Arc Case - Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi peeps,
what case/skins/covers do you have on your ARC?
mines naked but its so fragile im scared to even put it down on certain surfaces, it really really needs protection, would love to see what you guys have on it

I ordered a Plain Black silicone Gel Case.
But theres a nice flip up leather case I saw on ebay ill root out for you

d_dan said:
I ordered a Plain Black silicone Gel Case.
But theres a nice flip up leather case I saw on ebay ill root out for you
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Cheers, not really a fan of flip cases tho, more looking at leather slide in pouch mines like what I have on my berry atm.

It's more like what do you prefer, i always used hard cases en moste of the time a soft pouch.
I ordered http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220726792405 should be arriving soon. if i have it i will write about it with pictures.

commodoor said:
It's more like what do you prefer, i always used hard cases en moste of the time a soft pouch.
I ordered http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220726792405 should be arriving soon. if i have it i will write about it with pictures.
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Looks nice.
I bought http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200591460474&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:NL:1123 which should be the original one. When it arrives I'll show pictures...

commodoor said:
It's more like what do you prefer, i always used hard cases en moste of the time a soft pouch.
I ordered http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220726792405 should be arriving soon. if i have it i will write about it with pictures.
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cheers, ive just ordered this too, guna get a gel case too, ive a habit of swapping them

TPU Gel cases worked great for my X10 and I have ordered one for the Arc that should be arriving tomorrow

Did someone find a soft pouch like the one from Nexus One? i like that one

I ordered a white/transparent gel case from ebay and it fits nice, but the flash of the camera is unusable because the photo's with flash will have a white layer..
I guess it's the same problem like the white iphone 4.

ok i just recieved this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220726792405 and damn it's bad the phone doesn't fit into it, you see the speaker and the camera. the Nexus one fit's perfectly though -_-

I just received mine today andere it's aan very snug fit. I'll also post a picture with my phone in it.
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I ordered a Plain Black silicone Gel Case.
http://www.mobilostore.com/voir_pro...ble_sony_ericsson_xperia_arc_-_murub0002.html

I don't use any protective skins on the screen even though SE bundles one as it reduces reponsiveness (or so I've experienced with my GFs X8, my Nexus One and others). It also adds too much resistance for my liking.
I don't use a case or pouch either. It's just too much of a hassle to drag it in and out. Some semi-hard cases scratch the phone after many inserts and pull outs and then you're back to square one.
If it gets a ding or a scratch, who cares? It's may be worth a bit less when I sell but I can't be bothered about that. It's more important that when I use it it both looks it's best (and that means no skins) and that its ready to go the second it's out of my pocket, and that means no case or pouch.

I ordered this puch on ebay:
Plain and simple

Bart1981 said:
I ordered this puch on ebay:
Plain and simple
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Can you provide us a link of it?

Shure, no problem.
Link

commodoor said:
ok i just recieved this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220726792405 and damn it's bad the phone doesn't fit into it, you see the speaker and the camera. the Nexus one fit's perfectly though -_-
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i got this 1 too, maaaan its bad, sent a message to the seller - the phone doesnt fit, its too saggy, phone falls out of it - id ask for a refund but too much hassle for 2quid lol

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Shure, no problem.
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Awesome, i'll order 2 of them just in case..

Let's pray the Arc fits in this pouch.

I have the Nexus One pouch.
I'm getting my Arc as soon as it releases in Canada.
Does anyone know if it will fit?

