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Hi All,
I have an XDA orbit, I am wondering if it automatically tranfsers data via EDGE or the standard GPRS
It is always showing the G symbol when not connected and the G with connecting/connected arrows, But I have never seen an E logo appear in its place!
Can anyone help
Many thanks in advance
Alex (Hippy999)
Since you have a XDA Orbit, i asume your carrier is O2?
O2 does not have EDGE Technology in their GSM Network. They spent their money on establishing their UMTS Network, so with O2 you have the choice of GPRS (using their GSM Line) or UMTS.
I have the same "problem" I don't really need UMTS Speeds, but EDGE would be nice.
Actually O2 does have the Edge network. They have had this facility since the Launch of the IPhone in the UK. I quite often get the Edge icon on my phone (Orbit), however, when i come to connect it reverts back to the G for the gsm network & so im not entirely sure as to which it is utilising. I have been told that it automatically reverts to whatever network your within range of, but aint a 100% certain of this.
After about a week plus of having my TP2, i realize that where i normally am surfing the net, i don't have HSDPA anymore. All i get is 3G. It's strange cos when i put the sim card into my TP, it gets HSDPA right away.
I've taken my TP2 out and in town, it gets HSDPA so that pretty much confirms that there is no setting problem. I've flashed with all the available Radio from the radio thread and none seem to help. I still can't get HSDPA where i'm sitting now while my TP would have full strength.
Anybody else has this problem? Is there a way to force HSDPA connection?
Anybody?
I just hard reset my TP2 and still no "H". Took the TP2 out for a drive closer to tonw and i get "H" which again means nothing is wrong with the settings portion.
Take the sim card out and put it into my TP, i get a strong full strength "H" from where my TP2 could not get
Weird & sad cos i use my data plan a lot.
Try downloading something and see if actively using the data connection switches it over from 3g to H
Let me preface by saying I don't have TP2 yet, still waiting on AT&T
I think without using something like Advanced Config (assuming there is a rhodium version), it will only show 3G even if it is in fact an HSDPA signal. You can adjust the setting with advanced config to enable the H display. But it is just enabling the icon I believe.
With the stock rom on my worldwide version it comes up with H when i use the data connection, otherwise it sits on 3g even in full reception ;- ) why i suggested it
worldwide edition is; world 3G on GSM right? where can you get that one!
Axeslocked said:
worldwide edition is; world 3G on GSM right? where can you get that one!
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Worldwide except the USA I believe. Otherwise I would have bought it long ago
dammit!
I want to upgrade to this **** from my TyTN that is falling apart but no Canada 3G until 2010 quarter 2. thats when rogers upgrades to 2100
HSDPA is 3G. Some taskbars on the Touch Pro 2 label a 3G connection as "H" or HSDPA.
You are getting the same data speeds regardless of whether the "H" or the "3G" symbol can be seen on your phone.
However if you get an "E" or a "G" that means you will get EDGE speeds and GSM speeds respectively.
The fastest is as follows from left to right: 3G > EDGE > GSM
Thanx for the reply guys.
HSDPA is faster then 3G right? Or did i get that information wrong
Anyway HSDPA is already enable in my TP2 as when i move to other locations...say closer to town, i do get "H". I just feel that the reception is not as strong as that of the TP cos at home where my TP has HSDPA connection, my TP2 does not
I'm trying out a new TP2-CDMA from Telus (Canada) and this is by far the best system I could ever try in my case. I've always been a GSM user (since 1994) mostly because it gives you the latitude of using what ever device you want just by inserting your SIM card. so I got the Phone Inserted my Rogers SIM in it and it got me on the Rogers network right away I then activated the phone on the Telus network and it is also working fine... of course...
But the best thing is that I set it on "Global" network and it stays on GSM (Rogers), and when I get to an area where there is no GSM signal it switches by it self to the CDMA (Telus) network!!! this is amazing! NO MORE DEAD SPOTS! Of course you need to have two Service contract from two different service provider, but if you absolutely need to get service in areas where your current provider does not offer any, well it sure beats the hell out of having two different cellphone in your pocket... I have set my main cell number to transfer to the other on "No Answer after X # rings" and I get all my calls no mater what network I'm on!
The only down side to this TP2-CDMA Unit is that Telus got rid of a bunch of stuff that is in the TP2-GSM... like the GPS for instance... Well I guess you can't have it all...
Just thought I'd share my joy...
The GPS is working, actually it works pretty well.
rick#2,
You are right, the GPS works.
I was trying it with Google Maps and could not make it work because GM does not seem to be able to get the data connection on the GSM network to load the maps and I thought it did not have the GPS but it does and all other Maps SW works on both GSM and CDMA, except GM that does only work on the CDMA network on this particular device...
