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Will there be one set up? It is an HTC device.
Question has been asked, answer is no for now. If there's enough buzz in the General forum about the Treo Pro the moderators/administrators may change their minds, but they're aware of the desire and they've made a decision. Talk about it in the General forum.
Black93300ZX said:
Question has been asked, answer is no for now. If there's enough buzz in the General forum about the Treo Pro the moderators/administrators may change their minds, but they're aware of the desire and they've made a decision. Talk about it in the General forum.
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I'm all for rules and clear cut policies, so we all know where I stand. The ONLY criteria given consistently, for years, for creating device-specific forums on XDA-dev, was that they had to be made by HTC. Fair enough, everyone understood that. That's one reason xda-dev, and its mods, have always been respected as a sensible forum.
Now we have the Treo Pro, we are told that being made by HTC device doesn't count, and its the number of posts and "buzz" that matters (to a threshold which is conveniently not defined). Yet a single General/Palm Treo 850 thread has almost as many posts as the whole G1 section. The X1 has a forum under "Other HTC manufactured phones". Come to think of it, shouldn't the Treo 750 and G1 be in that section too?
Where's the transparency and clarity gone?
I have re-raised this issue with the mods and admin. It does seem that the Treo Pro is gathering quiet a following now...
Regards
Dave
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I'm all for rules and clear cut policies, so we all know where I stand. The ONLY criteria given consistently, for years, for creating device-specific forums on XDA-dev, was that they had to be made by HTC. Fair enough, everyone understood that. That's one reason xda-dev, and its mods, have always been respected as a sensible forum.
Now we have the Treo Pro, we are told that being made by HTC device doesn't count, and its the number of posts and "buzz" that matters (to a threshold which is conveniently not defined). Yet a single General/Palm Treo 850 thread has almost as many posts as the whole G1 section. The X1 has a forum under "Other HTC manufactured phones". Come to think of it, shouldn't the Treo 750 and G1 be in that section too?
Where's the transparency and clarity gone?
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Okay, don't get all bent out of shape. First of all Black 93 300ZX is not an administrator or representative of any steering committee of XDA-Developers.
Here's how I would recommend you follow through on this. Find definitive proof that its is made by HTC, then send the request to the Site's Administrator.
At that point you will probably get a forum.
EDIT: Here have a leg up courtesy of me. http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/7868/treo-pro-manufactured-by-htc/
Thank you Dave and Jimmy, good to know someone is listening. Several people have already provided this evidence and PM'd the mods and the only response seen so far has been "no".
For others who are interested, the main Treo Pro discussion thread is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419354
and the Wiki is here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=PalmTreoPro
All contributions welcome.
Ineedtoys said:
Thank you Dave and Jimmy, good to know someone is listening. Several people have already provided this evidence and PM'd the mods and the only response seen so far has been "no".
For others who are interested, the main Treo Pro discussion thread is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419354
and the Wiki is here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=PalmTreoPro
All contributions welcome.
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What is the reason given for the not having a Treo Pro thread? Seems to me that alot of people want it. It's made by HTC. It's not hard to open a thread. What gives?
I hope this isn't a case of phone envy
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What is the reason given for the not having a Treo Pro thread? Seems to me that alot of people want it. It's made by HTC. It's not hard to open a thread. What gives?
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No reason has been given. That's because no representative of xda-devs has said "no".
It is under consideration at the moment, forums don't just spring out the ground you know.
I'll update you when I know more...
Dave
DaveShaw said:
No reason has been given. That's because no representative of xda-devs has said "no".
It is under consideration at the moment, forums don't just spring out the ground you know.
I'll update you when I know more...
Dave
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Actually I think Flar said "no" but whatever.
Who is Hyins? and why did they move the Palm Treo Wiki to "Skywriter"?!?! Skywriter was the code name for the CDMA version.
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Actually I think Flar said "no" but whatever.
Who is Hyins? and why did they move the Palm Treo Wiki to "Skywriter"?!?! Skywriter was the code name for the CDMA version.
