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Weird issue (and hard to search for); Either my 8525 either charges up very quickly (I wish) or I'm not getting an accurate reading.
I've noticed it changes between percentages very quickly, and I'm trying to figure out the problem. Over the past few weeks it's gotten worse.
Today I got a low power message (20%) while I was on a call, and about 3 minutes later my phone ended the call shut the radio off automatically. About 4 minutes after that, it powered off all together.
I then put it on my car charger, turned it on and about 5 minutes later checked the battery level, and it said 40%. This is on 3g, I'm on radio version 1.54.30.1, at this time I had my email (I use Seven) paused, so I had no active connections.
I'm going to flash a different radio version now, but does anyone have any ideas?
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Weird issue (and hard to search for); Either my 8525 either charges up very quickly (I wish) or I'm not getting an accurate reading.
I've noticed it changes between percentages very quickly, and I'm trying to figure out the problem. Over the past few weeks it's gotten worse.
Today I got a low power message (20%) while I was on a call, and about 3 minutes later my phone ended the call shut the radio off automatically. About 4 minutes after that, it powered off all together.
I then put it on my car charger, turned it on and about 5 minutes later checked the battery level, and it said 40%. This is on 3g, I'm on radio version 1.54.30.1, at this time I had my email (I use Seven) paused, so I had no active connections.
I'm going to flash a different radio version now, but does anyone have any ideas?
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Try installing a new battery meter. The attached is the colored one.
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Try installing a new battery meter. The attached is the colored one.
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Thanks.... I don't really see a difference (like color differences), but it might actually be working (or not). Its saying 100% but the status light is orange (like its charging). It was green a minute ago.
I'll give this a shot for a day and see how it works!
Thanks again for your help!
Edit: I wonder if I should worry about this. Since my last post, it's still been charging (orange light). Its either the phone still charging, or the light is not supposed to turn green. I know exploding batteries are extremely rare, but still a concern!
Mine does that sort of thing. It would sometimes go to 10% shut off, I could plug it back in and it would say it was 100% charge in less then 30 minutes, but as soon as you start using it drop down to 50% within a few minutes of being on a call or the net. I bought a new battery which helped for about a month and now I am back to similar issues you are having.
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Mine does that sort of thing. It would sometimes go to 10% shut off, I could plug it back in and it would say it was 100% charge in less then 30 minutes, but as soon as you start using it drop down to 50% within a few minutes of being on a call or the net. I bought a new battery which helped for about a month and now I am back to similar issues you are having.
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Its been better from what I can tell today, after flashing a new radio version (1.48.30.1) and that battery meter. Reception doesn't seem as good on 3g with it though, so I'll be going back to the other radio. I'll update later once my battery level has dropped down.
Quicker then I expected... streamed two videos short (< 5 minutes) video clips (what would I do without The Daily Show?), the battery showed 60% before that. While on the second one, it gave me the low battery notification (20%).
Threw it on a charger, and 25 minutes later I'm at 50%.
Got my One X on Friday (no sim card as the company I got it from had forgotten to send them out with the phone)
Have been playing around with it most of day yesterday, putting few apps on etc, haven' used it for games.
Last night when coming out of apps and going back to home screen was taking a while to display (kept saying "loading"), eventually home screen appeared. this happened a few times, I then tried to put a widget on screen and it just froze on loading and gave me a message to sat "Sense had stopped working" and then restarted. Thought I had best restart the phone so tried using the restart option and nothing, so went for switch off, which it did and now will not reboot.
Phone did feel a little hot on the back by the camera but did not think too much of it, when I try to turn on the phone I get the HTC screens then as soon as the homescreen comes up before you can unlock it the phone vibrates and shuts down.
Left the phone over night without charging it and is still the same this morning.
Have tried Factory reset, still no joy.
Led notification is flashing red/green constantly if you plug into charger.
Having read some about this on other HTC phones it seems my phone has overheated, but surely should have cooled down now after being off all night and not on charge (am in the UK so excessive hot weather is not the cause )
Finally received the sim card in post this morning so tried putting that in, still no joy, think I am going to put in in the garage as its really cold in there.
