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Wifi or wait for LTE?

I'm pretty set on getting the 10.5 S. I'm currently running an ATT LTE Note 8.0 but the lack of updates is way past annoying, especially with the input freezing bug. I like having LTE, I certainly don't want to be completely without it. I'm also still locked in a contract on the Note for another year, the good news is it only costs $10/month so its a minimal issue. So my plan at the his point is to buy the wifi only 10.5 S and keep my note 8 and basically use it as a hot spot. To purchase a hotspot would cost me $20/month so it does make sense to just keep it and use it that way. That can certainly cut down on some portability but I really only use my tablet on LTE in my truck during work so keeping the Note there for for hotspot use is no biggie. And if I do want to take a tablet with me I can always just take the Note 8. Oh, and I cannot use my phone as a hotspot because its a work phone and is locked from doing so.
I guess my point in all of this is that I dont want to enter into another LTE tablet with potential problems that will never be fixed by the cell provider and be handcuffed with a locked bootloader in the community. Atleast when you go wifi only you know Samsung is going to take care of issues and you will stay closer to the front of the line of Android development.
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kmeleon77 said:
I'm pretty set on getting the 10.5 S. I'm currently running an ATT LTE Note 8.0 but the lack of updates is way past annoying, especially with the input freezing bug. I like having LTE, I certainly don't want to be completely without it. I'm also still locked in a contract on the Note for another year, the good news is it only costs $10/month so its a minimal issue. So my plan at the his point is to buy the wifi only 10.5 S and keep my note 8 and basically use it as a hot spot. To purchase a hotspot would cost me $20/month so it does make sense to just keep it and use it that way. That can certainly cut down on some portability but I really only use my tablet on LTE in my truck during work so keeping the Note there for for hotspot use is no biggie. And if I do want to take a tablet with me I can always just take the Note 8. Oh, and I cannot use my phone as a hotspot because its a work phone and is locked from doing so.
I guess my point in all of this is that I dont want to enter into another LTE tablet with potential problems that will never be fixed by the cell provider and be handcuffed with a locked bootloader in the community. Atleast when you go wifi only you know Samsung is going to take care of issues and you will stay closer to the front of the line of Android development.
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Personally I'm just going to get the wifi version since there will be wifi at the places I mainly go to and in worst case scenario I can tether using my S4. I really don't see a need to get the LTE version and pay more monthly (unless when the devs here find a way to make calls with this and you want to make calls and stuff?)

Why not just tether it to your phone? Tethering to another android device usually doesn't count against a tethering limit.

It has tended to be the case in my Samsung tablet experience that there tends to be more options when it comes to rooting and custom ROMs with the wifi varients vs. carrier tied lte variants. A personal example: I first got an lte AT&T Note 8 due to a promotion that they had at the time. That tablet ended up getting stolen, and I replaced it with the wifi version. Looking back, while it sucked shelling out extra cash for a replacement tablet, my experience with the Note 8 was MUCH better due to the ability to easily root it and a couple of really nice custom ROMs that are immeasurably better than the stock ROM, while I don't think there even are any ROMs that can be flashed to the AT&T locked-down version. I think it's rootable, but that's a relatively recent development for a device that's been out as long as the Note 8 (I think, there's a thread on the subject but I haven't looked at it).
Of course, the my take on the matter is really only relevant if you plan on rooting / modifying the device, or at least having the ability to do so, the wifi variant (or international lte version, I guess) seems to generally be the way to go.
I'm lusting hard after the Tab S 8.4, but I'm going to wait a while and keep an eye on this subforum mostly to see how development goes, and a price drop or sale would be nice when that starts to happen for these. If I end up getting this tablet (seems likely, the specs are pretty much exactly what I was hoping for in the TabPro 8.4), I anticipate that I'll end up getting the wifi version, even if I have the opportunity to get the lte version for the same price (I'm on T-mobile now and they had a promotion where they were selling the lte variants of the Samsung tablets that they had (which sucked when I checked it out) for the same price as the wifi variant with 2 GB free data or something, but not sure if that's perpetual). I now have a Note 3 and Note 8, and I really only use the tablet at home, but if I wanted to use it elsewhere I would just tether it to my phone with unlimited data, and all is right with the world
tl;dr IMO the wifi variant is the way to go so that your device isn't tied to any carrier and likely more modifiable, if you care about that. If this was a major decision that you were making that I completely solved and/or you're ridiculously generous, PM me for my address for pre-ordering purposes

I'd wait to see if the devices are rootable. I imagine that if the specs are close enough, I'd go with a Nexus 8 for the dev support. Failing that, go for the GPE version of Galaxy S.

bigbrown said:
I'd wait to see if the devices are rootable. I imagine that if the specs are close enough, I'd go with a Nexus 8 for the dev support. Failing that, go for the GPE version of Galaxy S.
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I would love to see a GPE version of the Galaxy Tab S LTE. I don't know why it's so hard to find an Android tablet with LTE that isn't owned by the carriers so I can get decent updates. All the international versions never support the proper LTE bands. The Nexus 7 LTE is the exception. I also have the AT&T Note 8.0 and the lack of updates is more than annoying.

