https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...ingerprint-reader-warning-upgrade-galaxy-s11/
Well, as a matter of fact, no
Well as a matter of fact I am, they removed face recognition because it's not secure, they switched to ultrasonic fingerprint sensor because it's more secure then optical then a $2.70 silicone case destroyed years or research and development, mah.
SpideRMaN-17 said:
Well as a matter of fact I am, they removed face recognition because it's not secure, they switched to ultrasonic fingerprint sensor because it's more secure then optical then a $2.70 silicone case destroyed years or research and development, mah.
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1. Don't let your phone out of your sight.
2. You don't have to use fingerprint security. You can disable it and use a complex password.
Not perfect solutions. Well, number 1 is, but number 2 is a work around.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
1. Don't let your phone out of your sight.
2. You don't have to use fingerprint security. You can disable it and use a complex password.
Not perfect solutions. Well, number 1 is, but number 2 is a work around.
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Don't get me wrong, I love my note 10+ but I hate such security flaws (we payed good money for the device)
I have a note 4 (my previous phone) which is still going strong with 6hrs screen on time) but a simple 400k file installed through twrp will disable all security what ever what, and just swipe the screen to unlock it
I'm gonna run some tests on it. I don't use silicone case or screen protection on my Note 10+(just the S-cover), but I'll try to put some stuff over the sensor to see if anything can confuse the readout when I'd use other, not the registered finger print. Things like thick/thin silicone, thin latex, soft polyethylene foil etc...
SpideRMaN-17 said:
Don't get me wrong, I love my note 10+ but I hate such security flaws (we payed good money for the device)
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Unfortunately, we live in a world where reverse engineering, hacking and security breaching is more profitable than security development. Absolutely no piece of technology that you own is/will ever be 100% secure. Nothing is unhackable. Samsung will figure out how the case exploits the fingerprint scanner and will fix it but eventually someone will find some other exploit. It is what it is.
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I'm gonna run some tests on it. I don't use silicone case or screen protection on my Note 10+(just the S-cover), but I'll try to put some stuff over the sensor to see if anything can confuse the readout when I'd use other, not the registered finger print. Things like thick/thin silicone, thin latex, soft polyethylene foil etc...
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someone already tried it, and samsung already acknowledged it
Well ain't that some ****
If you are concerned with security you should be using a password. All of these alternatives are for convenience and convenience always compromises security.
That being said, it's ridiculous that the FP reader can be foiled so easily.
cpufrost said:
If you are concerned with security you should be using a password. All of these alternatives are for convenience and convenience always compromises security.
That being said, it's ridiculous that the FP reader can be foiled so easily.
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Yes especially for a $1100+ phone that was claimed to have the highest security ever found on an Android device when it was announced early August.
Worried about security, SO important info, privacy concerns, sensitive/potentially embarrasing content, profitable secrets, you can keep ALL very safe if not absolutely safe using a complex password, or, you can find a very expensive encrypted device, the y DO exist, for REALLY valauble stuff not to be comprimised, all every day devices are subject to hacking, so, just do not get your device out of view, just be careful and dont loose it
SpideRMaN-17 said:
Don't get me wrong, I love my note 10+ but I hate such security flaws (we payed good money for the device)
I have a note 4 (my previous phone) which is still going strong with 6hrs screen on time) but a simple 400k file installed through twrp will disable all security what ever what, and just swipe the screen to unlock it
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If you're that concerned about security flaws then you would not have a custom recovery flashed on your Note 4 or have the bootloader unlocked.
I've got a spigen screen protector, my wife couldn't get in. I have not seen any article where they said it was tested on the Note 10/10+. My understanding was that the notes fp sensor was improved. The performance has as least over the s10.
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If you're that concerned about security flaws then you would not have a custom recovery flashed on your Note 4 or have the bootloader unlocked.
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I dont have TWRP or an unlocked bootloader on my note 4 (but I followed it's development on XDA)
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If you are concerned with security you should be using a password.