Any ideas before I send it back. I think its knackered.
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Got my One X on Friday (no sim card as the company I got it from had forgotten to send them out with the phone)
Have been playing around with it most of day yesterday, putting few apps on etc, haven' used it for games.
Last night when coming out of apps and going back to home screen was taking a while to display (kept saying "loading"), eventually home screen appeared. this happened a few times, I then tried to put a widget on screen and it just froze on loading and gave me a message to sat "Sense had stopped working" and then restarted. Thought I had best restart the phone so tried using the restart option and nothing, so went for switch off, which it did and now will not reboot.
Phone did feel a little hot on the back by the camera but did not think too much of it, when I try to turn on the phone I get the HTC screens then as soon as the homescreen comes up before you can unlock it the phone vibrates and shuts down.
Left the phone over night without charging it and is still the same this morning.
Have tried Factory reset, still no joy.
Led notification is flashing red/green constantly if you plug into charger.
Having read some about this on other HTC phones it seems my phone has overheated, but surely should have cooled down now after being off all night and not on charge (am in the UK so excessive hot weather is not the cause )
Finally received the sim card in post this morning so tried putting that in, still no joy, think I am going to put in in the garage as its really cold in there.
Any ideas before I send it back. I think its knackered.
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The blinking leds means your phone is overheating, you better not use the phone while charing (until the problem is fixed).
The reason why sense 4.0 might be crashing all the time is because of the widget, if you use a Calender Widget it keeps crashing until you remove it! Try to remove all your widgets and see if that solves the problem.
H-Cim
Thanks for you ideas but.........
Cannot use the phone on charge or otherwise, will not boot up past the HTC screen, widget will already be gone as have factory reset the phone, not sure how long it takes the Phone to cool down but has been off and in a cold room for over 12 hours now, so don't it will resolve itself. An option for other HTC phones is to take the battery out to reset the problem, but this is not an option on the One X, just wondered if anyone had any ideas.
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H-Cim
Thanks for you ideas but.........
Cannot use the phone on charge or otherwise, will not boot up past the HTC screen, widget will already be gone as have factory reset the phone, not sure how long it takes the Phone to cool down but has been off and in a cold room for over 12 hours now, so don't it will resolve itself. An option for other HTC phones is to take the battery out to reset the problem, but this is not an option on the One X, just wondered if anyone had any ideas.
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You didn't do any rooting I assume ?
The device is probably damaged in some way, I'd say take it to the seller and see what he says. I haven't read these issues before so they are not a known problem... Probably a hardware problem ?
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H-Cim
Thanks for you ideas but.........
Cannot use the phone on charge or otherwise, will not boot up past the HTC screen, widget will already be gone as have factory reset the phone, not sure how long it takes the Phone to cool down but has been off and in a cold room for over 12 hours now, so don't it will resolve itself. An option for other HTC phones is to take the battery out to reset the problem, but this is not an option on the One X, just wondered if anyone had any ideas.
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This is not normal. Phone should cool down completely in a matter of minutes, not hours. If it's overheating to such an extent that you can't use it, it is faulty.
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You didn't do any rooting I assume ?
The device is probably damaged in some way, I'd say take it to the seller and see what he says. I haven't read these issues before so they are not a known problem... Probably a hardware problem ?
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Nope haven't rooted.
I think that the phone is faulty so back it goes then. Tried ringing the company but they are not open on a Saturday so will have to wait to see if they are open on Monday now (but this is a Bank Holiday) but we will see.
Thanks for your thoughts
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This is not normal. Phone should cool down completely in a matter of minutes, not hours. If it's overheating to such an extent that you can't use it, it is faulty.
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My thoughts too, but you never know Tried ringing the company but they are not open on a Saturday so will have to wait to see if they are open on Monday now (but this is a Bank Holiday)
Just a quick update
Phone has now been off for 24 hrs, in a cold room, tried to switch on this morning still no luck cannot get past the HTC screens. Put it on charger and still showing led notification that phone is overheating. Boxed it back up, it is going back tomorrow and want a replacement
This is making me think do I want the One X with these overheating issues
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Got my One X on Friday (no sim card as the company I got it from had forgotten to send them out with the phone)
Have been playing around with it most of day yesterday, putting few apps on etc, haven' used it for games.
