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Any FREE media players for Dash?

As we all know Windows Media Player is a memory hog. Trying to send a text while listening to a song seems to take hours. Can anybody please tell me if there is a free media app thats better than Windows? I dont care much about video just something thats not so heavy on the phone that plays MP3 and WMA.
I did do a search and all I saw was people recomending PocketPlayer, but that costs money. I did find DivX.cab (comes with set-up files too), Im about to try it out but i really dont like installing extra software on my PC just for a media player on my phone. THanks for any help folks!
EDIT: DivX is only video, but it looks really nice for those of you who like to watch vids on their phone.

phatmanxxl said:
As we all know Windows Media Player is a memory hog. Trying to send a text while listening to a song seems to take hours. Can anybody please tell me if there is a free media app thats better than Windows? I dont care much about video just something thats not so heavy on the phone that plays MP3 and WMA.
I did do a search and all I saw was people recomending PocketPlayer, but that costs money. I did find DivX.cab (comes with set-up files too), Im about to try it out but i really dont like installing extra software on my PC just for a media player on my phone. THanks for any help folks!
EDIT: DivX is only video, but it looks really nice for those of you who like to watch vids on their phone.
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Try nitrogen 0.3.1 by microfi. not sure if it supports wma yet but he is working on more and more all the time. can make ur own skins aswell.

cool! ill check it out and wma is no biggie since i can always convert, I just use wma since the files are typically smaller.

tcmp is a good one

For M-peg files / PocketTV is the best! No lag and perfect lip sync with no skipping.

Thanks everybody for the help.

isnt pocket player the same as core player?

fliparsenal said:
isnt pocket player the same as core player?
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No PocketPlayer is the best Audio Player about with far more feature than CorePlayer with regards Audio.
The same in reverse CorePlayer is primaraly for Video and very good @ it.
So pair the 2 together and you have Multimedia covered.

ahh rather stick with the classic tcpmp, it ca do both..tried coreplayer..album art doesnt display it as big as tcpmp can

fliparsenal said:
ahh rather stick with the classic tcpmp, it ca do both..tried coreplayer..album art doesnt display it as big as tcpmp can
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Yes it can do both, TCPMP is just the early release of CorePlayer, to which is why CorePlayer is far more advanced in it's playing capabilities, wouldn't use CorPlayer to play audio or TCPMP as they where mainly designed for Video, where as PocketPlayer has alot of features and is pristine when playing audio.

stylez said:
Yes it can do both, TCPMP is just the early release of CorePlayer, to which is why CorePlayer is far more advanced in it's playing capabilities, wouldn't use CorPlayer to play audio or TCPMP as they where mainly designed for Video, where as PocketPlayer has alot of features and is pristine when playing audio.
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yeah! pocket player is my main music player, not only for local content in my phone, but also has the web guide that you can search web streams by category or genre , does podcast, you can bookmark streams, you can even use your regular bluetooth headset to listen to music, although I wouldn't recomend it, unless you have a stereo bluetooth headset. It even has an equalizer you can adjust to your liking.

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yeah! pocket player is my main music player, not only for local content in my phone, but also has the web guide that you can search web streams by category or genre , does podcast, you can bookmark streams, you can even use your regular bluetooth headset to listen to music, although I wouldn't recomend it, unless you have a stereo bluetooth headset. It even has an equalizer you can adjust to your liking.
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Yeah you sold it better than me
You knowz what my set up is anyway

stylez said:
Yeah you sold it better than me
You knowz what my set up is anyway
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I do
you know you left yourself open for gixxum to comment on that last sentence

roloracer said:
I do
you know you left yourself open for gixxum to comment on that last sentence
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Good job he's to buzy with his cross dressing antics to realize

stylez said:
Good job he's to buzy with his cross dressing antics to realize
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hew I was waiting for him to pop out somewhere to make fun of you, which I'm sure it will happen later.lol

Which is the best audio player for WM - WITH BEST AUDIO QUALITY!!!!

