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A lot of people are buzzing about changes to Google's privacy policies. From my understanding, they pool all of your Google things together to make the Google experience a little more streamlined. I looked at my Google dashboard and saw no surprises, and am completely fine with everything I saw there. A lot of sited like Gizmodo, Washington Post, etc, are claiming that this is a downward move for Google, and that it portrays corporate evil. They claim (and users who post in comments) that they're going to rid themselves of everything Google... why?
Am I missing something?
I love Google, I love their free services, I love their phones, I love Android. I can't just quit it all like these websites are saying people should.
Now, I don't fall in line with others or follow, for lack of a better term, but I feel like I'm missing something very large.
Google has access to my searches. Emails. Contacts.
Google can see my phones, what apps I download, where I am via Google Maps, etc.
Google knows who I am as a human.
This doesn't bother me, but I feel like it should. Please tell me what I'm missing, and tell me why its bad that they have access to all these things. Because right now I'm OK with that fact. Who am I? Why am I so important to them that they're looking at me out of the millions and millions of other people using their services, all equal with me?
Please help me understand this.
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Immediately following your post, I went to Gizmodo to read their article about Google's privacy changes (Google's Broken Promise: The End of "Don't Be Evil").
Being an occasional Gizmodo reader, I was surprised to see the moderator's reaction to the comments below the article. He used some pretty foul language and insults, very unbecoming of a Gizmodo employee.
Most of the commenters' quips seem to be questioning the sensationalism of the article, usually defending Google's stance. The majority of the comments are actually just backlash against the moderator, who in turn threatened bans against commenters whose opinions collided with his own.
I'm a die-hard Lifehacker fan... but it seems the Gawker network needs to clean house and hire some professionals.
PolyOlefin said:
I'm a die-hard Lifehacker fan... but it seems the Gawker network needs to clean house and hire some professionals.
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I agree. I do enjoy reading some Gawker sites, but they're getting really *****y and obnoxious lately.
So to the subject, should we be worried?
ztm.000 said:
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Doesn't this fall to a matter of trust?
Admittedly, I'm firmly in the Google camp when compared to the spectrum of its competitors. However, I'm also innately suspicious of corporate business, as their loyalty to profit trumps any consideration for their users/employees (Google is better than most).
They explicitly state they're not selling your information to third-parties; it's being used to improve their own services, which any company would do. Facebook is doing similar things, but people aren't going to abandon Facebook. As long as Google remains an anonymizing proxy between myself and other companies, I'm fine with it.
Ultimately, the average user doesn't have anything worth keeping secret from Google's algorithms. What's that? Google's ad-targeting you for dog collars because you posted a YouTube video of your basset hound swimming in a pool? Nobody cares.
In a Big Brother, "1984" sense, I suppose you could argue it's a slippery slope. Again, doesn't it boil down to individual trust? There are certain companies I trust more than others, and Google ranks pretty high on my list.
Am I being naive? Is my bias keeping their transgressions out of the light? Perhaps we need a Google-hater to weigh in for some perspective.
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I don't know, should you? Do you care that data Google took from you in Gmail is now being used while you're using Chrome? Because that's all that is changing.
They're not taking any additional data.
They're not removing anything.
They're taking what they already did, and applying it to all aspects of your Google accounts. IE: you'll see more similar ad's.
APOCALYPSE NIGH! Gizmodo is a joke.
I don't think we need to be worried.
Question is, what does Google want from us, our money they just want to sell us products. By combining data from all different Google services, they are just trying to create a profile for me, that will help them better identify what I may need, and try to sell it to us.
The problem lies with the fact that the aggregated data may become too incriminating if one has something to hide. But for me, the only fear is with that data being hacked and sold to those who like to operate above the law.
So is Google back to being evil? Nope, they never were. But they have a lot if power, and with great power, comes great responsibility.
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To sum it up, Google is simply taking all the information it already has of you throughout its services (Gmail, G+, YouTube, etc) and letting these services share this information between themselves.
Google is probably the only company I trust with my privacy. I suggest you take a look at Google's Policies & Principles page, where they list the new (and current) policy and how it affects you. Don't be afraid to read it, they're not hiding behind legal mumbo jumbo, they make it very easy to read and understand.
I'm pretty sure all of these sites are making a huge deal out of this because Google has consistently been pumping out successful services one after the other, and they're using this policy change to:
1) Get pageviews, and thus money, and
2) Its "fun" to try and see the "perfect kid around the block" fail.
