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[Q] Almost full?

My Original Kindle Fire is almost full and I don't know why?
No Pictures and only a few really small compressed movies only totaling a little more than 2 gigs... I have installed JandyCane and then now I'm on CM10 SG7 and after every successful install I delete old roms as to take up less space... But my kindle says less than 400MB left! Where is my space?!

/sdcard/Android/data...perhaps?

What normally is in that folder?

Perhaps twrp backups are taking a large portion of space. I keep 2 the rest I move to my computer if I want to save them. That leaves me with about 1 gig of free space.

If you have Google Currents installed, that takes up a ton of space. You could delete the app data from that and uninstall it to save space.
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Install DiskUsage from the play store and you'll get a graphic representation of what's using space.

1) Do you have dualboot configured
2) Have you tried looking around with ES File Explorer

x-y-no said:
Install DiskUsage from the play store and you'll get a graphic representation of what's using space.
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Nice! Thank you! Disk Usage worked great. Turns out I had a huge backup from TWRP of almost 900MB and my movies were a really big chunk of space of actually over 3 gigs... These Kindles really don't allow for much storage .... Oh well deleted most of the movies and freed up a lot of space.
Thanks all!

Also check lost.dir, it can fill up with rather large file pieces that can simply be deleted.
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[Q] not enough memory

I am having problems trying to install a few apps.
I keep getting error not enough space. Free up some space and try again.
Any suggestions? tried cache fixer and sweeper. Still the same.
G-Pad stock rom rooted with 64GB micro fitted

ozzyjah said:
I am having problems trying to install a few apps.
I keep getting error not enough space. Free up some space and try again.
Any suggestions? tried cache fixer and sweeper. Still the same.
G-Pad stock rom rooted with 64GB micro fitted
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Check around before posting. Just a few posts down was this question.

colwellkr said:
Check around before posting. Just a few posts down was this question.
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I have tried to move apps to external card. All I get is The device does not have a real primary external storage,
or the primary external storage is emulated.
Moving app to sd function cannot be supported by this device.
Rom Tool box says the same thing, moving to external not possible on this device.
My internal memory is approx 9GB free my external is approx 18GB free.
It also says system rom: 2.21 GB (297 MB free)
Internal and media: 11.8 GB (9.91 GB free)
I have just uninstall-ed around 20 apps, so I can now update the installed apps without problems.
Now I am going to re-install to see how far I get before it tells me "not enough space".
I have nearly triple the amount of apps on my galaxy S3 and never run out of space.
I just wanted to add. No problems with my 64GB SD card. I have 4500 music tracks on it as well as 4 movies and approx 2000 photos. All work without a hitch.

Not big enough to be a "large tablet," but too big to gracefully use.

Lucien2 said:
Not big enough to be a "large tablet," but too big to gracefully use.
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Huh?

Lucien2 said:
Not big enough to be a "large tablet," but too big to gracefully use.
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Judging by some of the recent comments this evening, I think someone has been at the saké and the fortune cookies
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why root

Is the only reason to root a fire tv to install a custom ROM. Will XBMC still run on a un-rooted device
I have a device that is rooted and only use it for XBMC. Last week it locked up. Going to send it in but they will probably install the latest firmware on it. Thats OK as long as I can still install and use XBMC
Thanks Rick

Lots of reasons to root but no you don't need it for xbmc.

typically rooting only give you access to customizing the actual OS and running certain apps (like openvpn). to use xbmc and 99% of apps, you do not need root..

Rooting ftv
Is is true that if you dont root, Amazons updates can brick your device so you cants use XBMC anymore?

Rooting is keeping your options open for the future.
1. If XBMC or sideloading is ever blocked by Amazon by future updates then rooting w/recovery installed gives you a chance to block the Amazon update.
2. Rooting allow use of USB external hard drive for storage of media with access via xbmc.
3. Possible custom rom in the future. It would be nice to get Android TV onto this box.
4. Root allows you to use an external SSD to essentially replace the 8gb storage and put a lot of games/apps on the Firetv.
5. Allows you to put on a cleaned up Amazon update that could close up the possibility of sideloading.

