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I was shocked to read this, but it is still up to the carrier to decide whether or not they want to release a windows phone 7 update according to this article.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3982/windows-phone-7-review/26
"Microsoft physically hosts the update, however it is the carrier’s call whether or not to release it to customers Given the ban on UI customizations and the unified hardware support, there should be no technical reason for a carrier to prevent an update from going out. The fact that Microsoft will deliver, with every update, a list of how the carrier’s own validation tests will run should guarantee that any failure to push out said update would be negligence on the carrier’s part. Microsoft went on to say that while it’s possible for a carrier to prevent a Windows Phone update from going out, it doesn’t believe it’s a likely scenario. While Microsoft didn’t say it explicitly, the implication is that Windows Phone won’t have the update issues that have plagued certain Android customers"
The situation is still better than what we get with Android, but the only thing I want my carrier in charge of us my actual wireless service.
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why would carriers deny an update? they are not creating it so they will approve it as long as it doesn't cripples their hardware...
the reason why they don't bother with android or windows mobile is because they need to create that update themselves...re-do the skin etc which costs $$$ so they are ultra slow regarding those OS...
with microsoft doing all the hardwork, carriers need to check whether the update is good for their device or not...
ps - this is why, everyone should buy an unlocked device..
powersquad said:
why would carried deny an update? they are not creating it so they will approve it as long as it doesn't cripples their hardware...
the reason why they don't bother with android or windows mobile is because they need to create that update themselves...re-do the skin etc which costs $$$ so they are ultra slow regarding those OS...
with microsoft doing all the hardwork, carriers need to check whether the update is good for their device or not...
ps - this is why, everyone should buy an unlocked device..
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They would deny it so that to get new features you have to buy a new phone...hmmm not liking this one bit..would sprint do suck a thing?
havox22 said:
They would deny it so that to get new features you have to buy a new phone...hmmm not liking this one bit..would sprint do suck a thing?
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if that happens then microsoft will tell the carriers to get lost...
powersquad said:
if that happens then microsoft will tell the carriers to get lost...
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I hoping the carriers can only stop people from getting it over the air, but not through zune
Quick note - this wasn't a very clear answer in several cases. According to several sources, including Jason Dunn's site, MS will push the OS updates, not the carriers. The carriers will have the option to roll up their updates into the WP updates so there's a common distribution method. Everything I've read recently strongly implies that the carriers will not be in charge of releasing updates. Hope that gives people some hope that we'll get updates in a timely fashion as defined by MS, not the carriers (who have a horrible track record of providing OS updates).
According to Paul Therrott's conversation with MS, Carriers could hold up one and only one update. Not sure why'd they want too, but who knows.....time will tell.
From a recent interview done on Engadget on The Engadget Show, it has been said by Microsoft that they will push updates. Only the user is able to decide whether or not to update.
havox22 said:
I hoping the carriers can only stop people from getting it over the air, but not through zune
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Carriers have no say over updates through zune since it isn't using their network.
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-to-officially-support-homebrew-developments-on-windows-phone-7
Microsoft will soon support homebrew developments on their Windows Phone 7 platform following two days of meetings with developers behind the ChevronWP7 unlocking tool.
Late last year following the release of Windows Phone 7, a team of developers uncovered a bug which allowed those with a device running the operating system to install applications on their device without using Microsoft's application store, dubbed the Marketplace.
It made headlines as technology enthusiasts fought over whether the release of the unlocking tool, ChevronWP7, was a good idea to enable freedom on the platform or if it was a bad idea, encouraging jailbreaking and piracy.
However the team behind the software were soon contacted by Microsoft's Brandon Watson, Director of Developer Experience for Windows Phone 7, who took a keen interest in the matter and encouraged the developers to cease offering the tool while discussions about ChevronWP7's future continued between Microsoft and the developers.
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The details of how this all is going to work has not been finalized. But at least we know it's coming.
Bengal34 said:
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-to-officially-support-homebrew-developments-on-windows-phone-7
The details of how this all is going to work has not been finalized. But at least we know it's coming.
