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Touch Pro 2 (GSM vs CDMA) ATT vs Verizon

Is there a CDMA hardspl? Can Verizon phones be flashed?
These phones are now just being released to Carriers
Verizon has the phone for $199
Sprint / ATT are expected to charge $299
Because I am a noob and had a tilt previously CDMA vs GSM wasn't an issue, my 2 year contract expires in a few days.
Will ROMS be cross compatible or GSM only or CDMA only?
Anyone have experience with differences in internet speeds?

Im a UK GSM user. Heres what i can tell you off hand.
Check the Rhodium CDMA forum to see if there is a HardSPL (I dont think so, yet)
$100 dollars is a lot of monies
Not cross compatible, dont do it. Dont think about it, im sure bad things happen.
No idea about internet speeds.
Me personally? GSM Model, $100 is a lot but there are far more GSM users on XDA devs therefore far more things to play about with. This phone is a toy for me, i dont need it but it occupies me. You chose!

Actually $349.99 for Sprint and T-Mobile
AT&T not listed as of yet, I will try to barter it for $199 when it comes out

Verizon actually looks very nice, but knowing them they usually block alot of stuff on their device or charge extra for things that should be free...
ATT is the way to go for me atleast...you get a wider support if its a gsm phone vs. cdma

The reason why verizon's TP2 is cheaper is because they require you to have a data plan for as long as you own the phone. the data plan is $29.99 a month. Thats $360 extra a year. I dont think spring requires a data plan which is why theirs is more expensive.

Verizon & Sprint = CDMA & GSM (first world phone for them cept BB an Nextel) Uses MSA 7601 Chip (Sprint's add on Data is 15 bucks WIN WIN with Sprint)
AT&T = GSM only and poor expensive data Network - Use's MSA7200 Chip < FAIL!

bimori said:
The reason why verizon's TP2 is cheaper is because they require you to have a data plan for as long as you own the phone. the data plan is $29.99 a month. Thats $360 extra a year. I dont think spring requires a data plan which is why theirs is more expensive.
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Sorry, but Sprint also charges you for a data plan for as long as you have the phone. However, I'm not sure whether they lock you into it for the duration of the contract or not, but who gets a smartphone without data these days?

GeoffM said:
AT&T = GSM only and poor expensive data Network - Use's MSA7200 Chip < FAIL!
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The AT&T network is consistently the fastest. It only lags slightly behind Verizon in coverage, too.

GeoffM said:
Verizon & Sprint = CDMA & GSM (first world phone for them cept BB an Nextel) Uses MSA 7601 Chip (Sprint's add on Data is 15 bucks WIN WIN with Sprint)
AT&T = GSM only and poor expensive data Network - Use's MSA7200 Chip < FAIL!
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I know I should research this but do you know the differences between both chips. I am sure people on this thread are interested as well. Any clock speed differences or is it just the carrier hermaphrodite ability?

toiletduk said:
The AT&T network is consistently the fastest. It only lags slightly behind Verizon in coverage, too.
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I'm gonna have to seriously disagree with this. This only applies in big cities. Verizon has better overall coverage and better broadband coverage. At&t also has HORRID customer service. Before At&t took over I would've agreed with this but At&t screwed everything up.
On the note of the one i would buy I would buy the Verizon or Sprint one based on the messed up keyboard design that at&t continues to go with.

I dont know about horrid customer service, It can be bad at times, but I had a tilt and warranty exchanged it twice and got a fuse. I think playing dumb with att will get you where you want to go and more info than you were looking for, Data coverage always varies upon where you live, I have lived in the sticks of upper michigan for a while now, NO 3G but never a dropped call and I mean never When I was in a bigger city with my fuse my data speeds were impressive but every time I went ut of range of a tower and conected to another it dropped my call, which is utter bull. So If your looking to buy a phone check out the internal specs on the device, see what can be unlocked and flashed to your liking and look at the device to see if it is aesthetically pleasing to your eye not someone elses, if you like the way it looks and what its got in it buy it. But just from my point of view dont buy CDMA having a sim card rocks you can put it into any phone and bam! new phone! Well any compatible phone but there are a lot of them. CDMA phones are a carriers way of shoving a cactus up you a** and telling you to like it.