I've been using the GSM connection for the TP2 down in the states and I stay purely CDMA up here in Canada. I'd like to say that HSPA works on the GSM network but no dice... unfortunately... don't know why.
Hopefully the 850/1900MHz bands that are possibly physically present on our Telus TP2s can be made available somewhere down the line. It's too bad they aren't up and running now, since I'm headed down to Mexico in a week and they are all 850/1900 down there for their UMTS network.
Yeah..
I know what you mean
Perhaps this one can solve the issues....
http://www.onthegosolutions.com/product.asp?itemMDL=HTC_TOUCH_PRO_2_US
Hi - I'm looking for some good answers - I think I know the basics...
After much shopping, I bought 2 of these...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170623785892&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
(HTC Touch Pro 2 s - the wife likes for our phones to match so I can teach, set up, etc...)
I think they are called T7373 SEA's South East Asia Versions, and I flashed to 2.07.707/4.49.25.91 radio just fine to get current at WM6.5. (I like factory ROM's - the books work, etc - despite my appreciation for the effort to cook.)
Now - I'm currently ATT, and when they go to Data Plan me, I'm going to T-Mobile prepaid.
So - I get to looking at 3g frequencies - of course!
The book for the device says 900/2100 HSPA/WCDMA.
The sellers' ad says
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 or HSDPA 1700 / 2100
(It's not really clear what the 'or' means)
Now, I'm not *****ing at the seller, I want to really understand, and they knew I was US and they asked ATT or Tmobile.
Would they like have reached into one of three bins, to sell me one of three truly different hardware phones - OR - picked a phone up and flashed it (Radio or full ROM) to my provider, or did they just configure the existing system so it picked Tmobile and its freqs for instance? (When the phone boots, it asks T-Mobile or 2 other Asian-sounding systems) How else could the phones do as advertised? (9/21, 8.5/19, or 17/21)
If the frequencies are not a settings, but a ROM/Radio issue, can I load the 'other US guys' flash and have it work?
If not, does anyone know what really is changed in the hardwares (I imagine the antennas' length might vary by X%, but then here that's % of mms.)
Thanks - great answers and experience really appreciated!!
The device in the picture of the ad is a European unbranded model (RHOD100). It's 3G frequencies are on the 2100MHz band. If they sent you the one pictures, you will not get 3G with any US provider. AT&T uses 850MHz and 1900MHz for their 3G service, while T-Mobile uses 1700/2100MHz. 3G radios are hardware dependent, not software dependent. This means that you must purchase the device that contains the radio for the 3G service you wish to use. They will work on 2G networks anywhere in the world. 3G is really the only difference between carriers.
The AT&T device is the RHOD300 model, also known as the Tilt 2. The T-Mobile version is the RHOD210.
The short answer is that if they send you the exact device in the picture from the ad, you will only be able to get 3G in some parts of Asia and Europe.
The description on the eBay listing is just cut and paste from somewhere (like HTC's website), so that is why it says "or" for the 3G bands. One is for the Euro model, the other is for the Asia model. Either way, neither have the correct bands to give you 3G on AT&T or T-Mobile. And as cajun mentioned, bands are hardware dependent, and there is no way to change it.
If you want 3G on AT&T, you need to buy the AT&T branded Tilt2. But since they will be able to read the IMEI number of the phone (since its ATT branded), they will probably add a smartphone data plan very quickly. So its probably not even worth getting a Tilt2, if you don't want a smartphone data plan. If you want 3G on T-Mobile, you need to buy a T-Mobile branded TP2.
Bottom line, if the phones you bought are unbranded, then they don't have the correct hardware to get 3G on either AT&T or T-Mob.
THX
Hey guys(?) thanks, I think I understand.
So - basically the ad HAS to be a lie, at least for 3G.
So I'm still wondering... What does HTC actually change in the phones - a crystal (I doubt this in modern times), a chip, a pack, an antenna length? There is a small area in the phone that looks 'potted' we used to call it.
They are way too pretty, and way too functional 'as is' to mess with (so I'm not gonna go module or whatever shopping), and we are pretty much 'emergency only' web people (for maps, pizza places, etc) and 2G will be fast enough. The value of a keyboard for texting, the Windows interoperability, and no damn contract is good enough.
We are deciding which ROM level we want before we try ATT to see if they know the numbers... T-Mobile prepaid is the backup plan.
THX
tshephard said:
Hey guys(?) thanks, I think I understand.
So - basically the ad HAS to be a lie, at least for 3G.
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A lie in that it looks like a lazy cut and paste, with either no proof-reading to catch the error, or a seller that does not fully understand what he is selling. They are a high volume seller, and also just used stock photos (not photos of the actual item), so its just a rushed auction posting. I don't think it was an intentional lie meant to mislead you. But if you want to dispute the sale, I think you have very good grounds, since the information in the auction is incorrect, and its actually impossible to tell what exact model (Euro or Asian) they are selling from the description.
