Hello everyone!
I now have a I-Mate JasJar and I love it!
However, it is a 64 mb unit and I am considering the upgrade!
So I wanted to ask everyone that has already done the upgrade if they think it was worth it?
Also I would like to know where you can see the improvment the most?
I like Nav n go Igo 8 navi program and my device clearly
does not have enough memory to run it properly, will it help to do the upgrade or is it so that the graphic card is not quiet up for the challenge to be able to show 3d terrain and everything else in Igo8?
So basicly I want some coments from you guys, what works after the upgrade and what does not work?
For me I am considering either to do the upgrade or to buy the Touch pro when it cames out, but the thing is that I like this device to much to sell it!
So is there any hope for it? Is it going to be as good as the rest of the devices that has more memory (like tytn II), or is it just not worth it?
Oh and buy the way, I do own a tytn II so I know all about the missing drivers and stuff, the fact that it has a gps is great but somehow I dont mind that my universal does not have gps becouse I have an external gps anyway and it is much better then the built in gps in tytn II!
not get mine upgraded yet but I won't even though the xda exec might be stronger and faster / more stable? I have no idea but I never want mine to be disassembled or replaced sth. I want it to be still original and untouched inside, I love software and OS modding but no hardware modding seem to be interesting to me.
Well, I have send my Qtek9000 yesterday to the shop in Germany to get it upgraded...
Why, becose I am running IGO8 and have not enough Ram to run it properly.
I hope it solves the problems I have running IGO8 like the 3D map wich somethimes dissapears after a while...
I let you know my experience after the upgrade...!
Actually, if you install many softwares then ROM is more important because even though you can install the softwares to the memory card but many programs would install either in part on in full to the ROM
You'll reach a stage whereby you cannot install programs even to the memory card because you'll face 'Storage Memory Low' error
I wonder whether it's possible to upgrade the ROM too say to 512MB?
FOSA said:
Actually, if you install many softwares then ROM is more important because even though you can install the softwares to the memory card but many programs would install either in part on in full to the ROM
You'll reach a stage whereby you cannot install programs even to the memory card because you'll face 'Storage Memory Low' error
I wonder whether it's possible to upgrade the ROM too say to 512MB?
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Don't know if you are familiair with the memory of computers, but...
See the SD-card as the harddisk. That's clear.
See the ROM as memory that you cannot use for your own (exceptions are Flash and extended memory, but those are 'hard disks' too)
So, all 'hard disks' are used to store stuff onto. This can be programs, images, databases, whatever.
See the RAM as usable program memory (the RAM of your computer - might be 1Gb or 2Gb or 4Gb)
The 128MB is RAM, so only to be used as program memory, memory used while running programs.
Each program that is installed costs NO RAM, except when you (or the OS) run it. Drivers only consume program memory when they are loaded.
So, installing eg. a large game won't change anything to your RAM.
Most programs can be installed to SD. Only a few cannot. However, often can be tweaked (eg. Opera, Wisbar) to run from SD without any problem.
I would very much like to have 128MB too... I was under the impression that the store in Germany would not do this anymore (it is not on their web site)
So, CFDS, when you get the Universal back, please inform us of its state!
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I think you're mistaken
I'm referring to the storage memory vs the program memory.
The Uni has 128 MB Flash ROM and 64 MB SDRAM. Similarly, the SAMSUNG SGH i900 has 256 MB Flash ROM and 128 MB SDRAM
Here's the spec for the Uni (QTEK 9000)
http://www.qtek.nu/europe/products/9000/specifications.aspx
Are they really doing the upgrade?
cfds said:
Well, I have send my Qtek9000 yesterday to the shop in Germany to get it upgraded...
Why, becose I am running IGO8 and have not enough Ram to run it properly.
I hope it solves the problems I have running IGO8 like the 3D map wich somethimes dissapears after a while...
I let you know my experience after the upgrade...!
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Thanks for your reply, yes Igo8 is why I am considering the upgrade myself!
Please let me know when you get your device back, I would really like to know how it works with Igo8!
Also I would like to know to what shop in Germany you sent your device?
The only shop I know of is this: http://www.srsgmbh.de/en/index1.html and I dont see that they can do the upgrade anywhere on their site!
I wrote them an email asking them if they can do it and what the cost will be, but so far I have not recieved any answer!
Is this the shop you are reffering to or do you know of any other in Germany that will do the upgrade?
Also do you know what the price should be and how long it should take?
Thanks in advance!
Please confirm this?
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I think you're mistaken
I'm referring to the storage memory vs the program memory.