7600 vs 7601
sdlopez83 said:
I know I should research this but do you know the differences between both chips. I am sure people on this thread are interested as well. Any clock speed differences or is it just the carrier hermaphrodite ability?
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Former Qualcommer here, and was involved in this, at least from the finance perspective.
The chips are identical in function. The only difference between the two of them were that the 7601 chips had a power save function disabled to be in compliance with a broadcom ruling on the 686 patent infringement case. This has long since been settled and the two companies are at peace with each other. It was only an issue for chips being imported into the USA from Singapore.
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Former Qualcommer here, and was involved in this, at least from the finance perspective.
The chips are identical in function. The only difference between the two of them were that the 7601 chips had a power save function disabled to be in compliance with a broadcom ruling on the 686 patent infringement case. This has long since been settled and the two companies are at peace with each other. It was only an issue for chips being imported into the USA from Singapore.
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Thank you for the clarification.

I havent seen anyone respond about the Verizon version TP2 being crippled so I will. It IS NOT for the first time, everything is the same as the others except the Verizon version is much sexier

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I havent seen anyone respond about the Verizon version TP2 being crippled so I will. It IS NOT for the first time, everything is the same as the others except the Verizon version is much sexier
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THANK YOU!!! I'm considering the leap to Verizon. I would definitely like to know what you think of the device. What the removal of the ctrl key to add another message key. I really thought that was dumb...

Dont forget that if you have AT&T's family plan, you can ditch the data plan for the TP2 and add medianet for the dumb phone for $15 then swap SIM chip. Now you have TP2 with unlimited data plan for only $15.

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THANK YOU!!! I'm considering the leap to Verizon. I would definitely like to know what you think of the device. What the removal of the ctrl key to add another message key. I really thought that was dumb...
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Absolutely wonderful!! The screen on this thing is simply beautiful, and the speed and smoothness of TF3D is quite an improvement of the TP. Overall, the BEST ppc that I have laid eyes on and I enjoy using it everytime I pick it up....enjoy looking at it too. I highly reccomend it!!

how do we even know if weve got the CDMA or GSM version .. ??

stanglifemike said:
Absolutely wonderful!! The screen on this thing is simply beautiful, and the speed and smoothness of TF3D is quite an improvement of the TP. Overall, the BEST ppc that I have laid eyes on and I enjoy using it everytime I pick it up....enjoy looking at it too. I highly reccomend it!!
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Hmmm I was expecting a comparison to the WWE edition. The comparisons to the TP is what i already know but thanks. I had the TP and the Xperia and no doubt that the TP2 is by far better than those two. It is the greatest winmo device i've ever used and it had the best stock rom i've ever used as well. Thats why i'm thinking about making the switch to cdma. I like to be able to change phones as much as I want thats why i stuck with At&t.

well I'm sure you know about the GSM capabilities and the Verizon sim card already installed in the phone

HTC Tilt 2 Only TP2 with 802.11b/g/e/i Wifi

The thread title says it all. AT&T's Touch Pro 2 is the only one of the 4 US carriers to feature 802.11b/g/e/i Wifi while all other carriers only have 802.11b/g.
Now the unbranded HTC Touch Pro 2 from HTC Europe's homepage also only features the 802.11b/g
I looked up the 802.11e/i and they are older standards: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11e-2005
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11i-2004
Now because they are older standards, I am assuming that AT&T is just fluffing up their phone's specs by adding them to their advertising material, however I wanted some community verification to find out if their other Touch Pro models do come with the e/i standard such as AT&T.
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Daniel

alot of security and multimedia access control but
802.16e-2005, would be the only band worth mentioning but I bet att won't implement that! That is the mobile wimaxx that would be greatly appreciated.

