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When can do my post anyone knows how i can close this post after i get my 10 posts that it requires me to put, I Put android and windows 7 on my phone and i have put android and wp7, i am not that new!
There was a 10 post limit put in place to prevent a lot of "noobs" posting questions in the development forums, which is the wrong place.
Once you get 10 posts, you can post in any forum. It won't take long to make 10 posts in other forums. We have an off-topic forum where you might be able to find some threads to reply in. It's a good place to start
Got already my 10 posts but still can´t post where ever i want.
I`m new member too, but I think Is good idea apply that rule.
i should get 10 posts as soon ss possible
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I`m new member too, but I think Is good idea apply that rule.
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I totally disagree. A 10 post limit is really rather lame since the noobs that need spoon feeding will post garbage to get to a 10 count, then unleash the hell that is typical of people who are too lazy to read first and ask questions later (don't even get me started on the Search function)
I also understand the irony that this my first post, and yes, its both to berate the noob community and the forum. My intended first post was to give feedback on the stability of CM7 stable in the Dev forum like the other 51 pages of comments, yet here I am, going through the bull**** hoop jumping to even post.
****ing makes my head hurt. FAIL.
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Thanks for the info
Enviado desde el Motorola Milestone 2
Hello. This is very stupid. 10 post for nobs isnt good idea.
Hi just seeing if I can post here
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Go to your device support area and start helping people. You'll get to over ten posts in no time, and probably learn lots in the process.
reinbeau said:
Go to your device support area and start helping people. You'll get to over ten posts in no time, and probably learn lots in the process.
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This is good advice
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Hello. This is very stupid. 10 post for nobs isnt good idea.
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I agree with you sir its a awful idea
I am unable to post in the dev threads after my 10 posts .. i understand the point of the limit but i merely want to post found bugs ..
Iv also seen people with alot more post who still ask very simple and stupid questions in these threads .. so that kind of defeats the purpouse of the limit ..
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I am unable to post in the dev threads after my 10 posts .. i understand the point of the limit but i merely want to post found bugs ..
Iv also seen people with alot more post who still ask very simple and stupid questions in these threads .. so that kind of defeats the purpouse of the limit ..
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IIRC the forum stats update every hour so it may take a little while after acheiving 10 posts before you can actually post........
Should be soon dont worry
Unfortunately your right, there are members with more than 10 posts who do not seem to be able to differentiate between a development forum and a Q&A forum...
However the 10 post rule has dramatically reduced the clutter in the development sections across the board, trust us on this.
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This is good advice
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I think the idea is to get people to go into the forums of their devices and actually READ SOME THREADS and maybe contribute to the discussion
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Hello. This is very stupid. 10 post for nobs isnt good idea.
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nobs shouldn't be on xda anyways.
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nobs shouldn't be on xda anyways.
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So, you were never new, huh?
New people should read and learn and not post without searching, but no one should be saying they shouldn't be here. We were all new once.
Im Getting My 10 Posts In Now
10 posts ?
tbh
the 10 posts don't seem to deter clutter...
also, just coz you haven't posted 10 times doesn't necessarily mean you can't add value !
That the worst bit of resource management I've ever seen - a 'noob' may have something incredibly valuable to add - even if it's a 'dumb' question - it may provoke a non-noob into a new idea.
I have been on several forums - been on Linux, Ubuntu, Maemo devel ( hey they alrready got GB 2.3.3. running on an N900 ! ), Meego devel, iOS.... all can add value as essentially all based on same platform
..... - just wasting one of my 10 posts here as a noob !....
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I totally disagree. A 10 post limit is really rather lame since the noobs that need spoon feeding will post garbage to get to a 10 count, then unleash the hell that is typical of people who are too lazy to read first and ask questions later (don't even get me started on the Search function)
I also understand the irony that this my first post, and yes, its both to berate the noob community and the forum. My intended first post was to give feedback on the stability of CM7 stable in the Dev forum like the other 51 pages of comments, yet here I am, going through the bull**** hoop jumping to even post.
****ing makes my head hurt. FAIL.
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this!! i've been trying to download some files for a while and cant seem to find any threads to post in
Hi all,
This will probably get deleted, but I'm just trying to contribute to discussion and get around what I consider a poor thought-out rule at the same time.
I am a long time reader, particularly of the [ROM] ICS 4.0.4 BCM RC3.4U0 GSM/CDMA <2012-05-19> (Bravo CM9 HWA) thread, but first time poster.
I consider myself to know more about the topic than a large number of the posters in that thread, though I certainly don't have knowledge on the subject anywhere near that than the experts in the thread. However, there have been many times when I have had the answer to someone's question, but have not been able to post.
The reason I cannot post is because the thread is limited to users who have made 10 or more posts. I can understand the need to filter out people who are asking the same question over and over again, but in doing so you filter out those who can genuinely contribute to the discussion. Just because I am not an active member in other forums of XDA, does not mean I am not able contribute to this thread.
