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Is there any reason why neither a keyword or tag search for "[ROM]" (without quotes) yields zero results?
If I want to find a list of all [ROM] titled/tagged threads to look at the range of ROM's available; what is the best way to go about it?
Am I being a noob or is there a fundamental search flaw?
Well...
I can think in 3 search criteria:
1. Go to the upgrading section of your device
2. use Wiki to find all cooked and shiped ROM´s
3. Use the XDA fttp
Windza said:
Is there any reason why neither a keyword or tag search for "[ROM]" (without quotes) yields zero results?
If I want to find a list of all [ROM] titled/tagged threads to look at the range of ROM's available; what is the best way to go about it?
Am I being a noob or is there a fundamental search flaw?
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A few months back I actually dug through the advanced search code in vBulletin (trust me, it's terrible code). I may be mistaken, but I believe that it doesn't allow keywords of 3 or less letters unless there's extra parameters (like boolean operators and more keywords). Don't hold me on that, I'd have to look again to be sure.
One of these days if I remember, I'll go hunting through the code again to confirm that and update the wiki page I wrote (link is in my signature) with the answer to this.
mikechannon said:
Indeed words of less than 4 letters will not search. BUT if you click on advanced searh then choose search using Google at the top, it will search for 3 letter words.
Or you could use this:
Search XDA-Devs Forums or Wiki
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The problem with using google in this case is that it's not context aware of the forum threads. I think he's looking to see a large list of the different roms. With google, he's going to get search results including several different pages per rom and no way to sort the results. It would be faster to just click next through each page of the rom dev forum for the selected phone...which is almost as good as getting the intended search results from searching for [ROM]....
It makes me wonder how hard it would be to patch the issue in vBulletin and get better search results than Google can produce.
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It makes me wonder how hard it would be to patch the issue in vBulletin and get better search results than Google can produce.
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If everybody can do the same thing as google did, google will not be google, I mean, the #1 internet company in the world.
I am just wondering that can anybody produce a code like the search link on this page.[Edit: I want to add several more sites as searching range to that one, can you figure it out?]
wg5566 said:
If everybody can do the same thing as google did, google will not be google, I mean, the #1 internet company in the world.
I am just wondering that can anybody produce a code like the search link on this page.[Edit: I want to add several more sites as searching range to that one, can you figure it out?]
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I wasn't talking about producing a better search engine, only fixing the known bugs. Things like the incorrect handling of sorting by relevancy (as detailed in the wiki page I wrote), the 4+ letter requirement on search terms, and maybe even giving it grouping capability. The first two aren't even hard to change, though the 4+ letter requirement is performance based, so it might be good to re-engineer some stuff. The grouping is trickier, but not even remotely an expert-level task (though it too has some performance implications).
Google doesn't have the know-how to separate or understand the context of searching only a certain group (or set of groups). It doesn't know how to search ONLY the topic and not the text body (or vice versa), etc. All of that data is separate and stuck in the database in different fields, which makes it WAY easier to search. We can have better search results than google because we have better access to the data, we just have to work through vBulletin's very simple code.
Yes agree. It is a shame that I found sometimes (or many times?) using the integrated search engine is not as good as just using 'search site by google'.
In my opinion, the 4letter+ issue is not as important as others. It is only reasonable to set such a reqirement and in most cases we don't need to search a word with less than 4 letters.
But I feel like lucky that I asked my question to the right person. Would you please spend a little time on help some clue for the question in my last post? Thanks in advance.
It will be wonderful if we can set google to search on limited range only like: xda-devs, ppcgeeks, msdn, pda4x, ppcfreeware, etc.
wg5566 said:
Yes agree. It is a shame that I found sometimes (or many times?) using the integrated search engine is not as good as just using 'search site by google'.
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I think it depends on what is being searched for. Most RL friends know me for instantly hitting google to search on almost anything, but for this site I actually do use the integrated search most of the time. A well formed search here is still better than most results on google unless you need to use some pretty advanced searches that only Google can understand.
wg5566 said:
In my opinion, the 4letter+ issue is not as important as others. It is only reasonable to set such a reqirement and in most cases we don't need to search a word with less than 4 letters.