Last night when coming out of apps and going back to home screen was taking a while to display (kept saying "loading"), eventually home screen appeared. this happened a few times, I then tried to put a widget on screen and it just froze on loading and gave me a message to sat "Sense had stopped working" and then restarted. Thought I had best restart the phone so tried using the restart option and nothing, so went for switch off, which it did and now will not reboot.
Phone did feel a little hot on the back by the camera but did not think too much of it, when I try to turn on the phone I get the HTC screens then as soon as the homescreen comes up before you can unlock it the phone vibrates and shuts down.
Left the phone over night without charging it and is still the same this morning.
Have tried Factory reset, still no joy.
Led notification is flashing red/green constantly if you plug into charger.
Having read some about this on other HTC phones it seems my phone has overheated, but surely should have cooled down now after being off all night and not on charge (am in the UK so excessive hot weather is not the cause )
Finally received the sim card in post this morning so tried putting that in, still no joy, think I am going to put in in the garage as its really cold in there.
Any ideas before I send it back. I think its knackered.
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I have the same problem about the loading, gonna try to remove the calendar widget; however Sense never crashed.
The heating your phone is experiencing is probably because it's faulty.
Sometimes mine becomes hot too, but in a bunch of minutes cools down.
lordjone, have you seen this thread? I was having the same problem and this fixed it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1597880&highlight=loading
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lordjone, have you seen this thread? I was having the same problem and this fixed it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1597880&highlight=loading
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Well, I never had so many loading screens and with ARHD rom this problem is completely gone because the sense is entirely loaded in memory. Anyway disabling the background activities breaks the multitasking which i consider bad because i found usefull the ability to switch between apps.
Thanks for your answer
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
Hey Pacswoman - what was the outcome??
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Hey Pacswoman - what was the outcome??
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Got my replacement, had it a week now with no issues at all. Deffo something wrong with the last one, this one seems quicker and doesn't get so hot on the back where the camera is. So far so good. No screen flex problems......very happy bunny. Love it
Giving new phone is only a placebo effect. Because all HTC one x's overheat with high usage.
As soon as the CPU starts bursting more then 50% on only a 1000 MHz (max is 1500) then the phone starts heating up to over 53 degrees. At the point of 48 degrees reached in minutes the LED starts flaching red and green rappidly. when boosting up performance the battery will eventually reach 63 degrees celcius making it almost to hot to hold on to. Most apps crash when the 53 degrees is reached.
I havent tested a 100% CPU load on 1500 MHz but im guessing eventually the battery will burn, damage the unit beyond repair.
I have tested this on 3 different one X's from 3 different places, they all have this problem.
When you play tegra zone games like dungeon defenders it will take about 15 minutes to reach 48 degrees starting to make the led flash, warn for overheat. this game uses 50% of the CPU on aprox 1000 MHz.
I really dont wanna know what happens when you play a game wich uses 100% of the CPU on 1500 MHz...
This happens with and without charging. Wich makes me wonder.. Why they put in a CPU that uses so much power it burns down the battery and overheating it even on 50% CPU usage. This way there is absolutely no way the full power of the one x can ever be used without active cooling it. If you can use only 1000 MHz on 50% max what use is it to put in such a powerfull CPU, and games that will damage the phone.
For the record... Li-ion shouldnt be exposed to temps of 63 degrees for a long time. they will age in days, if not leak, explode or burn.
unbelievable that HTC made such a crappy device!
Not to mention that the battery dies in minutes when CPU uses full power.
to see your temp battery, cpu usage, cpu frequency and much more, download Cooltool in the playstore. its free. it can be custimized big time and root is not required
When a Li-ion battery is exposed to 40 degrees or higher the capacity will be reduced to about 35% a year. The one x becomes 50 degrees easily making the capacity drop even bigger. When using the phone allot above the 50 degrees will make you end up charging the one x multiple times a day after one year
So, I am having a huge problem with battery/charging.