So now, I have what I consider a reasonable question for the author of the thread, or another expert who may come across it. This question hasn't been asked before, and it bothers me that I cannot ask it. Other people may also benefit from me asking and receiving an answer to this question.
I thought about just creating 10 pointless posts in the general forum, but decided that would benefit no one. So here is my contribution to these forums, followed my 9 pointless posts. Kidding, I'll see whether I get responses to this and respond accordingly myself.
Thanks for reading.
Regards,
Shaun
P.S. I have to wait 5 minutes between editing posts as a new user to prevent spam? I've been here 5 months and not once posted anything, let alone spam.
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Hi all,
This will no doubt get deleted, but I'm just trying to contribute to discussion and get around what I consider a poor thought-out rule at the same time.
I am a long time reader, particularly of the [ROM] ICS 4.0.4 BCM RC3.4U0 GSM/CDMA <2012-05-19> (Bravo CM9 HWA) thread, but first time poster.
I consider myself to know more about the topic than a large number of the posters in that thread, though I certainly don't have knowledge on the subject anywhere near that than the experts in the thread. However, there have been many times when I have had the answer to someone's question, but have not been able to post.
The reason I cannot post is because the thread is limited to users who have made 10 or more posts. I can understand the need to filter out people who are asking the same question over and over again, but in doing so you filter out those who can genuinely contribute to the discussion. Just because I am not an active member in other forums of XDA, does not mean I am not able contribute to this thread.
So now, I have what I consider a reasonable question for the author of the thread, or another expert who may come across it. This question hasn't been asked before, and it bothers me that I cannot ask it. Other people may also benefit from me asking and receiving an answer to this question.
I thought about just creating 10 pointless posts in the general forum, but decided that would benefit no one. So here is my contribution to these forums, followed my 9 pointless posts. Kidding, I'll see whether I get responses to this and respond accordingly myself
Thanks for reading.
Regards,
Shaun
P.S. I have to wait 5 minutes between editing posts as a new user to prevent spam? I've been here 5 months and not once posted anything, let alone spam.
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If you know more about that topic, then you could have been sharing it all those months, by just making a few posts in your device's General thread. Or in it's Q&A thread. Or in a thread in the General Forum here. Or in the Off Topic forum. Pity.
Here is excellent advice on how to achieve 10 (and more) QUALITY posts.
Welcome to XDA.
One other thing, Dev threads are for development. If you want to help more people, start a thread like this one in your device Q&A area. You will be amazed at how many people you can help there.
Thanks for your response, the link you gave was interesting and I should have looked for such information prior to posting. Considering I was quite blunt, I appreciate your helpful explanation.
Personally I still feel the rule is limiting many people from contributing from discussion that would otherwise get involved. I know there aren't exactly any other solutions to reduce the number of repeat questions, but my opinion is that more discussion is better than less, provided it is on-topic (even if it may be a "stupid" question).
I'll admit I'm not here explicitly to share my knowledge, I am here to gain knowledge for myself. I think most users here would be the same, although obviously there is a great community here that are not just in it for themselves. But if I see someone struggling with something that I know the answer to, I would be pleased to have the opportunity to give them a hand and give back in that manner, rather than lurk in silence.
I also do not consider myself an expert in any area XDA relates to. However having read the entire thread, referenced in the first post, over the months it has been contributed to, I consider myself able to help out there more than anywhere else on XDA. The Q&A type thread you mentioned is not specific to the knowledge I have gained from following the thread and it seems to more sensible to me to give my knowledge back to people where they will be looking for it.
As an aside, I'm not sure how much I would even consider the thread a development thread. For the most part it is one person developing (combined with his using work from other developers etc). What he does is excellent, no doubt about that, but it is basically him alone developing. The thread itself is mainly substantiated of feedback to improve to ROM or questions on any issues or the like. It is not used for collaboration as such. Any additional discussion would not hinder development collaboration, rather it would allow for more feedback for the developer and more knowledge for users of the ROM.
Thanks again for your reponse mf2112.
To be honest, I'm not sure what I thought I may achieve by posting here, as I'm sure you've seen it all before. So that said, if you wish to finish the discussion here that's fine by me, but if you do have more to add, I'd be happy to hear it.
Thanks.
I'm just like you, struggling to get something more in this forum. Just never give up.
The first few post restrictions are mostly for spam control. Otherwise new accounts would be opened and we would be flooded with spam posts advertising stuff in every forum.
Your device appears to be the HTC Desire from the ROM link. If you want to learn more, check out the other Desire subforums. Knowledge is everywhere on XDA.
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I'm just like you, struggling to get something more in this forum. Just never give up.
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Excellent advice.
im not gonna lie i dont even know what the 10 post rule is?
yeah o course im thinking the obvious but im normally checking stuff before i do any actions anyway?
chisme said:
im not gonna lie i dont even know what the 10 post rule is?
yeah o course im thinking the obvious but im normally checking stuff before i do any actions anyway?