Also, Gawker Media f* sucks and has for a very long time now.
We are not in position to point fingers and take positions. Nothing we know (at least for sure) about what google do with our data.
We just cant forget one thing: When the product is free, YOU are the product.
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Google could be a government front for a division of project echelon and I wouldn't care. I love their products and they give everything away for free with the exception of adwords. Win win for consumers when a company raises the bar and doesn't charge you for it.
The Google’s Broken Promise: The End of "Don’t Be Evil" article reminds me why I only ever visit Gizmodo a handful of times a year.
I don't care what Google do with my info if I'm honest, as long as they aren't selling it, and I'm not getting my inbox spammed with 100's of 'Canadian Pharmacy' e-mails I really couldn't give a ****.
Wow, I read article heading this morning and was saddened by the fact that Google had "gone Evil". I often skim the titles in my RSS feed (which includes Giz) when I've only got 10 minutes during breakfast to read the news.
After reading this thread, then that thread with its comments, I've lost a lot of respect for Gizmodo and its moderators. What sensationalist garbage. The authors never say what has even "changed" in the privacy policy, only that it was rewritten and the sharing of personal data between Google services is emphasized. Honestly, I had assumed that all of Google's services would be running the same ad targeting code anyway.
As one commenter in the Giz thread mentions, take a look at Facebook. Now that is scary. A network that defaults to public sharing whenever they roll out a new feature? I've lost count of the number of times I had to log on to Facebook specifically to check my privacy settings. Even so, I've erased as much of my personal information as possible, messing up my own experience, simply because I don't trust that Facebook cares even a little bit about me.
Yes, Google's a public company, and has first loyalty to its shareholders. However, it does that by cultivating a user base that trusts it. If they wreck that by sharing users' data with third parties or messing up search results (cough cough, get it together guys), they could see their entire company go down in flames. And that wouldn't be profitable at all.
Some of the editors in Gizmodo are terrible apple fan boys. I remember one article of one of them where he wrote that he had 2 ipads and how fantastic they were. He also said he had an android tablet that he claims gave him such a bad user experience that he had even forgotten where it was...
So many of these "news" websites are run by trendy hipster people that have no other choice than loathe Apple.
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PolyOlefin said:
Immediately following your post, I went to Gizmodo to read their article about Google's privacy changes (Google's Broken Promise: The End of "Don't Be Evil").
Being an occasional Gizmodo reader, I was surprised to see the moderator's reaction to the comments below the article. He used some pretty foul language and insults, very unbecoming of a Gizmodo employee.
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Gizmodo has always been an unprofessional, sensationalist blog. I intentionally quit reading after the iPhone 4 "stolen phone" debacle. It's like a bunch of high schoolers started a blog together.
As to the subject, if you don't see why you should be concerned, then don't worry about it. Everyone has different beliefs about privacy. Personally, I'm not very concerned about whatever data Google has, but I can understand why others do.
The End of "Don’t Be Evil"
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The End of "Don’t Be Evil"
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If you read this thread, you would see that we're actually about The End of The End of "Don't Be Evil"
Google knows my name
Google knows my screen names
Google knows my location
Google knows my devices
Google knows my home
Google sees my conversations
Google sees my emails
Google sees my search history
Google sees what I type
Google hears my voice
Google sees my face..........
Google now takes (what they already know) emails/gtalk and enhances my searches (which they already see), then can narrow it down by my location (which they already have).....
I fail to see a problem. Guys (not you... mostly opponents) we signed up for this when we entered the digital age. Our info is out there and have signed up to give it out. Quit *****ing and go live in your hole for the rest of your life. Here's a fact:
I opened my gmail, yahoo and Hotmail accounts at roughly the same time. Yahoo has become completely unusable due to spam, I'm obviously some Saudi Princes relative on Hotmail...... but gmail is spam free... there's a reason for it. I trust Google, I have to.
But I know there's a price for free service. 20 years ago we all had AAA subscriptions because we wanted the maps. Those maps we paid for didn't have street view, and we couldn't ask the map where the nearest restaurant was. We don't pay for these services... they are available for us for free.......
That's just my. 02
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I have absolutely no issue with this. I think it's obvious that Gizmodo wrote this article in this way to be an alarmist. It was designed to get readers and that's exactly what it did. In the end though, the article is really a POS.