Uh, 802.11i is just WPA, which all modern wifi devices can do.
I'd imagine they are all using the same chips, so they probably all have 'e' as well. Not that it really matters.

Thats what I figured, but AT&T was the only one advertising the 802.11b/g/e/i which is a huge marketing scam.

atomixpaintball said:
Thats what I figured, but AT&T was the only one advertising the 802.11b/g/e/i which is a huge marketing scam.
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Huge marketing scam?
You mean like their coverage maps or the lie about being the "nations fastest 3g network" or the lie about iPhone users not being primarily responsible for the huge explosion in data usage or the lie about increasing capital expenditures for network build-out, or the scam about delaying their 4g build-out because according to them there won't be LTE phones around to use it?

atomixpaintball said:
Thats what I figured, but AT&T was the only one advertising the 802.11b/g/e/i which is a huge marketing scam.
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It's not a scam to market what you offer.
It'd be misleading if they said those things were super important, but not misleading to say they offer them.

I am Network plus certified and I had to look up the E and I. These are not separate standards per se' rather they are additions to the other standards. a,b,g and n are the only standards that deal with speed other than the wimax standard. So in my view they are trying to mislead by saying you have more than anyone else. They do add to security and to better use of bandwidth they are not faster than the others and people not intimately familiar with these would think they are actually getting something they aren't. I am sure that technically they follow the 2 standards but then again the others probably do to. Fluff marketing. In terms of what the user will see nothing.

AT&T iz teh suxxors11!!1
atomixpaintball said:
Thats what I figured, but AT&T was the only one advertising the 802.11b/g/e/i which is a huge marketing scam.
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Yeah, it kinda similar to their "AT&T optimized" keyboard. AT&T marketing is a joke. I remember seeing their comparison charts for the Tilt 2 when they were first leaked, those were good for a laugh.
AT&T docs show Tilt 2 specs

Verizon Draws Line In The Sand For Microsoft's WP7

While Verizon has the HTC Trophy as it's one and only Windows Phone, the wireless provider has given Microsoft an ultimatum of sorts that could see the Verizon dropping Windows Phone all together.
In a recent interview with CNET Verizon Wireless's Chief Marketing Officer Marni Walden commented,
"We've communicated to Microsoft that LTE is critical to us. We need to see a timeline that makes sense if we want to continue to represent them."
Microsoft hasn't responded to Walden's comments but has said it would add LTE support to Windows Phone but hasn't addressed the "when" of the subject. Should Microsoft and Verizon part ways, the wireless company will focus it's smartphone line-up on Android devices and the iPhone (which doesn't support LTE).
Verizon is still working with Microsoft on this issue and hopefully common ground can be found to bring the second generation Windows Phones to Verizon. If not, does the success of Windows Phones hinge on a Verizon model or will Microsoft do just fine without?
Source: CNET Via: Winsupersite
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deadwrong03 said:
While Verizon has the HTC Trophy as it's one and only Windows Phone, the wireless provider has given Microsoft an ultimatum of sorts that could see the Verizon dropping Windows Phone all together.
In a recent interview with CNET Verizon Wireless's Chief Marketing Officer Marni Walden commented,
"We've communicated to Microsoft that LTE is critical to us. We need to see a timeline that makes sense if we want to continue to represent them."
Microsoft hasn't responded to Walden's comments but has said it would add LTE support to Windows Phone but hasn't addressed the "when" of the subject. Should Microsoft and Verizon part ways, the wireless company will focus it's smartphone line-up on Android devices and the iPhone (which doesn't support LTE).
Verizon is still working with Microsoft on this issue and hopefully common ground can be found to bring the second generation Windows Phones to Verizon. If not, does the success of Windows Phones hinge on a Verizon model or will Microsoft do just fine without?
Source: CNET Via: Winsupersite
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I'd think it's more of a planning prep on V's part. They can't exactly start an ad campaign that states "the most LTE devices" or anything like that if apple and microsoft haven't caught up yet. V is pushing it's LTE big time, and LTE should be pushed. It's not necessary to sell a phone, but every time a standard is adopted and speeds are increased, we all benefit.
Microsoft doesn't really benefit by LTE directly in phone sales. It's just another radio to them, much like Apple. On the other hand, they're in the business of getting more mindshare, and selling more licenses. With those licenses come more vender tie-ins, and that means BIG MONEY.
whatchathink ?