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The 10 post rule is for dev forums. If you have less than 10 then it is supposed to stop you from posting there, however it seems not to be enforced sometimes in some dev threads.
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Similar situation here, but the rule is pretty standard at a lot of forums. Nothing to do about it but try to make 10 productive posts. Here's my first one. I noticed that the introduction threads are in each device forum, so an intro for each device will put me pretty close.
I'm a huge fan of the XDA community, and like the OP, I've been reading different threads for months. Looking forward to learning with you guys and hopefully contributing eventually. My experience in the field is limited, I learned basic web development in the early 2000s and have barely kept those skills up in the last decade.
Rooted EVO 4G - off contract, used mostly by 4 year old
Wife has stock EVO 3D - had S-ON root but got it put back to stock for her
I have an unlocked and rooted Motorola Photon, running CW7
Asus Transformer running stock ICS
Samsung Galaxy 10.1" running stock HC
I'll be getting an EVO View in a few days, will update at that time.
i too am a long time member here in XDA, since i got the XDA II hmmmm or was it the casiopia
anyways i recently became active just this 2012 when i got my hands on the HD2 - what a magnificent phone & there are alot of magnificent devs & chef here in XDA.
just by asking a lot of "meaningful" question i got through the hurdles of flashing & upgrading & even made my own tutorial for the ultra noob's
whatever Rule or Restriction that is in placed now is for the good of the site & it's user after all this is a FREE Forum/ site & at the same time you get to learn from some of the greatest.
now this is something else lol
fastest way to reach 10 post in just a few hours ot minutes
test (thread 1 2)
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1666667
mengfei said:
now this is something else lol
fastest way to reach 10 post in just a few hours ot minutes
test (thread 1 2)
Originally Posted By: anserinae
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1666667
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That's a pretty quick way of finding yourself unable to post anywhere ever again.
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this 10 post rule has infuriated me. All it does is force people to spam so they can voice their concerns about a rom in a thread only allowing 10+ posters
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this 10 post rule has infuriated me. All it does is force people to spam so they can voice their concerns about a rom in a thread only allowing 10+ posters
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Forced to spam???
Forced?
If people feel the need to spam to reach ten posts then I dare say that they have nothing worth contributing to a development forum.
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mf2112 said:
The 10 post rule is for dev forums. If you have less than 10 then it is supposed to stop you from posting there, however it seems not to be enforced sometimes in some dev threads.
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If you happen to have joined XDA prior to 2007 then the 10 post rule doesn't apply... I believe....
jeromejones said:
this 10 post rule has infuriated me. All it does is force people to spam so they can voice their concerns about a rom in a thread only allowing 10+ posters
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Well, let's look at it this way. What happens when you start to look for threads you can contribute to? You start to post and be a contributing member of XDA instead of a leech. No one likes leeches - they suck the life from XDA. So why don't you take that fury that you evidently are feeling and turn that into a force to be reckoned with? Become someone who is known for contributing.
I understand being frustrated by the limit. However, once I decided I wanted to post in the dev forums, it took me less than two days to make 10 good posts. Two days sounds like a lot, but I would take that anyday to keep these forums as clean and awesome as they are.
The moderators already take on a huge responsibility - look at how many threads end up getting locked because someone gets on here and asks the experts to draw up a 20-step program for their own personal use instead of taking a few hours to read and process the large amount of content that is already here. Imagine how much worse this would be is such posts were also mucking up the dev forums.
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Well, let's look at it this way. What happens when you start to look for threads you can contribute to? You start to post and be a contributing member of XDA instead of a leech. No one likes leeches - they suck the life from XDA. So why don't you take that fury that you evidently are feeling and turn that into a force to be reckoned with? Become someone who is known for contributing.
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That is exactly what happened to me when I started here a few months ago. I wanted to post a question in a Sensation dev thread, ran into the limit, and now just a few months later, I am on here for hours every day in my "jobby" helping people in various threads in multiple forums.
It's really easy to get 10 posts in less than an hour. Just answer some questions in q&a and general and yes, if can't easily answer any questions on this entire forum, then you really shouldn't be posting anything. Ever.
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If you happen to have joined XDA prior to 2007 then the 10 post rule doesn't apply... I believe....
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Must be later than that, here is someone's very first post and it is in a dev thread and he joined XDA in Feb 2010.
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Must be later than that, here is someone's very first post and it is in a dev thread and he joined XDA in Feb 2010.
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For a long time I've been a 'silent' reader of the XDA-Forum.
Today I wanted to post a question in the development section of a phone. Therefore I registered a new account for me, but unfortunately I was unable to post the question, as there is a restriction saying you need 10 posts before you were allowed to post in a development section.
As the question is quite important to me, I made up my mind and thought: well, then I've to write 10 posts in different forums, so I'm able to post the original question - does that make sense, I guess not?
Luckily I hit another restriction - as a new user you are only allowed to post every 5 minutes
So the question is, is it really necessary to have these strict posting restrictions (10 posts) on the development section?