Not sure why anyone, especially android fans, read gizmodo anymore. Check out the verge. They have much better and much less biased editors and writers.
lucasmalaguti said:
We are not in position to point fingers and take positions. Nothing we know (at least for sure) about what google do with our data.
We just cant forget one thing: When the product is free, YOU are the product.
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I don't disagree with you, but you are essentially describing the Internet as a whole.
I saw one commercial around original launch time for the galaxy nexus, and honestly it pushed Google+ harder than the hardware itself. I have not seen any unlocked galaxy nexus commercials in the US. I like having the exclusive phone and all, but this seems a bit ridiculous. There is no reason the galaxy nexus couldn't have way outperformed the note in sales. I still get asked all the time when I pay with google wallet, "Is that an iPhone?". No. "Oh, is that a droid?" No! Its cute to know there are so many ignorant people out there at first. However, it tends to get irritating that google spends so much time and so many resources on ICS to make it the beautiful experience that it is and then just watches the nexus line flop hopelessly on the floor while the cumbersome touchwiz and bloated sense dominate the market.
Can someone please explain to me why Google and Samsung insist on wasting all this time and all these resources on building such a great product to only slide it into a bookshelf to collect dust as it were?
Samsung has bigger fish to fry (SGII and probably the SGIII) which due to crapware probably make more money from these phones, and Google advertises on their own sites but wouldn't make a lot of sense for them to push a phone that they probably only make little profit off of.
Enjoy the fact that you have a phone that will get JB before basically anyone else, that you have stock android, and that you have one of the greatest dev community's of all time. OF ALL TIME!
Also, go into a Verizon store, you wouldn't even think that they sold a GNexus where I live (Pittsburgh, PA), Multiple Motorola/HTC shrines while the GNexus sits right next to the Bionic in the corner of forgotten phones.
I honestly don't know and I can't tell you. There's two things Google sucks at terribly: marketing and support.
Microsoft is in a similar boat. It doesn't matter how much either company innovates, they are incapable of letting people know their products exist and they fall to the wayside.
I loved Windows Media Centre when it first came out. But version after version of it has come and gone and little features have been added. I eventually switched to XBMC. Why? Because no one knows what Windows Media Centre is. Microsoft isn't wasting time on it for the few guys with TV tuners.
Take the above example and substitute almost all Google products in there. Wave, Buzz, even Google Docs. I use it all the time and it's a great product, but people see it and have no clue it exists. For that matter I doubt they even know you can use Microsoft's web based Word with SkyDrive.
The tech companies seem to be in this funk where they compete against each other for features, but forget to inform the public that they're even offering the services they launch. It's no wonder that Apple is dominating, look at how much more they spend on campaigns. iPod ads plastered all over buildings... even seniors know the word iPod even if they don't know what it is.
All Google needs to do to take over the world is hire people from Apple's marketing team. Make something viral. The last time they had that was with the Google search engine itself and Gmail. G+ while it's nice, only boomed with the intake of new tech heads. Sign-ups died right after because no consumers know it exists and Google has failed to tell them why it's any better than Facebook.
Here in my city, the Galaxy Nexus is actually kind of popular, but that's only because Bell and Virgin put out big billboards for it's launch. I say kind of, because those billboards are gone now that the launch is over. Bet you there's still a huge iPhone 4s sign in all of those stores though.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1382163
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1382163
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Wow really? This isn't a phone tech question but rather a topic of discussion.
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Wow really? This isn't a phone tech question but rather a topic of discussion.
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Not a question? lmao
[Q] Why is the Galaxy Nexus the red headed stepchild?
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By the tone of your post I think you are comparing your phone to a soulless bastard ginger.
I on the other hand I compare mine to that sleek sexy read head with an attitude and a desire to get dirty.
geez, how many more of these kinds of posts are we going to see?
Here... now everyone can feel better and we can go about our day.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1382163
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It says "!!ALL QUESTIONS GO IN THE Q&A FORUM!!", that's pretty clear.
Was this same bull**** present for the Nexus S and Nexus One?
Because I didn't see much for advertisement with them either.
Not that I care-- I don't purchase or put value on my purchases by how much they are marketed or known.
That said, I don't flaunt my phone around to a bunch of looky-lous for attention either.
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Was this same bull**** present for the Nexus S and Nexus One?
Because I didn't see much for advertisement with them either.