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No idea, Drop Hyins a PM and ask. It is a wiki, so anyone can edit it
I couldn't find any post by Flar with regards to the Treo Pro Forum (unless you go back to the old treos) nor could anyone else It must have been lost somewhere.
As I said before, it is been considered and an update will be given when available.
Ta
Dave
DaveShaw said:
No idea, Drop Hyins a PM and ask. It is a wiki, so anyone can edit it
I couldn't find any post by Flar with regards to the Treo Pro Forum (unless you go back to the old treos) nor could anyone else It must have been lost somewhere.
As I said before, it is been considered and an update will be given when available.
Ta
Dave
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Yeah. It was via PM but no worries. Glad to see it progress.
Treo Pro Forum
I agree the Treo Pro should have it own Forum.
I find myself visiting XDA Dev a lot less because it is hard to follow the postings as everyone is lumping multiple topics in to a single thread.
Anyway, Thanks for the consideration.
-D
I get this device today ... its fantastic ... and i think unique!
DaveShaw said:
No reason has been given. That's because no representative of xda-devs has said "no".
It is under consideration at the moment, forums don't just spring out the ground you know.
I'll update you when I know more...
Dave
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Thanks for looking into it.
I have an 800w, but I'd like to see a Treo Pro forum here, too. Might be able to pick up a few tips, etc. for myself.
DaveShaw said:
No idea, Drop Hyins a PM and ask. It is a wiki, so anyone can edit it
I couldn't find any post by Flar with regards to the Treo Pro Forum (unless you go back to the old treos) nor could anyone else It must have been lost somewhere.
As I said before, it is been considered and an update will be given when available.
Ta
Dave
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Dave, just to let you know that I got a PM by Flar a while ago too, saying the only way was to raise enough buzz...
Thanks for your efforts...
Here's the definitive proof of the HTC-origins. I've found the bootloader mode for the Treo Pro, and we can deduct the real codename Panther from it (as 750=Cheetah). I've updated the Wiki accordingly.
Enter Treo Pro bootloader mode
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Here's the definitive proof of the HTC-origins. I've found the bootloader mode for the Treo Pro, and we can deduct the real codename Panther from it (as 750=Cheetah). I've updated the Wiki accordingly.
Enter Treo Pro bootloader mode
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Hi,
I have removed the PalmTreoPro wiki page and replaced it with a re-direct to the new HTC_Panther page you created. Now there is only one list of info to update.
Ta
Dave
Buzz Buzz Buzz - another vote for Treo Pro Forum
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Dave, just to let you know that I got a PM by Flar a while ago too, saying the only way was to raise enough buzz...
Thanks for your efforts...
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Buzz Buzz Buzz
This bee is getting a Treo Pro, and I would definitely like to see a forum for it here.
Since I didn't technically vote for it, I'll do it now.
It's cleary an HTC device and has already benefitted from the developers on this site. If the 750 is on here, no reason the Pro shouldn't be.
When this happend in the hero section about the eclair update the active mod deleted all these stupid rumor threads about the update and made one sticky at the top of the page where everyone could discuss the latest rumours without it affecting day to day forum busness, he also made it clear that any other threads about the update would be deleted!! can we not do this here too? do we even have a mod? every other thread seems to be about it we are along way from a froyo update i think, not only do htc have to get sence workin on a whole new os, there gunna want to make a new radio, hboot and recovery just like every other update, that means were months away from the update not days like some ppl think, can we please sort this out befor the desire forum gets ruined with spam
Congratulations on starting another one.
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Congratulations on starting another one.
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this thread has nothing to do with froyo, its trying to get mods to clean up the desire section
i'm inclined to agree with this sentiment, we should have a discussion thread and then once its finally released we can have as many as we want
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Congratulations on starting another one.
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I have to agree with this. You have just opened a pointless thread to have a rant. The fact froyo is in the title, people will now use it to discuss why it's not out, and when they will have it, and whether or not it will make their washing machine spin faster.
If you feel so strongly about the threads, then use the report a post button and bring them to the mods attention.