You would be amazed by the amount of spammers and random posts we got away by these rules.
Well if you have a question it needs to go in the q/a section for your device. The development section is only for development, this is why the rules are in place to try and prevent stuff being posted in the wrong section
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Once you are past the restrictions, you'll find you can do anything. The reason for these restrictions is because the overarching majority of users who are new here refuse to follow the rules on posting. Therefore, the best way to deal with this is to restrict new users from posting in development areas, as these are the places new users tend to abuse with questions or stupid comments.
Once you're past the restrictions you'll find it's OK
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...I wanted to post a question in the development section of a phone. Therefore I registered a new account for me, but unfortunately I was unable to post the question, as there is a restriction saying you need 10 posts before you were allowed to post in a development section.?
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This is exactly why these restrictions are in place. It is useful when joining a site to learn how it operates first. If you have a question it should go in the Q&A sections, not in Development.
If you post 10 useful and helpful posts then you should be able to move past the restrictions. Pleae don't be tempted to post spam as these posts will be deleted.
All that said, wlcome to XDA!
WB
I understand that these restrictions were put in place to keep spammers and the "of course i used search and googled it" away, but as being a long time silent observer and have tested roms before my first post and didn't feel the need to have someone hold my hand as I flashed away, I felt that I should inform the developers of the bugs I have found or to simply thank them.
But with these restrictions in place it meant I had to spam some threads to get to 10 posts which always kept me away. Well now I decided to get those 10 posts, registered and started (mildly) spamming. Up to three posts now.
What I'm trying to say is that with these restrictions you are also keeping away some people that know what they are doing (when it comes to flashing and testing roms) and don't feel the need to ask questions that have been answered many times before.
Just my two cents.
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What I'm trying to say is that with these restrictions you are also keeping away some people that know what they are doing (when it comes to flashing and testing roms) and don't feel the need to ask questions that have been answered many times before.
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If People know what they're doing then they should be posting with helpful replies instead of spamming. I bet 99% of the questions/comments from People who start these kinds of threads have already been raised on the original thread or is some noob like comment that doesn't need to be posted in the first place.
The fact that you couldn't be bothered to search and find the other 1,000 threads here complaining about the very same thing is proof such restrictions are needed.
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If People know what they're doing then they should be posting with helpful replies instead of spamming. I bet 99% of the questions/comments from People who start these kinds of threads have already been raised on the original thread or is some noob like comment that doesn't need to be posted in the first place.
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What he said.
Anyone "kept away" by these restrictions is probably better off on another site anyway.
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I went through the same exact frustration with the posting rules. When I read about making meaningful posts vs spam/non-helpful for the first 10 all I could think of was... "well, I want to make a meaningful post in regards to a particular rom in the development area, but to do so I have to find other avenues that could be helpful."
I've got no issue with the tight rules to keep spam down, but I imagine I would have above 50 posts right now in development areas but I always shrugged it off and made no reply, which is not helpful to anyone. Now I'm in the process of getting my posts so I can finally contribute.
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I went through the same exact frustration with the posting rules. When I read about making meaningful posts vs spam/non-helpful for the first 10 all I could think of was... "well, I want to make a meaningful post in regards to a particular rom in the development area, but to do so I have to find other avenues that could be helpful."
I've got no issue with the tight rules to keep spam down, but I imagine I would have above 50 posts right now in development areas but I always shrugged it off and made no reply, which is not helpful to anyone. Now I'm in the process of getting my posts so I can finally contribute.
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I am a new member but I have been lurking for a while. I was just lazy to make an account but now that I want to get involved with helping developers clear up bugs I cant because I need at least 10 posts. kinda sucks
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I am a new member but I have been lurking for a while. I was just lazy to make an account but now that I want to get involved with helping developers clear up bugs I cant because I need at least 10 posts. kinda sucks
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If you really need to contact a dev you could always pm him
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If you really need to contact a dev you could always pm him
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This is true. I just need to up my post count to 10 I believe anyway so I will just blabber for now lol
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wendys8 said:
This is true. I just need to up my post count to 10 I believe anyway so I will just blabber for now lol
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I think your missing the point, your posts should be useful posts.
Try helping people in the general and QandA sections and not just writing pointless posts
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I think your missing the point, your posts should be useful posts.
Try helping people in the general and QandA sections and not just writing pointless posts
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I'm not missing the point, I understand what you are saying, I just believe I could be much more helpful in the development thread, and besides that's the reason I signed up. Not to be forced to go help somewhere I'm not interested in. I came to consult with others in a particular section of the forum specifically and i can't until I go somewhere else and post, that's all I'm trying to say. It's not a huge deal just don't think it necessarily helps me in this case. Although I could see some good reasons as to why they do this.