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GPS, WM6, SIM, GSM, SD, ROM, CAB
Just to name a few....
wg5566 said:
But I feel like lucky that I asked my question to the right person. Would you please spend a little time on help some clue for the question in my last post? Thanks in advance.
It will be wonderful if we can set google to search on limited range only like: xda-devs, ppcgeeks, msdn, pda4x, ppcfreeware, etc.
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I'm about to pick on you just a bit...
Did you consider searching Google for 'Google Custom Search'? Fourth result down there's a step-by-step guide that explains it easily and also pushes the value of it when combined with AdSense. This is a search thread after all
I admit, I'm glad to have stumbled onto setting up that feature with adsense because I would actually like to use it just for my own site I'm setting up shortly.
Thanks a lot, I got it.
One more noob question(web design is apparently not my area), can I set it in a local page like this, bcz I don't own a website myself? [Edit: Never Mind, Got It!]
Later on after setup your site, pls pm me a link.
Tx.
Edit: Just tried to create my own search engine, take a look here
Edit: Wonderful! Yeah! So happy today.
Windza said:
Is there any reason why neither a keyword or tag search for "[ROM]" (without quotes) yields zero results?
If I want to find a list of all [ROM] titled/tagged threads to look at the range of ROM's available; what is the best way to go about it?
Am I being a noob or is there a fundamental search flaw?
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It yields zero results because the word is too short.
Searching for ROM version #s
I just ran into a search problem myself. I was searching for radio version 1.14.25.05. The google search took me to a long thread, so I thought I'd just search for "1.14.25.05". It didn't return any results, so I assumed this version wasn't there. It wasn't until I asked for help on a new thread that I was embarrassed by someone who told me it was on post #2. I had incorrectly trusted search. With version #s being so important to what xda-developers is all about, having a robust thread search is critical. Any thoughts on possible improvements? Are there settings in this software that could be changed?
John
Searching for a 3-letter result... "YES" we can
So basically, everyone says to use "search" on XDA devs to look for answers for your questions, but nobody says "you should use google search if any word you're looking for is three letters or less"..... like SMS.
It's frustrating, following the rules, being told to follow the rules, then finding out following the rules didn't work anyways.
Fixing this nonsense would be great. Even removing the 'built-in forum search' entirely....? just a thought.
Apart from that, thanks for hosting an amazing site, full of talented, hard-working people and their efforts... if you can find them hehe
pimpmydragon said:
So basically, everyone says to use "search" on XDA devs to look for answers for your questions, but nobody says "you should use google search if any word you're looking for is three letters or less"..... like SMS.
It's frustrating, following the rules, being told to follow the rules, then finding out following the rules didn't work anyways.
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The rule is there to prevent people from asking questions that can be answered by either search engine we use. For a rule to work it needs to be short and to the point, no one will even try to read the rules if every rule is explained in detail.
pimpmydragon said:
Fixing this nonsense would be great. Even removing the 'built-in forum search' entirely....? just a thought.
Apart from that, thanks for hosting an amazing site, full of talented, hard-working people and their efforts... if you can find them hehe
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We're well aware that the vB search engine isn't perfect but neither is the one from google. That is why we give you the option to use both.
I'm well aware that this can be confusing at times but simply searching for "how to search xda-developers.com?" would have given you this thread wich explains in the first post that you can use google and that we implemented it because the vB search doesn't allow words with less than 4 characters.
Best regards,
Flar
Site admin
p.s. I always use the search in the navbar first I noticed later that my example search string gives really crappy results in the vb search.
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Apart from that, thanks for hosting an amazing site, full of talented, hard-working people and their efforts... if you can find them hehe
we are only a PM away.
Flar said:
The rule is there to prevent people from asking questions that can be answered by either search engine we use. For a rule to work it needs to be short and to the point, no one will even try to read the rules if every rule is explained in detail.
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I believe many users never read site rules. Once we register on any web-site, there always be a rule or a terms-of-use, and people's habit would be just click on 'Agree' without a glance at the content, since they are all similiar.
But we have a way to force new users to learn how to search and view the site. Simply change the rule to: New users can not post within say first 50 online hours after registered. Then they have to view and search first, especially if they came with some question or urgent problem to be solved.I think Vbulletin has the function of online-time statistics.