To add to the above list for me the most needed are.
1. Quick support from google play. You need root for live desktop/remote view. I can support my friends and family remotely.
2. Emulators from google play which needs to be purchased.
3. Change the icon to Kodi.
4. Upcoming custom rom of android TV.
5. Removal of Amazon enforced menu items.
plus the others mentioned such as USB drives.

navigates said:
To add to the above list for me the most needed are.
3. Change the icon to Kodi.
plus the others mentioned such as USB drives.
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You can change icon to Kodi without root. Thats what I do with my non rooted boxes.

yazyazoo said:
Rooting is keeping your options open for the future.
1. If XBMC or sideloading is ever blocked by Amazon by future updates then rooting w/recovery installed gives you a chance to block the Amazon update.
2. Rooting allow use of USB external hard drive for storage of media with access via xbmc.
3. Possible custom rom in the future. It would be nice to get Android TV onto this box.
4. Root allows you to use an external SSD to essentially replace the 8gb storage and put a lot of games/apps on the Firetv.
5. Allows you to put on a cleaned up Amazon update that could close up the possibility of sideloading.
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How do you upgrade the internal apps storage(#4)?

nebulink said:
You can change icon to Kodi without root. Thats what I do with my non rooted boxes.
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Are you sure. I try adbfire on non rooted ones and change of icone does not take effect. I always thought it was a rooted feature. That's good to know.
By the way bestbuys in LA now have the latest non rooted versions. Its sad.
There should be a new way to root. these devices are getting scarce by the day. I always have people come up to me and ask if I can make them one, and I direct them to find a correct piece.

Amazon can't stop you from using Kodi (at the moment).

USB storage is enough reason for me to have the aftv rooted.

krasny2k5 said:
USB storage is enough reason for me to have the aftv rooted.
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I still haven't seen the need to expand my storage beyond native. I have kodi with a library of about 200 movies and google play and a few apps. haven't seen the need for additional space . One point to note here is that I did recover about 2 GB of my lost space by running a google play software called SDMaid Pro. That scans for orphan files that are not required and cleans up space. Costs about 2.50. That again needs root for google play.

navigates said:
I still haven't seen the need to expand my storage beyond native. I have kodi with a library of about 200 movies and google play and a few apps. haven't seen the need for additional space . One point to note here is that I did recover about 2 GB of my lost space by running a google play software called SDMaid Pro. That scans for orphan files that are not required and cleans up space. Costs about 2.50. That again needs root for google play.
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Really?
I'm always having to delete apps to make room for others.. it's a pain
I have a few large-ish games like Game of Thrones, The Wolf Among Us (with all episodes it takes up a lot of space)
8GB is tiny

DN38416 said:
Really?
I'm always having to delete apps to make room for others.. it's a pain
I have a few large-ish games like Game of Thrones, The Wolf Among Us (with all episodes it takes up a lot of space)
8GB is tiny
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Oh maybe then. I'm not into playing games. the only games i have is the emulators like md.emu for sega or mame etc. those are really small. If your into games then yes 8gb can be a limitation. Also give SDmaid a shot. you'll need google play to get the pro version that matches orphans and recovers lost space. I got 2 gb back which is a good thing with a space strapped storage.
The day I need to expand the storage which I may need as I have about 1.5 gb remaining. I'll look around as to which script to use. i believe by expanding, the firetv bootup becomes slow. I also got a usb 2.0 hub during the black friday sale from staples for 2 bucks. I didn't know what to buy then so got the hub. Its targus and still packed.

bumpaudio said:
How do you upgrade the internal apps storage(#4)?
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I haven't done it personally.
http://www.aftvnews.com/how-to-use-a-usb-drive-as-the-fire-tvs-internal-storage/

yazyazoo said:
I haven't done it personally.
http://www.aftvnews.com/how-to-use-a-usb-drive-as-the-fire-tvs-internal-storage/
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thanks I've seen that in the past. I will try that when needed but for now I'm ok with the internal storage. I plan to buy the m.2 ssd and put it in an enclosure when I'm ready.

I didn't want to open a thread just to post this but what are the cons of an unlocked bootloader. I'm already rooted with the playstore installed but why would or should I unlock my bootloader?

So wait, are amazon planning on blocking sideloading apps? Where has this info came from? I don't yet have a fire tv but if they are gonna block sideloading, I'll spend my £70 elsewhere. Not a single chance I'd be subscribing to prime or anything like that.

cliffyboro said:
So wait, are amazon planning on blocking sideloading apps? Where has this info came from? I don't yet have a fire tv but if they are gonna block sideloading, I'll spend my £70 elsewhere. Not a single chance I'd be subscribing to prime or anything like that.
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no one knows. And if you are still contemplating, you probably have missed out on the rootable ones. However if you are in the UK, that is a no go anyways unless you go through the hardware root. I highly doubt Amazon will disable sideloading, however there is no telling what they will do eventually. If you are rooted and update blocked, then you can always use your device the way you want.
PS: Lots of us have extra's for the rainy day ! Its a super fun toy to play with. Unlocator, Streaming. I'd say go for it. Its given me hours of tinkering around fun.