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I'm not missing the point, I understand what you are saying, I just believe I could be much more helpful in the development thread, and besides that's the reason I signed up. Not to be forced to go help somewhere I'm not interested in. I came to consult with others in a particular section of the forum specifically and i can't until I go somewhere else and post, that's all I'm trying to say. It's not a huge deal just don't think it necessarily helps me in this case. Although I could see some good reasons as to why they do this.
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The 10 post rule is there for a cause.To prevent the spamming of dev section.
How can I post in dev section? Simple, you make 10 meaningful posts by helping others as zacthespack already stated.
If you can help others in the development section, then I am pretty sure you can do the same in the General and Q&A section also..And what is it that you want to consult in?
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True, but for myself as a long time reader I have a bug to report on paranoidandroids recent beta. Instead of posting that observation, I find myself trolling forums looking for meaningful things to say to get my 10 posts. Its funny that dd-wrt forums don't have this restriction, and I don't see these spamming issues or silly restrictions. Basically I feel that the community on here is a bit sanctimonious and pompous.
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Well if you have a question it needs to go in the q/a section for your device. The development section is only for development, this is why the rules are in place to try and prevent stuff being posted in the wrong section
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I don't get it. Why would I want to spend my time replying to someone in a Q&A section when they could look up the answer for themselves? That reminds me of students of mine asking a question that's answered in the book in bold text. Are we just enabling noobish people to remain noobs and not think through problems for themselves?
Prawesome said:
The 10 post rule is there for a cause.To prevent the spamming of dev section.
How can I post in dev section? Simple, you make 10 meaningful posts by helping others as zacthespack already stated.
If you can help others in the development section, then I am pretty sure you can do the same in the General and Q&A section also..And what is it that you want to consult in?
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i have a serious problem
Dear Sir
iam changing my phone sim 3times continue.
after that iam restarting my phone.
buy my phone hanged at samsung first screen,
after i am updating firm ware using odin.
but my phone not turn on.that is sucked at android factory reset window.
the error is cant unmount sdcard...etc
my phone model is samsung si9003
plz can you help me about my phone how to turn on as usual.
plz suggest me about upgrading.
or give any solution for me plz
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True, but for myself as a long time reader I have a bug to report on paranoidandroids recent beta. Instead of posting that observation, I find myself trolling forums looking for meaningful things to say to get my 10 posts. Its funny that dd-wrt forums don't have this restriction, and I don't see these spamming issues or silly restrictions. Basically I feel that the community on here is a bit sanctimonious and pompous.
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I don't get it. Why would I want to spend my time replying to someone in a Q&A section when they could look up the answer for themselves? That reminds me of students of mine asking a question that's answered in the book in bold text. Are we just enabling noobish people to remain noobs and not think through problems for themselves?
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dd probably doesn't have close to 5 million users either
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Well, time to close this one as it's just attracting people who want to make ten useless posts. Which will be deleted by the way.....
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Suggestions/Alternatives
*Change 10 post to x number of thanks - Pros : It would take longer for users to gain access to development forums. - Cons : Users will beg for thanks more and possibly spam thanks to help each other gain access.
*Complete a quiz during registration - Pros : Could possibly reduce the number of people allowed in development forums. - Cons : Too hard because different people have different levels of knowledge + couldn't be multiple choice because too easy to get around.
*Let OPs of dev threads delete posts - Pros : Cut down on the useless posts. - Cons : Won't happen because only mods/admins will have ability to delete posts. Devs could show favouritism + take too much of the devs time to delete posts.
*Review posts before they appear in development - Pros : If possible, no crap would appear in dev threads. - Cons : Not possible because of the massive workload on the manpower of the mods.
*Deny access to Off-topic until user has 10 posts - Pros : Stops a lot of people posting there to get to 10 posts. - Cons : Users will be more likely to spam in the device forums instead.
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Alternative to 10 post rule
I'm creating this thread as a place to centralize all alternative ideas to the 10 post rule.
Obviously, a lot of different suggestions have been made over the time and we've been told that the admins won't change the rule unless a better solution can be proven to work.
So if you have any suggestions as to what could be used instead of needing 10 posts to post in development, then post your idea in here.
*If you're not sure why there is a limit to post in development, read the following thread - Postcount limit in developmental fora
*If you want to moan about the rule, don't post it anywhere on this site as we've heard it all before.
*Need to help someone in a development thread? Or give developer a logcat? Private Message them. It exists
*If you have less than 10 posts, don't post here UNLESS you are suggesting a different alternative.
*NOTE* As mods, senior mods and admins may be checking in here, don't use this thread to try and gain your first 10 posts because your comment will most likely be deleted.
While this is a great idea, the thread will be bombarded by those that want to raise their post count The larger issue wouild be with the spam to 10ers. The present method found by most new users.
What about 5 thanks rule? Instead of 10 posts get 5 thanks?
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What about 5 thanks rule? Instead of 10 posts get 5 thanks?
"The past is dead, it was all just a dream" - Magus (Chrono Trigger)
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Only problem w 5 thanks is that not everyone hits the thanks button.
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Only problem w 5 thanks is that not everyone hits the thanks button.
