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I am just curious if anyone here is considering the OnePlus 6?
GCbard said:
I am just curious if anyone here is considering the OnePlus 6?
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I'd consider the snot out of it if it weren't for 2 things...1. THE NOTCH!!!!! 2. It doesn't work on my provider! ??
Badger50 said:
I'd consider the snot out of it if it weren't for 2 things...1. THE NOTCH!!!!! 2. It doesn't work on my provider!
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Same. I wonder if they realize how many customers they are losing out on by continuing to not put in certain bands. Or, do they need someone's permission? Either way: notch = no sale, for me.
I don't see the reason for switching to a OP6. I don't even consider it as an upgrade.
OnePlus screens have never been amazing
Snapdragon 845 over 835... do you really need the difference in processing power?
Camera is going to be definitely worse, even the S9 still struggles against the Pixel 2.
Software updates aren't going to be faster, that's for sure
Battery life and RAM might be better though I have never ever had RAM problems with my Pixel 2. RAM is there for being used, free ram is wasted ram.
allweknowisa said:
I don't see the reason for switching to a OP6. I don't even consider it as an upgrade.
OnePlus screens have never been amazing
Snapdragon 845 over 835... do you really need the difference in processing power?
Camera is going to be definitely worse, even the S9 still struggles against the Pixel 2.
Software updates aren't going to be faster, that's for sure
Battery life and RAM might be better though I have never ever had RAM problems with my Pixel 2. RAM is there for being used, free ram is wasted ram.
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Very good points. I would only consider one as something extra to play with, not a daily driver.
On your first point, I certainly wouldn't describe the Pixel 2XL's screen as amazing, either. I'm not referring to blue shift. That doesn't bother me. I'm more about ghost swipes and graininess.
Str0ntium said:
Very good points. I would only consider one as something extra to play with, not a daily driver.
On your first point, I certainly wouldn't describe the Pixel 2XL's screen as amazing, either. I'm not referring to blue shift. That doesn't bother me. I'm more about ghost swipes and graininess.
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I understand somebody can upgrade their Pixel 2 XL to an S9 or S9+ with the main reason of having a way better screen, but I think OP6 screen will not be worth the switch.
If it worked on VZW, would ditch the Pixel and go back to the OnePlus in a second. It is better in every single way except the camera. But the 6 might close that gap more.
one thing is having used 3, 3T and 5, there is a touch latency where it cannot even beat Nexus 6p. seems liek there is lag while 6p, 2xl there isnt any.
however the 6 do interest me with the screen to size ratio.. notch doesnt bother me
Nada! Our Pixel XL 2 keeps getting better and better with more Development! Salute'
I was an upgrade every year user before but have turned into an every two year person now. So 2019 for me but I'm also still waiting for a Sprint compatible variant which will probably never come. I'll never be switching carriers as Sprint is good everywhere I need it to be and cost is good.
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I was thinking about getting one as a secondary device, just because it seems like OnePlus is replacing/has replaced the now dead Nexus line in terms of development.
It would be nice to have a device to just tinker with and install mods, ROMs, kernels, and so on.
But I'd definitely keep the Pixel 2 XL as my daily driver just because of things like the camera and overall smoothness of stock Android.
No... After using Samsung devices for years, I got a Pixel 2 XL for the quick updates despite the missing features compared to the Galaxy S7/S8/S9, and so far I'm pretty happy with my choice and I'm dealing better than I thought I would with the lack of a microSD card reader, wireless charging and minijack audio port.
The way I see it, OnePlus phones are a lose-lose situation: they lack the quick Android updates the Pixel has AND they lack the features that make the Galaxy S7/S8/S9 such great phones (terrific display, IP68, wireless charging, great camera, SD card reader, etc.) so yeah, I'm not interested at all in the OnePlus 6.
For me the only dilemma I have these days is pretty simple: Do I go with the quick Android updates and great user experience +
decent hardware (Pixel) or do I go for all the hardware bells and whistles but a less enjoyable software experience (Galaxy/Note)?
I'm not saying the OnePlus 6 is a bad phone for others, but it's not a phone for me
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I am just curious if anyone here is considering the OnePlus 6?
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The day OnePlus supports Verizon is the day I will spend money on a phone of theirs. I am patiently waiting with money in hand.
Short ans no
Long ans still no
Cheers ?
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Phazonclash said:
No... After using Samsung devices for years, I got a Pixel 2 XL for the quick updates despite the missing features compared to the Galaxy S7/S8/S9, and so far I'm pretty happy with my choice and I'm dealing better than I thought I would with the lack of a microSD card reader, wireless charging and minijack audio port.
The way I see it, OnePlus phones are a lose-lose situation: they lack the quick Android updates the Pixel has AND they lack the features that make the Galaxy S7/S8/S9 such great phones (terrific display, IP68, wireless charging, great camera, SD card reader, etc.) so yeah, I'm not interested at all in the OnePlus 6.
For me the only dilemma I have these days is pretty simple: Do I go with the quick Android updates and great user experience +
decent hardware (Pixel) or do I go for all the hardware bells and whistles but a less enjoyable software experience (Galaxy/Note)?
I'm not saying the OnePlus 6 is a bad phone for others, but it's not a phone for me
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I see your points but just a little devil's advocate here, your missing one of the best reasons to get a OnePlus. It's got the best performance for the money. Yes they've been climbing up in price every year but it's still ~$250-$300 less than comparable Pixel and Galaxy phones. Yet it's one of the fastest in everyday multitasking, great RAM management, and very good battery. Even if they have it rise up to $599 for the higher OnePlus 6 model, it's still a decent savings.
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Not even considering it. 2 reasons for me...the stupid a$$ notch and the camera is junk. And I say the camera is junk because I have no faith in these guys to get it right. And if they did...still have the dumb a$$ notch. No thx.
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No... After using Samsung devices for years, I got a Pixel 2 XL for the quick updates despite the missing features compared to the Galaxy S7/S8/S9, and so far I'm pretty happy with my choice and I'm dealing better than I thought I would with the lack of a microSD card reader, wireless charging and minijack audio port.