Hi
Im looking for a audio player which has the best audio quality- please suggest something!!
I basically need an audio player which plays mp3 has a lot of functions(EQ, bass boost etc.) and has the best audio quality!!!
I need it because I have a "kicka**" sound system from "Magnat" at home and I want to reach its full potential, of more than 2000 wats from my Touch HD & my phone is being used as a media center in a lot of parties, cuz I have the biggest music libary on my phone!!!!!!

the inbuilt music player in tf3d is good. it has an equaliser but no volume control if you choose to use it, but then you could control the volume which your music system.

the inbuilt music player is ****.
try pocketplayer or mortplayer. these are really professional players.
but dont expect huge differences in sound output, they will be the same. it depends on what you set in the equalizers..

have you tried lcg jukebox .... !!! try it

There is Phantasm Music Player (40iPlay), but it is hard to buy it because of the paranoid policy of its author.

Using 3rd party players you cannot use remote controls on headsets (for example I'm using Nokia BH-503 with my HD). Am I right?

External controls seems fine... so far
m1c4d0 said:
Using 3rd party players you cannot use remote controls on headsets (for example I'm using Nokia BH-503 with my HD). Am I right?
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Not true really, as I use Nitrogen (audio/music player) and it works fine with both my SE MBW-150 and HBH220 Bluetooth adapter. Both needing a little messing with, but allows me to choose next track, pause and play.
I'd would prefer not to use an additional music player, because it always needs messing around with to get fully working with all these random toys, but the inbuilt music player, including WM6.5 media player all suck and no easy to just select a folder and play all at random, which is all I want ever really.
(any suggestions would be nice to know)

m1c4d0 said:
Using 3rd party players you cannot use remote controls on headsets (for example I'm using Nokia BH-503 with my HD). Am I right?
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PocketPlayer works with bluetooth control (A2DP) since version 3.71.
Mortplayer does not support it thanks to new Manila.
Blame HTC, they introduced some fu**ing "tweak" so that only the manila Player has access to the bluetooth control. Pocketplayer can do it because they reverse engineered the problem.

Just loosing your time
Sorry but you are just loosing your time...
I have spent some time trying to find a solution and I am back to my Ipod to drive my Home sound system (Magnat by the way ).
Your problem has nothing to do with the Software you will use but is has to do with the hardware limitations of these little WM device.
The best sound system will always require the best source as poor dynamic range, frequency response or noise level are hidden by poor sound systems but amplified by top quality ones.
Not convinced?
Just have a look, what you will read will confirm what you hear !
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_hd-review-300p6.php
Maybe one day we will have a real all-in-one device. But not today !

m1c4d0 said:
Using 3rd party players you cannot use remote controls on headsets (for example I'm using Nokia BH-503 with my HD). Am I right?
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I also have bh-503 -- it worked with my old ipaq 1940 with all players - so it has to be manila bug, but I havent noticed it!!!
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Sorry but you are just loosing your time...
I have spent some time trying to find a solution and I am back to my Ipod to drive my Home sound system (Magnat by the way ).
Your problem has nothing to do with the Software you will use but is has to do with the hardware limitations of these little WM device.
The best sound system will always require the best source as poor dynamic range, frequency response or noise level are hidden by poor sound systems but amplified by top quality ones.
Not convinced?
Just have a look, what you will read will confirm what you hear !
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_hd-review-300p6.php
Maybe one day we will have a real all-in-one device. But not today !
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Before the HD I had Nokia 5610, with the "dedicated sound chip" , I can hear a big differnece beetween the two-- HD - louder & more bass
so the HD is already an improvement!!!
But still some bad things can be covered with good software and sound system!!!!
BTW-- Magnat - ROCKS!!!! 800W subwoofer & some more speakers with more than 2000 wats of power can bring your whole house down!!!!!

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Hi, the HD doesnt have great sound quality full stop i am afraid, I would say dont worry too much about which player, find one that you find comfortable to use, some are too complex non finger friendly menus for instance. All players have decent Eq's and so you should be able to get the best out of the HD with any player.
hope this helps.

FazZfilmz said:
I'd would prefer not to use an additional music player, because it always needs messing around with to get fully working with all these random toys, but the inbuilt music player, including WM6.5 media player all suck and no easy to just select a folder and play all at random, which is all I want ever really.
(any suggestions would be nice to know)
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You can do this with Core Player if you disable scan card at start up option and select anything from your storage card rather than from a library. Sound quality better than my Ipod IMO. It has a preamp option.

str0nz0 said:
the inbuilt music player is ****.
try pocketplayer or mortplayer. these are really professional players.
but dont expect huge differences in sound output, they will be the same. it depends on what you set in the equalizers..
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mortplayer is ****tttt and very complicated to use and too slow with hd and has issues with uninstalling and pocket player is slow on HD as well stick to media player and htc touch flo included player they do the job and hell yaaaa there will be no difference in the sound output so why a third party and ram issues stick to original with this and if you are looking for a light player easy to use try s2p iplayer it looks good and it works great but i did uninstall it and i do use htc included player better than anything.