The Uni has 128 MB Flash ROM and 64 MB SDRAM. Similarly, the SAMSUNG SGH i900 has 256 MB Flash ROM and 128 MB SDRAM
Here's the spec for the Uni (QTEK 9000)
http://www.qtek.nu/europe/products/9000/specifications.aspx
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Ok, so you mean that if one does the RAM upgrade one will not get more PROGRAM MEMORY?
Please confirm this, it would really be shame to spend money on the upgrade only to not recieve any additional "program memory" which I think is equaly important!
I tought that by doing the upgrade it will be equalent to a Tytn II device both in "RAM" and in "program memory"! So please confirm this!
Thanks in advance!
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"Ok, so you mean that if one does the RAM upgrade one will not get more PROGRAM MEMORY?"
As I mentioned the Uni has 128 MB Flash ROM and 64 MB SDRAM. If you do a RAM upgrade you'll get 128MB SDRAM and that means you'll have MORE program memory but your storage memory remains the same at 128 MB Flash ROM
For comparison, I've taken a look at the SAMSUNG SGH i900 running WM 6.1 at its default installation and found that the FREE storage memory is about 30+ to 50+ MB. If you're the type who wants to install many programs then I think this amount is inadequate. The SONY EXPERIA X1 might be a good alternative giving 512 MB ROM and 256 MB RAM.
FI, my QTEK 9000's FREE storage memory is about 3 MB so can't do software installation even to the SD card because I'm facing the 'Storage Memory Low' error during installation of programs
Program memory is important for program running. Generally, if you do have 20 -30 MB of FREE program memory it's adequate to run most programs smoothly. However, certain programs may require more to ensure stability and smooth running.
Yes, this is the shop I send my Qtek to in Germany: http://www.srsgmbh.de/en/index1.html
He confirmed a couple of weeks ago that he's able to do the Ram upgrade on the Qtek9000. He charges 119€ for the upgrade and it would take a week excluding shipping...
Can hardly wait to get it back...!
How did you send it?
cfds said:
Yes, this is the shop I send my Qtek to in Germany: http://www.srsgmbh.de/en/index1.html
He confirmed a couple of weeks ago that he's able to do the Ram upgrade on the Qtek9000. He charges 119€ for the upgrade and it would take a week excluding shipping...
Can hardly wait to get it back...!
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Did you just fill in the form and sent it? I dont see anywhere to fill in country!
Is this how you sent it or did you do any other way?
Thanks
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"Ok, so you mean that if one does the RAM upgrade one will not get more PROGRAM MEMORY?"
As I mentioned the Uni has 128 MB Flash ROM and 64 MB SDRAM. If you do a RAM upgrade you'll get 128MB SDRAM and that means you'll have MORE program memory but your storage memory remains the same at 128 MB Flash ROM
For comparison, I've taken a look at the SAMSUNG SGH i900 running WM 6.1 at its default installation and found that the FREE storage memory is about 30+ to 50+ MB. If you're the type who wants to install many programs then I think this amount is inadequate. The SONY EXPERIA X1 might be a good alternative giving 512 MB ROM and 256 MB RAM.
FI, my QTEK 9000's FREE storage memory is about 3 MB so can't do software installation even to the SD card because I'm facing the 'Storage Memory Low' error during installation of programs
Program memory is important for program running. Generally, if you do have 20 -30 MB of FREE program memory it's adequate to run most programs smoothly. However, certain programs may require more to ensure stability and smooth running.
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Ok I understand now, but is there a way of upgrading the storage memory as well or is it just possible to upgrade RAM?
Also does anyone know if 128 MB Ram is the limit or is it possible to upgrade even more, perhaps 256 MB?
Thanks
Info on the 128Mb Upgrade
I have do the 128Mb upgrade to my Uni. Was it worth it, well that depends, I think it was for me. You will not notice any big change in app loading speeds, but if you are running heavy weight app's like sat nav were you see lock ups or 'low resource' warnings them yes it is wroth it. It wont get you any more stroage space but it does give you more program running space.
Currently 128Mb is the max M-RAM that can be fitted to the Uni, I beleive due to ROM image limitations. The chips are also obsolite and can be hard to get hold of have a look at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128_Shop for places that sell and upgrade. To do it yourself will require specialist equipment, so unless you know what is involved get it done for you.
Dave
D.Apsley said:
I have do the 128Mb upgrade to my Uni. Was it worth it, well that depends, I think it was for me. You will not notice any big change in app loading speeds, but if you are running heavy weight app's like sat nav were you see lock ups or 'low resource' warnings them yes it is wroth it. It wont get you any more stroage space but it does give you more program running space.
Currently 128Mb is the max M-RAM that can be fitted to the Uni, I beleive due to ROM image limitations. The chips are also obsolite and can be hard to get hold of have a look at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128_Shop for places that sell and upgrade. To do it yourself will require specialist equipment, so unless you know what is involved get it done for you.