The way I see it, OnePlus phones are a lose-lose situation: they lack the quick Android updates the Pixel has AND they lack the features that make the Galaxy S7/S8/S9 such great phones (terrific display, IP68, wireless charging, great camera, SD card reader, etc.) so yeah, I'm not interested at all in the OnePlus 6.
For me the only dilemma I have these days is pretty simple: Do I go with the quick Android updates and great user experience +
decent hardware (Pixel) or do I go for all the hardware bells and whistles but a less enjoyable software experience (Galaxy/Note)?
I'm not saying the OnePlus 6 is a bad phone for others, but it's not a phone for me
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Have you even owned a OnePlus 5T? Doesn't sound like it. You are spreading misinformation. The main developers are former XDA/Custom Rom Devs who were hired to work for OnePlus. They have Beta releases which they freely communicate and offer instructions/support how to install and run. The last Beta 3 had full fling/swipe gestures which at the same time expanded the screen fully, not the bad fling Nav gestures that are on the custom Roms here which still leave the bottom part of the screen blank/Nav space present and don't expand the view/icons etc to the bottom to gain full use. That is fully functioning in the OnePlus 5T Beta 3 released that is rock solid overall with few bugs. The profile of the 5T phone/near frameless/size are all way ahead of the Pixel 2 XL. The AMOLED screen is much better on the 5T than the Pixel XL 2 in every way. To say the screen is good on this phone is ridiculous with all of the verified off angle blue tint and other issues that became a public fiasco for Google. Mind boggling why this phone looks and performs the way it does with Google in control of the process. The only thing they don't have is the camera/software on the OnePlus. They have some of the best Devs who came from XDA/Custom Rom worlds...hence why they were hired to work for them. Read up on those facts/history is you would like. Also, they have some of the good Dev support from XDA, only second I would say to HTC Dev. This new Pixel with Treble has caused a lot of issues, and soon everybody is going to be dealing with, even OnePlus and other manufacturers since they have no choice. So the future should get better for everybody.
Clean Android experience? Oxygen OS is already pretty stripped down. You can run Nova on it like I do with the Pixel, or AOSP or whatever, it is just as generic and they are open to the standard Google Android experience as anybody, with their own twist if you choose to run their launcher.
Memory/processor loaded up on the OnePlus 5T. No SDCard like a lot of phones today, but dual sim slots if you need it. It is a great performing phone, up there with the best for much less money. If they implement VZW band support and improve that camera, I'm ditching this Google Pixel XL 2 phone is a heartbeat. I personally was running the latest Beta 3 on my 5T with swipe gestures and Nova, unlocked, rooted with blu_sprk custom Kernel/TWRP version and it was a phenomenal performer and great phone. Since I don't take a lot of photos and use the camera that much...really not a big deal. I have a $3k SLR if I want to be serious about photography to use.
But to each his own. Only reason I even am using this Pixel is because there are very few phones on VZW which you can unlock the bootloader/root and maintain functionality to customize it. Only other phone you can buy to do this really is a V30+, and even then, not as good as the Pixel 2 XL.
Not in a million years. On contract in the UK you're basically paying top dollar for a sub par phone. Did they ever fix the upside down jelly displays or put a decent cam in them yet?
Mr Patchy Patch said:
Not even considering it. 2 reasons for me...the stupid a$$ notch and the camera is junk. And I say the camera is junk because I have no faith in these guys to get it right. And if they did...still have the dumb a$$ notch. No thx.
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I hate to say it but the notch is the new "no 3.5 mm headphone jack". I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes the majority rather than the minority in another year or two.
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EeZeEpEe said:
I hate to say it but the notch is the new "no 3.5 mm headphone jack". I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes the majority rather than the minority in another year or two.
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I'm forecasting the opposite. After not meeting sales projections for the year, they will drop this notch foolishness like a hot potato.
We each have a 50/50 shot at being correct. I hope I am, btw.
Looking to get back into the Android modding world.
These things are important to me:
Custom Roms / rooting / unlocked bootloader
Fast
Large screen
(Stylus)
Expandable storage
Wireless charging
Don't care about headphone jack
The Note 9 (certain versions, either Exynos chipset or the n9600?) seems to meet all of these criteria, but... the a50 is *so* much cheaper.
Other than the stylus obviously, is the a50 comparable to the Note 9?
I mean, yeah, it is slightly behind in resolution, the scratch-resistance of the glass, the CPU / SOC, RAM (6 GB vs 4 GB), but it has a much better camera (which is kind of important to me, but not a game breaker).
I don't care that the Note 9 is water/dust resistant.
I would be using the phone on Ting here in the U.S.
Edit: I am also considering the Google Pixel (3, 3a xl, 4 XL) and the OnePlus 6T or Pro 7
I say don't get A50 if you want to play around with it. Yes, it's a great value phone, but only for average users. So far there's only few GSI ROMs and it's still somewhat buggy for most people.
Consider a OnePlus phone instead. It has great support for custom ROMs and tweaks.
I've got a Note 9 and the wife has an A50 (which I update etc as she's rather technophobic ... )
They are actually very similar in size, just that the N9 is noticeably heavier - though I personally don't have any issues with that. I use the stylus quite a bit so that's another point in its favour, as is the ability to use custom ROMs/root it/etc. Oh, I'm in the UK so have the Exynos version.
Not sure about the A50 being 'buggy' as the one we have works fine in day to day use on a completely stock ROM. Android 10 should be out for it anytime soon as well.
Oh, and the N9 is also noticeably faster, just installing apps, for example.
That's my experience anyway.
Dude, I don't know where in the US do you live (regarding to phones prices), and I don't mean to be rude, but this question makes no sense at all. You're comparing a flagship phone to a mid-range budget phone from nearly the same time.
It's fairly obvious that a higher-end, more expensive phone will be better in almost every aspect. No need to compare at all: SO MUCH better hardware, absolutely better camera (more quality and functions such as a better pro mode), additional functionality (DeX, MHL), etc. It's only fair... since one retailed for something like 800 dollars (N9) and the other one for around 280 USD...
By the way, I would certainly not recommend Samsung if you're into modding. Samsung phones are OK but they lack a lot of community development and customization mainly because of Exynos chipsets and locked bootloaders. There are obviously a few exceptions such as some international models that use Qualcomm processors, but that's it.