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the january update was coming too. tell me when it comes, otherwise bull****.
pillsburydoughman said:
the january update was coming too. tell me when it comes, otherwise bull****.
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The 'January' update IS coming:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-info.aspx
It's just that the 'when' is unknown. Hell, there is still a week left in January so it could still drop in time. Otherwise it'll probably be sometime in February, maybe just waiting until MWC?
Bengal34 said:
The 'January' update IS coming:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-info.aspx
It's just that the 'when' is unknown. Hell, there is still a week left in January so it could still drop in time. Otherwise it'll probably be sometime in February, maybe just waiting until MWC?
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Definitely very promising indications. It will be the best of both worlds, a secure and sandboxed marketplace plus freedom to install apps normally without restriction.
If they also give us a file system, in addition to the updates planned for this year, we'll have a decent OS on our hands.
pillsburydoughman said:
the january update was coming too. tell me when it comes, otherwise bull****.
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MS never said the update was coming in January.
This is great news
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Desperate times cause for desperate measures. Some interest is better than none, I guess.
I recommend Microsoft to implement an "Advanced" tab in the Zune software to dev-unlock phones for users, but it should come with agreements, warnings and such to prevent regular users from attempting...
Or, they could add a new tier of developer accounts for free, so users like XDA-devs would be able to unlock their phones.
The problem with the current dev accounts is that even if you sign up and pay, you still have to submit a US taxt form, etc. AND you do not get verified until you submit your first app, which is kind of ridiculous (at least that is how it works for DreakSpark accounts).
I really hope Microsoft follows up on whatever promise they gave ChevronWP7 devs...
paperclips said:
MS never said the update was coming in January.
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Yes.... maybe Feb, March or April.... who know????
iwantnokia said:
Yes.... maybe Feb, March or April.... who know????
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Well, MS did said update will be in january.
Jefis said:
Well, MS did said update will be in january.
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I thought they said "early 2011" or "Q1 2011" or somesuch. Don't remember them specifying a month. My bet goes on a post-MWC release.
Bengal34 said:
The 'January' update IS coming:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-info.aspx
It's just that the 'when' is unknown. Hell, there is still a week left in January so it could still drop in time. Otherwise it'll probably be sometime in February, maybe just waiting until MWC?
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According to MS, the update is ready, just trying to get the carrier kinks worked out. I'm guessing 1st week of feb for this update and maybe another small update announced at mwc.
Small update announcement and new handsets at MWC.
Anyone used it?
http://wmpoweruser.com/samsung-omnia-7-mango-flashing-tool-available/
if i understand, this is SIM unlock...
dxdy said:
if i understand, this is SIM unlock...
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This is SIM unlock on the video, they promise to release a proper Mango flashing tool once they get 1000 followers.
http://twitter.com/#!/SamFirmware/status/110454816890818560/photo/1
dont know but dont belive him... hope i was wrong
It's out!
https://twitter.com/#!/SFUnlock
It was already out before they uploaded it their website...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249329
kkw620 said:
It was already out before they uploaded it their website...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249329
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Yeah I've seen that thread. From the comments it's a branded ROM so I'll pass. It's a shame Microsoft is taking so long, I thought they would have made to sure to have it out before Apple announces the iPhone 5.
Peew971 said:
It's a shame Microsoft is taking so long, I thought they would have made to sure to have it out before Apple announces the iPhone 5.
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It's not MS, it's the OEM's. Mango is already RTM aka Released to Manufacturers.
Manufacturers = OEM's = HTC/LG/Samsung/Dell/Nokia/Etc.
drkfngthdragnlrd said:
It's not MS, it's the OEM's. Mango is already RTM aka Released to Manufacturers.
Manufacturers = OEM's = HTC/LG/Samsung/Dell/Nokia/Etc.
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What do you mean it's the OEM's? I'm talking about releasing the update to existing phones, the green light is up to Microsoft isn't it? At least for unlocked/unbranded phones it might be.