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So it will take some time to get permission to post in development section.In that time,we can hope they will get some perspective of xda-developers.
There is one huge drawback,that they might post some clever/funny things and get a lot of thanks for those posts.
So they can score 1 post and 10 thanks ->get permission to post in development section.:/
TonyStark said:
While this is a great idea, the thread will be bombarded by those that want to raise their post count The larger issue wouild be with the spam to 10ers. The present method found by most new users.
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Most likely but we'll just report and move on
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Only problem w 5 thanks is that not everyone hits the thanks button.
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This is true. I think for a thanks count to work, people would need to be further educated about using the features available around this site. But at that point, would a limit oh development really be needed?
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KidCarter93 said:
Most likely but we'll just report and move on
This is true. I think for a thanks count to work, people would need to be further educated about using the features available around this site. But at that point, would a limit oh development really be needed?
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On the flip side you would have 10 thankers, just the opposite of a 10 posters that posting useless things
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On the flip side you would have 10 thankers, just the opposite of a 10 posters that posting useless things
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I don't think that would happen to be honest. The only time we really see anything like that is when puppy accounts are thanking a main account. But then the accounts get banned anyway because of breaking the rules.
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So it will take some time to get entry to development section.In that time,we can hope they will get some perspective of xda-developers.
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No, they will have access, they simply can not post there until they reach the required min.
I'm not sure why this always tends to be an issue... I have always been one to send people to Q&A anyway. Q&A DOES NOT STAND for Quips and Assumptions
I was thinking something more along the lines of an open book type mini test. Have a Thread / Post with important information about being a forum member, the rules, and basic guidelines. Make it a requirement that they read said Post / Thread before posting in the development section. Then must answer 10 questions. Make the questions random, and revolving. So even if you have two people trying it next to each other, they will be different tests. But make sure the answers to the questions are in the Thread / Post. Also to keep it interesting make them have to use the search function ( which would be rigged to lead them back to the Post / Thread ) to answer at least half of the questions. Anyways just a thought.
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I still don't understand why a new member absolutely needs post in a development thread.
- If there's a bug in a ROM/Kernel/Mod/etc, PM the developer. They're not going to sift through hundreds of pages to find your post.
- If you are a developer, help people in any other section of the site. It should be easy for you, since you are a developer.
- If you have a question, post in Q&A.
- If you want to say thanks, hit the Thanks button in the OP of the developer's thread.
It's really not a huge deal to get 10 posts. I don't know why people are complaining. Introduce yourself, post a screenshot of your homescreen, talk about your favorite device, show off your accessories, post in Offtopic. Do SOMETHING.
Ok folks, just to let you know, I have subscribed to this thread and will be looking with interest at any ideas posted. I will reply to the more serious suggestions and I will delete posts by those wishing to boost their post count
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I believe that we should do away with the ten post rule, since as earlier mentioned it is a piece of cake to reach ten posts.
Instead I propose a few alternatives, working on what has already been suggested:
1. Before allowing posts, ask the member a question about that topic itself, not just to check their overall developer knowledge.
2. Look for the number of helpful threads they have created AND have got positive feedback, not just their posts on other threads
3. Check for the spread of thanks,
i.e. differentiating a person with 100 likes from one funny post from someone with 2 likes or so over several posts.
This way we can judge a person's overall helpfulness to the community and whether they have something useful to contribute
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ramnex said:
I believe that we should do away with the ten post rule, since as earlier mentioned it is a piece of cake to reach ten posts.
Instead I propose a few alternatives, working on what has already been suggested:
1. Before allowing posts, ask the member a question about that topic itself, not just to check their overall developer knowledge.
2. Look for the number of helpful threads they have created AND have got positive feedback, not just their posts on other threads
3. Check for the spread of thanks,
i.e. differentiating a person with 100 likes from one funny post from someone with 2 likes or so over several posts.
This way we can judge a person's overall helpfulness to the community and whether they have something useful to contribute
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Hmm tough this is tough. 1. I came to XDA w/ 0 developer knowledge. Still know very little. However I tend to use Q&A untill I feel comfortable enough to post in Development
2. My first helpful thread didn't come until I was here, well over a year.
Points are good, but as I've shown, many people are different.
neectron said:
There is one huge drawback,that they might post some clever/funny things and get a lot of thanks for those posts.
So they can score 1 post and 10 thanks -> entry to development section.:/
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I don't think this as a drawback...
Because, usually those who do use thanks button are educated enough or members with atleast 30 or more who knows that they are new users who are trying to be funny to get thanks..(this thinking comes if you have thanks count as restrictions for Dev section)
Also , the new user was able to get enough thanks(say ,10 thanks) from very less posts.. that would suggest he is clever enough to get it... so, it would also mean that the user is clever enough how to post in development section? I mean, if you know enough to get thanks from community which has been here all the time..
The drawbacks I see in this method are, 1. People already ask for thanks.. it would get into a point where people may beg for thanks and such threads may also appear as they used to appear in OT before thanks was taken down..