Related

Zenus 'Prestige' Carbon Series Stand / Case

Well, I just got this case today. It comes in black or white. I got the black one. I'd post pictures but my grandkids are here and I won't be able to do it until tomorrow.
My mini-review:
Pros:
Fit and Finish is beautiful.
Very light. Case and Tablet weighs 1lb 12.6ozs
Very thin.
(Added) The edges of the screen are not covered. Like the Samsung case there are 3 clips to hold the TAB. I don't like the way most ofthe other cases cover the border of the screen with "PU" or leather.
Cons:
TOO EXPENSIVE. It may be "worth" $85 + shipping for it's quality but for what it is it's just too much money
TOO EXPENSIVE
"Stand" is only a single position and the way it works is you have to unsnap the bottom half of the tablet from it's perfectly fitting snap on cover and rest it on the "latch" that holds locks the case closed. I have to believe that eventually the snaps will lose their tension and not tightly hold the Tablet. May be wrong there but it seems to be.
Must be opened to access USB connection.
TOO EXPENSIVE
I have six months to return it so I'm not worried.
http://www.zenuscaseusa.com/Zenus-Prestige-Genuine-Leather-Case/dp/B0057ST7KY?ie=UTF8&id=Zenus%20Prestige%20Genuine%20Leather%20Case&field_product_site_launch_date_utc=-1y&field_availability=-1&field_browse=3008325011&searchSize=12&searchNodeID=3008325011&searchPage=1&refinementHistory=brandtextbin%2Csubjectbin%2Ccolor_map%2Cprice%2Csize_name%2Cmaterial_type&searchRank=salesrank
nice review
but i'd pick the cheaper ($59) & more practical Masstige' Band Type Leather Case
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jeandujardin01 said:
nice review
but i'd pick the cheaper ($59) & more practical Masstige' Band Type Leather Case
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I looked at that case but since it was seemingly 2x as thick and made from "synthetic leather" (either plastic or "PU" not sure which) I chose the other. I probably would prefer the Samsung over that one since the Samsung is very thin and lite. Also don't like the "hand strap" since it reminds me of a ping-pong paddle.
However if the quality is just as good it would be a good alternate choice for those who don't mind the thicker vinyl case.
Cut the price in half and I'll buy.
MisterEdF:
Any additional feedback now that you've been using it for a few days?
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MisterEdF:
Any additional feedback now that you've been using it for a few days?
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I sent it back for a refund. Too expensive and required "unsnapping" the bottom 2 clips holding the TAB to "stand" it.
Well made and excellent fit and VERY light .... but not worth it to me.
MisterEdF said:
I sent it back for a refund. Too expensive and required "unsnapping" the bottom 2 clips holding the TAB to "stand" it.
Well made and excellent fit and VERY light .... but not worth it to me.
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Aw, that's kinda upsetting. It sure looked like a nice case, and for some reason I'm a sucker for carbon fiber styling, but it's sad to hear about those downsides.
If nothing else, thanks for being a guinea pig on that! It was hard enough to justify that kind of money on a simple case even if it was perfect. The USB slot issue is the killer, really.
MisterEdF said:
I sent it back for a refund. Too expensive and required "unsnapping" the bottom 2 clips holding the TAB to "stand" it.
Well made and excellent fit and VERY light .... but not worth it to me.
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How did you go about sending it back for a refund. I'm about to do the same with mine. My initial impressions were that it was a good case but after having it a couple days I'm ready to return it and get something cheaper that is probably a better quality.
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Acaelus Thorne said:
How did you go about sending it back for a refund. I'm about to do the same with mine. My initial impressions were that it was a good case but after having it a couple days I'm ready to return it and get something cheaper that is probably a better quality.
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I purchased through Amazon. I went into my Amazon account and sent the "seller" a message, They have a 14 day return policy. You can also contact them through their website but if you purchased from Amazon you should email through there as Amazon keeps records of the contacts and you are protected.
i was thinking about getting this case but real expensive ... waiting on your pics ...
has anyone found any other carbon fiber cases?
iTouch24 said:
i was thinking about getting this case but real expensive ... waiting on your pics ...
has anyone found any other carbon fiber cases?
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Then you will be waiting for a long time because as I stated in the previous message I sent it back.
BTW, it was NOT carbon fiber, it's a vinyl fabric.
These Zenus cases look pretty slick, but also very pricey. What other cases do you all recommend?
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These Zenus cases look pretty slick, but also very pricey. What other cases do you all recommend?
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personally ?! i'd say Samsung's Original
the other are not my taste at all
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personally ?! i'd say Samsung's Original
the other are not my taste at all
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Same here, I have not found any cases I would think are worth buying compared to the official one.