EDIT: what I meant is that the price difference between both phones, translates into A50 being a less capable product in every aspect. It's not bad at all for it's price, but keep in mind it's a 250 dollar phone. If you can afford N9, it's a flagship, and certainly not too old to be relevant in 2020.
If you can't go for it, maybe set for something in the middle like an A70? That one comes with a Snapdragon SoC, which brings support to GCam and stuff.
This phone is a massive 90° turn for google as much on the software side than the hardware.
SO let me know:
1- Are you excited for the GP6 Pro?
2- Do you plan on buying it?
3- What the feature, following the leaks and the I/O that you anticipate the most?
For me :
1- YESSSSSS!!!!!!! (see the title)
2- I'd love to, I'll wait though. I want to see the firsts feedbacks before buying one.
3- To me, the whitechapel SoC really picked my interest a lot. It will either be a deception or a big nice surprise, don't disappoint me Google!
Yes, sort of.
Maybe. I have the Pixel 5: a meh phone, with useless VZ 5G so I turned it off. The only things I'm happy with are battery life, weight/portability, and that I didn't upgrade my plan to a 5G plan.
New in-house chip. I'm not holding my breath on "new and improved" because Google tends to let everyone down prior to announcement, so I'm expecting the same here.
Edit: To be fair, I flipped flopped on buying the Samsung Galaxy 21 Ultra for the camera. What keeps me with Pixel is their call screening. There's been so many of them, the call screening is the best.
I'm buying it the second it's ready!
I'm not excited bcz it has the same 8mp periscope that Vivo, Realme or ZTE etc are using
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I'm not excited bcz it has the same 8mp periscope that Vivo, Realme or ZTE etc are using
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Lol and that shows some ignorance. Those other phones don't use Google's software processing for photos. And that's a HUGE deal.
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Lol and that shows some ignorance. Those other phones don't use Google's software processing for photos. And that's a HUGE deal.
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We can atleast have GCam on other 8mp periscopic phones to get a similar output like GP6 pro. Hence wanted Google to have its in-house sensor or atleast get one from other sensor makers specifically for GP6 pro. PS: those other phone can atleast have GCam and I didn't ignore this.
I'm gonna buy it as soon as I can. I am still running my Pixel 2XL.
1- Yes, finally the Pixel phone we were waiting for.... Hopefully
2- Day One
3- Combination of the Whitechapel SOC and Camera setup. Still not the same amount as the 21 Ultra, one thing Google knows is how to get the best out of hardware they go with. We are talking about the potential capability of iPhone structure but with more modern tech throughout the phone.
I'm very excited as I am for most Pixel releases. I am buying the second it becomes available. I'm afraid if I wait, with the chip shortage, I might miss out if I don't act fast. I am really excited about the new chip and, hopefully, tight integration between software and hardware. I am also really excited for the triple camera setup. Between the nearly 1" sensor, higher resolution and Googles image processing software I am fully expecting them to retake the photo crown back from Apple.
I would like to see eSIM availability on day one. One National carrier, and eSIM for spare carrier/international travel. I sold my Samsung S21+ Unlocked because I couldn’t activate an eSIM!
I have currently a Oneplus 8 Pro. Camera is very average, with Android 11 they moved further away from stock Android, Updates come very slow now that there are newer Oneplus devices (had november security patch until mid february, then we got january patch instead of february...)...
I am so excited for Pixel 6 Pro, as this phone is finally a pixel phone that seems to make no compromises:
Tripple cam
Big Battery
120 hz
Great performance chip (not a hardcote gamer, so must not be top notch for me)
New camera senors...!
I think Pixel 6 Pro will crush it this year.. looks like a S21 Ultra with clean Android.. !! Nice!
But i guess the price tag will be huge, around S21 Ultra launch price (maybe just a little less)
I'm not excited. Mainly because ever since I bought the Pixel 1 and loved it, and used it until a year ago when I got a 512 GB Samsung, I was anticipating getting a 256 GB Pixel as my next upgrade once one was available. I waited four years and now, though, I wouldn't upgrade to another Pixel unless it had 512 GB of internal storage (or have a Micro SD slot, which won't happen with the Pixel). I like my music local and in FLAC, and have my entire library with me. I'm happy that they've finally decided to have 256 GB of storage as an option, but that just won't cut it for me anymore.
I'm extremely apprehensive about this, on one hand it's possibly the flagship Pixel that we've always wanted. On the other hand, it's running a custom chipset that's based on exynos. What does that mean for root access? It seems like exynos chips are always running behind on getting rooted and are generally less efficient than their Snapdragon counterparts. That's complicated by the fact that it's basically a bespoke chip now just for pixel phones.
We'll see, I'm currently holding on with my OnePlus 6t, but OP is dead to me going forward. I was planning on definitely switching to Pixel, but now I'm waiting to see how much access the dev community has to the device
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I'm extremely apprehensive about this, on one hand it's possibly the flagship Pixel that we've always wanted. On the other hand, it's running a custom chipset that's based on exynos. What does that mean for root access? It seems like exynos chips are always running behind on getting rooted and are generally less efficient than their Snapdragon counterparts. That's complicated by the fact that it's basically a bespoke chip now just for pixel phones.
We'll see, I'm currently holding on with my OnePlus 6t, but OP is dead to me going forward. I was planning on definitely switching to Pixel, but now I'm waiting to see how much access the dev community has to the device
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Yes, Oneplus is really not what it once was anymore.
For Exynos Chipset: the exynos Chipset in the S21 Series is great. It is about on the same level than the Snapdragon. Some people even claim it has better battery life and doesnt heat up as much than the Snapdragon version.
Since the Pixel 6 Chip seems to be based on this Exynos Chip with some minor changes, i am sure it will be great!!
It is the first Exynos phone i would buy.
The difference between exynos and snapdragon s21 is not noticable anymore. I m pretty sure that performance and battery will be great.
Mtha86 said:
Yes, Oneplus is really not what it once was anymore.
For Exynos Chipset: the exynos Chipset in the S21 Series is great. It is about on the same level than the Snapdragon. Some people even claim it has better battery life and doesnt heat up as much than the Snapdragon version.