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No, it's not a binary choice between being either concerned or not concerned about security. There are tradeoffs. Suppose I discover a flaw in my home's door lock that makes the lock open whenever someone knocks on the door. You could reply, "If you are concerned with home security, you should be hiring an armed guard to stand at the door". That may indeed be more effective than even the best available lock. But it's not the right solution for most people, and it's not a good reply when someone discovers the defect in the lock.
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Mr. Orange 645 said:
1. Don't let your phone out of your sight.
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That solution doesn't help much in the event of armed robbery. A $1,100 phone becomes a tempting target if its security can be trivially bypassed. It becomes similar to flashing a wad of $100 bills.
However, this article explains that the problem arises only when you register your fingerprint using certain third-party screen protectors. Apparently, the phone records a pattern of irregularities on the protector itself, instead of recording your fingerprint. Subsequently, anyone pressing on that screen protector will present the same recorded pattern to the sensor.
https://www.sammobile.com/news/majo...print-flaw-will-be-fixed-with-software-update
So the solution is simply to register your fingerprint without a screen protector, or using a Samsung screen protector. Once your fingerprint is properly recorded, it won't matter what protector if any is placed on the screen by an unauthorized user.
Gary02468 said:
No, it's not a binary choice between being either concerned or not concerned about security. There are tradeoffs. Suppose you discover a flaw in your home's door lock that makes the lock open whenever someone knocks on the door. You could reply, "If you are concerned with home security, you should be hiring an armed guard to stand at the door". That may indeed be more effective than even the best available lock. But it's not the right solution for most people, and it's not a good reply when someone discovers the defect in the lock.
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Again it's a matter of convenience, period. A complex password with a policy after five wrong attempts wipes the device is pretty standard in a "high security" scenario.
The lock analogy is rather flawed as most fortifications don't work out well because they're focusing on the lock itself instead of other weaknesses. It does little to have a single $300 Medeco bump proof cylinder securing an entryway with a window right next to the door!
And most locks are just there for peace of mind. It's quite easy to gain entry if you know what you're doing. A phone that's properly secured, OTOH, is extremely difficult and often requires a specialist that's professionally trained (and many thousands of dollars) to gain entry.
But if foiling is as easy as placing a layer of silicone over the screen, it should be immediately disabled and never trusted. 'Secured by Knox' is a joke when something this simple can sidestep it. And they're worried about techies rooting!
People tend to like convenience and not worry about the vulnerabilities. That's why we have all these ways to make it easier to unlock our devices. And it's also why there's such a challenge to have beautiful edge to edge displays without resorting to punch holes, notches, crazy pop ups, etc. I'd have no problem ditching all the front facing crap for that. I'm sure most of the 'over 50 crowd' has no issue with that either.
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However, this article explains that the problem arises only when you register your fingerprint using certain third-party screen protectors. Apparently, the phone records a pattern of irregularities on the protector itself, instead of recording your fingerprint. Subsequently, anyone pressing on that screen protector will present the same recorded pattern to the sensor.
https://www.sammobile.com/news/majo...print-flaw-will-be-fixed-with-software-update
So the solution is simply to register your fingerprint without a screen protector, or using a Samsung screen protector. Once your fingerprint is properly recorded, it won't matter what protector if any is placed on the screen by an unauthorized user.
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The solution is to use no screen protector, this makes sense. And that's what I do. Can't stand them. I don't like scratches either but I rarely keep a device more than a few months so they look clean when I part with 'em.
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A complex password with a policy after five wrong attempts wipes the device is pretty standard in a "high security" scenario.
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Yes, and so are armed guards. But in most scenarios, too much security is as bad as too little security. It's a matter of degree.
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cpufrost said:
The solution is to use no screen protector, this makes sense.
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Well, that has to be phrased carefully. Taking off the screen protector won't necessarily help if you've already registered a fingerprint with the protector on. You have to delete any such fingerprints and then re-register without the protector. And once your prints are registered, it's no longer necessary to do without the protector if you otherwise want to use one.