Quality Pouch

Just arrived from Germany, my Nappa/Suede leather pouch:
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Good fit, beautifully soft, good quality and not cheap @ £19.90 + £1.80 P&P from Amazon. It’s also got a 24 month warranty.
cosimoss said:
Just arrived from Germany, my Nappa/Suede leather pouch:
Good fit, beautifully soft, good quality and not cheap @ £19.90 + £1.80 P&P from Amazon. It’s also got a 24 month warranty.
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£22. Bloody hell.
does look good though
Looks a little big which isnt a problem but it does look expensive for what you get. If it was premium leather it might be worth that price.
Sent from my samsung gt i9250 which is in the wrong country.
How long did it take to arrive? Mine was dispatched today.
wow, how did you get yours so fast???
Doesn`t look tight I love super slim and tight cases which do not increase overall size too much.
They seem to do a pure suede one, a pure nappa one, and a Alcantara one too.
You probably can't say much for the Alcantara one, but having got your half suede half Nappa one, whats your opinion of what might be the best? Pure Nappa, Pure Suede or half n half like yours?
What is alcantara? That's the one I ordered!
There's 3 materials: Suede, Nappa Leather and Alcantara (its the kind of suede type material they use in cars).
There's 4 types of case:
Nappa leather one side, suede the other (The one pictured above in this thread):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005TI0EUY
Nappa Leather:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/product/dp/B005TI0AN0
Alcantara:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005TI0EAO
Suede:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005TI0C92
I'm really not sure which one to order! Please let me know what you think of your Alcantara one when it arrives. From the pictures it seems like the best shaped one (no sagging), but its really hard to tell.
hmmmm... that suede one looks a lot better on my laptop screen than my atrix. that other one still looks meh. so how does one go about ordering one from amazon usa?
You could probably contact fitbag directly. I'm was just waiting for the OP to reply as to what's better, but I gave up and just ordered the black suede one - bit cheaper too:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/product/dp/B005TI0C92
FYI i found some real pictures on some forums that I put in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19731530&postcount=47
Matcarroll said:
How long did it take to arrive? Mine was dispatched today.
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Ordered on 21st, send on 23rd arrived 29th.
kam187 said:
They seem to do a pure suede one, a pure nappa one, and a Alcantara one too.
You probably can't say much for the Alcantara one, but having got your half suede half Nappa one, whats your opinion of what might be the best? Pure Nappa, Pure Suede or half n half like yours?
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I like the mix one because it isn't shiny on the top side when it's on a surface and the suede has a lovely feel to it.
I got the alcantara version of the pouch and it fits perfectly like a glove around my Nexus.
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I got the alcantara version of the pouch and it fits perfectly like a glove around my Nexus.
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Can you post some pictures? I'm sure a lot of people would like to see how well it fits and what alcantara looks like in a real world photo
I'll be sure to post pics of the pure Suede one when it arrives (ordered 29th, so probably arrive in 7 or 8 days)
It seems they are out of stock on Amazon. I'm thinking of buying directly from their site. I'd be really happy if you guys share the photos of yours when you get them. I'm thinking of buying the leather/suede fusion one or the full leather one.
I'll definitely post some when it arrives, shipped a coupla days ago. I'm ordered the suede one, but after receiving the GN i'm thinking full leather might have been better. Its so thin that the slight extra thickness vs the extra protection is probably worth it.
Yeah, the full leather or at least the fusion one would probably be more protective than the full suede one. I really don't know why people need cases when there are great pouches like these. I'd never change the experience of a bare naked phone to one with a case.
That's what I used to think with nexus one. Until I took it out of the pouch and it slipped out of my hands
for those of us in the US, what do you guys think of this?
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galax...NC/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1322874295&sr=8-10
this is the only good one I found

Review: Ultra Slim plastic case.