Lol even though they would never draw that line for apple and iPhone...

...not to mention as soon as LTE is finished, there will be 5G or Super-Duper LTE or some new thing...

scoobysnacks said:
Lol even though they would never draw that line for apple and iPhone...
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I was wondering about that too.
Re-reading the quote from Walden, it is a bit ambiguous. Verizon wants to see a roadmap/timeline from Microsoft about LTE support, but they don't mention Apple at all. That could imply that Apple has provided such a roadmap to the carrier, while not releasing it to the public (a somewhat reasonable conclusion, I suppose), or that Versizon believes that Apple represents a large enough revenue stream to overlook the lack of LTE (which WP doesn't quite represent yet).
The question is, why wouldn't Microsoft want to communicate their plans to the carrier, at least to confirm that LTE is coming?

LTE support will require re-speccing CDMA devices for Verizon's network. The SoCs that Microsoft uses in WP7 do not support LTE. They will likely not have LTE support until they have Dual Core CPU [official] support in the OS/Devices.
The next iPhone is almost guaranteed to be LTE, and Apple isn't comparable to Microsoft, because Apple has greater Mindshare and sells way more phones than WP7. The 4S set records on almost every carrier who got it, and sold 4M units in a weekend on Pre-Order. No other phone performs that well.
Trying to call Apple out would not help Verizon, especially with AT&T starting to roll out their LTE network now. By the time the iPhone 5 launches, AT&T can have LTE in enough places that iPhone users wanting an upgrade (and leaving for AT&T) can significantly affect their bottom line. It would be a dumb move.
WP7 is the platform with something to prove, not Apple. iOS matches or exceeds WP7 in every area. Microsoft needs a competitive Advantage, and not getting to LTE before Apple does on Verizon (or even WiMax on Sprint) is not a good strategy, IMO.

calling out only one single os is an equally dumb move imo...
wouldn't want to upset the isheep though
Lte is barely available anywhere anyway.

N8ter said:
LTE support will require re-speccing CDMA devices for Verizon's network. The SoCs that Microsoft uses in WP7 do not support LTE. They will likely not have LTE support until they have Dual Core CPU [official] support in the OS/Devices.
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Doesn't the HTC Thunderbolt use the same SoC used in today's Windows Phones?
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Lol even though they would never draw that line for apple and iPhone...
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Verizon (and everyone else) isn't in the position to dictate anything to Apple. Apple dictates to them. Just look at the Sprint deal.

scoobysnacks said:
calling out only one single os is an equally dumb move imo...
wouldn't want to upset the isheep though
Lte is barely available anywhere anyway.
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You're that clueless about Verizon LTE coverage and the speed at which they're rolling it out?
Apple phone launch = camp outs at the store. WP device launch =?
Verizon is in the business of making money. They will push what sells and make them the most money. Additionally Apple users are more willing to upgrade a phone year over year than WinPhone users. It has nothing to do with iSheep or WinTards.
See what I did there?
As for the Thunderbolt that needs confirmation. (You're right)
It has the Qualcomm MSM8655 Snapdragon. Is that the same one in the new Mango phones. The radio would be totally different, though, so I'm unsure of the technical details beyond that. I think the Thunderbolt is renowned for terrible battery life, though the Photon 4G and Bionic seem to have better battery life on 4G/LTE.
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Dual Core, 4G, LTE all this will do is drain the $h!t out of your battery life. I can't wait to see the iFans faces drop when their battery goes down hill because of LTE.