To begin with, this happened around three weeks ago, I was travelling back from Atlanta, and the phone was acting really weird, screen flickering pretty badly. Then I plugged it in, it shut off/died after a couple minutes. This was also coupled by the fact that the entire phone, screen, battery, camera area, was burning hot.
So about a week ago, I installed the newest JB upgrade GB27 (I think that was it). Didn't have any HUGE issues for a little while. Come the end of last week, phone was experiencing the same problems. Phone is incredibly hot, etc. Now when I go to use it, say for instance, listening to music that I have stored on the phone, it heats up when just plugged into headphones, and/or shuts off (I assume due to heat). If I am at home, and come back and plug it on a charger, it will sometime shut off and show a yellow triangle with a temperature probe on it.
The same thing happened tonight. The phone was at a 10% charge, after dinner plugged it into one of my car chargers, instead of charging it drained the battery to 0, so it shut off after a couple minutes.
You might think it is just the battery, but, I got the battery replaced on Friday, and it has been happening since then.
What else could be the cause of the issue? I am going to try to take it in tomorrow, but, I don't know why else the issue is happening. This occurs after full data wipes and an upgrade, and occurs through multiple batteries. :/
hi there, when my tablet batterycreaches 40% downwards, it will restart many times.. IDK why.. pls help me
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hi there, when my tablet batterycreaches 40% downwards, it will restart many times.. IDK why.. pls help me
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I'd like to second this issue. I have had CM12 on it. Went back to CM11 due to the LP issues. My tablet ran fine forever. (I've owned it since December). I first had the problem when I had The Hobbit 2 Paused (screen off). I had over 40% when I last noticed it. I had it paused because I was at an Open Beta testing party for a friends game/app (puzzle game). He asked everyone for their android devices and he took my Tab and set it on the table and sideloaded the .apk to everyones device. He started passing peoples devices back to them and asked me why my tablet was in a bootloop. I hadn't had ANY problems like this AT ALL! I've even ran my battery down to 5% before. The tablet continued to not boot after I plugged the tablet in. It claimed I was at 5% after being plugged into a 1amp charger for 35mins (he sideloaded his APK to my HTC One M8) and I played his game for 35-45 mins. Checked the battery and it was still at 5%. I unplugged it when I left to go home and I had to plug it in for a while in a 2amp charger before it would stop bootlooping.
I have since flashed CM12, back to CM11, SlimKat roms. I have done a factory reset, cleared my internal memory, I haven't tried changing the microSDHC card. I will try that at some point. I may want to point out that I DID format my 64GB card as EXT4 (but android wouldn't recognize it) then I reflashed it with exFAT (then reformatted it using Android before replacing the files). This WAS within 24 hours of when I started having issues.
Did you do anything similar with your Memory Card?
Does anyone else have this problem, and/or solution?
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Well I own this tab since july. Last december, aftee christmas party I recieve a mini speaker with 3.5mm jack.. When I got home I excitedly use the speaker and put the 3.5mm jack into my tab. After using it (I think 15 mins) it started bootlooping until my battery percent reaches 10%. But before I used the speaker, my battery life is 50%. Then until this march its still bootlooping. It only stops when I charge it.
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Well I own this tab since july. Last december, aftee christmas party I recieve a mini speaker with 3.5mm jack.. When I got home I excitedly use the speaker and put the 3.5mm jack into my tab. After using it (I think 15 mins) it started bootlooping until my battery percent reaches 10%. But before I used the speaker, my battery life is 50%. Then until this march its still bootlooping. It only stops when I charge it.
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Well I own this tab since july. Last december, aftee christmas party I recieve a mini speaker with 3.5mm jack.. When I got home I excitedly use the speaker and put the 3.5mm jack into my tab. After using it (I think 15 mins) it started bootlooping until my battery percent reaches 10%. But before I used the speaker, my battery life is 50%. Then until this march its still bootlooping. It only stops when I charge it.
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No reply....usually there are plenty of people who want to help.
Reasonable Scenarios.
1. This issue has already been answered (and they don't want to link us, even though I scrolled through 5 pages of topics and only found this one)
2. No one knows
3. They feel sorry for us because we have defects.
Replace Battery !
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Replace Battery !