Not that I care-- I don't purchase or put value on my purchases by how much they are marketed or known.
That said, I don't flaunt my phone around to a bunch of looky-lous for attention either.
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The Nexus One was considered a flop by the industry. I personally was fully behind Google selling fully unlocked phones. I think if they could have gotten the price a bit less inflated and marketed it properly, the Nexus line could be more than it is now. I just don't think Google is that interested in selling phones. It's about the money and that comes from the licencing they get from other manufacturers.
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The Nexus One was considered a flop by the industry. I personally was fully behind Google selling fully unlocked phones. I think if they could have gotten the price a bit less inflated and marketed it properly, the Nexus line could be more than it is now. I just don't think Google is that interested in selling phones. It's about the money and that comes from the licencing they get from other manufacturers.
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I wasn't aware that Google licensed Android to OEM's. Pretty sure it's free because it's under the GPL.
No it is not under the GPL. Most of it is Apache licensed, with a few things under GPL. There are also closed source portions. Some things do have to be licensed to OEMs. Otherwise, they would never legally be able to offer google apps on their devices ootb, be able to sync with Google Calendar, and several other things.
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No it is not under the GPL. Most of it is Apache licensed, with a few things under GPL. There are also closed source portions. Some things do have to be licensed to OEMs. Otherwise, they would never legally be able to offer google apps on their devices ootb, be able to sync with Google Calendar, and several other things.
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Ahh I forgot about the proprietary Google Apps. Makes sense.
thequinox said:
The Nexus One was considered a flop by the industry. I personally was fully behind Google selling fully unlocked phones. I think if they could have gotten the price a bit less inflated and marketed it properly, the Nexus line could be more than it is now. I just don't think Google is that interested in selling phones. It's about the money and that comes from the licencing they get from other manufacturers.
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It's a reference phone. That's all that is. This reference phone has two purposes:
1) Flagship device: "beta" test the next Android update with newer hardware.
2) Reference... its a prototype to suggest what the minimum hardware should be.
Nexus One set the standard for all future phones to have a 1GHz CPU.
I agree with adrynalyne. The Galaxy Nexus has a great developer community and support with great ROMs/kernels. I can really care less if the Galaxy Nexus isn't as popular as a iPhone or Galaxy S series. Just know that the Galaxy Nexus is a flagship device and will get Android 5.0 before any other phones get it (with the exception of the next "Nexus" flagship)
As I understand it, Apple apparently has patented searching multiple things from the same UI, and Android violates that patent. The judge issued an injunction against Samsung, Google was forced to stop selling the Nexus, and now Google is releasing an "OTA update" to this device which restricts the search bar to searching the web only so they can continue selling it.
http://gizmodo.com/5923895/google-beats-galaxy-nexus-ban-by-making-it-worse
So I'm wondering if anybody has some insights on what this means for us. Will this update be done using the same mechanism that the Market/Play Store updates itself, which would mean that it would impact CM users too?
Also, my wife has the international GNexus running stock - will they cripple that too, even though it's sold overseas? If so, how do they determine which phones will get the update (IMEI maybe)?
All that said - does anybody know how to avoid this update if/when it comes for us?
It means that people running stock ICS and stock JB will have a slightly different method and capability of searching with the Google Search bar. ICS devices will get an OTA to remove the functionality, and the fixes will be baked into the JB OTA also.
Surely custom ROMs will bring back any functionality that was removed by the OTAs or software patches. Only time will tell.
As far as avoiding the update.. I don't see why you would. If you care that much, you're probably just going to be flashing a ROM anyways, which will then do what you want it to do. Don't not accept the OTA because it may change the search bar a little bit... its just going to keep you from getting future OTAs.
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As I understand it, Apple apparently has patented searching multiple things from the same UI, and Android violates that patent. The judge issued an injunction against Samsung, Google was forced to stop selling the Nexus, and now Google is releasing an "OTA update" to this device which restricts the search bar to searching the web only so they can continue selling it.
http://gizmodo.com/5923895/google-beats-galaxy-nexus-ban-by-making-it-worse
So I'm wondering if anybody has some insights on what this means for us. Will this update be done using the same mechanism that the Market/Play Store updates itself, which would mean that it would impact CM users too?
Also, my wife has the international GNexus running stock - will they cripple that too, even though it's sold overseas? If so, how do they determine which phones will get the update (IMEI maybe)?
All that said - does anybody know how to avoid this update if/when it comes for us?