N8ter said:
You're that clueless about Verizon LTE coverage and the speed at which they're rolling it out?
Apple phone launch = camp outs at the store. WP device launch =?
Verizon is in the business of making money. They will push what sells and make them the most money. Additionally Apple users are more willing to upgrade a phone year over year than WinPhone users. It has nothing to do with iSheep or WinTards.
See what I did there?
As for the Thunderbolt that needs confirmation. (You're right)
It has the Qualcomm MSM8655 Snapdragon. Is that the same one in the new Mango phones. The radio would be totally different, though, so I'm unsure of the technical details beyond that. I think the Thunderbolt is renowned for terrible battery life, though the Photon 4G and Bionic seem to have better battery life on 4G/LTE.
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considering I dont live in the states I can only go with what i read/hear..
So what iPhone sales are higher?
A phone company should know better than to show that blatant of favoritism..
What if wp7 gets huge? It will take a bit but it could happen.
I'm sure they wouldn't forget that

Not many people follow what Verizon says...after all, they're the same guys that rejected the iPhone then kissed Apple's ass to get it.

They're the largest wireless carrier in the USA.
Over 100M people follow what they say.
If WP7 gets huge then they can use their user base to dictate the terms of deals, as Apple has done beautifully.
Sprint isn't exactly the richest carrier, but look how much they were willing to invest just to get the iPhone 4/4S.

Glad to see you're back to your usual masking opinions as facts self, but truth be told, Verizon was last to release a WP7 phone...and they only have one...they are hardly in a position to make demands...they can decide to sell Android and iPhone...Microsoft will still get paid.

Dr.8820 said:
Glad to see you're back to your usual masking opinions as facts self, but truth be told, Verizon was last to release a WP7 phone...and they only have one...they are hardly in a position to make demands...they can decide to sell Android and iPhone...Microsoft will still get paid.
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I'm glad you're not in charge

...don't really know what that has to do with what I posted, but it's true...Microsoft knows "LTE" "4G" and all that is just marketing...everyone using a WP7 phones knows it doesn't need dual core, 4G, or none of that stuff.

Dr.8820 said:
...don't really know what that has to do with what I posted, but it's true...Microsoft knows "LTE" "4G" and all that is just marketing...everyone using a WP7 phones knows it doesn't need dual core, 4G, or none of that stuff.
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Its all just marketing? What makes you say that? It kind of sounds like you've fallen for some "you dont really need this thing we don't support" marketing. WP7 needs features and hardware that can compete with iOS and Android. That's it.

Says you, I've been using this HD7 since December 2010....still works fine and with no lag...only spec sheep care about that...the iPhone 4s sold more than all the others WITHOUT LTE or 4G.

That's exactly my point. The iPhone can afford it. Windows phone can't. That's what happens when you're three years later to market and gave apple a 3 year lead in building out their ecosystem.
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The iPhone didn't start off on fire, it gained a following...case in point: I had Sprint and a TP2, have a friend w/T-Mo and got an HD2 on their 2nd line. I then got my HD7 and they left T-Mo and got an Evo 3-D...they just left Sprint and got a Radar because of my HD7...word of mouth is way better than specs.

Why doesn't America get the "best" smartphones?

This link takes you to the HTC One X specifications which I read over and thought to myself.."Okay so the united states is only going to get the dual-core version? WHY? Is the quad-core version, 'not safe enough for America', like all the cars from Europe?"
These damn companies are pissing me off by holding back "superior" technology from us here in the states. So wait, we have to wait until we receive the SGS3 that's going to finally give America it's first quad-core smart phone, correct me if I'm wrong, and meanwhile, as per usual, Europe and Asia already HAVE quad core phones and the next step for them is 1080p screens and 2-4GB RAM while America is BARELY starting to suggest the idea of anything so "impossible".
I'm a technology nut and I'm between a rock and a hard place on this because my career is going to be based on smartphone technology for America and we're always 2-steps behind the rest of the world so that leaves me with working on outdated phones and technologies.
Anyone feel stressed about this like me?
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one-x/#specs
I'm also mad because I love Samsung technology and this HTC phone has the E4GT beat like a bratty toddler. I love my 4G touch but with those specs I would actually get one without regretting it too..
F my life!!