SpideRMaN-17 said:
I dont have TWRP or an unlocked bootloader on my note 4 (but I followed it's development on XDA)
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Gotcha. Then I don't understand why you brought that up.
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No, it's not a binary choice between being either concerned or not concerned about security. There are tradeoffs. Suppose I discover a flaw in my home's door lock that makes the lock open whenever someone knocks on the door. You could reply, "If you are concerned with home security, you should be hiring an armed guard to stand at the door". That may indeed be more effective than even the best available lock. But it's not the right solution for most people, and it's not a good reply when someone discovers the defect in the lock.
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That solution doesn't help much in the event of armed robbery. A $1,100 phone becomes a tempting target if its security can be trivially bypassed. It becomes similar to flashing a wad of $100 bills.
However, this article explains that the problem arises only when you register your fingerprint using certain third-party screen protectors. Apparently, the phone records a pattern of irregularities on the protector itself, instead of recording your fingerprint. Subsequently, anyone pressing on that screen protector will present the same recorded pattern to the sensor.
https://www.sammobile.com/news/majo...print-flaw-will-be-fixed-with-software-update
So the solution is simply to register your fingerprint without a screen protector, or using a Samsung screen protector. Once your fingerprint is properly recorded, it won't matter what protector if any is placed on the screen by an unauthorized user.
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Talk to anyone in IT and they will tell you for security you use a complex password. Why do you think so many websites, especially banking websites, require the use of complex passwords.
So yes, if you are concerned about security, you use a complex password.
But since you brought up armed robbery, let me lean on my 16 years of full time law enforcement to answer that scenario.
No you cannot prevent all crime, but what you can do is harden the target. We tell people not only to lock their car doors, but to keep valuables out of sight. We don't advertise flashing their phone around, nor would we recommend flashing a wad of $100 bills around. So I don't get your response there, as it made no sense.
As far as not letting your phone out of your sight, it's same thing they tell you about your luggage at the airport. It IS a type of security. No matter how trivial you think it is.
The issue with the screen protector is not about preventing someone from pointing a gun at you and demanding your valuables, it's about preventing someone from illicitly accessing your personal information after they take the phone. So even in the case of an armed robbery, a complex password would make it much more difficult, if not impossible, for that robber to access your phone and the information it contains.
People that commit armed robberies are not the type that hack your phone. They are looking for a quick buck and will likely sell your phone and take your cash. BUT, if they did want to hack your phone, that silicone case would make it much easier. Whereas a complex password would protect your information. I mean, in an armed robbery your phone is gone either way. It's not like in the middle of the robbery, he's going to see your password and give it back. But he can't access the phone and you can remotely wipe it.
So as exciting as your example was, it's not accurate, nor does it address the OP's concerns.
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Gary02468 said:
Yes, and so are armed guards. But in most scenarios, too much security is as bad as too little security. It's a matter of degree.
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Said no security expert ever.
This is literally the first time I've ever heard anyone argue AGAINST complex passwords or consider them to be "too much" security. That's ridiculous.
By the way, with your door example (which is perfect, by the way), you would replace the lock with a more secure lock, not replace the whole door. You know, like replacing the fingerprint unlock with a complex password, instead of replacing the whole phone. You actually did a good job of making our point with that example!
Other than that I can only assume two things about you:
1. You are arguing for the sake of arguing, and doing a poor job of it.
2. You are genuinely opposed to taking responsibility for the security of your valuables and your role in securing them, and you'd rather blame someone else when your minimal level of security, chosen solely for your convenience, fails.
Again, if you are concerned about security, you don't let your phone out of your sight and you use a complex password. If you are concerned about convenience, you don't use a password or screen lock at all. A fingerprint reader is in the middle and is generally adequately secure. But when you find a flaw in that type of security you stop using it until it's fixed.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
Talk to anyone in IT and they will tell you for security you use a complex password.