Pure and simple
@custardo01 - Thanks! I actually use Core player already, but mainly for video playback only, as I the GUi so unfriendly... it's an ugly package, but I guess it works well. However Nitrogen feels most friendly to me right now and easy to use when cycling on the London roads.
In regards to the sound quality, I actually think the quality of the HTC Touch HD is pretty dam good. I've tried various portable toys from dedicated portable audio players, mobile phone and those nasty Apple products, but so far it's not bad at all.
For sure it not ground breaking and would prefer the audio quality that the Sony Ericsson P and X series have, but with good pairing via earphones with low ohm requirements, it's close to lowless quality.
Of course ALL of this is pointless if you simply are only listening to Radio signals, standard Mp3 or basic AAC files. I do a huge amount of audio work, both musically, soundtrack and folly so mainly use wav and any other random stuff is always 320kbps Mp3's ...until I can get Mp3HD to work etc
AAC is pretty good when pushed to the maximum, but I'm to lazy to change back to AAC files after years or being on Mp3's, OGG and mainly multi-channel DTS & DD via WAV.
Any EQ system on almost ANY software is always a BAD thing!
Hardware EQ'ing is another thing altogether and even then is still a bad thing (usually). If it sounds bad, it always will do and using an EQ to improve it, I guess I'm just that type of person that disagree's with EQ'ing because you loose what it really was meant to be and not what it is anymore.
IMO: Audio & Visual should be played pure, flat and as is it was created.

Better music player... anyone?
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mortplayer is sh... ...htc included player better than anything.
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All probably very true, but when your using WM6.5 and not TF3D anymore, you need a good player once again, because of course the WMP is NOT an option.
I'd recommended Nitrogen any day, but still looking for somethin better, nicer and possibly simplier. I liked the TF3D audio player when I was using the basic ROM and Dutty's amazing ROM's but since I've moved over to WM6.5 not much choice... right?
Is their a way to access the TF3D via WM6.5 without actually having the TF3D today page open too?

FazZfilmz said:
@custardo01 - Thanks! I actually use Core player already, but mainly for video playback only, as I the GUi so unfriendly... it's an ugly package, but I guess it works well. However Nitrogen feels most friendly to me right now and easy to use when cycling on the London roads.
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It is not ugly if you use a skin to cover it up. Search for the DiamondVGA Core Player skin. I have it here if you need it. Forget bluetooth you miss out on so much quality IMO. You will see me on a Black Ridgeback in the London streets with the stock wired headphones in - bald bloke with glasses

I want to ride my bicycle... with my HTC Touch HD blasting TooNz!
custardo01 said:
It is not ugly if you use a skin to cover it up. Search for the DiamondVGA Core Player skin. I have it here if you need it. Forget bluetooth you miss out on so much quality IMO. You will see me on a Black Ridgeback in the London streets with the stock wired headphones in - bald bloke with glasses
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LMAO ...I'm on Ridgeback MX4 (modded) travelling from East London to where ever I need be for post-production editing work etc.
Yeah, I gave up on SE Bluetooth adapter when I got my HTC Touch HD as the quality just wasn't right at all and as you say, wired in is still best. I'm currently using Denon AHC551's earphones until they get worn out and need replacing (soon).
I only really use the adapter for random things and I think the Mrs gets more use out of it now when she's out jogging. She's using my old SE P1 and Bluetooth ADP2 seems to sound so much better through them... strange!?
Would the DiamondVGA skin you are suggesting work OK on a HTC Touch HD?

I use S2P Best audio player IMHO. Combined with HTC Audio Booster or SRS WOW Audio of course.

I have got TF3D player, WMP, coreplayer, S2P, pocket player and nitrogen.
To be honest:
Coreplayer is the worst.
Nitrogen is the best, closest to the ordinary MP3 player, but it is not so user friendly as the playlist is not so good.
Pocket player has a lot of eq. setting, but it does not help much.
One important thing is to reduce the stutter and it can be cured by 1.57 HKG ROM or the patch from Diamond. But Diamond patch may drain your battery in a horrible rate, you should better upgrade your ROM.