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Cripple? Really? Why are people such sensationalists about the littlest of things? So you won't be able to search for an app or a song on your phone from the search box. It doesn't mean you can't just open the app drawer and find the app yourself or open the music app and search for the song from there, or go into your email and search, etc., etc. All this is doing is adding an extra step, an extra tap of the screen if you will.
And, No, I don't agree with the patent issue and wish it wasn't happening but this is becoming ridiculous the way people act like they're taking away their first born. Either get over it or do something about it. People have started petitions, there are already groups that are trying to reform the patent system, send an email or pick up the phone and call your local Congressman.
I'm sorry for being coarse but this is old news and yet, here we are, in a shiny new thread discussing more of the same. The ironic thing is, theoretically considering that most everyone here is using an Android phone it seems there are a lot of those people who do not know what Google is.
Again, I apologize. I'm just as frustrated about the issue as anyone else but there are conversations in place that have a lot of information, there's no reason to have more than one dialogue. I enjoy using XDA and having discussions and learning new things but I get just as frustrated with having to sift through the redundancy and hyperbole. Sorry, rant over (and out). :silly:
All my search bar brings up is internet results anyways
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This is in JB
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Good news:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57467998-94/galaxy-nexus-ban-temporarily-lifted/
Hello to Canadian Galaxy Nexus owners. If, like me, you are angry at the lack of response from Google or Samsung as to when our yakjuux firmware phones are going to be updated, here's where to complain:
Competition Bureau of Canada (I'm too new to post a link, apparently, but you can google it.)
They have a toll free number in "Contact Us". You'll talk to a real person.
This agency is responsible for investigating claims of false advertising in Canada. I have lodged a complaint against both Google and Samsung over the false claims that the phone I bought was a "Pure Google Experience" phone which would receive operating system updates in a timely fashion due to lack of carrier or manufacturer customization. I suggest you do the same, as the more complaints on an issue they receive, the higher profile the problem becomes for them. I don't know if it will help, but if you would like to reference my file number (R608849), feel free.
Individually, Google has been ignoring us for months. Perhaps the Canadian Government will have better luck.
Enjoy,
Fox
considering google doesnt publish the update directly to yakjuux, you cant really be angry at google.
point the finger at samsung.
Just change your phone to yakju and you won't have to complain. I did that months ago and have always been happy. The process was easy and very well documented on this site.
My co-worker stayed on yakjuux until this week. I was always getting updates that he wasn't.
It is okay to complain if you know you will get positive results. But in this case, it will just be a waste of time because there is no legal definition of "timely".
Just flash the phone to yakju.
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I don't really recall any concrete specific promises that would hold up as "false advertising", but it's been a while since I saw the ads so I don't really remember. The definitions of "timely updates" and "pure Google experience" are probably not set in stone and could be argued by either side for whatever strengthens their argument.
It sucks that yakjuux isn't getting updated, but I have a feeling most people on a developer-oriented site such as XDA would probably just spend a few minutes converting their phone to yakju/takju and be done with it rather than go on a crusade trying to get the government involved. Just saying...
I am fully aware that I can flash my phone to yakju, but I've had several friends buy this phone on my recommendation who won't do such a thing. They'll be stuck with the random reboots, low volume, etc, and I want to help them out too. Again, in this thread, people have repeated the line that Google doesn't publish the update for yakjuux phone, but I have yet to see a source from Google for that claim. The only official statement I've seen is Samsung claiming that it DOES come straight from Google. (Yes, I know that Samsung could be wrong/lying about this, but until I see an official word from Google that contradicts it, it's the only thing close to an official story I have.)
Anyway, it's the principle of the thing, now. I want them to give us what we were all led to believe we would get from this phone.
Not even 'could be' lying. ARE lying.
I think the problem here is with samsung, Google was not even aware of the regional variants when the phones started to roll out. Secondly, I don't think going to the BBB or any other method of escalation is going to do anything. The phones in Canada are not marketed as being updated by Google, nor is there any statement regarding the guaranteed updating of the phone.
Regardless of the marketing, the Nexus line of phones is not for novice phone users who want a seamless experience, for those people, i tend to recommend the Galaxy 2/3 line of phones and/or the iPhone as it suites their needs better.
End recommendation: if you can't be bothered to flash a rom, you should not have gotten a Nexus in the first place. If they still insist on getting the Nexus, it takes 1 minute to flash stock yakju to a phone, do it for them - or have them order it through the play store.