Since the Pixel 6 Chip seems to be based on this Exynos Chip with some minor changes, i am sure it will be great!!
It is the first Exynos phone i would buy.
The difference between exynos and snapdragon s21 is not noticable anymore. I m pretty sure that performance and battery will be great.
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True, while the gap is closing, there is still a gap. That's really not my main holdup, it's getting root without losing too many features.
Google has been tightening the reins on Android for years. Hopefully we will get full root access without many sacrifices, just need to wait and see
The last google phone I purchased was the Nexus 4 at release, then later I got a Nexus 9. The Pixel series has never interested me, especially design wise. If the P6P's renders are accurate it'll be my 1st google device in years.
I've been running Samsung devices the past few years because no Pixel hardware has really impressed me since the 2XL. The software has been great but hardware has been lacking. I desperately want to get back on the Pixel bandwagon and if all these leaks turn out to be accurate this will finally be the phone that does it! I'll be trading in my Note Ultra 20 on it. Wish we didn't have to wait til late September or October.
Yep...I am. I hope the Pro version has a flat screen instead of a curved screen though.
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This phone is a massive 90° turn for google as much on the software side than the hardware.
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1- Are you excited for the GP6 Pro?
2- Do you plan on buying it?
3- What the feature, following the leaks and the I/O that you anticipate the most?
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1. I'm stoked. Haven't been this excited for a Google device since the Galaxy Nexus w/Ice Cream Sandwich, though the Nexus 5 leak accompanied by KitKat ranks up there.
2. I plan on F5'ing the Google Store repeatedly as soon as the presentation starts, so yeah.
3. Whitechapel and, Material You (biggest software overhaul since 4.4). Also it seems like Google gives a darn about hardware now.
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Yep...I am. I hope the Pro version has a flat screen instead of a curved screen.
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With u on this
I'm going in...and have committed to Google's Newest (for now) offering, mainly, due to my ADHD/OCD advisement and my current Pixel is pretty much taken care of thanks to the
platform offered by our great allies @ SWAPPA!
Given the purported IP67 rating & considerably larger power-source over the 4a(5G), I'm fully aware of the fact these two handsets are damn near twins, I decided not long ago I wouldn't be a Pixel 6 taker(when/if offered this fall).
As always, comments, opinions, and yes, even some fun ridicule are always welcomed!
Stay clear of the delta variant, & safe journeys!
To each their own.
But I can't force myself to pay $450 for an 18% larger battery. Considering that my current rooted Pixel with custom rom and excellent tuning will last through the entire day 100% of the time. The 15% brighter screen, coupled with 1/4" larger size, and 65,000 more pixels, and a 50% faster refresh -- will absolutely cancel out any increase in battery size, and then some. Its SOT time will suffer considerably, and almost certainly be worse than 4a 5g. Then there's the 30w charging. Supposedly the Pixel 4a 5g tops out at 18w. But this is demonstrably false. My own charging maxes out at nearly 27w. 9v @ 2850mah. So again, this is of zero benefit. The 10% faster charge rate would still require about 10% longer to charge with the larger battery... that again, would likely discharge at a much faster rate than the 4a 5g. IP67 is nice, but again... its not worth $400. Especially considering that I can literally throw my current Pixel 4a 5g into the ocean... twice... and just buy 'new' ones for less money. :-/
I mean, if it had the new Tensor cpu... and a ultra premium camera, rather than the same 12.2mp thats been in it for the last 4 years. Some cool new features like under display front camera and fingerprint.
But its literally the same effin phone. Google is now following the same identical business model as Apple. Upgrades that aren't -- well... upgrades.
The biggest change between the 4a and 5a? the 4 and the 5 in the model number. Its disgusting to me.
Do you really not have anything better to spend your $450 on?? I mean, thats a years worth of car insurance. Or 2 car payments. Or Rent. Or 6 escort services. Or a weekend in Vegas. Or 4 pixel 4a 5g's off craigslist that youd set on fire and record it in 4k while playing Freebird in the background.
Just what he said! (Is the same friking phone)..
bubbyj said:
To each their own.
But I can't force myself to pay $450 for an 18% larger battery. Considering that my current rooted Pixel with custom rom and excellent tuning will last through the entire day 100% of the time. The 15% brighter screen, coupled with 1/4" larger size, and 65,000 more pixels, and a 50% faster refresh -- will absolutely cancel out any increase in battery size, and then some. Its SOT time will suffer considerably, and almost certainly be worse than 4a 5g. Then there's the 30w charging. Supposedly the Pixel 4a 5g tops out at 18w. But this is demonstrably false. My own charging maxes out at nearly 27w. 9v @ 2850mah. So again, this is of zero benefit. The 10% faster charge rate would still require about 10% longer to charge with the larger battery... that again, would likely discharge at a much faster rate than the 4a 5g. IP67 is nice, but again... its not worth $400. Especially considering that I can literally throw my current Pixel 4a 5g into the ocean... twice... and just buy 'new' ones for less money. :-/
I mean, if it had the new Tensor cpu... and a ultra premium camera, rather than the same 12.2mp thats been in it for the last 4 years. Some cool new features like under display front camera and fingerprint.
But its literally the same effin phone. Google is now following the same identical business model as Apple. Upgrades that aren't -- well... upgrades.
The biggest change between the 4a and 5a? the 4 and the 5 in the model number. Its disgusting to me.
Do you really not have anything better to spend your $450 on?? I mean, thats a years worth of car insurance. Or 2 car payments. Or Rent. Or 6 escort services. Or a weekend in Vegas. Or 4 pixel 4a 5g's off craigslist that youd set on fire and record it in 4k while playing Freebird in the background.
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Right On!
My thoughts are that the 5a 5G is what the 4a 5G should've been to begin with (but of course that would've made it too similar to the 5 at the time of release). I'm happy with my 4a 5G and at the same time a little bummed that I needed a phone urgently three months ago and got that. I might consider a Pixel 6 Pro after some months.
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My thoughts are that the 5a 5G is what the 4a 5G should've been to begin with (but of course that would've made it too similar to the 5 at the time of release). I'm happy with my 4a 5G and at the same time a little bummed that I needed a phone urgently three months ago and got that. I might consider a Pixel 6 Pro after some months.