Peew971 said:
What do you mean it's the OEM's? I'm talking about releasing the update to existing phones, the green light is up to Microsoft isn't it? At least for unlocked/unbranded phones it might be.
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MS released it to OEM's. MS has officially stated it is now in their hands.
Peew971 said:
What do you mean it's the OEM's? I'm talking about releasing the update to existing phones, the green light is up to Microsoft isn't it? At least for unlocked/unbranded phones it might be.
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Even unlocked/unbranded phones need to have hardware-specific updates from the OEMs completed before Microsoft releases the official update.
Yeah I know that but evidently some updates are ready (Omnia 7 for instance, we also heard the HTC ones might be done). There would be no harm in releasing these, it would at least ensure deployment is gradual.
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Peew971 said:
Yeah I know that but evidently some updates are ready (Omnia 7 for instance, we also heard the HTC ones might be done). There would be no harm in releasing these, it would at least ensure deployment is gradual.
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Here's what happens. MS RTM's Mango. OEM's than test & make their customizations. OEM's submit this back to MS to verify. MS verifies their updates to meet quality of end user experience. MS than signs the update with a security certificate & puts the update on their server. If the OEM changes cause problems/bugs, it's returned to the OEM to be fixed. The end of the story is it's up to the OEM to make their updates/changes/customizations in a timely manor & without major/noticeable problems.
Like I said I know how the system works but surely Microsoft is/would hold back on ready updates to release them all at the same time. As evidence, the Omnia 7 update is ready, would have been nice to have it out straightaway.
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Peew971 said:
Like I said I know how the system works but surely Microsoft is/would hold back on ready updates to release them all at the same time. As evidence, the Omnia 7 update is ready, would have been nice to have it out straightaway.
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I'd doubt they're holding it back. Please give the source of this rumor.
EDIT: The only thing I'm seeing is there's a firmware update for the Omnia 7 to make it "Mango Ready" & fix some bugs. Considering this & all the issues Samsung WP7 devices have had with their Firmware, I highly doubt they have Mango ready & if they do, it'll probably fail the quality control check. Isn't there still Focus v1.3(?) users who still don't have NoDo?
drkfngthdragnlrd said:
Isn't there still Focus v1.3(?) users who still don't have NoDo?
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All Focus users are (finally) able to receive NoDo. However, Focus 1.3 users still have not received the 7392 security update, despite it being available to every other WP7 device for four months.
Regarding the Omnia 7 rumor, if the update were officially ready, it would appear on the "Where is my phone update page". There is a separate section for "open market phones". Since nothing appears there (in fact, there is no Mango column at all yet), I think it is safe to assume that the update isn't ready.
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All Focus users are (finally) able to receive NoDo. However, Focus 1.3 users still have not received the 7392 security update, despite it being available to every other WP7 device for four months.
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Ah, okay, thanks for the clarification. I knew I heard something about them not receiving an update.
Looks like I was right regarding Microsoft holding back the Mango update, that seems so obvious to me as we know the HTC updates are ready, they were leaked. The Samsung ones are probably ready too. Now this info comes out from Vodafone Australia, they're done testing the update and are waiting on Microsoft to deliver it:
http://www.wpcentral.com/vodafone-austrailia-finishes-mango-testing-awaiting-green-light?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wmexperts+%28wpcentral%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
drkfngthdragnlrd said:
Here's what happens. MS RTM's Mango. OEM's than test & make their customizations. OEM's submit this back to MS to verify. MS verifies their updates to meet quality of end user experience. MS than signs the update with a security certificate & puts the update on their server. If the OEM changes cause problems/bugs, it's returned to the OEM to be fixed. The end of the story is it's up to the OEM to make their updates/changes/customizations in a timely manor & without major/noticeable problems.
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HTC already said their Mango ROMs are ready to go. So his question was valid. Why aren't the unlocked/unbranded HTC phones getting Mango, yet?