LM-G820UM on AT&T - Android 10 Firmware

I recently purchased a LG G8 (LM-G820UM) from China. It is an AT&T branded phone, but works perfectly with my current UK SIM. It is running Android 9 (Software Version: G820UM10m), but when I try to update to Android 10 it says, "Current software is up to date."
I am used to updating the firmware on Samsung tablets and didn't realise the firmware would be tied to AT&T, so when I tried to install the firmware from another carrier using LGUP, I was surprised to find it just wouldn't work and always gave up before it hit 10%. (I tried using the LG Flash Tool, but couldn't get it to work on my Windows 10 PC.)
Reading through the forum, I appreciate buying a pre-paid AT&T SIM might - only might - work, but I'd much prefer to source an AT&T Android 10 image or else use software that will let me install an Android 10 image from another carrier.
Given that an AT&T Android 10 firmware does exist, I'm surprised it is not available to download from somewhere. Or that I can't just install a non-AT&T firmware.
Does anyone know of any further avenues I might be able to explore?

pfhastie said:
I recently purchased a LG G8 (LM-G820UM) from China. It is an AT&T branded phone, but works perfectly with my current UK SIM. It is running Android 9 (Software Version: G820UM10m), but when I try to update to Android 10 it says, "Current software is up to date."
I am used to updating the firmware on Samsung tablets and didn't realise the firmware would be tied to AT&T, so when I tried to install the firmware from another carrier using LGUP, I was surprised to find it just wouldn't work and always gave up before it hit 10%. (I tried using the LG Flash Tool, but couldn't get it to work on my Windows 10 PC.)
Reading through the forum, I appreciate buying a pre-paid AT&T SIM might - only might - work, but I'd much prefer to source an AT&T Android 10 image or else use software that will let me install an Android 10 image from another carrier.
Given that an AT&T Android 10 firmware does exist, I'm surprised it is not available to download from somewhere. Or that I can't just install a non-AT&T firmware.
Does anyone know of any further avenues I might be able to explore?
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I saw on here if you remove your Sim card, then factory reset and don't connect to anything including wifi, so skip everything to get to the home screen. Then connect to WiFi and check for updates it works. I did it and boom, I had to go through about 5 updates, but it all worked. Not sure if it will work outside of the US, but it's worth a shot.

That sounds interesting. I'll give it a go and let you know. I am in the UK, but perhaps a US VPN might do the trick if it doesn't work for me.

pfhastie said:
That sounds interesting. I'll give it a go and let you know. I am in the UK, but perhaps a US VPN might do the trick if it doesn't work for me.
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Good luck, it seems there some issue when it has a connection and it looks for updates during the setup and it breaks updates afterwards. So this is a workaround. I did all the updates consecutively, then rebooted and inserted my sim.

Gave it a good go. Full reset, skipped the intro pages, connected WiFi, but Software Update said I was up to date. Installed ThunderVPN (for apps & browsers), set it to USA and tried again, but same story. Then tried the whole thing again from scratch this time making sure I was on a US VPN prior to initiating the Software Update, but it was still the same ("Current software is up to date").
It is so disappointing not being able to bring this otherwise near-perfect phone up to the latest Android version, but I'm too short of cash to spend £10 on a SIM that only has a small chance of working in the UK. I'll just get on with my life and check back every now and then to see if one of the resident geniuses has come up with a fix.

pfhastie said:
Gave it a good go. Full reset, skipped the intro pages, connected WiFi, but Software Update said I was up to date. Installed ThunderVPN (for apps & browsers), set it to USA and tried again, but same story. Then tried the whole thing again from scratch this time making sure I was on a US VPN prior to initiating the Software Update, but it was still the same ("Current software is up to date").
It is so disappointing not being able to bring this otherwise near-perfect phone up to the latest Android version, but I'm too short of cash to spend £10 on a SIM that only has a small chance of working in the UK. I'll just get on with my life and check back every now and then to see if one of the resident geniuses has come up with a fix.
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Did you ever got the update to Android 10 and if yes, how?

hugoprh said:
Did you ever got the update to Android 10 and if yes, how?
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No, I never did. Planning on checking back every few months or so to see if there is firmware available, but I rather doubt there will as AT&T seem to have the phone tied down pretty well. On the plus side, coming from an Xperia Z5, Android 9 is excellent, especially battery life, and although Android 10 adds a desktop mode, I've heard of some people having problems, so I'm not worried I'm missing all that much. So many tech issues, so little time.