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Basically Warranty Replacement. I've thought of flashing a stock rom and see if it reboots with that
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Just for the record, I did something that seems to have fixed my issue.
I discharged my battery "Completely" (till it shut down). Then I powered it back on it was at 40%. I discharged it to power off. Turned it back on and it was at 30%. Discharged, powered on 14%. Discharged powered on at 7%. then again and it was 4%. Turned it back on after discharge and it would power right back off without booting completely. I did this 3 times to be sure. Then I plugged it into a 2amp and left it plugged in for about 5-6 hours then turned it on (100%). I have since used it to 14% without it rebooting randomly. I will keep this updated if I have anymore random reboots.
I don't know what happened, but my true friend is probably deadly ill and she's dying.
My Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 after almost 3.5 years of really hard work, 8h daily of SOT, hard CPU tasks, loading battery two times a day, started to do strange random reboots.
I was installing Blue Filter app, reading big pdf and sending this PDF from Xodo to Voice Aloud reader. Tablet was connected to charger from Moto X Style, which is turbo power charger. I saw first reboot, then other and next. Entered Cwn Twrp, cleaned cache but the problem still existed. Cleaned system, internal storage and tried to flash Iron ROM again. Strange, but tablet couldn't flash Iron ROM 3.2 gauge showed 100%, almost after beginning of installing ROM. I decided to flash 4 elements repair ROM with Odin, but it didn't help. Checked erase NAND, flashed correct pit file.
Strange, but while flashing with Odin, there were no reboots, so downloading mode is working properly. But after install, reboots returned, almost after running system first time.
Maybe it depends on ROM version? I flashed 4 files of 4.4.2 with Odin, while I was on 6.0.1 earlier?
But reboots started on proper ROM.
Also, maybe charger is responsible? Moto X Style 3A charger maybe damaged memory or motherboard of my friend?
Do you think that exchanging the battery may help? My battery when it was loading frequently showed a red cross, it can be that it's damaged, but random reboots never happened to me.
I don't want to buy new device, it's really stupid for me to spend hundreds of dollars every two, there years. I believe that a device should work 5 years or longer. Maybe corporations make devices especially to die after warranty period?
Can you help me to determine what is damaged?
It was my true friend, carrying tons of books with a thin device, reading big pdfs smoothly, making notes tons of paintings, editing photos and taking photos with my Nikon D610 via USB, listening to music with A.r.i.s.e , watching photography tutorials and movies, modern Combat 4 tons of hours, notes, showing portfolio to my clients... Yes I love my small friend, can you help me to rescue it?
You can see the behaviour here
Are the reboots happening even while plugged in or only after unplugging the charging cable?
Also is the percentage reading being sporadic meaning it changes every time it shuts off?
Replacing the battery is fairly cheap and easy on this model.
Here is a guide:
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Samsung+Galaxy+Tab+S+8.4+Battery+Replacement/51359
Where to buy a replacement battery:
https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Parts/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-S-8-4-Battery/IF252-014-1
If for some reason it still has the same issue after replacing battery then the battery connector needs to be looked at under microscope. It may have a loose connection to the board meaning it would need to be resoldered.
Dear Benjamen, thanks for your help. Tab reboots even if it's plugged to charger. The percentage is strange, one time it shows 40%, another time beeps and shows low power warning.
Sometimes it works 5 minutes without reboot, some times boots many times continuously.
Do you think it's battery? No EMMC error or some chip damaged on motherboard?
Download mode Odin worked good, also CWRP worked without reboots.
Maybe internal storage is damaged?
What do you think?
If it is battery I can surely exchange it like you wrote.
You can see the behaviour of tablet on YouTube I've posted above.
Have you tried to reinstall Twrp and a custom rom besides Iron Rom and doing a clean flash? Also I was thinking it might be a corrupted sd card try to remove the sd card and reboot see if that works I had a tablet once that was going bonkers cause the sd card was messed up , it might not be it but could always try it. Also make sure your on the proper boot loader for the rom you are trying to flash iron rom thread actually has a link to all the current boot loaders if i remember correctly. I do own this device and run a custom nougat rom no issues, just shooting out some ideas but you are right this is great device and should last a long time.