Just an idea for consideration, I don't know it will be practical or not.
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I believe many users never read site rules.
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The Forum Rules announcement has >51,000 views since march... not bad
Dave
Yes, looks like the situation is better. It works especially by continuous remindment everuwhere. What about number of new users since then?
Edit: Remindment like this works, thanks for everybody's effort. A further thought is: If everybody already read it, but still a lot don't follow it. That may be caused by some human nature for urgently need an answer for his question. Noticed MODs' effort like your goodself to execute the rule, it helped.
Sorry i'm not quoting people here, i'm typing this on my phone.
First, the number of people reading the rules is far less than the number of new users, which doesn't even account for the long time users. Not that it matters hugely, the rules only truly matter to people posting, which is realistically isn't too bad.
Regarding the use of two search engines, it can be seen in a bad way, or it can be seen as having two different tools instead of just one. Neither is perfect, neither is better (opinions and experiences may differ), and they can often be used interchangably, but they are not the same and should be used differently.
Min 4 letter search is awful for a tech forum. No idea why such a known forum hasnt found a work around.
Theres no way around how terrible it is. As mentioned before the sheer number of issues that arise with things that start or 3 letters long renders search impotent.
MMS/USB are two major problems Ive had recently and couldnt do a search to find an answer. Of course that results in yet another thread on the topic being created that is probably needless.
Google search isnt forum specific so it too is too cumbersome to be useful.
Orb , MMS ,SMS , USB, APK , API I mean over half the "talk" we use for Phones involves 3 letter acronyms. Not even beginning to mention something like 1.6 , 2.0 when getting spcifics on those 3 letter acronyms.
I don't get it.
If I use the Android XDA app, the Marketplace is visible in General. Using a real browser however, it's not. A quick search for a link into the Marketplace rears a permissions error. And all of this without being registered. So what gives? Something I'm missing here?
nevezen said:
I don't get it.
If I use the Android XDA app, the Marketplace is visible in General. Using a real browser however, it's not. A quick search for a link into the Marketplace rears a permissions error. And all of this without being registered. So what gives? Something I'm missing here?
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what phone your using?
Oh, so it's now visible. After glancing through the rules/disclaimer it appears it'll become accessible after 8 posts for a noobjuice member. Clever.
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Oh, so it's now visible. After glancing through the rules/disclaimer it appears it'll become accessible after 8 posts for a noobjuice member. Clever.
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Good idea to read the Forum FAQ'S there is a lot in there that will help you
nevezen said:
I don't get it.
If I use the Android XDA app, the Marketplace is visible in General. Using a real browser however, it's not. A quick search for a link into the Marketplace rears a permissions error. And all of this without being registered. So what gives? Something I'm missing here?
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You need more posts and/or a longer membership (I can't recall the details).
Guess the Tapatalk app needs fixing .
Dave
nevezen said:
I don't get it.
If I use the Android XDA app, the Marketplace is visible in General. Using a real browser however, it's not. A quick search for a link into the Marketplace rears a permissions error. And all of this without being registered. So what gives? Something I'm missing here?
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It's not the app...we've changed the permission on the Marketplace to not allow access to a user until he/she has made 8 posts. That 8 post level is also the same point at which you can post links. It's just an anti-spam measure. We found people were registering at XDA just to spam the site or the Marketplace. This helps.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
This is good to know. Long time lurker and finally signed up so I could post in the marketplace but alas!
Can someone link to the rules for gaining access to the Marketplace? I have 8 posts but still cannot see it. Tried logging out and back in but still nothing
For a while there I thought I needed to check my eye sight. Makes sense now.
Hard to achieve 8 post if you have nothing to say or to discuss or if everything is so well explained that you do not need answers
Maybe you could add a waiting time also. Lets say after 4 weeks you get to see the market, I highly doubt anyone would wait 4 weeks just to spam something.
It doesn't make sense that you can view the Marketplace before you sign up (and then have it dissapear after you are a member).
oh!! so thats why i couldnt c the marketplace
I am new here. it seem that this is an useful forum.
welcome to forums
Once you become an active/regula user all XDA features will be unlocked and you will be able to post in marketplace, this rule is to protect us from spammers/scammers
Ah I was wondering why I wasn't able to see that deal I saw anymore... guess I'm off to ask more questions.
