't risk of having a bad earpiece.
what do you think? , should i wait and see the desire hd , or whatever will come by the end of the year with that 3.0 version of android , or just get myself the phone that i love?
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if ur from the UK then order one via phone from tmobile and you get about 8 days to return it so you got 8 days to test it
The speaker is ok the problem is the placement of the thing... it's in the back of the phone making it less audible.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
The screen might be a personal thing. Personally I love the amoled screen, very nice to watch movies etc And the touchscreen is also very nice, very sensitive.
Guess supasye means the somewhat (possible) purple hue and the multitouch bug (which you probably never going to notice with normal usage).
My screen was very purple, so I've send it back for repair. Unfortunately the replaced device has some weird problem with the touchscreen (gets less responsive after some time, will be replaced now as well).
But as far as I can gather that's all an exception. I have multiple friends with a Desire and those all work perfectly. I can't wait until I get a new Desire back, and can start enjoying the device again!
As for output quality, I think it's perfect for normal usage. You can always buy some better quality headphones or something.
But then again, my standards are not that high for this. I don't use headphones that much and when I play music it's usually over bluetooth (in the car).
thank you all for sharing your opinions
like i was saying , my point is that i feel that htc is becoming more and more a monopoly player with no competition to face it.
it's like the story of lamborghini and ferrari , i see htc as the ferrari but i want a lamborghini
i see lots of people saying that the speaker does not work well , yet i don't see any actions from htc worldwide to improve it , much like apple with its phone antenna problem.
it's like those big companies refuse to say that they did something wrong , or even try to fix its problems.
htc in egypt is very bad in customer service , that's why i read a lot of reviews so i can make sure that i am buying the right headset.
sadly i can't buy the desire from outside Egypt for two main reasons, one it will not have arabic , my language, and two i will pay about 30% as taxes and customs.
moreover i get the feeling that once i buy the desire , a new model will be released with everything corrected, which makes you think , did they make such mistakes on purpose?
i don't like paying lots of money for my phone , and i don't like upgrading unless i am convinced that there's a real value being added.
but with all the great things that i see in the desire, i feel that waiting will be better due to that fact that i feel that htc did on purpose make the desire with speaker problems and 3.7 screen , so they can sell the next desire with a 4 or 4.3 screen and a stereo speaker.
I don't believe they create 'bad devices' on purpose, just to sell more of the next generation. E.g., put a crappy speaker in product X and then improve a bit for product Y. As a setup plan to sell more product Y devices. Although.... with some of the HTC products in past I'm not so sure lol
What HTC does, and has been doing for all along really, is create a nice device. And with almost the same internals and technology, bring a slightly improved version of that device on the market later (a bit like your example with a Desire, and then later a Desire HD).
HTC pushes out lots of models. When you buy one, a somewhat more improved version of that model will be out in a few months. And perhaps another one after that.
Then a new 'generation' devices will be release, and the same thing happens.
It's a proven and working strategy which seems to work very nicely for HTC. If you wait for the 'Desire HD' with bigger screen and stereo speakers, by that time something else is already around the corner.
However! Since those things cost quite some money, you have to be really sure it's what you want. So if you are not too sure about the Desire and actually rather wait for the 'next Desire', it's a good thing you can wait.
Not too many people (including me lol ) have the ability to remain calm and wait. Although I'm glad I bought the Desire when it came out. I just have to restrain myself to wait until the 'next generation' of HTC models
Do you specifically mean the loudspeaker sound quality and/or sound volume loudness?
As to the latter, maybe the end of this page will help somewhat: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3826/motorola-droid-x-thoroughly-reviewed/19
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I really love my Desire and I have had no problems with it but I guess there are some faulty models out there too.
If the loudspeaker is important to you, I'd wait for a new model. Desire's loudspeaker is the worst one I've ever seen. If you have no way of testing the device yourself there's an easy way to try it home: just buy the cheapest earplugs you can find, cut off the other earpiece, plug them to any source of audio and maximize the volume. That's what the loudspeaker sounds like, or maybe even worse.
The earpiece is not good either but it does it's job. I often have to ask people to talk more clearly because I can't hear what they are saying due to the poor sound quality.
But for HTC's defense I have to say that the bundled handsfree earplugs are very good and the sound quality of them is impressive. So if you're going to go with Desire, I'd advice you to either use the bundled handsfree or buy a better one yourself.
i disagree that htc does not use the idea of making bad devices so it can sell better ones later
look at the tytn 2 then pro one then pro2.
they make a great phone then instead of improving it they make a bad one , then they improve it again in the exact way it was supposed to naturally evolve.
( and by the way i used all of the three mentioned phones)
but look at the tytn one then the 2 , now that was a better upgrade , and worth the money too.
now as i was saying i am not going to buy the desire, although i love the os and the sence interface, but the speaker quality and the idea that i can't try the phone till i buy it makes it just a risk that i don't want to take , so i will wait and see what the coming days will bring us with new models.
i thank you all for sharing thoughts , opinions and ideas, they were really a lot of help
It's not that the loudspeaker is bad (it isn't), it isn't _very_ loud. It is certainly loud enough to hear the ringtone though.
As for the earpiece quality, I think it is quite good (better than iphone 3G/3GS, a bit worse than Nokia N81). I've heard from people some background hiss/buzzing may occur on 3G when the signal quality is very low. on Edge it works perfectly and quite clearly.
The included earbuds are not the worst I've seen either. They sound fine, look good.
But since I like the earcanal type, I went ahead and got me a pair of Creative EP-630i's, much better noise isolation and bass obviously. I should note that Desire is compatible with earbuds made for iphone just fine (mic and button works as it should).
I'd get a Droid X, if you can get your hands on it. If only for resizable widgets. But extra screen space, noise cancellation², HD recording and a gorgeous 8M camera with panoramic mode make me gush too.
i think that it won't have the great sence interface which is one of the main features that makes me love the htc desire,
but you know , waiting for that rumered desire hd seams to be a good idea after reading all of your opinions