2. Also, puppy account count may rise, even though it will be taken down.. more work for admins thus..
3. I feel the complaints from new users will be more if this is the case.. as no one can't reach 10 thanks that easily... I mean I feel it would be atleast 20 posts for an avg user to get 10 thanks.. so, more whining..
I don't have a better answer as solution though.. but thanks limit could be really better than the 10 post rule IMO.. because this way the one word posters to get to 10 posts will be eliminated.. as well as spammers who try to get 10 posts as well.. all those link posting ban until 10 posts and other rules can be applied on this too.. so I feel this might be more efficient in keeping people from spamming... and inexperienced users will get enough idea and knowledge to post in development section instead of making a fool of themselves and getting flamed by others or something.. well, that's just my thoughts..
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KidCarter93 said:
I don't think that would happen to be honest. The only time we really see anything like that is when puppy accounts are thanking a main account. But then the accounts get banned anyway because of breaking the rules.
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True but there are those that would try to work around it as you said, if there was a way around that then it is very possible that the thank count could work along with the post count that xxlordxx mentioned.
You have to remember, it simply isn't possible for us mods to read each post and approve it before it's allowed in Dev threads. Baring in mind we have 40k users per day and 2-3k new users per day
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You have to remember, it simply isn't possible for us mods to read each post and approve it before it's allowed in Dev threads. Baring in mind we have 40k users per day and 2-3k new users per day
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So very true
KidCarter93 said:
I don't think that would happen to be honest. The only time we really see anything like that is when puppy accounts are thanking a main account. But then the accounts get banned anyway because of breaking the rules.
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Look at this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2107187 and the stupid phone isn't even released yet and it isn't like the OP is thank you free either!
This thread is aimed at teaching new users the way to be able to post in a development thread WITHOUT spamming or posting rubbish and help you get along better in the development threads.
I know that this thread will probably be ignored by most users who this is aimed at, BUT if it helps teach even a few users then this has been worth it.
**As of January 2016, you no longer need to have 10 posts to be able to post in development threads. To be able to create your own thread in the development forums you will need to have 50 posts though.
If you have a thread you'd like to post into the development forum but you don't have enough posts, you can create your thread in the General section for your device and then ask a Moderator of that forum to move it into the Development forum for you.**
First, let's look at why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread ;
*They think it's the cool place to hangout.
*They think their question will be answered quicker.
*They want to say thanks to a developer for the work that they've done.
*They think their question is important and should be posted in development.
Now, let's explain the truth about the 4 points above ;
*Development threads are NOT the cool place to hangout. As this is a development forum there's no need to hangout but if you really feel the need to relax and hangout with other members, then participate in some discussions in the General section of your device.
*Your question will NOT be answered any quicker by posting it in a development thread. If you take a look at every single device forum on XDA, you'll see that the Q&A forum will always have more posts and threads than development forums will.
*While it's nice that you want to thank the developer for their hard work, making a post saying "Thanks" will only fill up the thread with useless posts. To stop this, XDA admins added a Thanks button which you will see at the bottom of every post on this forum (as long as you have made 1 post). If you're using the XDA app, just click on the relevant post and you'll see a few options appear. One of those options is "Thanks".
If you think that clicking the Thanks button is not enough then you could always donate to the developer to help them carry on development.
*While your question may well be important, it still doesn't belong in the development section. You may get flamed if you post your question there as all questions should be posted in the Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting forum. Development is only intended for development.
What's the best way for me to make 50 posts?
*As is mentioned a lot when talking about new users, the best way to make your first 50 posts is to go to your device forum and see if you can help some people in the Q&A forum. This is a great thing to do because it means you can help others learn more from you helping them with their questions. You may also gain some Thanks along the way.
*If you can't answer the questions, either because they're too hard OR others answer them too quickly, you go into your devices General forum and get involved in some discussions about your phone. This is a great thing to do because it can teach you some things which you didn't know about your device + you may be able to share what you've learnt which others may not know about. It also gives you a good introduction to your forum and the people you will see there.
*If you can't contribute towards any of the discussions either then you can also have a look around the following forums and see if you can help people in the forums aswell - General, Questions & Answers, Android General and Android Q&A.
How can I get involved with the development community?
Well, being active is the simple answer.
As you'll notice across XDA, the type of posts allowed in development threads are decided by the developer. Some developers want dev talk only. The won't want any kind of questions or general comments. Most, however, don't really mind what kind of posts go into their thread. Most will allow questions and a small amount of off topic chatter to happen within their thread. This allows a small community to grow - one who uses this certain piece of development and can help out others along the way. Getting involved in such small communities is great because you can learn a lot, help people a lot and even make your way towards those 50 posts needed to create your own thread in the development forums.
Now that you've read through this thread, you will know the best and easiest way to make your first 50 posts. If you see any other members who are not following this guidance, feel free to link them to this thread so that they can learn from it aswell. Now you're good to go!