I have been on the site reading for 6 months now trying not to poste but now i need to use the market so here is my 8th poste thanks.
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It doesn't make sense that you can view the Marketplace before you sign up (and then have it dissapear after you are a member).
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Lol. Non-members can't see the marketplace anymore.
Trust me to say too much
As I said before:
Once you become regular/active members will see the benefit of having this
Meantime post and you´ll finally get access
Nice
Really smart security measure! I like it.
--XPiemaster
as long as its for security im all for it
Microsoft has a website where users can let them know their wishes for future versions of WP: http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/forums/101801-feature-suggestions
Please vote for my suggestion
http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/f...estions/2281470-auto-bing-wallpaper?ref=title
Is this real? I can't see Microsoft setting up a website whereby things are voted on. I tried to make a comment but came up a popup asking for email or something, I closed it.
There you go MS, voted some points to what interested me the greatest.
sure haven't said:
Is this real? I can't see Microsoft setting up a website whereby things are voted on. I tried to make a comment but came up a popup asking for email or something, I closed it.
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They posted it right on their own blog.
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...ws-phone-feature-idea-try-suggestion-box.aspx
I just use my gmail to sign in, doesn't really matter. I have not received any spam.
I don't really see how this is new, they have had this for a long time (it was just never added to the official site)
They originally had one for developers that got overrun by consumer suggestions. Therefore they made a 2nd.
for Dev's: http://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/110705-app-platform
Consumers: http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/forums/101801-feature-suggestions
Hi guys my first suggestion seems to have gone down quite well. Please vote some another issues which has been bothering me. The ability to swipe through image search results in Bing. You can do that in the IOS Bing app. Note sure why they've not included this in wp7.
http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/f...-go-through-bing-image-search-redul?ref=title
I have been trying to track down some issues i have been having with Google Now on Jelly Bean, and I have realized there are a few different versions of teh google search apk, (sometimes labled velvet.apk) in the wild.
2.0.0.398337 2.0.0.392829 and v2.0.0.402395 all exist at a minumum.
With the latest AOKP AUG25 build containing the lowest of the three at 2.0.0.392829 i am curious what other versions there are.
A few tests can be done that will hopefully help me to narrow down the issues at hand. Under Settings>Privacy and Accounts, there should be an option that allows you to use google.com for search instead of local domain, but this option does not exist on my build. I think that this may be why my gNow does not work as well as some other individuals.
For instance,
When I ask google "How tall is Kobe Bryant?" a voice response returns "Kobe Bryant is 6 foot 6 inches tall" ...
When I ask google "How tall is the Eiffel Tower?" it simple shows the results in google, with no card, but if i ask "What is the height of the Eiffel Tower? the voice response is given. It has been verified by others using the higher versions of google search that asking "how tall is" works just fine on their end.
Additionally, (and this may be across the board for all instances of GNOW) when i try to use the offline feature the only ability gnow has is to make a phone call. One would assume that being able to create alarms, and send text would still be available.
If anyone can help shed some light onto this issue please comment below. Also i have linked to the gnexus guide for google now for function reference.
http://support.google.com/nexus/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2665843&topic=2590357&ctx=topic
As well as the configuration page for google now on xda
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1740542
It may just be that we need to pull the google search apk from the nexus and load it onto our phone (running a JB based rom of course)
I would like to further expand on this. I used to say 44th president or 43 president etc, and it would say george Bush, Barak, etc... But now it only shows the text answer. Did google change something or what?
Dougshell said:
I have been trying to track down some issues i have been having with Google Now on Jelly Bean, and I have realized there are a few different versions of teh google search apk, (sometimes labled velvet.apk) in the wild.
2.0.0.398337 2.0.0.392829 and v2.0.0.402395 all exist at a minumum.
With the latest AOKP AUG25 build containing the lowest of the three at 2.0.0.392829 i am curious what other versions there are.
A few tests can be done that will hopefully help me to narrow down the issues at hand. Under Settings>Privacy and Accounts, there should be an option that allows you to use google.com for search instead of local domain, but this option does not exist on my build. I think that this may be why my gNow does not work as well as some other individuals.