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I have to agree with this. You have just opened a pointless thread to have a rant. The fact froyo is in the title, people will now use it to discuss why it's not out, and when they will have it, and whether or not it will make their washing machine spin faster.
If you feel so strongly about the threads, then use the report a post button and bring them to the mods attention.
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its not a rant its an idea, and its 10 times more productive than urs and that other blokes post, fyi you cant report a post unless its spam or breaking the rules
I'm fairly sure that the rules state you should read and search before posting, all the pointless froyo threads would fall into that category.
Report away
that rule would count for half the posts on the website tho lol plus the search sucks on xda, ive spent hours searching for a thread that i knew existed lol
This is a good idea. It works well on other forums - Ubuntu forums, for instance, have a 'recurring discussions' section for each forum where similar threads are bunched together (usually *****ing about Mono, or comparing Ubuntu to OSX/Windows).
What we really need is a "Rumours" subforum, for all the b/s Froyo/Update threads!
That way, they can still be posted, but I can safely ignore them!
Regards,
Dave
Some such solution would be very welcome. Currently, it is quite pathetic.
As for the search before posting... every second/third day I'm seeing the same issues with new threads here. This is the worst I've seen on any well established forum since 1999 back in the Icrontic days. On the last such occurrence, the OP says he's searched and read countless threads while two threads below covers the same issue perfectly. This is just inane.
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How stupid. If people want to start a thread, than its upto them. Post away all froyo froyo..... froyo
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
I totally agree about deleting all the pointless threads.
Some of them are from stupid newbies who are too lazy to even look 2 threads down let alone do an actual search!
Froyo threads should be deleted and anyone starting one until HTC makes an announcement should get a week ban.
There is already a FROYO discussion thread which is fine to discuss the OS / features etc, but not constant posts by idiots asking for release dates and what not.
I agree... i think we should stop all this speculation regarding the official OTA update of Froyo on the Desire. It has recently been confirmed that the update will be around Q3 of this year, and i think it's pointless for people to continue to post threads about it. We just have to be a little more patient and hope it will arrive in time.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
I would more than welcome a stronger hand by the moderators. Failing that, a chit-chat/rumors section, but I think if people are so dumb to post this stuff 10x times, they are bound as well to post it in the wrong section (see the degree of spamming of the development section).
And NO - this thread is very useful and relevant, I would have started myself
Sorry, just tripped over this thread. Is Froyo out yet? I heard it was due to be released on the 29th Feb next year.
*runs and hides!*
Hi sort of agree, however this is the 'General' desire forum - where anything can be discussed! But yes a rumour or one thread for rumours update at the top may help.
However where do you draw the line??? look how many other threads repeat the same things!
I dont think its so bad in general section - I sort of expect it here - plus freedom of speach and no forum gestapo is nice
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Sorry, just tripped over this thread. Is Froyo out yet? I heard it was due to be released on the 29th Feb next year.
*runs and hides!*
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The lastes new from htc is that the froyo rollout will start sometime during, the 3rd quater of this year
Moderation on this forum is poor - there are so many repetative threads that its becomming full of the same old thing day after day. Many are not adhering to the rules of the forum - search first and if you dont find your answer then ask! Carrying out searchs on this forum now means that information is spread across so many discussion threads that it becomes non effective; maybe a reason why new threads are now starting up each day asking the same question?
In order to ensure this forum is useful, comprehensive and easy to search, surely its not too much to ask?
Just a thought - i dont think i have ever seen a mod edit, apart from moving of a thread - not like the HD2 forum!
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Moderation on this forum is poor - there are so many repetative threads that its becomming full of the same old thing day after day. Many are not adhering to the rules of the forum - search first and if you dont find your answer then ask! Carrying out searchs on this forum now means that information is spread across so many discussion threads that it becomes non effective; maybe a reason why new threads are now starting up each day asking the same question?
In order to ensure this forum is useful, comprehensive and easy to search, surely its not too much to ask?
Just a thought - i dont think i have ever seen a mod edit, apart from moving of a thread - not like the HD2 forum!