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Yeah, I feel you on that, kinda going through that myself but decided not to purchase either.
For one, the Pixel 6 isn't really a choice, right?! Not too many folks are going to buy a new handset that's playing second string. I noticed immediately when I started looking, the 256 & 512gb P6P's we're already gone, just the 128gb's stg. we're left. What's more, the P6 had the 256 & 128gb's on hand, but then the slower/lower display refresh rate and reduced RAM (<2gb) kinda talk you out of it. The P6P's we're definitely Google's choice for new buyers, as I noticed their Google store site was all centered around the Big Gun, and that's just marketing. You had to do a little digging around the site to find a P6 to send to your cart, whereas google.had the device comparison all set-up when you selected their choice, or the P6P model! No freebies, neither, that hit me right from the start....no $10.00 off your order like I had when purchasing my P5a.
I'm not gonna spring for neither at the present, but will keep an eye on their new SoC, Tensor, to see how it performs and such. It's kinda like when you're out shopping for a new ride and you see a new model & it's one you like, but then that old school rule of thumb kicks in to remind 'ya don't buy it if there's a major component change (like the engine, etc) & it's in it's model year? Sorry for rambling, but believe it or not this was my mindset, and helped me to decide to wait this one out, at least for the time being.
Some people just have to have the latest and greatest, regardless of what improvement it might bring them. Kinda like the iStuff folks. I like the idea of assessing cost vs benefit - like how much money are you spending for what sort of difference. I bought my Pixel 2 after it had already been out for a year, and used that until I upgraded to the Pixel 5 earlier this year...and only because the battery was showing its age. I won't be upgrading to the 6, and the only reason why I got the 5 over the 4a was because I wanted a bigger battery. If the 4a 5g were still in stock, I'd get one for my wife to replace her Pixel 3.
Who knows, now that the 6 is out, we might see a price cut on the older devices?
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Some people just have to have the latest and greatest, regardless of what improvement it might bring them. Kinda like the iStuff folks. I like the idea of assessing cost vs benefit - like how much money are you spending for what sort of difference. I bought my Pixel 2 after it had already been out for a year, and used that until I upgraded to the Pixel 5 earlier this year...and only because the battery was showing its age. I won't be upgrading to the 6, and the only reason why I got the 5 over the 4a was because I wanted a bigger battery. If the 4a 5g were still in stock, I'd get one for my wife to replace her Pixel 3.
Who knows, now that the 6 is out, we might see a price cut on the older devices?
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I'm with ya buddy. As you can see, I stated the same identical thing in an earlier post here. Pixel took a page from the iPhone handbook and made it their own. An upgrade that's not an upgrade. Changing the name of a device is not an upgrade.
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I'm with ya buddy. As you can see, I stated the same identical thing in an earlier post here. Pixel took a page from the iPhone handbook and made it their own. An upgrade that's not an upgrade. Changing the name of a device is not an upgrade.
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I would disagree. The Pixel 6 / 6 Pro are kinda revolutionary in the sense that they're on the Tensor SoC platform whereas all Pixel and Nexus devices since the Nexus 4 in 2012 have used Qualcomm Snapdragon. This is Google's first venture using in-house designed hardware, although the Tensor is quite similar to the Exynos platform. The Tensor makes some compromises to accommodate the TPU, so it seems like Google is investing a lot in AI hardware; both the SD888 and Exynos 2100 easily outperform so it will be interesting to see what happens with the next generation.
But, I can see your point on the upgrade perspective; it's worth noting that the Nexus/Pixel line has never exactly been cutting edge. Google has typically opted for mid-range processors in most devices. I think the purpose of the Pixel line really is aimed at the "Google experience" - Android more or less in its native form, with the Google suite fully integrated. You can certainly make the argument that this has been Apple's model for quite some time, but it obviously works - people keep buying iStuff with the latest number even though it looks and performs pretty much the same as the previous generation.
Was so confusing considering buying either the 4a 5G or 5a 5G. And I ended up with the Pixel 4a 5g, just for the google photos unlimited backup
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I would disagree. The Pixel 6 / 6 Pro are kinda revolutionary in the sense that they're on the Tensor SoC platform whereas all Pixel and Nexus devices since the Nexus 4 in 2012 have used Qualcomm Snapdragon. This is Google's first venture using in-house designed hardware, although the Tensor is quite similar to the Exynos platform. The Tensor makes some compromises to accommodate the TPU, so it seems like Google is investing a lot in AI hardware; both the SD888 and Exynos 2100 easily outperform so it will be interesting to see what happens with the next generation.
But, I can see your point on the upgrade perspective; it's worth noting that the Nexus/Pixel line has never exactly been cutting edge. Google has typically opted for mid-range processors in most devices. I think the purpose of the Pixel line really is aimed at the "Google experience" - Android more or less in its native form, with the Google suite fully integrated. You can certainly make the argument that this has been Apple's model for quite some time, but it obviously works - people keep buying iStuff with the latest number even though it looks and performs pretty much the same as the previous generation.
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You're not disagreeing at all *with me*. Because I made no such statement -- that the Pixel 6/Pro wasn't an upgrade over the older phones.
In fact, we are in full agreement --- the Pixel 6 and Pro are among the best phones ever made IMO. The camera alone is revolutionary. The new 50mp 4/1 binned camera is the best in the business at this very moment. Couple that with the Tensor and its AI computing, mixed with the Gcam's computational photography core... Nothing even comes close. A huge battery, with a 5nm process.... its just a beautiful device inside and out.
But again, I never made a single comment regarding the Pixel 6/pro. The OP/title is discussing the Pixel 4a 5g vs the Pixel 5a.
My post is discussing the 4a 5g vs 5a, as well.
I'm not sure how anyone could confuse that.
With the 5a, my post and statement still stand strong. Its an 'upgrade' in name only. And google appears to be exploiting name changes as upgrades, much like the cult of iWhatever.
There's literally no difference between an 8 and 10.
-same main camera 12mp dual pixel
-same selfie camera 7mp
-same battery 2700mah
-same processor A11
-same gpu Tri-Core Bionic
-same ram 3gb
-same storage 64/128/256
-same ssd type (NVMe)
-same cell bands (4g LTE)
-same wifi adapter (a/b/g/n/ac 2.4 and 5, no 6)
-same essential size (5.5" vs 5.7")
The only 2 and real differences:
-the iPhone 8 scores HIGHER on GeekBench!!