Peew971 said:
Looks like I was right regarding Microsoft holding back the Mango update, that seems so obvious to me as we know the HTC updates are ready, they were leaked. The Samsung ones are probably ready too. Now this info comes out from Vodafone Australia, they're done testing the update and are waiting on Microsoft to deliver it:
http://www.wpcentral.com/vodafone-austrailia-finishes-mango-testing-awaiting-green-light?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wmexperts+%28wpcentral%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
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That is what I've been saying as well. I believe they have been waiting until everyone is ready (or at least the big players) before announcing the update, in order to avoid the bad press that the NoDo fiasco brought.
HTC and Samsung are both ready (the combination of leaked ROMs and Mango updates to their marketplace apps supports this idea). Now we know that Vodafone is ready, and it wouldn't surprise me if (gasp!) AT&T is also ready, after reading their press release from Monday. So the question is, what about the rest of the carriers and current handset makers? And is there any reason they would hold back until Nokia announces their new offerings?
Love hearing PA is back. I also value the monthly Google security updates for Nexus devices. Obviously PA is not going to release monthly builds, SO the question is has there been any consideration on how to apply the monthly updates to a Nexus device running PA going forward. Otherwise we'll likely be in a holding pattern for the next PA release that will always behind in baking in the security updates. I'd like to open a discussion on how PA users of Nexus devices (majority of supported devices?) will be able to apply monthly Google updates relatively quickly (or not). Thanks.
You can't apply the security updates unless they're compiled in the ROM. We aren't committing to any kind of schedule but we will try to update it obviously.
Actually that is a good point)the monthly updates), in my opinion.
I am very interested in them. I went back to official Nexus 5 rom to have access to these updates.
The whole Stagefright story made people aware and more conscious of the vulnerabilities Android.
I believe that the first custom ROM able to include in some way these updates, will have a big rise on the user base.
People that use custom rom are not the average user that just buys and forgets the smartphone. They are people that have a different perception about smartphone tech, and so are worried about performance, usability and security.
This being said, I think it was a great idea for the user "v12xke" to ask about it, and a great opportunity for PA to get ahead of others on this new start.
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As we know original Huawei Watch is nearly 2 year old so that raises a big question: will there be anymore updates after initial AW 2.0 update? I hope there will be (at least some minor fixes & security updates) or does Huawei focus on their HW2 support from now on? I understand that there probably won't be big future updates anymore for HW1 (like AW 2.5 or AW 3.0). What do you guys think what the future holds for original HW?
Carmanen said:
As we know original Huawei Watch is nearly 2 year old so that raises a big question: will there be anymore updates after initial AW 2.0 update? I hope there will be (at least some minor fixes & security updates) or does Huawei focus on their HW2 support from now on? I understand that there probably won't be big future updates anymore for HW1 (like AW 2.5 or AW 3.0). What do you guys think what the future holds for original HW?
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I'm expecting the worse, to be honest. Unfortunately it's a trend every manufacturer follows, after merely 2 years of being launched they say like the soup nazi on Seinfield:"No more updates for you!"
This was posted by an official Huawei XDA account:
We noted this issue with our development team to see if maybe a future update can help resolve the issue. Should any of you have additional issues or inquires, please don't hesitate to contact Huawei UK Customer Care directly via the email, chat, or hotline options found at our Huawei UK Consumer website: http://consumer.huawei.com/uk/support/index.htm
This is is not to discourage you from discussing it further here; it is merely to say that Huawei pays attention to these types of posts to see what we can do to improve user experience.
So yes, probably.
Source: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72426144&postcount=8
Watch's update are a bit different than phone's update, manufactures cant do any change to their watch's firmware ,and updates will provide by google itself!
Google is more supportive of their devices so we should get updates more than we expect
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Huawei has just two watches to update almost with similar hardware, so it shouldn't be difficult to support them both, since even now the original watch is still on production lines.
hagba said:
Huawei has just two watches to update almost with similar hardware, so it shouldn't be difficult to support them both, since even now the original watch is still on production lines.
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They have at least 3. The Huawei Watch 2 has two different versions, with different hardware.