For instance,
When I ask google "How tall is Kobe Bryant?" a voice response returns "Kobe Bryant is 6 foot 6 inches tall" ...
When I ask google "How tall is the Eiffel Tower?" it simple shows the results in google, with no card, but if i ask "What is the height of the Eiffel Tower? the voice response is given. It has been verified by others using the higher versions of google search that asking "how tall is" works just fine on their end.
Additionally, (and this may be across the board for all instances of GNOW) when i try to use the offline feature the only ability gnow has is to make a phone call. One would assume that being able to create alarms, and send text would still be available.
If anyone can help shed some light onto this issue please comment below. Also i have linked to the gnexus guide for google now for function reference.
http://support.google.com/nexus/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2665843&topic=2590357&ctx=topic
As well as the configuration page for google now on xda
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1740542
It may just be that we need to pull the google search apk from the nexus and load it onto our phone (running a JB based rom of course)
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Take it back, I am in the right thread. I'll keep it short. Wrong thread, please ask a mod to move this to [email protected]
Sent from JMT Goodness
flipper2006 said:
I would like to further expand on this. I used to say 44th president or 43 president etc, and it would say george Bush, Barak, etc... But now it only shows the text answer. Did google change something or what?
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If i ask "41st president" i get a text response. IF i ask "Who was the 41st president" I get a spoke answer. This remains true until the 16th president. From that point and lower all answers are text based.
Something foul is definitely afoot here.
I noticed the same thing. Asking what's the weather on the Nexus gives weather then says "here's the forecast for the week" unlike on our GS2
this truly may be in the wrong thread, but i put it here because i thought it was an issue with our rom...I wonder if i can report my own thead.
Can we just pull the apk from a nexus 7? Lol
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-T989 using xda premium
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this truly may be in the wrong thread, but i put it here because i thought it was an issue with our rom...I wonder if i can report my own thead.
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Even though you think its a rom issue I believe this thread is better served and supported in Q&A as previously advised I think you need to ask a mod to move for you. I assume you want answers and not flamers and leaving it here will get more of the matter "
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Even though you think its a rom issue I believe this thread is better served and supported in Q&A as previously advised I think you need to ask a mod to move for you. I assume you want answers and not flamers and leaving it here will get more of the matter "
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Its been moved.
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Its been moved.
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Hopefully people can start uploading there google seach version and we can start to compare them to find out which versions have which options.
I refurbish vintage PCs (Windows 98 & 2000 mostly) and occasionally purchase lots of parts from people who are cleaning out. Recently, one of these lots included a pair of working HP TouchPads. In trying to figure out what they were, I saw that WebOS is a non-starter but that some ppl had put Cyanogen on them. My problems are twofold - 1) I have zero experience with anything related to Android modifications, and 2) all the posts I saw were from years ago and concerned old versions. If they had links to how-tos, they were broken.
In looking further, I saw references to Lineage instead of Cyanogen, so I thought I'd see if anyone here could help me. Since I refurbish 15-18 year old computers every week, you can tell that I hate to see working tech scrapped, so I appreciate any help along the way.
I also have an handful of Android tablets that I got the same way, and a couple of them have issues, so I'm hoping users in other sub-forums can give me some guidance there too.
All the best...
[email protected] - @kurt @resist__berlin http://www.android-x86.org/download I am using this one: cm-x86-14.1-r2.iso I am using Opera because it seems to work fastest
kurtn said:
I am using this one: cm-x86-14.1-r2.iso
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Thanks! Since this is all new to me, should I look for the how-to stuff on that page or are there other guides that would be more appropriate?
SVJeff said:
Thanks! Since this is all new to me, should I look for the how-to stuff on that page or are there other guides that would be more appropriate?
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sorry, that was only a copy of a mastodon post. Maybe you should try to contact the person who wrote this. [email protected]
kurtn said:
you should try to contact the person who wrote this. [email protected]
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I tried but the message came back - the address wasn't found at that domain
SVJeff said:
I tried but the message came back - the address wasn't found at that domain
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It's a mastodon instance. Not e-mail.