As I've said on many other occasions, they can't disable sideloading. That is, as long as they expect people to still develop apps for the Fire TV.

[Q] What can you do with a Rooted FireTV?

I have always rooted my phones, like the flexibility.
But the FireTV needs to be wife friendly, what are some of the benefits of rooting this device?

What are the reasons for rooting any device? Same here

I was looking for example's... On my phone backing up apps is important. I can think of no reason to back up an app I would be using on fire TV.
I was hoping for examples of things that can be done on a rooted FireTV that can not be done on a non-rooted one.
Thanks
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ekeefe41 said:
I was looking for example's... On my phone backing up apps is important. I can think of no reason to back up an app I would be using on fire TV.
I was hoping for examples of things that can be done on a rooted FireTV that can not be done on a non-rooted one.
Thanks
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Well, since the last update i feel like im using less root features but im definetly not one to advocate factory resetting (unrooting) You just dont know if there will be something you need in the future & imo you forfeit control to amazon if you unroot or choose not to root when you can.
I might want to flash a custom rom. Thats probably the best reason i can think of to keep root. As far as "wife friendliness" from my personal experience youre looking at apple tv 3, but skills vary from person to person. Theres really nothing about my rooted aftv that differs from stock as far as basic user experiences.

ekeefe41 said:
I was hoping for examples of things that can be done on a rooted FireTV that can not be done on a non-rooted one.
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1- A true Kodi launcher is probably the best feature that also provides access to Amazon content. Never have to see that wretched Fire TV home screen unless wanting to access Amazon content.
2- The ability to have usage of USB external storage above and beyond what Amazon is now offering.
3- The ability to add the Google Play Store to the Fire TV.
I'm sure there are even more reasons for rooting a Fire TV. With root this device is no longer Amazon centric and I prefer it to be just this way.

A few of the obvious ones:
- Mount NTFS usb drives with StickMount
- Full control of the FireTV (edit hosts file, run custom scripts etc...)
- Custom Recovery menu
- Custom bootmenu
- Custom Roms (CyanogenMod, possibly CentOS etc... in the future)
- Ability to downgrade to older firmware versions
- Ability to re-add any features amazon remove in future
You basically have absolute control of the device and can do with it what you like. It's not a requirement for the FireTV to be a great device, but I think it rooted AFTV is worth 10x a non rooted device, but that's just me

ekeefe41 said:
I was looking for example's... On my phone backing up apps is important. I can think of no reason to back up an app I would be using on fire TV.
I was hoping for examples of things that can be done on a rooted FireTV that can not be done on a non-rooted one.
Thanks
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I have one fire tv rooted and one non rooted. On the rooted fire tv I have a 128 gig ssd connected to my fire tv, so I can install pretty much as many games as I would like. Although the new firmware allows the use of usb drives it is still limited. An example is Asphalt 8 will only put the basic app on the usb drive not the 1.4 gig data. I can backup my entire fire tv not just apps. So once I have everything the way I like I can protect that setup with a backup. I am using Squarehome tablet and it is very customizable if you have root. It works without but some important features like themes don't work as well without root. I can customize Squarehome and make my home screen look like whatever I want. I can have some of my favorite apps or all my apps on the home screen, and I can have them with tabs such as Games, Entertainment, System, Video or whatever. I don't have to worry about SPMC or Kodi running out of space, or creating an xml file to move thumbnails etc. I can connect my PS3 controller using sixaxis which I believe requires root. I don't have to buy amazon's controller for $40. With root I can use wallpapers and themes on whatever launcher I'm using. No one has to root their fire tv but once you do you'll see many benefits. It becomes your device and not Amazon's where all you can do is buy their movies games and apps.

Really the only reason having mine is rooted is beneficial is that it boots right into Kodi.

roligov said:
A few of the obvious ones:
- Mount NTFS usb drives with StickMount
- Full control of the FireTV (edit hosts file, run custom scripts etc...)
- Custom Recovery menu
- Custom bootmenu
- Custom Roms (CyanogenMod, possibly CentOS etc... in the future)
- Ability to downgrade to older firmware versions
- Ability to re-add any features amazon remove in future
You basically have absolute control of the device and can do with it what you like. It's not a requirement for the FireTV to be a great device, but I think it rooted AFTV is worth 10x a non rooted device, but that's just me
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NTFS is apparently the ONLY file system that the FTV/latest pre-rooted firmware does not mess with. (This was driving me crazy.) If you are running OSX you can follow this excellent video on how to enable read/write NTFS on your Mac: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-2NCRcylK0

I've been using Stick Mount Pro from day 1 of root. Had a few issues mounting every now and then, but it's been working flawlessly the last few releases.

mcsephoenix said:
Really the only reason having mine is rooted is beneficial is that it boots right into Kodi.
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How did you do this?

cpugeeker said:
How did you do this?
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This thread explains it...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2790392

Adblock and Custom launcher *without using llama or whatever* are the only reasons you should need to want to root your firetv.