Just purchased this plastic case from china costing me less than USD 0.50, this case look very similar to the samsung original slim case posted in other threads.
Some members actually say cheap stuff is never good, I think otherwise, I think this is better than the samsung version, as the samsung one does not cover the whole rim of the phone.
Anyway this case has a perfect fit that protects the whole rim of the SGS3 apart from the bottom part as seen in the photo's which is need to insert and remove the phone from the case.
Available in 9 colours
Where did you buy it? ebay seller or link? Thanks
Link please!
Is SGS official
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Is SGS official
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what do you mean.
Ebay Link please. We all want this case.
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KMS108, you are such a tease. Youvwont even pleasure us with the link. Looked all over ebay can't find the case.
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Same here; looked on ebay and I didn't find the same.
As stated in the first post I got it fom china, there is no link.
This is the very type of case I usually end up leaving on my phone, it's scratch protection, super minimalist.
Grip is usually nice, it's snug, form fitting. Judging by your pictures, it's cut out are precise.
One doubt is the sudden missing bottom front portion, wonder what for.. Is there actually a piece of the case going into the usb port?
I would definitely buy these at even twice their price
EDIT: ebay search "i9300 tpu ultra slim or thin" comes up with 2 similar styles.
The material is flexi plastic, and the fit is like perfect, so without the bottom part rim removed it's not possible to put and remove the phone from the case.
The samsung version doesn't have this, but the case only covers only half of the rim on all sides, members with the samsung case will know what I mean.
clockcycle said:
ebay search "i9300 tpu ultra slim or thin" comes up with 2 similar styles.
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One being a shenzhen new brand call szlf, and another being a non branded.
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Same here; looked on ebay and I didn't find the same.
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searched again and again. Finally found this one. dont know if you will find it usefull or if its the same.
Never the less i will give it a go. its only 2 quid.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Clear-0-9..._MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item3cc89ac77f
0.2mm Ultra Thin TPU Back Case Cover For Samsung Galaxy S3
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searched again and again. Finally found this one. dont know if you will find it usefull or if its the same.
Never the less i will give it a go. its only 2 quid.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Clear-0-9..._MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item3cc89ac77f
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Nope, that's one of the ones I mentioned, it's thicker. I found some here;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-2mm-Thin-...ccessories&hash=item5ae7ee1871#ht_2904wt_1270
http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-2-mm-Ultr...914080?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item43b1453ea0
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-2-mm-Ultr...ccessories&hash=item43b189d2fa#ht_3103wt_1037
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4x-0-2-mm-U...ccessories&hash=item4168016aac#ht_3120wt_1037
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Nope, that's one of the ones I mentioned, it's thicker. I found some here;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-2mm-Thin-...ccessories&hash=item5ae7ee1871#ht_2904wt_1270
http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-2-mm-Ultr...914080?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item43b1453ea0
http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-2-mm-Ultr...ccessories&hash=item43b189d2fa#ht_3103wt_1037
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4x-0-2-mm-U...ccessories&hash=item4168016aac#ht_3120wt_1037
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thats it.:good:
Thanks. Am on it. :beer:
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clockcycle said:
Nope, that's one of the ones I mentioned, it's thicker. I found some here;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-2mm-Thin-...ccessories&hash=item5ae7ee1871#ht_2904wt_1270
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Thanks given....Ordered this a few mins ago..$3 shipped from CA...what the heck...Adding it to my growing collection of cases. I think I have a problem:laugh:
0.3mm ultra thin Frosted case cover for samsung Galaxy s3
I am not sure this is the same, since they don't have a picture of it installed to compare. EDIT: this one doesn't have the microusb opening, looks like the cut exposes the bottom completely.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-3mm-ultra...ltDomain_0&hash=item43b1661bcd#ht_6900wt_1270
P.S. You guys suck, I didn't get to order a 0.2mm black one.. lol all 20 sold out, haha
wow .2mm thin? so tempting. Im scared to buy another cheap ebay case because the one i got was pretty bad :/
I have a plan to go HongKong next week. Could you suggest where to buy it?

HTC One Nillkin case

I was looking for a anti-fingerprint screen protector and i stumbled upon this case, it looks amazing, not sure if anyone has this one already and can give us a quick review, its called Nillkin.
Here is the link: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Newest-HT...rd-Shell-Cover-Screen-Protector-/370808049120
Im going to order one and give you guys a quick review, it ship almost everywhere around the world, free and fast delivery in the UK and its only £8.00, very reasonable, it also comes with a screen protector so it might be worthy.
Looking forward to some feedback.
here are some photos.
Edit: just placed my order, might get it by mid week next week since its already weekend. will give some review once i got it
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I have them all. I also have the Nillkin fold cases like the galaxy case. They are top notch cases, you cant go wrong with nillkin. Probably my favorite case maker.
I bought the white one but have since decided to sell it away because I've finally decided to use my HTC One with a pouch instead of hiding its beauty behind a cover =)
nugzo said:
I have them all. I also have the Nillkin fold cases like the galaxy case. They are top notch cases, you cant go wrong with nillkin. Probably my favorite case maker.
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wow nice, can i have the link for the Nillkin fold case?
Kedgez said:
I bought the white one but have since decided to sell it away because I've finally decided to use my HTC One with a pouch instead of hiding its beauty behind a cover =)
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i had a pouch for my N4 before but ended up not using it, im just too lazy to take it in and out everytime.
kennynguyen20 said:
wow nice, can i have the link for the Nillkin fold case?
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http://www.amazon.com/Nillkin-Tree-Texture-Leather-Abacus24-7-Black/dp/B00C74G7O0
I have a white one and a black one but the white one got dirty in a week...
they are decently thin and look great though!
Is there a cut out for the power button or is there an actual button?
i have had this case for my note 2 and i think i will get it for my one as well. It was a top quality case.
isinisterx said:
Is there a cut out for the power button or is there an actual button?
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its cut out.
kennynguyen20 said:
i had a pouch for my N4 before but ended up not using it, im just too lazy to take it in and out everytime.
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Well, I guess we just have different preferences :laugh:
I've got one in black and its an awesome case, i'd say a better fit and more durable than the casemate cases too.
Two questions before I buy this case:
1) Is there a cut out for the power button or is there an actual button on the case for it?
2) Do these hard shells not damage the phone at all?
Absolutely love this case. Almost looks like the phone was made that way. Doesn't offer the best protection, but if you just care about protecting the back, this is of the best and best looking.
isinisterx said:
Two questions before I buy this case:
1) Is there a cut out for the power button or is there an actual button on the case for it?
2) Do these hard shells not damage the phone at all?
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1. its a cut out, look at the ebay post to see more photos
2. i THINK these are high quality plastic, it should not damage the phone
I too have a white nillkin case and their grey flip.
Only problem with the flip is the case is too close to the headphone port, so I have a kld oscar 2 on back order to fix this.
Plus I love the black monolith look, reminds me of the film 2002 a space odyssey.
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They fit nicely, I have one but they are not TPU or something like that, meaning if you should ever drop it, the hit would transfer directly to the phone instead of be being distribute thorough out the case
TrueYears said:
They fit nicely, I have one but they are not TPU or something like that, meaning if you should ever drop it, the hit would transfer directly to the phone instead of be being distribute thorough out the case
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oh wow, never heard of this actually, maybe thats why they are pretty cheap. more style than protection.
yeah, think of it as a marble hitting a marble
I got a black nillkin too. Fits nicely and looks nice. I just wanted a case that is slim
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Cruzerlite Nexus 5 cases