Edit: Just for you FoxHoleAtheist - I posted this a while back.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25535165&postcount=461
Matridom said:
I think the problem here is with samsung, Google was not even aware of the regional variants when the phones started to roll out. Secondly, I don't think going to the BBB or any other method of escalation is going to do anything. The phones in Canada are not marketed as being updated by Google, nor is there any statement regarding the guaranteed updating of the phone.
Regardless of the marketing, the Nexus line of phones is not for novice phone users who want a seamless experience, for those people, i tend to recommend the Galaxy 2/3 line of phones and/or the iPhone as it suites their needs better.
End recommendation: if you can't be bothered to flash a rom, you should not have gotten a Nexus in the first place. If they still insist on getting the Nexus, it takes 1 minute to flash stock yakju to a phone, do it for them - or have them order it through the play store.
Edit: Just for you FoxHoleAtheist - I posted this a while back.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25535165&postcount=461
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I completely disagree. The Nexus isn't intended as a developer's-only phone.. it's marketed to anyone and everyone who wants a pure google phone. Those regular users who buy them shouldn't be forced to A) search out relatively obscure tutorials on message boards and B) void their warranty to get the updates their phones need to work properly.
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Again, in this thread, people have repeated the line that Google doesn't publish the update for yakjuux phone, but I have yet to see a source from Google for that claim.
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From JBQ himself:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/android-building/kMhE-Orl5Kk
Can you quote the Samsung source saying the other variants do get updates from Google? (I'm not questioning you here at all, I just haven't seen that and would like to be fully informed on the topic). The Samsung updates are served from Google servers, but as far as I know Samsung prepares the update for Google to host.
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A) search out relatively obscure tutorials on message boards
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Though I can certainly understand less technical people not wanting to do it, or even knowing where to look for instructions, efrant has a great guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1626895 ... just in case you ever want to point someone to a proper howto.
and B) void their warranty to get the updates their phones need to work properly.
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I don't know if it actually voids the warranty. Even if it does, you can 100% restore the phone to the stock state so they can never tell. And to my knowledge back to the Nexus One days, no Nexus phone has ever been refused warranty if it was an actual hardware problem that wasn't caused by software.
Sorry, this is getting off the original topic... just wanted to provide some info.
If you are not willing to fix it yourself then file a complaint against Samsung.
Most people complain through the wrong channels or just don't complain because they don't know who will listen and can actually do anything about it.
Thanks for posting the info.
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I completely disagree. The Nexus isn't intended as a developer's-only phone.. it's marketed to anyone and everyone who wants a pure google phone. Those regular users who buy them shouldn't be forced to A) search out relatively obscure tutorials on message boards and B) void their warranty to get the updates their phones need to work properly.
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I never said it was a developers phone. I stated it was not for novices. this phone is on the bleeding edge of android, it's expected to have issues.
Ya I didn't wait or bother, I just unlocked and rooted and be done with being a slave to anyone when my phone gets updated. Never looked back.
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Hello to Canadian Galaxy Nexus owners. If, like me, you are angry at the lack of response from Google or Samsung as to when our yakjuux firmware phones are going to be updated, here's where to complain:
Competition Bureau of Canada (I'm too new to post a link, apparently, but you can google it.)
They have a toll free number in "Contact Us". You'll talk to a real person.
This agency is responsible for investigating claims of false advertising in Canada. I have lodged a complaint against both Google and Samsung over the false claims that the phone I bought was a "Pure Google Experience" phone which would receive operating system updates in a timely fashion due to lack of carrier or manufacturer customization. I suggest you do the same, as the more complaints on an issue they receive, the higher profile the problem becomes for them. I don't know if it will help, but if you would like to reference my file number (R608849), feel free.
Individually, Google has been ignoring us for months. Perhaps the Canadian Government will have better luck.
Enjoy,
Fox
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I know how you feel I have the Nexus S was suppose to get the 4.0 first after Gnex and that didn't happend. Just asking like that in a friendly way. But could Google or Samsung be mad at you cause you modified their device and their rom ?
I'm not pretty sure but I'm pretty sure somewhere there's a word or 2 about not modifying anything of Samsung or Google. Just saying don't want any problem or start a fight
Goes both ways I guess. No offense
Canadian here, but dont care. I'd rather flash my own firmwares.