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when i used to have a htc hd, the forum had two mods and they was always about, and they used to comment on threads and keep the forum clean ect, i dont think xda give a **** about the android forums
I went to Android with the sweetest phone on the market (Samsung Galaxy S) and never looked back. However I still have my Tilt and Tilt2 and I thought I might try and install Froyo or something tastly on my old phones...
THESE FORUMS ARE A MESS!
So here I am, and by the look of it there is nothing going on but people flooding the forum with cries for help and people waving the white flag. I assume the big boi dev's moved on to better devices as I did or they got tired of you clowns flooding this forum. ANYONE PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS. IF THERE IS ANYTHING GOING ON MAYBE WE SHOULD STICKY IT OR MOVE ALL THESE QUESTION THREADS, THIS ONE INCLUDED TO A SUBTHREAD.
If they have it working on my Tilt half way decent I cant belive the Tilt2 is getting ditched.
What are you talking about dude? There's a sticky thread already. There's just too many people who can't read FAQ's and are asking the same questions again and again. As this project gets more popularity, more people flood the forums.
how do you have almost as many posts as I, and not even know about the biggest project on rhodium?
do you even read anything in these forums?
and as far as i know, we have the best devs right here on site giving constant top tier advice, updates, software, hacks and mods.
what white flags do you see, besides "iphone" users who try their hand at a real device.
stick to ur samsung, this is HTC.
kroniced said:
I when to Android with sweetest phone on the market (Samsung Galaxy S) and never looked back. However I still have my Tilt and Tilt2 and I thought I might try and install Froyo or something tastly on my old phones...
So here I am, and by the look of it there is nothing going on but people flooding the forum with cries for help and people waving the white flag. I assume the big boi dev's moved on to better devices as I did or they got tired of you clowns flooding this forum. ANYONE PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS. IF THERE IS ANYTHING GOING ON MAYBE WE SHOULD STICKY IT OR MOVE ALL THESE QUESTION THREADS, THIS ONE INCLUDED TO A SUBTHREAD.
If they have it working on my Tilt half way decent I cant belive the Tilt2 is getting ditched.
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You're dumber than the noobs on here, at least they had the sense to check STICKY at the TOP of the page. And I'm gonna tell you what all the noobs get told...SEARCH!!!
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So, you open a new thread to ask a question which was answered in the very first thread on the forum, that was also stickied. Then you begin to use vulgarities to debase other forum members? I'm glad you use another phone, and don't come to this forum anymore.
Not to pile on but that first stickied thread has over 9,000 posts and 1,000,000 views. Even a noob like me knew to go there first.
*giggle*
Thread cleaned.
Please familiarise yourself with the forum rules regarding flaming, language and respect for other members.
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Thread cleaned.
Please familiarise yourself with the forum rules regarding flaming, language and respect for other members.
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Thanks Senior Mod.
Wondered whom the person was calling clowns. Unless we have an apology, the person should be suspended.
Re: Forum Suggestion /"State of the Site"
i tried posting in where i felt was the appropreate thread linked to in the "state of the site" but it has already been closed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10673299
anyway i completely agree with many of the administrative decisions discussed there. i just have some suggestions to help those work, coming from my experience as a new member my first few days. (few weeks ago)
first of all how did i come here? google searches for questions i had about my captivate. after finding info on XDA few times through google, i realized this is a place i may want to check out more, but it took some looking around just to understand the BASIC POINT of what XDA was all about. Something that would really help people understand "THIS IS THE PLACE!" could use a short, straight to the point "sub-title" at the top of your webpage beside your xdadevelopers logo. something that reads like:
"the home for smartphone development, troubleshooting and ideas.."
the second small issue i want to bring up is new users not being able to post in development forums. WAIT!! I AGREE WITH THIS. BUT, when i was new here i was seeing not able to post in a dev forum talking about something i needed info on, and i was seeing other minor members in other threads getting "chewed out" for posting in a "developers" forum.