Hey there guys Cruzerlite is back! They had awesome cases for the Nexus 4 and I plan on getting the black one for my (soon to ship) Nexus 5
Here's the link, they are affordable and reliable. http://www.amazon.com/Cruzerlite-Bu...1383598345&sr=8-1&keywords=nexus+5+cruzerlite
Ooh, thanks for the update! I loved how thin and bulkless it made my N4
I got a few of the bugdroid cases ordered. Can't wait. I have loved my evo lte case since it dropped, dropping it hundreds of times. Cheap and good basic protection.
I ordered a teal bugdroid one. It shipped yesterday from Hong Kong. I wonder how long it'll take to get here.
Ordered a green Androidified for the wifey and a Spi case for me.
I ordered the clear bug droid. I have yet to be disappointed with a Cruzerlite case:good:.
zerolgk5 said:
I ordered the clear bug droid. I have yet to be disappointed with a Cruzerlite case:good:.
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My nexus 5 comes in tomorrow
Thanks for the update I'll probably pick one up
Don't forget some pictures! :good:
I got a Bugdroid for my N5. Fits like a glove. Love it. Been using Cruzerlite since my Galaxy Nexus.
BenjRubenstein said:
I got a Bugdroid for my N5. Fits like a glove. Love it. Been using Cruzerlite since my Galaxy Nexus.
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Pictures and links
Bug droid in orange came in. Now just waiting for my nexus tomorrow! Will post pics tomorrow
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How well do these cases protect the front?
How about a drop that lands on an edge?
They only show the back of the phone, not any front pics.
Anyone have a pic of the front with the case on?
Edit: Since its buy 2 get one free I ordered one of the armor ones and two different color smaller ones. Lots of choices now. The phone kinda ugly and looks fragile so having a case or three is important to me.
Lythandra said:
How well do these cases protect the front?
How about a drop that lands on an edge?
They only show the back of the phone, not any front pics.
Anyone have a pic of the front with the case on?
Edit: Since its buy 2 get one free I ordered one of the armor ones and two different color smaller ones. Lots of choices now. The phone kinda ugly and looks fragile so having a case or three is important to me.
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There's a video review on Amazon. The guy seems to think it will "definitely" protect the phone from a fall... not sure how definite that is, but it seems well built albeit very thin.
Here is mine with the clear case on:
Back:
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Here is mine with the clear case on:
Back:
Front:
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very nice
I ordered the tpu in teal yesterday and plan on getting the spigen screen protector. I love my nexus 5 but I do not trust myself until its behind a case and screen protector
Ordered the green androidfied. First time using Cruz elite so hoping it'll be thin and nice.
Anyone have any other pictures of different colours?
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Anyone have any other pictures of different colours?
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Here's mine
http://sdrv.ms/1hk29S9
Case fits perfectly
Cutouts are very good
Makes the phone easier to grip/handle
How thin or thick are these cases?

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