There is a reason and it has to do with economics and market zones. Each country has a technology release date according to current standards of tech at the time and how much the manufacturer wants to pay the government to put its higher tech out in order to get first dibs on the crazed tech fans money. Its all part of interventionism capitalism. If that is even a term. Of course there are other variables but this is A main reason among many.
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The only reason the one X in America didn't get the quad core was because the current tegra 3 chipset doesn't support LTE. Don't hold my word to it though...

The other variables are the standards. Europe and most of asia doesn't use our types of networks and radio bands. The only company that uses anything remotely like the rest of the world is ATT and their bands (which is why most people can use unlocked phones on ATT just fine).
Here we have two different CDMA carriers (sprint + verizon) with different 4g standards (wimax vs lte and soon LTE vs LTE on different frequencies) and two different GSM carriers with different base bands (standard bands on ATT while Tmobile uses different ones).
The rest of the world is pretty standardized so that's why it's so fast and easy to release the int'l versions....
Also the carriers don't have enough power or will to tamper with the phones in order to "differentiate" like our carriers because they have to actually COMPETE with each other unlike america..............(look at foreign phone plan prices compared to ours and how fast "3g" is...)

O_O
Blacklabel84 said:
There is a reason and it has to do with economics and market zones. Each country has a technology release date according to current standards of tech at the time and how much the manufacturer wants to pay the government to put its higher tech out in order to get first dibs on the crazed tech fans money. Its all part of interventionism capitalism. If that is even a term. Of course there are other variables but this is A main reason among many.
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As much as I wish and hope and dream that I could understand what you posted;
*hand fly's over my head* I have no idea BUT I do get what your saying but also that doesn't mean that I like it what so ever..I hate this stuff about one nation needs to have a higher tech rating then others.
I say lets all go out and buy the new Nexus2 with it's 1080p super AMOLED+ screen, and the quad-core processor at 1.8GHz and the 2000mah battery, and JELLY BEAN operating system...lol..I'm just talking random non-sense but this is how I keep my brain from going dry. so I'll keep making up stuff that only I can dream up..

Blame Bush.

ahhh!!!
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The other variables are the standards. Europe and most of asia doesn't use our types of networks and radio bands. The only company that uses anything remotely like the rest of the world is ATT and their bands (which is why most people can use unlocked phones on ATT just fine).
Here we have two different CDMA carriers (sprint + verizon) with different 4g standards (wimax vs lte and soon LTE vs LTE on different frequencies) and two different GSM carriers with different base bands (standard bands on ATT while Tmobile uses different ones).
The rest of the world is pretty standardized so that's why it's so fast and easy to release the int'l versions....
Also the carriers don't have enough power or will to tamper with the phones in order to "differentiate" like our carriers because they have to actually COMPETE with each other unlike america..............(look at foreign phone plan prices compared to ours and how fast "3g" is...)
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I SAY WE PROTEST AGAINST AMERICA'S CARRIERS!!
...but then again I have no idea what I'm talking about.....
Anyway! I still say we should be more like the international carriers here in America because have you compared their bandwidth speeds to ours?
In London their down runs 20+MBps standard/minimum from what I've seen on youtube "speed test" videos. It only gets faster the farther East you go; Tokyo speed tests were running 30MBps+ easy because the people live so close together so the speeds have to be high.
I think were just ripping ourselves off here.
I'm getting a migraine thinking of the unfairness...

lol
phatmanxxl said:
Blame Bush.
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Why so? did he push a law that made it harder for technology to enter the country? or was it because of the war?