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pfhastie said:
No, I never did. Planning on checking back every few months or so to see if there is firmware available, but I rather doubt there will as AT&T seem to have the phone tied down pretty well. On the plus side, coming from an Xperia Z5, Android 9 is excellent, especially battery life, and although Android 10 adds a desktop mode, I've heard of some people having problems, so I'm not worried I'm missing all that much. So many tech issues, so little time.
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133/5000
You could find a solution, I have the same problem and I don't know how to update, I don't know if it would work if I bought the sim card

Likewise, got a deal on eBay and starting to feel I should've found out about the AT&T update troubles before purchasing smh

Did anyone ever figure this out? I'm in the same boat

BWA_Dallas said:
Did anyone ever figure this out? I'm in the same boat
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I'd suggest looking in the 'guides' forum and following the 'how to cross flash' guide. Essentially, if you're using an at&t rom outside the us, then it's almost certain you're missing a few of the bands needed for you to have full coverage. It might be working, but there are probably some bands you're not getting.
So, the software / rom for your region is always the better one. If you successfully cross flash to that rom, you'll be better off.

Upgrading from a Note 8 (N950U1) to either a N976U or N975U1...Questions.

Hi. Hope everyone is doing well here in 2022! First forgive me for any information I lack. I'm just an old guy who prefers to buy cash "new" older top model Notes for a discount because it works for me. Since now the option for the US is between being able to root vs carrier aggregation, having my phone reliable for communication is top priority for me so Snapdragon it is...unfortunately. Saying that, I currently have a Note 8 U1 that still working flawlessly and with CCSWE I'm able to disable what I consider bloatware and apps that I don't use daily and that gives me fantastic battery life even 2 years in. Obviously having the U1 firmware helps not having T-Mobile's crapware installed, including that bright-ass annoying splash logo at boot-up...and that's what I'm getting at.
I would like to purchase a Note10+ 5G (N976U) but I noticed they don't have a U1 version nor know if there is an U1 firmware that could be Odin into it. Again, i would love to avoid any extra bloatware. My other option would be buying a N975U1 but I would be missing the 5G benefit. I'm also unsure if at this moment here in my location (Tucson, AZ, USA) having a 5G enabled phone is a huge improvement for data speeds, especially for someone who gets along well streaming Netflix at 4G LTE (the biggest strain I would put on a phone nowadays). I usually keep my phones for 2 years so I would have to be committed for a 5G...less phone for that time. At last, I emailed the developer of CCSWE and was told it works with the Note 10+, but with Android 11 in it I'm unsure. I would love to someone to chime in on this also. I would appreciate any info and opinions on this. Thank you very much and have a great one!

Question Is rooting the SD version still a pain in the toosh?

Hi everyone.
TLDR: Is it currently possible to root a Canadian (W) variant of the S22? I find the new XDA search hard to operate, but from what I see here and elsewhere US versions are a no-go, but I don't see the W version mentioned, so I want to clarify.
Long version: I've used Samsung devices for a long time, and mostly had Exynos variants. Problem is I live in Canada where the version is the Snapdragon one since the S8. This meant my S9 Exynos had horrible reception and compatibility with local carriers. When came time to update, I went for a Pixel 6 but there are things on there related to dual SIM usage that really bother me. I'm thinking of maybe going back to Samsung since we can now do DSDS with an eSIM and a physical one!
But... there's the question of root. I really want to keep root; don't really care about custom ROMs or tripping Knox for that matter, but I use root a lot in automation and backup, and that's something Samsung is horrible for, at least with stupid locked BL in North America. I want to weigh what's more important to me before I switch devices.
Edit: the reason why I don't want another Exynos is because of compatibility issues I've had in the past with carriers. On paper the phone should have been 100% compatible, but in reality it wasn't and had very weak signal. Carriers in Canada only support whatever phones they sell, even if you can use any device you want, so I'm trying to ere on the side of caution. That's why I'm weary of using an international version of SD as well, in the event those are also problematic...
Thanks!

Anyone got A12 on Razr 5G?

Just curious.
I can hear some of other users' news about A12 update while mine's not,
so I've searched for information about how it looks & how the new features work.
But no one tells about the experience itself
Share your thoughts about A12 if you don't mind.

Unlocked retail version in the US here. No A12 update yet, unfortunately.

Same retail US as well, hopefully get it ASAP🥹

I've just bought an used Razr 5G and it had A12 already installed. Slovenia, EU.

SpeedSlash said:
I've just bought an used Razr 5G and it had A12 already installed. Slovenia, EU.
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Thanks for sharing. Still no news to retail US for some reason

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Yay, I just got the A12 update on my US Retail version.

Yep. Came through Cricket Wireless for me.