Dave
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Ok thanks for then info!
Have you or do you plan on testing your upgraded uni with Igo8 to see if it works properly? That is why I am considering the upgrade in the first place so it is very important for me to know if it works or not!
Thanks in advance!
I enclosed a letter in the shipment(registered mail) which explained my request, contained all details from my PDA and personal details. I also send him an e-mail with the same request...
Lets hope that all goes well!!!
Ciao!
D.Apsley said:
Currently 128Mb is the max M-RAM that can be fitted to the Uni, I beleive due to ROM image limitations. The chips are also obsolite and can be hard to get hold of have a look at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128_Shop for places that sell and upgrade. To do it yourself will require specialist equipment, so unless you know what is involved get it done for you.
Dave
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Not so sure, Universal also works with 256 mb BGA RAM chips from Notebook memory
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Not so sure, Universal also works with 256 mb BGA RAM chips from Notebook memory
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Really? How can I get it upgraded to 256 mb?
Just think about it, 256 mb on universal, how cool is that?
If you are going to run Igo8 on your Uni then the answer to the question is YES, get the upgrade done.
Received my Qtek back today from its Ram upgrade...
86,5mb free of prog mem after reset...
Tried iGO8 on it...it used up to 65mb of prog memory but it ran very smooth...had all selected-3D building/terrain etc...
So far after 2X 30 min of usage/navigating I did not lost my 3D map...will see how it behaves when I use it for an 2.5hrs/250km trip...
That is GREAT news!
cfds said:
Received my Qtek back today from its Ram upgrade...
86,5mb free of prog mem after reset...
Tried iGO8 on it...it used up to 65mb of prog memory but it ran very smooth...had all selected-3D building/terrain etc...
So far after 2X 30 min of usage/navigating I did not lost my 3D map...will see how it behaves when I use it for an 2.5hrs/250km trip...
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This is great news, please tell me how much did the upgrade cost you?
Oh and I would also like to know exactly how you sent it for the upgrade, becouse I have so far not recieved any answer from them!
Thanks in advance!
Hi guys I want to purchase Neo and the only thing stopping me is the low internal memory, Since Arc and Neo are built on the same platform, can you people guide if ther is a way on neo to install all apps on sd card keeping the internal memory free for the apps that cant be moved to SD like google maps (as far I know). I also believe that the mails & gtalk chats are stored on the phone so keeping the phone memory is imp specially when we have so less internal memory. Plz help me buy this the other option is galaxy s II but its too big to be kept comfortably in pocket.
This actually seems to be a problem in new Xperia's why nobody is replying.
Or maybe no one's replying because its been 5 hours
The internal memory on the Arc is low as it is... its prone to lags every once in a while when the memory gets so low that the phone has to do some cleanups. I'd say go for the GS2, isn't it roughly the same size as the Arc?
sgs2 look like a beast
arc look like a sexy lady....hahaha
i believe with the overclock kernel, things will work quite nicely, like lg2x, altho 512 its kinda snappy with duo core
need others to confirm....
I am interested for neo since there is no forum for it I had to post it in ARC's thread, I believe there are almost equal as per hardware internal and S/W. Neo is quite smaller than S II.
I find that after removing a lot of the SE stuff, it frees up a lot of the internal memory. I put all of my apps on the internal memory and games on the sd, and it's working out pretty well for me.
Though if you have A LOT of apps/games, then you can look at "App 2 SD" which is on the Android Market. It lets you move almost all of your apps onto your SD card. So while having low internal memory sucks, its not that big of an issue IMO.
mobfest said:
....for the apps that cant be moved to SD like google maps (as far I know)....
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I've moved google maps to sd card without a problem (with titanium backup) and i've uninstalled alot of SE bloatware.
Off course, the internal memory of Arc is no comparison to the SGS2, but i honestly don't experience any lag, but then again, i'm not a heavy app user (got bout 20/25 of them).
A friend of mine got the SGS2 and it's indeed slightly bigger then the Arc, and putting them next to eachother confirms the beauty and the beast story ;-).
edit... only just saw your interested in Neo, that's a different comparison regarding looks, i haven't seen a Neo in reel life yet
Hi,
I wanna buy this cellphone but I'm a little worried because reviews say that out of the 16 GB of space, only a little more than 9 are available for the user, which seems a little low to install apps and a few games. How's your experience with this phone's storage?
Cheers!
actualy its more like about 5,5 to me
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actualy its more like about 5,5 to me
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Really?? That's bad...