HERE WAS MY CONFUSION: www.xda-DEVELOPERS.com it appears to a noob straight off the google express that the whole site is developers...
i started looking for www.xda.com forums.xda.com ect....
it took a bit of searching around the site before i realized the "Developers" section that i couldnt post in was the SUB-forum of the Captivate sub-forum.
it was just a bit confusing until i saw the layout of the site for all the different phones and the sub catagories each had.
i hope these suggestions can bring forth some ideas that can help the integration of new members.
Thanks for your opinion
Yah, I really like your idea. We're going to consider it.
what ever happened to these suggestions?
dude i flet the same when i first got here! great recommendation!
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HERE WAS MY CONFUSION: www.xda-DEVELOPERS.com it appears to a noob straight off the google express that the whole site is developers...
i started looking for www.xda.com forums.xda.com ect....
it took a bit of searching around the site before i realized the "Developers" section that i couldnt post in was the SUB-forum of the Captivate sub-forum.
it was just a bit confusing until i saw the layout of the site for all the different phones and the sub catagories each had...
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Hi there,
I'm a noob and this is my first post so please don't rip in to me for this or for the fact that I am resurrecting an old post
I thought that it would be better to quote a post that reflected my feelings and possibly (hopefully) answer my questions.
I have an HTC Inspire that I imported into Australia from gsmnation.com as I liked the feature set of the phone and it was compatible with my carrier over here unlike the Desire HD that is available locally but not compatible with my carrier.
I have lurked around these forums as an unregistered user since having my phone and used the great advice shown to root it and put Android Revolution 4G 4.0 by mike1986 on it.
Have been very happy with it but now I want more.
In particular I would like to put Gingerbread onto it with Sense 3.5.
I had been following a thread about RCMix3d Runny v4.0.
I took the plunge and registered at XDA but now I can't even view the thread without getting the vBulletin message saying that members without a post count of 10 or less cannot post in developers threads.
Fair enough I say but surely we can at least view the threads.
I can view various other threads but i cant even find the one mentioned above.
Can someone tell me if the thread has been deleted (all 1264 pages according to Google cache search - I was up to page 127!).
Have tried searching using XDA's custom Google search feature but can't find the thread anywhere.
Any advice about whether the thread still exists or if I am doing something wrong that is not even letting me view the thread.
Pooley72 said:
Hi there,
I'm a noob and this is my first post so please don't rip in to me for this or for the fact that I am resurrecting an old post
I thought that it would be better to quote a post that reflected my feelings and possibly (hopefully) answer my questions.
I have an HTC Inspire that I imported into Australia from gsmnation.com as I liked the feature set of the phone and it was compatible with my carrier over here unlike the Desire HD that is available locally but not compatible with my carrier.
I have lurked around these forums as an unregistered user since having my phone and used the great advice shown to root it and put Android Revolution 4G 4.0 by mike1986 on it.
Have been very happy with it but now I want more.
In particular I would like to put Gingerbread onto it with Sense 3.5.
I had been following a thread about RCMix3d Runny v4.0.
I took the plunge and registered at XDA but now I can't even view the thread without getting the vBulletin message saying that members without a post count of 10 or less cannot post in developers threads.
Fair enough I say but surely we can at least view the threads.
I can view various other threads but i cant even find the one mentioned above.
Can someone tell me if the thread has been deleted (all 1264 pages according to Google cache search - I was up to page 127!).
Have tried searching using XDA's custom Google search feature but can't find the thread anywhere.
Any advice about whether the thread still exists or if I am doing something wrong that is not even letting me view the thread.
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That thread was removed at the op's request which is why you aren't able to view it.
Sent from my HD2. Still kicking the arse out of all your phones...
Ah Ok.
Thanks for the quick response...Very impressive.
Is there an alternative for this ROM or another sticky for that one around the place or has it been obliterated from XDA?
I have downloaded the ROM to my PC but if there is no longer any support for it on these boards then my quest for a nice GB ROM will have to continue.
I wonder how receptive capychimp is to noobs? I am in awe of the guy
Hi,
Noob here!
I read your "[New Members][Guide/Tour] Get the most out of XDA!!" and I thought it was great.