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Dear Benjamen, thanks for your help. Tab reboots even if it's plugged to charger. The percentage is strange, one time it shows 40%, another time beeps and shows low power warning.
Sometimes it works 5 minutes without reboot, some times boots many times continuously.
Do you think it's battery? No EMMC error or some chip damaged on motherboard?
Download mode Odin worked good, also CWRP worked without reboots.
Maybe internal storage is damaged?
What do you think?
If it is battery I can surely exchange it like you wrote.
You can see the behaviour of tablet on YouTube I've posted above.
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Sounds like battery connector has loose soldering. Take it to a reputable repair shop that does soldering and tell them to check the battery connector and see if it needs resoldering. That's how I ended up fixing it with the same symptoms that you had.
Edit: Forgot to tell you but I cant play the YouTube video, maybe the embedded video link is invalid so can you send me the youtube link?
Mine has been doing the exact same thing for a couple of days now.
I'm running LineageOS 14.1.
Random reboots both with the charger connected and disconnected, Battery percentage is around 45% most of the time, but jumps to 0% or 100%.
I've already replaced the battery with a "new" one (about 12 months old, according to the label), but to no avail.
Any ideas? I really like this device and would not want to buy a replacement...
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My SM-T800 started doing something strange like this yesterday. As I was watching Youtube and reading a news site in split screen mode, the screen suddenly went blank (it didn't shut down, but went blank at once). Before this happened, I saw a warning that my battery charge was below 15%. After powering on the tablet, my charge was 28%. I opened youtube and a web browser again, and the screen went blank within a minute. After powering on, I decided that I will not be using split screen mode again, but the screen eventually went blank. I monitored the CPU temperature and it didn't seem like it was running too warm (50ish C). I will try re-calibrating the battery (if that's even possible) and even replacing one, but if that doesn't help I guess it's time to move on to something new. Sadly, four years after the T800, nobody made a worthy replacement (the leaked Tab S4 specs look good, but they want to charge laptop prices for that).
PS: It's running the stock rooted (later unrooted) MM 6.0.1 from November 2016 with TWRP.
I re-calibrated battery and the tablet seems to be working fine so far.
https://www.androidpit.com/how-to-calibrate-the-battery-on-your-android-device
Okay first of all very big thank you for your replies
my Galaxy Tab S 1 except strange reboots is also overheating when it has some tasks to do measured temperature on CPU cores is getting around 80 degrees Celsius and is going up and then tablet gets restart so I don't know if it is only the problem with battery maybe it's connected with CPU problems or other electrical problems on MotherBoard.
It's worth to mention, that I've charged the tab with charger from Moto X Style, that is Turbo Charger, with 3A, and the Tab S1 can load with 2A only.
https://youtu.be/APgivhY31ws
Here's the link to movie with Tab behaviour again, can you see it now?
Astania said:
Okay first of all very big thank you for your replies
my Galaxy Tab S 1 except strange reboots is also overheating when it has some tasks to do measured temperature on CPU cores is getting around 80 degrees Celsius and is going up and then tablet gets restart so I don't know if it is only the problem with battery maybe it's connected with CPU problems or other electrical problems on MotherBoard.
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My tablet used to have a damaged main-board that used to overheat. However, the screen did not go blank when that happened. I actually got some kind of message that said that the tablet is overheating. This was fixed after I replaced the mainboard. You can certainly try it, but these things were not cheap when I did it.
Mine also started doing this last month now it wont power on but resets till the battery is dead.
Did you get it fixed?
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My tablet used to have a damaged main-board that used to overheat. However, the screen did not go blank when that happened. I actually got some kind of message that said that the tablet is overheating. This was fixed after I replaced the mainboard. You can certainly try it, but these things were not cheap when I did it.
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I'm seeing random shutdowns with no warning popup on heat but the screen area where the motherboard is sure gets hot. I replaced the battery and same result. I looked at the battery connector and looks OK, seems tight but I didn't check with a magnifying glass. Where did you source your motherboard?
Also how has everyone elese resolved this? I see people citing the problem on this old thread but I'm curioius if you found a resolution.