FazZfilmz said:
Would the DiamondVGA skin you are suggesting work OK on a HTC Touch HD?
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Yes it does

Good media players?

Is there any good media players out there that can replace wmp or touchflo media player? Mostly looking for a player to play my music files.

Good Music Player..
Hello my friend,
You can try Nitrogen Player, it's only for music but it does the job well, here's the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455750

Search and u will find many
The one that i use is core player
Pocke music is also good

thanks for your share.

pocket tunes is quite good if you want sync with iTunes

I think Kinoma Play is by far the best media player for Windows Mobile: http://kinoma.com/play/
It's fast, fluid, powerful and easy to use.

Anyone have problems with the new version of Kinoma? Whenever I try to download/update apps ("Get Apps"), it always hangs (Duttys 3.1 and 3.6), regardless of GPRS, EDGE or HSDPA. Works fine over WiFi tho!?

On stock ROM 1.56 and after hardreset, I had some serious problems with Pocket Music - when it reached the end of a track and should have skipped to the next one, it would freeze instead and screw up the sound for the whole device. So I looked for alternative, tried Kinoma but the trial wouldn't let me play with the bass/treble settings, which I need. So I ended up with MortPlayer, which seems very nice to me so far, it has an equalizer and a bass boost effect, and it's free.

I've got no problems with Kinoma on Dutty's 3.6 using 3G/EDGE.

Best music player for TP2

So which one do u choose ?
CorePlayer
Nitrogen player
Windows media player
TF3D music player
or others?
Plz post your reasons too

so? 90 views and no answers

i'm using pocket player . it works great
and i'm using it with jabra stereo blutooth headset.

TF3D music player
I've been using the TF3D music player on my tp2 for about a month now and it seems to be doing all that i need from it.
Simple to use and good quality output as well. Can't say much about other music players as I haven't used any recently.

in order to get as much music on my phone as possible i am using aac compressed audio (with SBR). This format provides 128kbit/s-mp3-quality at 48kbit/s (at least to my ears).
The only players that i know supporting this format are WMP and TCPMP. As TCPMP does software decoding the device gets slow during playback. WMP seems to have something like hardware acceleration for aac. therefore i am using WMP (with another skin as the default one is not very finger friendly).

thanks yeah i like the TF3D default myself too Nitrogen is good but i think the volume is a little low compared to TF3D player,i use coreplayer for movies and TF3D for musics,just wanted to know other opinions

while the htc audio manager is nice, NITROGEN is now my player of choice despite minor bugs.

WMP works well for me. Don't like the skin but I have downloaded an HTC-like theme so it is all good.

pocket player too
wide variety of audio format support (4.x supports aac), AVRCP support, plugin to add pitch adjustment

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Mesquire said:
while the htc audio manager is nice, NITROGEN is now my player of choice despite minor bugs.
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How did you get the player to play in power saving mode. with the screen off. Whenever I do this it stops the music, and some times, even unloads my memory card.
This has been my biggest bain and major issue with my tmobile tp2. I have tried Mortplayer and Nitrogen, the best IMHO and have had the same issue. I have tried different searches to enable the device to let the music play while the screen is off and none have worked. I am going to try S2P. My only gripe witht that program is that it does not play all file formats.
Oh well...

Coreplayer.
Has EQ, bass boost and pre-amp options and also is the best video player.

juliangun4ev said:
i'm using pocket player . it works great
and i'm using it with jabra stereo blutooth headset.
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yeah,Pocket Music Player is the thing,it can auto power off and power on,holy ****,which else can be as nice as this one?

+1 for Pocket Player.
My reasons: AVRCP support (a must have feature for me), wide format support (many free players don't support wma, which is a deal breaker for me), equalizer, gapless playback(!), quite finger friendly (some buttons are rather small on the default skin, but it has kinetic scrolling etc.)...
Video support is a bit lacking, but then again I only use it for audio.

I use Pocket Player as well, mostly because it works well for both music and audio books. I am frustrated with whatever method it uses for shuffle, though. I've had 6 different songs play 2-4 times in 4 hours. I have nearly 1000 songs and 66 hours of music! Seems like I should not be getting that kind of repetition.