Yeah, 16 GB is terrible in 2017 to be honest. If there isn't a 32 GB model then I'd consider jumping to the A5 2017 because I know for sure that has a 32 GB model, it's 5.2 inches instead of the A3's 4.7 inches which is a normal sized phone these days and is easy to handle, it's not that much more expensive than the A3, and it has much better specs including 3 GB of RAM instead of the 2 GB the A3 has. Trust me, 2 GB of RAM and 16 GB of internal storage just isn't good enough for apps in 2017 and it'll start to lag in a few months (even my A5 stutters sometimes).
But if you still end up with an A3, you should know that it does come with a microSD card slot for expandable storage so you can move some of your apps to your SD card (games are usually movable), and if you ever plan to root your phone one day, you can move all your apps to your SD card.
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Yeah, 16 GB is terrible in 2017 to be honest. If there isn't a 32 GB model then I'd consider jumping to the A5 2017 because I know for sure that has a 32 GB model, it's 5.2 inches instead of the A3's 4.7 inches which is a normal sized phone these days and is easy to handle, it's not that much more expensive than the A3, and it has much better specs including 3 GB of RAM instead of the 2 GB the A3 has. Trust me, 2 GB of RAM and 16 GB of internal storage just isn't good enough for apps in 2017 and it'll start to lag in a few months (even my A5 stutters sometimes).
But if you still end up with an A3, you should know that it does come with a microSD card slot for expandable storage so you can move some of your apps to your SD card (games are usually movable), and if you ever plan to root your phone one day, you can move all your apps to your SD card.
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It's actually the size of the phone (along with the price) that makes me wanna go for it (I love mini phones), but it's great to know that I can move apps to the SD card.
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Really?? That's bad...
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yep couldnt stay like this without root
RangoX said:
It's actually the size of the phone (along with the price) that makes me wanna go for it (I love mini phones), but it's great to know that I can move apps to the SD card.
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I think you should be taking specs into consideration more because the A3 is seriously weak in all departments (not just storage, but camera, performance, etc.). I'd recommend going for the iPhone SE if you really want a smaller phone or the Pixel at 5 inches maybe for a phone that's fantastic in all departments at a size that isn't that much bigger than the A3 (just 0.3 inches larger which you really won't notice after using the phone for a few minutes).
I'm just saying, the A3 won't last you a year and a half without becoming a slow nightmare. If you have the money you should definitely go for the iPhone SE or a Pixel which will last you two or three years before it starts becoming a hassle to deal with as those are actually quality compact phones while the A3 is more of a smaller, lower quality version of an already budget phone (the A5 2017).
Have had A3 2017 for 6 months and have to agree with above - don't bother! Was tempted by small size and price and battery life. But storage is always full despite only a handful of apps on it and photos, apps, videos being all on SD card. Useless.
the phone hardware is awesome for its price tag and it is a small phone that fits into our pockets.
i just got a new a3 2017 phone, which comes with lots of bloatware and there is no way to uninstall (not disable) them easily.
the development community has yet embraced this phone meaning, there is no official lineageos release for this phone and the same goes for twrp ([here is unofficial one][1]) and even the famous odin tool for flashing, supports only windows (guess i will have to use [heimdall][2]).
after playing with the phone for a day, i can tell that i really miss the following features:
- dark theme (with lineageos we could easily replace the builtin theme)
- vibration feedback (do not want to get a special keyboard application like swype to do the trick, as i want it system wide)
- haptic feedback for capacitive buttons (do not want to get a special application like [vibeonkey][3] to do the trick, as i want it system wide)
now that lineageos reached 15.1 maybe some of the guru developers here could provide us with an unofficial (not buggy) release of lineage 15.1.
i do not mind to get lineage 14.1 working, as it is better than the nougat version that was released by samsung.
ps, regarding the storage and in case you missed it, just use an sdcard or whatever this phone supports.
Code:
[1]: https://forum.xda-developers.com/samsung-a-series-2017/development/recovery-a3-2017-t3758969#post75786071
[2]: https://glassechidna.com.au/heimdall/
[3]: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-vibeonkey-add-vibration-to-hardware-t3611532
i went on all android distribution and non has a working rom for the a3 2017...
there is no adoption to this phone, although it has a great hardware which fits into my jeans pockets.
if anyonw has another working rom for this device, please state so
oopsy, how can i delete it?
RangoX said:
Hi,
I wanna buy this cellphone but I'm a little worried because reviews say that out of the 16 GB of space, only a little more than 9 are available for the user, which seems a little low to install apps and a few games. How's your experience with this phone's storage?
Cheers!
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even after rooting the phone, i couldn't delete (not disable or hide) to reclaim space and i tried many free apps that suppose to do that.
are you familiar with any application that truly delete the system application?
this is how i finally deleted the bloatware:
1. root the device i used this twrp.
2. use titanium backup but before that do this
update, checkout this thread