-the identical iPhone X was $300 more at $999 vs $699 for the iPhone 8.
This is nothing short of delusional and psychotic. $300 for a name change, and a 3% bigger screen, and a 4% drop in benchmark scores.
The pixel 5a is exactly the same scenario. Its benchmark scores are actually fractionally lower. And nothing else is really different. Its battery life is essentially the same as the 4a5g, even though its bigger... due to its fractionally larger and brighter screen.
Its fraudulent. And everybody should be able to recognize this. Those that don't, likely deserve the abuse.
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You're not disagreeing at all *with me*. Because I made no such statement -- that the Pixel 6/Pro wasn't an upgrade over the older phones.
In fact, we are in full agreement --- the Pixel 6 and Pro are among the best phones ever made IMO. The camera alone is revolutionary. The new 50mp 4/1 binned camera is the best in the business at this very moment. Couple that with the Tensor and its AI computing, mixed with the Gcam's computational photography core... Nothing even comes close. A huge battery, with a 5nm process.... its just a beautiful device inside and out.
But again, I never made a single comment regarding the Pixel 6/pro. The OP/title is discussing the Pixel 4a 5g vs the Pixel 5a.
My post is discussing the 4a 5g vs 5a, as well.
I'm not sure how anyone could confuse that.
With the 5a, my post and statement still stand strong. Its an 'upgrade' in name only. And google appears to be exploiting name changes as upgrades, much like the cult of iWhatever.
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The Pixel "a" series has always been intended as a "budget" alternative via compromises on hardware and storage. The 4a 5G and 5a are almost identical - they both use the SD765G, same as the Pixel 5. The biggest differences are the 5a is slightly bigger and has a much larger battery. So in that sense, I suppose I could agree with you - the only way a 5a would be an upgrade over the 4a 5g would be battery life. Kind of an odd marketing strategy if you ask me; the 4a 5g could have easily been the 5a, and the 5a could have just had the same hardware as the 5 and become the 5XL.
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There's literally no difference between an 8 and 10.
-same main camera 12mp dual pixel
-same selfie camera 7mp
-same battery 2700mah
-same processor A11
-same gpu Tri-Core Bionic
-same ram 3gb
-same storage 64/128/256
-same ssd type (NVMe)
-same cell bands (4g LTE)
-same wifi adapter (a/b/g/n/ac 2.4 and 5, no 6)
-same essential size (5.5" vs 5.7")
The only 2 and real differences:
-the iPhone 8 scores HIGHER on GeekBench!!
-the identical iPhone X was $300 more at $999 vs $699 for the iPhone 8.
This is nothing short of delusional and psychotic. $300 for a name change, and a 3% bigger screen, and a 4% drop in benchmark scores.
The pixel 5a is exactly the same scenario. Its benchmark scores are actually fractionally lower. And nothing else is really different. Its battery life is essentially the same as the 4a5g, even though its bigger... due to its 90hz and brighter screen.
Its fraudulent. And everybody should be able to recognize this. Those that don't, likely deserve the abuse.
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I'm not sure I would go so far as to decry this as "fraudulent" or "abuse". Generation wise, the Pixel a has always come after the namesake model. I do consider it odd that there's both a 4a and a 4a (5G), with different hardware, and they were only released 3 months apart; it almost seems like Google could have just gone with the 4/4XL, 4a, then the 5 and 5a.
And, with the Pixel 6/6 Pro having identical CPUs but nearly double the RAM and definitely double the storage on the Pro....it does kinda seem like they're going Apple.
But, people still buy it. I've always considered the iStuff model a ripoff too and if Google does the same thing, it'll still be a ripoff. But, they will keep doing it because people will keep buying the phones. Including myself. Though I'll probably wait a bit longer before I upgrade again. I came to the Pixel 5 from the 2.
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Was so confusing considering buying either the 4a 5G or 5a 5G. And I ended up with the Pixel 4a 5g, just for the google photos unlimited backup
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Good call. I've found 4a 5g's on the used (and perfect condition) market for $150.
The 5a 5g has been a huge bust for Google too.
when the 4a 5g came out, it was obviously the deal of a lifetime. You essential got a Pixel 5 for half the price. The only real differences are the IP68 rating, a metal frame, and 90hz display.
The 8% larger battery is more than eaten up by the 50% faster display refresh on the Pixel 5.
So the Pixel 4a 5g was an amazing deal upon introduction. But considering you can get Pixel 5's for $250 on the used market today, anyone who would spend $500 on a 5a is glutten for punishment.
Sadly, the 6a rumor mills are in universal agreement -- it'll use the same 12.2mp IMX 363 main camera as every pixel has used since #2 was released. Which in itself isn't necessarily a *bad* thing. But its tired. And should be REtired.
The 6a should be coming with the 50mp sensor.
I'm a camera guy and make my living as a photographer. I exclusively use the Pixel 4a 5g as my camera, which blows most people's mind -- as they often use $2000+ DSLR camera's. The fact that I can do everything they can with a cheap phone, is just unheard of.
In fact, I created cost/effectiveness ratio's of today's leading phones. The gold standard for benchmarking camera's is the legendary dxoMark score. It takes about a dozen benchmarks into consideration and creates a single score using their proprietary formula. Here is a list of my c/e ratio's (LOWER IS BETTER, scored as dollar per 1 point)
Galaxy S21 Ultra: 121 @ $1200 $ 9.91
Galaxy zFold 3: 124 @ $1800 $14.52
iPhone XS Max: 106 @ $1100 $10.38
xPeria 1 III: 114 @ $1300 $11.41
Google Pixel 5: 120 @ $700 $ 5.83
One Plus 9 Pro: 124 @ $970 $ 7.82
Iphone 13 Max: 137 @ $1100 $ 8.03
And then....
GOOGLE PIXEL 4A 5G 120 @ 350 $ 2.91
While I realize that the camera isn't the only thing that people look for in a phone. CPU's are super important. Pixels per inch. Battery size.