Pocket Player problems with playing large MP3 files...
One thing guys - and anyone who uses Pocket Player on the TP2 may have seen this... I listen to a lot of voice audio. I prefer to combine the files for audio and can sometimes have long audio files of 300 megs all the way to 1.2 gigs (I use a 16 gig storage card).
The problem i have seen is that sometimes the control that shows where you are in the audio file goes haywire and slides from the correct position all the way to the right - making the bookmarking feature fail and impossible to navigate. Additionally it appears Pocket Player somehow miscalculates the size and length of the audio - but it originally has the size and length correct - this only happens after a certain point (for me it seems after about 240 minutes or so - about 4 hours in).
WHat is so strange is this does NOT happen for all audio files on this device. Some of the large files seem to play fine without problem. Additionally when I compare this to another TP2 that has an installation of the competitor program Pocket Music, this does NOT happen. Also this never happenedon our original HTC Mogul from Sprint.
The problem is we need the AVRCP controls and we all know that Conduits is the only company that has addressed this. It's also pathetic that HTC themselves has continued down this path and refuses to even comment on this issue.
2 questions to this wonderful community of genius people who take it upon themselves to fix what should have been included in the first place:
1. Has anyone seen a hack / mod that will fix the AVRCP controls so that programs like Pocket Music and other players can be used via Bluetooth remote controls?
2. Has anyone seen this specific issue with Pocket Player (which has that beautiful speed plugin that does not alter pitch - love that) and if so - is there a fix or workaround for large files 'breaking' in the middle of playing so that you can no longer save your position or know the correct position of the player in the middle of the MP3 being played?
Thanks in advance to all of you who have any suggestions on either issue.

I'm using Kinoma Play, though mainly for its integration with Orb and video abilities.
For music it supports album art, but only has bass and treble adjustments, not an equalizer.
There is a Kinoma Free you can try.

I am searching for the perfect player and have been testing several of them to see how they work. In addition to some of the normal music player requirements I have 2 pet peeves in particular:
1) The player must support the "Album Artist" tag so that compilations are listed properly in the library.
2) Proper alphabetization - "The Beatles" should be listed under the B's not incorrectly under the T's.
I am testing Pocket Player right now. So far it is the only music player that supports and uses the "Album Artist" tag and it does so by default. It does not support proper alpha. AVRCP works fine out of the box.
The HTC player has the advantage in that it is the only player that can be integrated on the TF3D tabs but does not utilize the "Album Artist" tag nor uses proper alpha. It also has a serious bug that prevents it listing and playing a albums tracks in the correct order. AVRCP of course works well.
WMP supports proper alpha but not the "Album Artist" tag. Strange since MS pioneered the use of the "Album Artist" tag in the desktop version of WMP. AVRCP works fine.
CorePlayer is an evil company. I will never buy or use any SW they make.
Kinoma is next up on my list.
I wish I could find a music player that addresses both of my pet peeves and could be integrated into the TF3D tab replacing the HTC one. That would be the perfect player for me.
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sleonard said:
2) Proper alphabetization - "The Beatles" should be listed under the B's not incorrectly under the T's.
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I understand what you're saying but I would argue that any player that puts that artist name under B is the one doing it incorrectly. If you want The Beatles under the B's then you should rename those tracks to the album artist "Beatles."

For the people that got the TF3D music to work, please share your magic on having it identify your library from a storage card.

moSess said:
How did you get the player to play in power saving mode. with the screen off. Whenever I do this it stops the music, and some times, even unloads my memory card.
This has been my biggest bain and major issue with my tmobile tp2. I have tried Mortplayer and Nitrogen, the best IMHO and have had the same issue. I have tried different searches to enable the device to let the music play while the screen is off and none have worked. I am going to try S2P. My only gripe witht that program is that it does not play all file formats.
Oh well...
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I know this question is like 2 months old but I use Nitrogen and its good enough for me...very finger friendly! And on the main screen there's a button that looks like a Power Button under the volume keys...thats how you put it into "sleep mode" and music will continue playing.

looking for mp3 player

Hey guys,
Im looking for a good mp3 player, I have Nitrogen but I don't like how it doesnt organise my songs by artist or album or by title. I have all my different albums in different folders and if I wanna hear one song from one album and then another from a different album I have to go back and forth between folders... unless Im missing something with the Nitrogen player.
Also was just wondering if there are similar mp3 players that have something similar to iphones coverflo feature, just think that is a cool feature.
Any suggestions would be awesome.
Thanks

u should google for WinamPAQ

hmm looked at the winamp.but it didnt look finger friendly, is there anything else?