Nabbu said:
Why so? did he push a law that made it harder for technology to enter the country? or was it because of the war?
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If not bush then ... the Jews?
Loool jk fellas

Pffft bush was a puppet. im a capitalist and ill say that. im a ron paul follower. anyway its the rich in an abstract chaotic global market that put limits to keep market competetition as fair as possible so one company doesnt monopolize.
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If not bush then ... the Jews?
Loool jk fellas
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No it wasn't the Jews, I already double checked them in Mein Kampf and Hitler didn't say anything about them screwing America over in smartphone technology.
He did say that Europe(Germany) is going to be the most superior country in the world based on technology, so maybe he meant in smartphones?

I wonder if the hold companies like Microsoft have on this country has anything to do with the technology mind set in the US. The continued growth of Linux outside the US is teaching more and more people to think freedom when it comes to technology? I have to fight the entrenched mind set everyday.
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I'm not keen with the political definitions of the day so excuse me if I sound idiotic! ^^
..does that mean that the Government is regulating technology flow?
I would expect something like that to happen since nothing is free anymore and why would you give away something that you could charge for?
Government + technology = delays in technology + lazy Americans = rich international countries with high standard of living and free health care
Why not just create the 8-core processor here in America and leave the rest of the world in the dust like we always have in the past?
I don't even know anymore..

iSaint said:
If not bush then ... the Jews?
Loool jk fellas
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As a former Jew, I support this wholeheartedly.

I would rather have the A15 based Dual-core S4 than the A9 based Quad-core Tegra 3.

I was thinking the same thing..big companies like Sprint, AT&T, Verizon, and Microsoft need to be regulated so that smaller, and more reliable, companies can emerge without hindrance or fear of being bought out.

hmm
tommydaniel said:
I would rather have the A15 based Dual-core S4 than the A9 based Quad-core Tegra 3.
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I agree with you better technology dual-core phones are a good choice but you can't beat the multitasking power and speed of a quad-core.
Imagine the same specs as that dual-core but in a quad-core version.
All I'm trying to say is give a man a chance to spend his money for something he ACTUALLY wants and not what the opinion polls have "proven" what America wants next. Ask anyone off the street and they'll say, "What's the difference?", and then you'll explain to them what it is and they'll say, "..of course the quad because the other one is outdated right?".
lol...I'm taking this to seriously..like anyone corporate actually cares.

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As a former Jew, I support this wholeheartedly.
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Haha
"former Jew"

The government tries to regulate tech flow to try to prevent monopolies and to make sure one company isnt too far ahead of the other.
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Nabbu said:
Why so? did he push a law that made it harder for technology to enter the country? or was it because of the war?
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Because he steered a hurricane into New Orleans.

Keep my v30,932 or get s9 or wait for new iPhone.

Well, help me clear my thinking. Love the v30 but sad the t mobile variant will not be bootloader unlocked. So looking at the specs the new Galaxy S9 unlocked has all the lte bands as the iPhone, it is supposed to support band 71. I want an unlocked phone because I am moving to an area where TMobile does not currently have good service, but band 71 is coming. So should I get the s9 or go back to an iPhone when it is released. We don't yet know if the v30 unlocked supports band 71.

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Well, help me clear my thinking. Love the v30 but sad the t mobile variant will not be bootloader unlocked. So looking at the specs the new Galaxy S9 unlocked has all the lte bands as the iPhone, it is supposed to support band 71. I want an unlocked phone because I am moving to an area where TMobile does not currently have good service, but band 71 is coming. So should I get the s9 or go back to an iPhone when it is released. We don't yet know if the v30 unlocked supports band 71.
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I'm not sure why you are even mentioning an iPhone?
1) It's sure not bootloader unlocked.
2) And it doesn't have band 71. No iPhone before next September will have band 71, will it? (Normally that's when Apple releases new phones.)
By next September (7 months from now) there will be plenty of flagship Android phones with LTE band 71. You don't have to stoop to an iPhone. Ever.
Also, are you confusing bootloader unlock with carrier unlocked? Because you're throwing the terms around, almost interchangeably.
Tell me what you mean by S9 Unlocked? Are you talking about Exynos variant which has bootloader unlock? Or are you talking about S9 directly from Samsung which is carrier unlocked or S9 from a 3rd party where the seller has carrier unlocked the phone?
Right NOW, you can buy the T-Mobile V30 H932 V30 or V30+ and get it carrier unlocked for other networks. BOOM. You still have LTE band 71 if you ever need it. If you were considering paying full price for Galaxy S9, why don't you also consider that?
Posted via open market LG US998 V30/V30+