But the great fact of phones is this and nothing less: The average phone buyer is NOT a power user. They take selfies, stalk on facebook, check email, send texts, watch netlfix/porn, and maybe listen to some music. Which means 90% of users can literally tell ZERO difference between using an iphone 13 pro and a samsung a12. I mean, having the facebook app open in 0.8 seconds vs 1.1 seconds is the biggest difference between the two phones and uses.
The 5a and the 4a5 literally have the same capabilities, at the same speeds, with the same results, and same user experience. Its highway robbery.
V0latyle said:
The Pixel "a" series has always been intended as a "budget" alternative via compromises on hardware and storage. The 4a 5G and 5a are almost identical - they both use the SD765G, same as the Pixel 5. The biggest differences are the 5a is slightly bigger and has a much larger battery. So in that sense, I suppose I could agree with you - the only way a 5a would be an upgrade over the 4a 5g would be battery life. Kind of an odd marketing strategy if you ask me; the 4a 5g could have easily been the 5a, and the 5a could have just had the same hardware as the 5 and become the 5XL.
I'm not sure I would go so far as to decry this as "fraudulent" or "abuse". Generation wise, the Pixel a has always come after the namesake model. I do consider it odd that there's both a 4a and a 4a (5G), with different hardware, and they were only released 3 months apart; it almost seems like Google could have just gone with the 4/4XL, 4a, then the 5 and 5a.
And, with the Pixel 6/6 Pro having identical CPUs but nearly double the RAM and definitely double the storage on the Pro....it does kinda seem like they're going Apple.
But, people still buy it. I've always considered the iStuff model a ripoff too and if Google does the same thing, it'll still be a ripoff. But, they will keep doing it because people will keep buying the phones. Including myself. Though I'll probably wait a bit longer before I upgrade again. I came to the Pixel 5 from the 2.
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As I pointed out earlier the 'much larger battery' is a fraudulent claim. Its larger in 'name only'.
Youtube has multiple videos of the 4a 5g, the 5a, and the 5 going head to head on battery life tests. The one that I watched in full shows that the pixel 5a is at 5% at the moment the 4a 5g shuts down. They are using the same battery drain test app, with the screen brightest adjusted to the same level. Whats most interesting about this test is that the pixel 5a is freshly unboxed and has a 100% new and unused battery. So it hasn't lost any of its charging abilities. The user states that the Pixel 4a 5g used in the test has 7 months worth of daily drains and recharges. Likely over 200 charging cycles. According to all available information, 5% battery life is lost per 100 charges. So its safe to say that Pixel 4a5 used has about 90% life at this point. Meaning, a fresh 4a5 will likely perform equally or better than the 5a because of its 65k less pixels, and 10-12% dimmer screen at max brightness. So that perk/plus is out the window. The larger battery is simply to compensate for its faster burn rate.
To repeat and beat an already dead horse... The 4a5 and the 5a are basically the same phones with different names printed on them. The 6 and the Pro however are vastly different, with major and awesome upgrades between the two -- fully justifying the 'pro moniker'.
1)Pro has a MAJOR screen upgrade. It goes from a 2400x1080 screen to a 3120x1440p. Thats the difference between 4.5 million pixels and 2.5 million pixels. A nearly 100% increase in resolution. The difference is palpable. And your eyes are immediately turned onto it.
2)Pro has a 33% faster frame rate. 120hz, vs just a 60-90hz variable rate for the 6. Scrolling feels like another entire world when you compare the two. The 6's GPU will support hundreds of frames per second with many of todays graphically intense games... but the screen will only show 60 of those frames for most games (as they aren't built for variable hz rates) and even if they are, it'll only show 90fps at the very best due to the screen limitations. The Pro, however, will show 120fps. Again, its like you're in another world. Anyone who thinks you can't tell the difference, i urge them to swap between 30fps and 60fps on their google camera app... you'll never ever go back to 30fps again, because the difference is THAT profound. Truly.
3)Pro has a 3rd and absolutely incredible camera -- the first telephoto camera in the google lineup. This provides 4x optical zoom. Optical zoom loses ZERO resolution and quality for the 1st 4x zoom. Couple this with the super resolution function of dual pixel technology, the tensor's AI, and google camera's superior computational core --- you can literally zoom up to 10-12x on this camera without a single visual loss of resolution. Its incredible.
4)Pro has a VASTLY upgraded selfie camera. With 40% more resolution, much larger pixel size for increased light intake and color contrast output... the difference is night and day. In fact, its self camera rivals the main sensors on most any other phone on the market.
5)Pro has a >5000mah battery.
6)Pro has 50% more RAM. But not just 'more'... its also 33% faster with its bandwidth and the actual processing of memory.
7)Pro has 25% more Pixels per inch, 2x more color contrast, and 10% brighter screen.
8)Pro has mmWave and Ultrawide band on ALL models. The 6 requires an upgrade to the "mmWave UW" model to achieve this.
9)Pro has a half terabyte model, not avaialble on the 6.
Now... can you see why this isn't apple "upgrades"??
But when you compare the 4a5 and the 5a.... I'd literally be typingj 1)same, 2)same, 3)same, 4)same, etc.
V0latyle said:
I would disagree. The Pixel 6 / 6 Pro are kinda revolutionary in the sense that they're on the Tensor SoC platform whereas all Pixel and Nexus devices since the Nexus 4 in 2012 have used Qualcomm Snapdragon. This is Google's first venture using in-house designed hardware, although the Tensor is quite similar to the Exynos platform. The Tensor makes some compromises to accommodate the TPU, so it seems like Google is investing a lot in AI hardware; both the SD888 and Exynos 2100 easily outperform so it will be interesting to see what happens with the next generation.
But, I can see your point on the upgrade perspective; it's worth noting that the Nexus/Pixel line has never exactly been cutting edge. Google has typically opted for mid-range processors in most devices. I think the purpose of the Pixel line really is aimed at the "Google experience" - Android more or less in its native form, with the Google suite fully integrated. You can certainly make the argument that this has been Apple's model for quite some time, but it obviously works - people keep buying iStuff with the latest number even though it looks and performs pretty much the same as the previous generation.