Although I agree with you FoxholeAtheist, I don't think a forum like xda-developers is the right place to champion your cause, as most of the folks here will have the same response that speedyink just posted above. Maybe go to the Rogers/Bell/Telus forums and post it there. Just sayin'.
I could have swore that Google marketed the nexus line as a developer phone since its conception. I don't see you getting much support for your cause on a forum for developers. Most here have flashed their ROM and moved on.
They marketed the Nexus One as such, and never again. People just ASSumed. It is a consumer device with development abilities.
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You have no grounds to complain. Nobody is obligated to give time lines for updates. Doing so, and missing the date, means a huge backlash for the company... it's not the risk for them to do that.
As others have suggested. Just flash updates yourself. I'm Canadian and have been running Jellybean since it was first available.
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You have no right to complain, nor will the Competition Bureau do anything about it.
The Nexus is marketed as a Pure Google phone. This much you are correct about... However 4.0.2 ICS is still a "pure google experience". They never made any guarantees as to when you'd be receiving updates, if you receive them at all. This is all based on what you believe they should do, not what they told you they would do.
Beyond this, flashing to Yakju/Takju is as easy as pie if you follow efrants thread... you don't even have to flash the regional radio... you can keep it completely 100% stock "Pure Google/Updated by Google" experience like I did and be happy.
Your efforts in complaining will be fruitless. The competition bureau will not investigate this claim based on what you believe, they will look at what you were told, which was basically nothing.
I recently got a notification that google will no longer be available to Huawei devices is this only for the new Huawei devices or is this for the old devices too? If this is for the old devices too then what will happen to the old Huawei android users? Will we still be able to use google services in our phones? This news is heartbreaking for Huawei users
768mehadi said:
I recently got a notification that google will no longer be available to Huawei devices is this only for the new Huawei devices or is this for the old devices too? If this is for the old devices too then what will happen to the old Huawei android users? Will we still be able to use google services in our phones? This news is heartbreaking for Huawei users
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New devices only. Both Huawei and Google confirmed that Google play services and security updates will remain as they are for current phones
this should be called ...
Trump against the rest of the world! What this person does is not sustainable!
he provokes what nobody wants ...
Sorry, but that's my opinion !!!
PatrickPa_1 said:
this should be called ...
Trump against the rest of the world! What this person does is not sustainable!
he provokes what nobody wants ...
Sorry, but that's my opinion !!!
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Putting Huawei in the us trade blacklist is ok... But why does it have to do with the Huawei customers outside the US. Till date i did not have any problem with Trump but this policy is too much to take... Although Huawei is one of the most popular phones in the market and it runs on android. Why can't Google change their base to some other place to avoid this kind of policy?
Stupid trump policy
768mehadi said:
Putting Huawei in the us trade blacklist is ok... But why does it have to do with the Huawei customers outside the US. Till date i did not have any problem with Trump but this policy is too much to take... Although Huawei is one of the most popular phones in the market and it runs on android. Why can't Google change their base to some other place to avoid this kind of policy?
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It's not very easy for a company the size of Google to just move out of a country. Even though Huawei is the second best selling android phone company, it's still not financially viable to move HQ to a different place
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Also there is still the option that Google may be whitelisted from the new policy. It's still beeing discussed
It's interesting how some comment on Trump policy as stupid and devastating which might be true but from the same ranks I never heard complaining about Chine doing even worse for years. Their smartphones don't have google products cause they are banned from China if I understood correctly. Now when someone finally strikes back, we should call him stupid? I'd rather call him tough. So let's really consider who started it.
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It's interesting how some comment on Trump policy as stupid and devastating which might be true but from the same ranks I never heard complaining about Chine doing even worse for years. Their smartphones don't have google products cause they are banned from China if I understood correctly. Now when someone finally strikes back, we should call him stupid? I'd rather call him tough. So let's really consider who started it.
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Yes we should call him stupid because his decision is affecting the entire world not just China. If he wanted to retaliate this way he should have tought about the consequences this brings to other people
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Yes we should call him stupid because his decision is affecting the entire world not just China. If he wanted to retaliate this way he should have thought about the consequences this brings to other people
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On the contrary. We should call China government stupid because their decision first affected whole Chine and now brought reaction with consequences to entire world. And if you think that it is wise to let someone dictate which products should be banned from his country no matter what consequences than really Chine is wise, and Trump also. But if his decision is stupid you should know that his decision is in fact reaction, while sole decision burden lies on China alone. And if you can't comprehend that, well, than you're not the one whose opinion on stupidity should matter among reasonable men. It was really time that someone gives China dictatorship a taste of their own recipe. For that I congratulate Trump.