The Samsung 9 intrigues me. Subtle, but positive changes. The thicker glass will make it more resistant, but I'm wondering if it still will be as easy to scratch as the S8, (and anything with the Gorilla 5 glass). The aluminum band around the glass will also be tougher. Good improvements with the camera and camera software. I just wish they would enhance the 3.5 jack with a decent DAC and do something useful with Bixby and the Bixby button.
As far as the iPhone, I was a long time iPhone user. Still have a Mac Pro and an iPad Pro. Back in the day, Apple put out very good phone products, and iTunes kept everything well organized and easy to use. Unfortunately... those days appear to be over. The last iPhone that I bought was the 6 Plus. Since, I can not bring myself to plop down the money to buy the last few iterations. The 7 Plus had some incremental improvements, but taking out the 3.5 jack was an absolute no go with me. I spend considerable time and money continuously improving my music from source to output. And I am fortunate enough to be able to pick up the nuances in recordings and final engineered products. And as convenient as BT is, it is nowhere near the same fidelity quality than a properly engineered song, through a decent DAC, and out to a proper pair of wired headphones. The last product that Apple put out as an iPhone is just plain and simple, a money grab. The best feature is FaceID, which I have no confidence in using for anything other than a gimmicky way of unlocking the phone. And according to some of my closest friends, I don't need smart emoji to be a walking, talking pile of s**t... so... And don't get me started with that abhorrent notch, not to mention the insulting price. Apple is basically selling $370 worth of parts and labor at $999, and pocketing a HUGE profit. iTunes is now an incredible mess, and they are discontinuing support for music that we own in favor of streaming so that they can, again, charge an arm and a leg for services. Basically, Apple has become a 'profit above all else' company. A marketing and hype machine that sells mid level technology, mostly developed by other entities, at premium prices, for no other reason that it has an apple logo on it.
So... for now, I am happy with my LG V30. I have everything I need with this phone. When the time comes to replace it, I will be taking a long hard look at the other options. And there are lots of options available ... Pixel, Samsung, LG... to name a few. But a Cupertino designed, Chinese built product, under the current management, will most likely not be in my plans.

Not to mention, everything Apple does lately, seems to have Google or Android written all over it. For example, iCloud is in-fact storage supplied by Google. I myself am watching the ecosystems. I do like the V30. Never had a Pixel...never liked iPhones because of their heavy handed rule!

I think Google's Pixel will benefit greatly from its association with LG. Apple should not be the only beneficiary of LG's research and development. LG puts out very good hardware. The problem with LG is that they don't support that great hardware with great software. Yes, the software that they provide has features, but the fundamental implementation to support the hardware is lacking at this point in time. Their camera and DAC/Amp are a perfect example... The camera software is very aggressive in its processing, and their native music player leaves a lot to be desired in terms of functionality. Additionally, their marketing and sales strategy are the anti Apple/Samsung. They really make it hard for their base clients to get their products as they are being initially released, specially unlocked phones. They literally had their clients looking at other phones because the LG V30 was not available in certain major markets, so consumers were opting for a Samsung or Pixel2. Part of this may be carrier business driven, but if this is the case, its not helping them at all. There are no initial advantages to buying a phone through a carrier. You are not getting a discount, for the most part, from the major phones. The carriers are simply spreading the cost of the phone over a 24 month period, and locking you in into their contract. And consumers are increasingly wanting a level of independence from the major carriers.
IMO, a Google Pixel/LG partnership would greatly benefit both parties. Both can learn and profit from such an association.