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I tend to agree...the only thing I would add is it seemed just a short while ago Google was pulling away from Samsung and beginning to go their own way and then came the Tensor, which we know Google asked the monopolizing conglomerate, Samsung for some pointers, etc., and a handshake later, maybe a partner?! Don't get me wrong, since abandoning ship (uh, that's Samsung's Flag-ship), one of the things that no price tag could cure was having 2 apps (1 Google & 1 Samsung) for everyday usage stuff tho I prefer "Native Android" too in lieu of Google! My handset isn't bogged.down with as much bloatware and when scrolling my app drawer I DON'T SEE, total apps on device=507!
And my point's in here somewhere, I promise, and Google, I get it, why take a huge risk to totally reinvent the wheel if it's not necessary but then are we gonna see the same dropoff from customer goodwill from Google as some saw from Samsung, (i.e., everyone remembers where it all started) with the Note 7 debaucle?! When Samsung finished, and tied a neat little bow on it, several thousand (dare I say million) of us were left holding our "junk" in one hand & the Galaxy Note 7 FE (fan edition, yeah which, btw, I offered up to them, hey guys let's call it: Galaxy Note 7 FS, you know for Fuc#'s Sake...no takers on that one)!
Let's hope/pray Google with it's latest Flagship challenge, decide to hold fast to a higher customer goodwill standard so not as to mirror the outcome that their "new" S.Korean SOc chipset partners had. Sorry I turned my "reply/add to" into the makings of a sound-off platform, God forbid. smh
evnStevn
p.s..dammit man, I know better, but Is it just me, or does anyone else see a striking resemblance with the new Pixel line and the historical Galaxy S10 series, forgoing the huge camera bump? It might be these old eyes, idk
evnStevn said:
I tend to agree...the only thing I would add is it seemed just a short while ago Google was pulling away from Samsung and beginning to go their own way and then the Tensor which admittedly Samsung is their partner on this?! Don't get me wrong, since abandoning ship (uh, that's Samsung's Flag-ship), one of the things that no price tag could cure was having 2 apps (1 Google & 1 Samsung) for everyday usage stuff tho I prefer "Native Android" too in lieu of Google! My handset isn't bogged.down with as much bloatware and when scrolling my app drawer I DON'T SEE total apps on device=507
And my point's in here somewhere, I promise, and Google, I get it, why take a huge risk to totally reinvent the wheel if it's not necessary but then are we gonna see the same dropoff from customer goodwill from Google as some saw from Samsung, (i.e., everyone remembers where it all started) with the Note 7 debaucle?! When Samsung finished, and tied a neat little bow on it, several thousand (dare I say million) of us were left holding our "junk" in one hand & the Galaxy Note 7 FE (fan edition, yeah which, btw, I offered up to them, hey guys let's call it: Galaxy Note 7 FS, you know for Fuc#'s Sake...no takers on that one)!
Let's hope/pray Google with it's latest Flagship challenge, decide to hold fast to a higher customer goodwill standard so not as to mirror the outcome that their "new" S.Korean SOc chipset partners had. Sorry I turned my "reply/add to" into the makings of a sound-off platform, God forbid. smh
evnStevn
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For sure. Samsung is one of the worst offenders with bloatware. My opinion on hardware as well as operating systems is thus: Allow users to have the freedom to choose whatever cloud integration they want. Samsung is trying their damnedest to break into cloud services and AI like Google, but I can't say I have ever been particularly impressed with anything they've had to offer. Besides, people like convenience - most users would rather have "One Account - One Google" instead of having to have a Samsung account, a Verizon account, etc. It's one thing to have the option - it's another entirely to have everything default to one option, and to try to discourage users from using competitors' options.
Microsoft is particularly bad at this with Edge. I prefer Google, including Chrome, for most of my services...simply from a perspective of convenience. They've done a pretty good job of streamlining everything. But, Microsoft has been particularly insistent on use of Edge...even for enterprise platforms (I use Windows 10 LTSC). When I changed the default browser, Windows was like "But have you tried Edge?" Nope, don't want it. "Are you SURE?" Yep. I'm sure. "Okay, we're going to install it for you anyway, and every once in a while we'll ask you again just in case you change your mind."
Yeah, no. I'm a stubborn old mule. The more someone tries to convince me to do something, the less likely I am to even consider it. And if I've made my decision yet you pester me anyway, I'm DEFINITELY not going to change my answer.
and did Microsoft put those fake Chrome browser links out there to fool folks when trying to download their favorite and best established browser...how dare I suggest such a thing?! Preposterous!!
Jump to 29:40 for the interesting part.
It appears that Google originally planned to release the Pixel 5 with the first Tensor iteration, meaning the Pixel 6 (Pro) would have been released with a refined, better Tensor V2. But since COVID and the supply chain issue struck, those plans were scrapped.
I believe that's quite interesting, since there are many people out there that are not quite content with the powerlevel and powerdraw that Tensor has. It would have been a far more impressive chip last year (edit: 2020^^), since Tensor in late 2021 doesn't wholeheartedly scream "Flagship" in consideration of the competition out there. If Tensor 2 had some improvements in the efficiency department, that could have elevated the P6 Pro beyond most other Flagships, since even with a powerhungry mammoth of a 2BIG2MEDIUM4SMALL cores, it can still offer a decent batterylife.
This "confirmation" also kinda confirms my own thoughts about the Pixel 5. I never really understood why Google went from a highend device (Pixel 4) to a medium-range lackluster (P5 - I know the camera is still great and the battery life is good, but beyond that the phone feels like a downgrade to the Pixel 4. It feels cheap (plastic), there were so many features compared scrapped to the previous iteration and on top of that, the phone only got 100 bucks cheaper.
Ooh yes! But if there's one thing I've learned from holding out for next years promise of a better device, it is that you're in for a disappointment. Sure, there may be an improvement in one area, but often there's a change or a compromise in another area. For most people, it'd make the most sense to upgrade when their old phone goes dead or they find a phone that meets most their needs without major drawbacks.
Even with the first generation of Tensor, I think the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro are doing an incredibly good job and certainly don't feel last-gen. Who knows if the iteration of Tensor that we got in our devices is the one that was planned for 2020 or rather updated to not fall hopelessly behind the competition in 2021 .