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On the contrary. We should call China government stupid because their decision first affected whole Chine and now brought reaction with consequences to entire world. And if you think that it is wise to let someone dictate which products should be banned from his country no matter what consequences than really Chine is wise, and Trump also. But if his decision is stupid you should know that his decision is in fact reaction, while sole decision burden lies on China alone. And if you can't comprehend that, well, than you're not the one whose opinion on stupidity should matter among reasonable men. It was really time that someone gives China dictatorship a taste of their own recipe. For that I congratulate Trump.
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I don't agree with you at all but I'm not going to start a discussion with someone on the Internet. Have a good day. (also saying people's opinion doesn't matter is not the right way of making an argument. People have different opinions)
Here's some facts and opinions to put on the table:
Huawei shouldn't be advancing this fast (power consumerism basically, just like us buying things we don't need), and USA government is scared with reason, and banned some stuff, this is OK.
USA, Google and Huawei should agree on a policy to only affect Google services on USA and not on all countries where Google is implemented, that's wrong.
Donald Trump needs to be teached something it wasn't in the past, but he's "grown up" by now and the parents weren't capable probably too. People with money aren't really happy I'll tell you that, it's just not true hapiness.
Google has too much power, which is somewhat controlled, but it's too much, even for the quantity of people managing it.
I agree with some people here. There must be actions, but the right ones.
Cheers,
AS
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I don't agree with you at all but I'm not going to start a discussion with someone on the Internet. Have a good day. (also saying people's opinion doesn't matter is not the right way of making an argument. People have different opinions)
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I didn't say things that you accuse me of. While you did say that WE should call POTUS stupid. That WE includes ME. So if you want to make impression that you respect different opinions maybe you shouldn't do it in the same thread where you say how EVERYBODY should call someone stupid. And then after you're given a sip of your own meal then you want to make a step back and pretend you stand for opinion diversity. Well that's stupid according to my opinion.
And also if you are not going to start a discussion with someone than it is your choice not to do it. But you did exactly the opposite here i.e. you did start a discussion with someone.
The president of USA is an idiot and that's a fact - just watch some documentaries. They are scared of 5G, they don't care about any smartphones Huawei makes. I really do hope Huawei sorts this out and if not that their Ark OS is going to surprise us all, even if it's just an AOSP or Linux mod. I do use Google services but after that stupid decision I have started doing backups to my local, Polish cloud services just in case that idiot does something to European Union. None of the EU countries banned Huawei and they don't plan to (Angela Merkel confirmed recently).
USA is loosing power, they will eventually start a serious trade war with the East because the East is just unstoppable now. Did you see the recent MWC in Barcelona? Not even a single, innovative tech from the West over there, everyone is enjoying the Chinese tech currently, they are HUGE in Europe and I hope it stays that way. We need more players on the market and who else could win with Samsung and Apple (all USA backed) if not Huawei?
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The president of USA is an idiot and that's a fact - just watch some documentaries. They are scared of 5G, they don't care about any smartphones Huawei makes. I really do hope Huawei sorts this out and if not that their Ark OS is going to surprise us all, even if it's just an AOSP or Linux mod. I do use Google services but after that stupid decision I have started doing backups to my local, Polish cloud services just in case that idiot does something to European Union. None of the EU countries banned Huawei and they don't plan to (Angela Merkel confirmed recently).
USA is loosing power, they will eventually start a serious trade war with the East because the East is just unstoppable now. Did you see the recent MWC in Barcelona? Not even a single, innovative tech from the West over there, everyone is enjoying the Chinese tech currently, they are HUGE in Europe and I hope it stays that way. We need more players on the market and who else could win with Samsung and Apple (all USA backed) if not Huawei?
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I think they should learn with the elderly ones
My country itself has like more than 800 years and the size is like x100 times or more smaller than the USA XD which was created in 1700 XD.
And I'm not just talking about my country, but most of the countries in Europe as old as hell.
XD
Huawei can atleast start to release bootloader codes to their users of requested because atleast we have a chance to use custom roms available but rather they sent to let users give the unlock code
Majority of users don't care about locked bootloader.