AT&T most likely won't be able to correlate the IMEI with the right phone brand/model. But I've seen cases where they think its a smartphone, but the wrong one, and try to add a smartphone plan. I read a post where a guy was using a Nexus One, and their system was reading it as a Blackberry. I think he just told them it was an unlocked dumbphone, and they removed the smartphone plan.
Please Correct me if I'm wrong...
presently I'm using Sprint Touch Pro 2, and I have read on the internet that it is possible to work with AT&T or T-Mobile (which uses different technology other than Sprint's CDMA) after proper unlocking. Is it possible?
Regards.
chris8989 said:
presently I'm using Sprint Touch Pro 2, and I have read on the internet that it is possible to work with AT&T or T-Mobile (which uses different technology other than Sprint's CDMA) after proper unlocking. Is it possible?
Regards.
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Yes, but you will not be able to use any other network's 3G service. The best you will get is EDGE on another network.
To follow up...
ATT stuck me on $25 Smartphone within 24 hours. (We went to $15 later, and they dropped us to a $10 cheaper talk plan.) For this particular set of phones, apparently the first 8 or so digits of the IMEI is phone type (which they clearly knew from Tilt 2's) and the rest is item serial number. Couldn't argue there...
Speeds, freqs... I don't get a clear definition of G's anywhere, but I show a H before I long on, and another H with bars as I use data. I have used cellular data at up to 1.1mbs per speed sites - I don't know if that's over E, or G, or H but it seems pretty fast to me. All that's on ATT, when I went to the T-Mobile store and tried their card, the best I got was 200kbs on about 5 tries.
Love the phones, added HTC task manager pulldown, and 1.6 VC from here - THX
tshephard said:
To follow up...
ATT stuck me on $25 Smartphone within 24 hours. (We went to $15 later, and they dropped us to a $10 cheaper talk plan.) For this particular set of phones, apparently the first 8 or so digits of the IMEI is phone type (which they clearly knew from Tilt 2's) and the rest is item serial number. Couldn't argue there...
Speeds, freqs... I don't get a clear definition of G's anywhere, but I show a H before I long on, and another H with bars as I use data. I have used cellular data at up to 1.1mbs per speed sites - I don't know if that's over E, or G, or H but it seems pretty fast to me. All that's on ATT, when I went to the T-Mobile store and tried their card, the best I got was 200kbs on about 5 tries.
Love the phones, added HTC task manager pulldown, and 1.6 VC from here - THX
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G stands for GPRS, and it is a 2G service. It stands for General Packet Radio Service. It is the slowest data service you can get with speeds normally under 50Kbps. It is occasionally known as 2.5G service.
E stands for EDGE. It stands for Enhanced Data Rates for GSM Evolution. It was a revision to the 2G service implementation and features speeds from about 100Kbps to 250Kbps depending on location, service provider, and signal. It is occasionally referred to as a pre-3G technology. It fits in the ITU's definition of 3G, but few people refer to it as such. It is normally marketed as 2.9G.
UMTS (Universal Mobile Telecommunications System) was a revision to the voice service, and did not address much data-wise. This was the first widespread usage of the term and use of 3G. It is normally the service that your device is using when it shows the 3G icon. 3G speeds are normally 350Kbps - 500Kbps.
H stands for HSPA. It stands for High Speed Packet Access. It is one step higher than what is commonly known as 3G.It is also known as 3.5G. It features speeds closer to 1.5Mbps. HSPA is normally grouped in with 3G service when it is being discussed.
As for your test with T-Mobile, that wasn't really a fair comparison since you can't get 3G speeds on a Tilt2 on T-Mobile's network. You can only ever get EDGE service. Therefore, you were comparing AT&T's 3G service to T-Mobile's EDGE service. This is like trying to race a Mustang with a Moped. If you get the Rhod210 model, you will get the faster connection with T-Mobile. There isn't much to compare between AT&T and T-Mobile. AT&T 3G speeds are slower than T-Mobile. The services are also much cheaper on T-Mobile.
THX for reply, I generally understood all the abbreviations, but like you said - the marketing hype really seems to very from the technology.
If I saw, regularly, over 1 mbs and the H bars to the right of the H block, do ya' think I was H/HSPA over 8.5/9/19/21 freqs?
tshephard said:
THX for reply, I generally understood all the abbreviations, but like you said - the marketing hype really seems to very from the technology.
If I saw, regularly, over 1 mbs and the H bars to the right of the H block, do ya' think I was H/HSPA over 8.5/9/19/21 freqs?