Good job, I added a link from the new user guide. :good:
This is definitely the thing that was needed.
@KidCarter93,you have done a good job
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Seriosly, the rule annoys me, having 10 posts does not mean you have any idea about developement...
Half of the posts in the dev threads i follow are exactly the kind of posts that are tried to prevent with this rule... The authors of the posts often have 100+ posts but show they do not have any idea...
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You are right.. if the rule wasn't there.. think what might have happened.. it prevents users from creating account and jump to development section.. it lets you understand how the site works when you are gaining 10 posts..
You can always report such posts you mentioned or you can suggest better alternative if you have one in alternative to 10 post rule thread here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2115765
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Good job, I added a link from the new user guide. :good:
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Well done mate !
Just added a link from the New members friendly Q&A thread.
Nice write up you always do a good job with these things.
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Thx for the advice
Being one of the users this thread is aimed at, I say thank you.
Your tone is friendly and not arrogant, the advice seems helpful and reasonable.
And I say this although I'm one of the users who's reason to post is not listed in your first argument about "why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread".
I actually wanted to post, to report on a currently discussed issue, that seemed to be not clear yet and help another user by linking to a thread about Link2SD to help him resolve his issue.
But I understand and accept the rules - that's why I'm off now to the Q&A for the SGA. Maybe I can share my experiences with flashing my device there
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Being one of the users this thread is aimed at, I say thank you.
Your tone is friendly and not arrogant, the advice seems helpful and reasonable.
And I say this although I'm one of the users who's reason to post is not listed in your first argument about "why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread".
I actually wanted to post, to report on a currently discussed issue, that seemed to be not clear yet and help another user by linking to a thread about Link2SD to help him resolve his issue.
But I understand and accept the rules - that's why I'm off now to the Q&A for the SGA. Maybe I can share my experiences with flashing my device there
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I'd just like to say thanks for doing things "properly". When you first posted the above comment, I kept an eye on your posts to see what you were posting. I was actually pleasently surprised to see you were posting the way this thread asks for it to be done.
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I'd just like to say thanks for doing things "properly". When you first posted the above comment, I kept an eye on your posts to see what you were posting. I was actually pleasently surprised to see you were posting the way this thread asks for it to be done.
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Even if I run the risk of posting the occasional "useless" post here, let me say thanks for saying thanks .
Feels good to be appreciated.
This forum is wonderful, just like most of the regulars here.
It's a pity, that for many noobs the substance of the first post is not common sense, but I guess most noobs are also noobs to life itself (unlike me ), and still have to learn the meaning of "If you wish for potatoes, you better grab a hoe!".
But you know how it is, haters gonna hate and noobs will be noobs
What about experienced devs who happen to be new to xda?
Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
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First, let's look at why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread ;
*They think it's the cool place to hangout.
*They think their question will be answered quicker.
*They want to say thanks to a developer for the work that they've done.
*They think their question is important and should be posted in development.
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The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it
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Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it
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Well, you can pm the dev or any active user in that thread to post it in behalf of you. Or just make 10 posts as xda is more than just a single rom and you would surely like to get involved sooner or later
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Well, you can pm the dev or any active user in that thread to post it in behalf of you. Or just make 10 posts as xda is more than just a single rom and you would surely like to get involved sooner or later
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Well, I wouldn't know who was best to hassle with a PM Anyway yeah I'm just bringing my post number up by answering Q&A questions, I suppose helping a few users out is "payment" for being able to use the dev forum
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Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it
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Experienced devs could always write to a moderator and ask for the restriction to be lifted for their account. Surprisingly few do this however, but generally just start helping people and get to 10 pretty quickly.
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thanks for information
going to dhd forum to help other guys......
Notes taken :good:
I already have more than 10 posts, how come I still cant post in development?
MilkEven said:
I already have more than 10 posts, how come I still cant post in development?
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Sometimes it can take up to an hour before your able to post in development because of the system refreshing itself.
If it becomes over an hour since your tenth post, your best option would be to contact a moderator who could then get it sorted for you
Your question shouldn't have been asked in here though.
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hey guys, i got now 10 posts, but still cannot post in developer forum :/
*edit* ... already answered... im stupid
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hey guys, i got now 10 posts, but still cannot post in developer forum :/
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Sometimes it can take up to an hour before your able to post in development because of the system refreshing itself.
If it becomes over an hour since your tenth post, your best option would be to contact a moderator who could then get it sorted for you
Your question shouldn't have been asked in here though.
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Developer frustration
I totally see the point... BUT: As a developer wanting to help by sharing modules/code on a development thread I was thwarted by the ten post rule.
Sure, I can take the time to "help" in other threads so that I can ultimately help in the thread that I originally intended but it makes me wonder how many skilled developers are refraining from helping simply because they don't have the time or inclination to get to the ten post count.
In the spirit of helping people that are having the same problem as I had (that drove me to develop the module I'm planning on posting) I will persevere.