Being a noob, I couldnt press the thank you button, so I just thought I'd say thank you for taking the time and the effort to write the guide.
Thanks again!
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a noobie here ..
did read your "[New Members][Guide/Tour] Get the most out of XDA!!" and thought it was simply great. could not thank you there due to a limit on thanking being 8. So thought should try and reply here make my first post and thank you or helping me with the same..
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Way to go bumping a 2yr old thread with your first post man..
Okay, the time has come where I must ask.
The Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G came out in September of 2012. Since then it has quickly become the most requested phone of all time in the new forum request thread, gained an 80+ page thread in the G2 forum filled with information on how to unlock and hack the phone, and through the hard work of members trying to co-ordinate their efforts without an official way to communicate, gained an unlock method, a hacked recovery, and a functional CM9 ROM. Despite this, it still has no forum of its own. In fact, the threads that been instrumental in the work that's happened so far have recently been locked, making further developments much more difficult.
So I ask you, what on earth is the holdup?
I came to the Relay 4G from the Sidekick 4G. That was a phone that had great hardware, but due to a lack of support from Samsung, and a lack of development here, never got past the Froyo ROM it launched with. Now we've got a phone that looks like a worthwhile replacement for it, and people working on it, but they can't share their work here or connect with other people who could help. It feels like I'm being let down for the second time. First by Samsung, now by XDA. I'm afraid of this continues, development for it is going to trail off sharply as well once the phone loses it's newness. And I'd hate to be stuck with another phone with terrible software support. After all, I'm not the sort of person who can afford to casually buy a new smartphone every few months. And given how popular that thread was, I think we can safely say there are a lot more people who are eager to see this phone succeed.
I hope someone who knows what's going on can comment on this. I've worked on the board of a non-profit, so I know all too well what happens when a small number of people in control don't communicate with the larger membership. You've got a large group of people who are feeling let down, or outright angry right now. They're in the dark and upset and distrustful. And in the absence of reliable information, people are very good at spotting patterns, be they real or imagined, and turning them into very strongly held opinions. Speculation runs rampant. Then it doesn't take much to go from "Something happened" to "There's a conspiracy." And it can take years to get past the perception that something malicious went on. I urge you guys to communicate now and nip this one in the bud, before it blossoms into an ugly mess.
Any development which has been done for the Relay 4G can be posted in the Miscellaneous Android Development forum.
As you can notice just from looking down the first pages of that forum, those devices which don't have their own specific forum can have development projects posted there instead.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
We get that there is a misc development forum. There are already development threads there for the Relay. Our issue is that we had a discussion thread in the G2 forum for so long, with well over 800 posts, as well as threads in various other QWERTY phone forums. Nobody seemed to object to its existance there, and then out of nowhere we get a simple "off topic to this phone" reply and thread closure. Said thread deserved the decency of being moved to an appropriate forum, and now we have no idea where to discuss our device.
We are essentially lost with no explanation. The moderator I messaged gave me nothing more than a "we could have moved it, but nobody would know where. Do you expect me to pm every user?" I was then told that it is standard procedure to just shut a thread down. But one that big, where for so long nobody seemed to mind?
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pudgybunnyBry said:
We get that there is a misc development forum. There are already development threads there for the Relay. Our issue is that we had a discussion thread in the G2 forum for so long, with well over 800 posts, as well as threads in various other QWERTY phone forums. Nobody seemed to object to its existance there, and then out of nowhere we get a simple "off topic to this phone" reply and thread closure. Said thread deserved the decency of being moved to an appropriate forum, and now we have no idea where to discuss our device.
We are essentially lost with no explanation. The moderator I messaged gave me nothing more than a "we could have moved it, but nobody would know where. Do you expect me to pm every user?" I was then told that it is standard procedure to just shut a thread down. But one that big, where for so long nobody seemed to mind?
You. Will. Obey. XDA Premium - Samsung SGH-T699
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Can you pm me a link to that thread please. I'll find a home for it somewhere.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
Thank you so much, it really is appreciated!
Where is this thread? I can't find it