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On AT&T it would be HSPA on the 850MHz and/or 1900MHz frequencies. T-Mobile uses 1700MHz for HSDPA and 2100MHz for HSUPA. The frequencies for 2G services are all the same for everyone. This is why you will get up to EDGE service with any GSM carrier, but never 3G service unless you buy a device that explicitly supports that carrier's 3G service.
I bought an unlocked Sony Ericsson Xperia Play R800i from Amazon to use with a Straight Talk sims card; however, I'm unable to connect to 3G. The phone only shows an Edge connection. Straight Talk specifies that the phone must operate in 850 and 1900 MHz bands. Here's what the Amazon page says about my phone:
This phone can be paired with 800/850/1800/1900 MHz UMTS/HSPA 3G networks in the United States (as well as 900/2100 MHz 3G networks found around the world, including in Europe and Asia). In areas not served by a 3G network, you'll continue to receive 2G data service via the EDGE network (depending on network compatibility).
I might be wrong, but doesn't that mean it operates under Straight Talks specifications?
hi friend...i've been following you.
Where are you located
sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia Play™(r800x) Running Slimbean 3.0 using Tapatalk 2™
Amazon lied to you, I'm waiting for my R800i refund. Read this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35756984#post35756984
i have the same issue but with my carrier offering 3G at 2100 Mhz which is Xperia Play supporting. When searching for carrier it shows me just 2G provider, non 3G. when WCDMA only selected, i lose signal. I am in coverage of 3G and my plan is supporting it.
Could it be hardware issue? i did factory reset but still having this issue. Connections just through EDGE, GPRS or Wifi
triscene said:
i have the same issue but with my carrier offering 3G at 2100 Mhz which is Xperia Play supporting. When searching for carrier it shows me just 2G provider, non 3G. when WCDMA only selected, i lose signal. I am in coverage of 3G and my plan is supporting it.
Could it be hardware issue? i did factory reset but still having this issue. Connections just through EDGE, GPRS or Wifi
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Do you live nearby a 3g tower?
eksasol said:
Amazon lied to you, I'm waiting for my R800i refund. Read this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35756984#post35756984
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I purchased an R800at from Amazon, which, according to that thread, should be able to connect to 3G correctly.
I've unlocked the bootloader, and flashed CM7.2 onto it, and I'm still only getting an EDGE connection. It shows a second connection under the "Network Operators" menu in the mobile settings, which, when I ran the stock ROM, was listed as "3G" but it always defaulted to the "2G" listing.
I live near a large city, and have gotten 3G on other carriers, and even 4G on a friends T-Mobile phone. I think I'm running the T-Mobile based SIM card, because the AT&T APN settings don't work with it, and the SIM came with the T-Mobile settings, it's even labeled in my APN as "Straight Talk T-Mobile" but I still only get EDGE.
I don't know much about straight talk, but is your Sim a 3G one? I had this issue a while back where i could only connect to 2G networks but then went to my carrier's store, told them the problem and they ported my contacts and number to a 3G sim and its worked ever since.
It may also be worth trying to get the APN settings from your service provider to see if this solves the problem.
I have an unlocked R800at (AT&T) that I am using on T-Mobile. Now where I live it shows that people have already reported getting HSPA+ on unlocked AT&T phones.
I have all the correct APN settings, however I always get 2G (Edge). But if i got to:
Wireless Networks
Mobile Network
And select search, for me it will bring up T-Mobile 2G and T-Mobile 3G as options. I select the 3G and it will connet and I will get HSPA+ (download of up to 7mbps, 3-5 up) for anywhere from 30 seconds to 5 minutes, then it reverts back to 2G. Its not a huge deal for me as when I was on VZ I had edge like speeds, but to be honest if I can HSPA+ then i would like to have it but I cannot find a way to get it to stay on 3G. I have used 3G speed tweaks, trying different apn's... nothing. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?
bodmeister said:
I don't know much about straight talk, but is your Sim a 3G one? I had this issue a while back where i could only connect to 2G networks but then went to my carrier's store, told them the problem and they ported my contacts and number to a 3G sim and its worked ever since.
It may also be worth trying to get the APN settings from your service provider to see if this solves the problem.
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I'm not entirely sure. I bought it on ebay, it's listed as a T-Mobile SIM card. It was a standard size, that the seller cut to micro. I have to put it in an adapter to use it with the phone.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/271178565880?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
hi, i have the same problem. r880i, it works well on gsm, totally unstable under wcdma..the "funny"thing is that i can't make calls nor text when it gets no signal(with the yellow triangle at top left),but i have data connection(i can install apps from store,browser youtube facebook works ecc) and i get mm#6 error sometimes(the phone in not stolen or whatever lock). all working well when set to gsm; if set to wcdma/gsm, or wcdma only it does the above mentioned behavior. i've relocked bootloader and repaired with seus and am currently on stock 2.3.4.. any fix or know issues?