I got the Android 12 update about two months ago (November 2022) in the US on Mint Mobile.
5G stopped working AS SOON AS THE UPDATE COMPLETED and restarted because unknown to me, the carrier network settings were not set for "NR" networks and did not get set properly through the update.
Mint Moile tehncal support connected me directly to Motorola Technicians who had absolutely no idea what to do, it was not in their scripts. They wanted to "repair" my Razr 5G for $966 USD when the current new retail is around $500 USD. After a full factory reset as recommended by Motorola tech support, and having no apps loaded, still no 5G., leaving me to then restore everything back on my phone from various backups, because Motorola's RSA is garbage.
Anyway, a guy on the Motorola / Lenovo forum queued me into the Phone Test menu command sequence, I enabled the NR networks and 5G started instantly and I have not had an issue since.

StagByTriumph said:
I got the Android 12 update about two months ago (November 2022) in the US on Mint Mobile.
5G stopped working AS SOON AS THE UPDATE COMPLETED and restarted because unknown to me, the carrier network settings were not set for "NR" networks and did not get set properly through the update.
Mint Moile tehncal support connected me directly to Motorola Technicians who had absolutely no idea what to do, it was not in their scripts. They wanted to "repair" my Razr 5G for $966 USD when the current new retail is around $500 USD. After a full factory reset as recommended by Motorola tech support, and having no apps loaded, still no 5G., leaving me to then restore everything back on my phone from various backups, because Motorola's RSA is garbage.
Anyway, a guy on the Motorola / Lenovo forum queued me into the Phone Test menu command sequence, I enabled the NR networks and 5G started instantly and I have not had an issue since.
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Do you remember the steps you did to do that.. ??? Just curious,

surfing191 said:
Do you remember the steps you did to do that.. ??? Just curious,
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ABSOLUTELY!!
Since the Motorola Tech Forum decided that fixes sharing the keystroke codes to their products are not ALLOWED on their forum.
Make sure you are in a 5G signal area.
Enter *#*#4636#*#* in the phone dialer which should immediately display the "Testing" screen,. That initial sequence is one of many standard Andriod code sequences for accessing just about everything in Android.
Touch "Phone Information".
Touch the "Set Preferred Network Type"
A list of all the network types available should then display.
First note the network that is currently selected in case setting back is needed for operations.
For me it was recommended I then select "NR Only". The phone immediately went into 5G mode, then automatically selected the network with the NR features combination as shown for all my other signal compatibility.
Try it WITH caution, NO GUARANTEES you won't brick your device. If it works, great.
I am not sure why this is not in the standard troubleshooting scripts from the Agents or the Motorola Tech Support, but I'll bet it has something top do with getting a $1000 repair order than actually providing good customer service.

I think you just got super lucky. Most carriers have that lock out where you can't make any changes. It took me two months of reaching out to Cricket to get 5g working on the razr. An actually carrier settings provision update had to be created and sent out to all Razr on Cricket network to enable the feature.

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I think you just got super lucky. Most carriers have that lock out where you can't make any changes. It took me two months of reaching out to Cricket to get 5g working on the razr. An actually carrier settings provision update had to be created and sent out to all Razr on Cricket network to enable the feature.
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No, that was all deliberate planning.
The primary reason I left, no RAN AWAY from Verizon, and any other "carrier restricted" phone: far too much restriction on what I could run on my smartphone.
The final Verizon straw was when they told me my new phone, the Verizon 2019 Razr at that time, was 5G compatible with their Verizon 5G networks, which they knew did not work at a corporate level, that was the last straw after digging into the technical specifications and discovering the Verison branded phone radio did not support the correct Verizon 5G Verizon frequency installations. I had been with Verizon since it was known as Airtouch in the late 1980's when I had an analog bag phone.
I returned that 2019 Razr phone for a full refund and quit the can-you-hear-me-now network.
No more carrier locked/ carrier frequency restricted phones for me ever again.
I started the search for only all band, fully unlocked phone models so I and my other family members would have full flexibility of my settings and carriers and had coverage where I needed it using other networks towers.
I will never buy anything other than an all band retail unlocked phone again, nor will I use a service that does not support an unlocked retail version of my preferred phone.
All I would have gotten from Verizon would have been "we are sorry your phone does not work as expected, would you like to buy another one for three times the price and we can give you a $50 trade-in as a loyal customer because that phone does not work - er- is not supported on our network !?"
As consumers we can take our business elsewhere.

So, Yes, I got my moto razr 5g XT2071-3 directly from the Motorola website, unlock. But each carriers, and each mvno have the ability to lock or enable certain settings on the phone through the carriers settings version. If you go to Settings, Network, Mobile Network you will see a carrier setting version number. Each provider will have a different number. This is to enable features like 5g, wifi calling, hotspot, hd-calling. ect.