i spent a while looking for a good finger friendly mp3 player for my x1, the clear winner for me was "pocket player" by conduits.

thanks widebhoy, i did some more research and came across that one too, im gonna try it out.
thanks again

Yeah, Pocket Player is definitely the best music player for WM. I love it!

htc audio manager.
* finger friendly
* automatically organizes audio library (by album/artist/whatever)
* fast UI, low battery consumption

Hello
Try MortPlayer, supports MP2, MP3, Ogg Vorbis and WAV, ID3- (V1.0-V2.3) and Ogg-Tag-Information, WinAmp- and MediaPlayer-Playlists (M3U, PLS, ASX, read only), A2DP / AVRCP, Configurable Fonts for Playlists... and much much more.
And for Fingerfriendly using you can download one of the many Skins or create your own Skin.
Pocket Player is good but I think MortPlayer offers more capabilities and is more powerful.
Bye

djtiko said:
Hey guys,
Im looking for a good mp3 player, I have Nitrogen but I don't like how it doesnt organise my songs by artist or album or by title. I have all my different albums in different folders and if I wanna hear one song from one album and then another from a different album I have to go back and forth between folders... unless Im missing something with the Nitrogen player.
Also was just wondering if there are similar mp3 players that have something similar to iphones coverflo feature, just think that is a cool feature.
Any suggestions would be awesome.
Thanks
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Have you tried S2P?

I like PocketPlayer... But it does not seem to work smooth on windows mobile 6.5(new UI)... Any solutions?

ElChe said:
I like PocketPlayer... But it does not seem to work smooth on windows mobile 6.5(new UI)... Any solutions?
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In the Conduits forums there is a thread concerning this problem. An admin claims beeing able to provide an early beta of version 4.2 which should fix the issue. He (or she) says if someone is interested one should contact him (or her) by email. The email adress is mentioned in the thread. Maybe it is worth a try?

does anybody have a free version of this pocketplayer?
in their web it only last for 30 days, and then we have to pay

Fr4nkZzZ said:
does anybody have a free version of this pocketplayer?
in their web it only last for 30 days, and then we have to pay
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That is because it's not freeware. But it is definitely worth the monney.

i think naitrogen is best

using mortplayer since i`ve got my x1. i tried all the others,but mortplayer allways finds the way back to my device... for those like me who have thousands of tracks on the card, mortplayer will give you the effectivist playlist

If you're still interested I'd recommend either S2P or iMulator. S2P has more function and design, but iMulator is faster.
You also have Nitrogen v 1.1, although it's a bit outdated.

nitrogen
www.nitrogen.wmskins.com

If you'd ask me I'd vote for mort player =)

i think S2P is best - it integrates well with S2U2, and new pay version is AWESOME, but 0.83 is still quite good and if u want to make it fingerfriendlier- all u have to do is get a different skin ( some got bigger buttons ), only downside its not as smooth as WMplayer but got nicer autoplaylist capabilities - its only one i found that lets me play all my music from Storage Card WITHOUT small game files , ringtones etc, because u can NOMINATE your MUSIC folder- that feature alone worth its weight in gold IMO

i basically have 5 MP3 players on my SEX1 - WMP, Nitrogen, S2P, plus 2 panels - OnTheRoad and MediaXP , and think that for pure feature plus stability value- nothing beats S2U2 + S2P in that combo u get - FullScreen CallerID, LockScreen, NotificationReminders, Messages Previews, AND Very Good INTEGRATED FullScreen Album Pic + Nominated Music Folder MP3/M4A/WAV/+music player plus whole lot of other things i'm prrobably forgetting , so if u r NOT using manilla ( which have most of these inbuild) i personally find thta manilla doesnt run too well on stock xperia, i think S2U2 + S2P is a must , as a matter of fact : its on my reinstall list right after SPB Software every time i hardreset , anyway- these things are different for everyone , because it all depends on what kind of rom and soft u running and what are your requirements, e.g- both mortplaer and pocketmusic bundle kept crashing on my X1, but S2P and Nitrogen - work well
hope this helps, mate