HeXDeMoN said:
Adblock and Custom launcher *without using llama or whatever* are the only reasons you should need to want to root your firetv.
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I use root mainly for quicksupport to help my family and friends. You cannot do that without rooting and google play is needed to buy emulators that work very well on the firetv. Expanding basic storage it around the horizon for me as my space is getting very limited.

mcsephoenix said:
Really the only reason having mine is rooted is beneficial is that it boots right into Kodi.
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You can do that on a non-rooted FireTV with Llama.

dk1keith said:
I have one fire tv rooted and one non rooted. On the rooted fire tv I have a 128 gig ssd connected to my fire tv, so I can install pretty much as many games as I would like. Although the new firmware allows the use of usb drives it is still limited. An example is Asphalt 8 will only put the basic app on the usb drive not the 1.4 gig data. I can backup my entire fire tv not just apps. So once I have everything the way I like I can protect that setup with a backup. I am using Squarehome tablet and it is very customizable if you have root. It works without but some important features like themes don't work as well without root. I can customize Squarehome and make my home screen look like whatever I want. I can have some of my favorite apps or all my apps on the home screen, and I can have them with tabs such as Games, Entertainment, System, Video or whatever. I don't have to worry about SPMC or Kodi running out of space, or creating an xml file to move thumbnails etc. I can connect my PS3 controller using sixaxis which I believe requires root. I don't have to buy amazon's controller for $40. With root I can use wallpapers and themes on whatever launcher I'm using. No one has to root their fire tv but once you do you'll see many benefits. It becomes your device and not Amazon's where all you can do is buy their movies games and apps.
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If I may resurrect this old thread, I have a few questions about how specifically some of these feats are accomplished:
1. How specifically does root allow one to work around the problem of games like Asphalt 8 insisting on keeping its large amount of data on internal storage?
2. What tool do you use for doing a full Fire TV backup?
3. This might be related to number 1, but how specifically do you keep Kodi/SPMC from burning up all the local storage without resorting to the custom xml to move thumbnails, etc. route? (I never could get that technique to work anyway).

mcsephoenix said:
Really the only reason having mine is rooted is beneficial is that it boots right into Kodi.
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How did you get it to boot directly into Kodi?
Thanks,
-Nigel

Where's the guide!!!???

Help
mcsephoenix said:
Really the only reason having mine is rooted is beneficial is that it boots right into Kodi.
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I’m not by any means a technology wiz but I just purchased this from amazon and heard from a friend he jailboke this and prompted me to look online on how to do this was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction ?

Aftvnews.com
But current software revisions aren't rootable.

Rooted 1st gen fire tvs inexplicably filling up with storage after 2 days of usage.

I recently updated all my old fire tv rooted 1st gens with the latest spmc version and ever since they have been filling up 100% with I don't even know what as kodi is showing it is only taking about a gig of space. I can't locate where or what these files are and why this is happening. The only thing that I know that I have changed is the latest version of spmc... could this be the problem or is there a way of finding out where all this space is and what these files are? I have tried going through every nook and cranny of es file explorer but found nothing and don't even know what i'd be looking for in the first place.

side load this
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.diskusage

krawhitham said:
side load this
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.diskusage
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Thanks.. I used it and it is telling me that kftv launcher is taking 2 gigs of space. I am sure this is the issue but why and how is this happenning?

Delete this file /data/data/com.amazon.tv.launcher/databases/mbcache.db
Mine was almost 4 GB when I deleted it. This was discussed more here and here.

notsed said:
Delete this file /data/data/com.amazon.tv.launcher/databases/mbcache.db
Mine was almost 4 GB when I deleted it. This was discussed more here and here.
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Is this only an issue on the fire tv first gen? None of my second gens do this.

danknasty said:
Is this only an issue on the fire tv first gen? None of my second gens do this.
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I believe so. Probably more to do with age of FW & the way the servers are setup once they added new features, then anything else.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=70400094&postcount=15
I go more into detail on that post. But bottom line is that this will affect FTV1's the older FW you have. Specially those of us with FTV1's on FireOS 3.