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Arguing by authority (especially the authority of unnamed hypothetical people) is unconvincing. An intelligent security policy takes account of both the costs and the benefits of different security measures, which vary greatly from one situation to another.
Why do you think so many websites, especially banking websites, require the use of complex passwords[?]
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Because most PCs don't have fingerprint sensors. All of the banking apps on my phone allow me to access them using my fingerprint.
Said no security expert ever.
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Again, you appeal to the authority of imaginary experts who agree with you. Here's an example of what the real ones say ("Why too much security is almost as bad as too little security"):
https://www.vigilantsoftware.co.uk/...ity-is-almost-as-bad-as-too-little-security**
This is literally the first time I've ever heard anyone argue AGAINST complex passwords or consider them to be "too much" security.
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Then I guess you haven't heard of most banking apps.
By the way, with your door example (which is perfect, by the way), you would replace the lock with a more secure lock
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Yes, like replacing the fps firmware with a version that works properly (as Samsung is in the process of doing), rather than unnecessarily escalating to a much less practical security interface.
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Does anyone know if the Face Unlock feature will suffice for an exchange security measure? My exchange server policy requires me to have a pin unlock and I cannot substitute a pattern unlock.
Thoughts?
nothing is more unique then ones face......
No. It even warns you that it's low-security and experimental. Could possibly be fooled by holding up a photo.
Maddmatt said:
Could possibly be fooled by holding up a photo.
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Fail. It works via 3D contour and infrared signature of the face.
A photo has no 3D contour.
The face of a dead Gaddafi wouldn't work either, as a thermal image of a dead person is blue, rather than red.
If you're suffering from a cold, your cephalo infrared signature would still be roughly the same.
atleast i hope you stil can get a backup/second option to unlock your phone if the face unlock doesnt respond
ghost010 said:
atleast i hope you stil can get a backup/second option to unlock your phone if the face unlock doesnt respond
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You do! There is a standard PIN/Pattern unlock, when the light conditions are too bad for the Face Unlock to work.
( and you can activate it simply by holding your finger over the camera )
zeitgeb3r said:
Fail. It works via 3D contour and infrared signature of the face.
A photo has no 3D contour.
The face of a dead Gaddafi wouldn't work either, as a thermal image of a dead person is blue, rather than red.
If you're suffering from a cold, your cephalo infrared signature would still be roughly the same.
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How would this phone get a thermal image?
rickh925 said:
How would this phone get a thermal image?
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Thats what im wondering. I wouldve rather them skip infrared sensor and added 32gig storage or sd slot if thats the case.
I voided my warranty and your nexus.
berkmanmd said:
Does anyone know if the Face Unlock feature will suffice for an exchange security measure? My exchange server policy requires me to have a pin unlock and I cannot substitute a pattern unlock.
Thoughts?
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The worst thing that can happen to you if someone FORCES you to put YOUR FACE in front of the camera. Just... the worst thing.
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rickh925 said:
How would this phone get a thermal image?
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It's Google... they'd find a way.
From http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/hands-on-ice-cream-sandwich-review-1036402 -
Google admits a really large, high res photo of the person could feasibly unlock your phone, but it says it has put huge amounts of time into making sure this is really difficult to achieve.
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So it's a neat feature, but not super secure.
zeitgeb3r said:
Fail. It works via 3D contour and infrared signature of the face.
A photo has no 3D contour.
The face of a dead Gaddafi wouldn't work either, as a thermal image of a dead person is blue, rather than red.
If you're suffering from a cold, your cephalo infrared signature would still be roughly the same.
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Google admits a really large, high res photo of the person could feasibly unlock your phone, but it says it has put huge amounts of time into making sure this is really difficult to achieve.
I voided my warranty and your nexus.
3d contour and IR imaging only exists in really expensive building security systems. My office building uses a vascular 3d IR image of my hand as a bio metric security system and those things are not cheap.
The more likely scenario is that the algorithm relies on micro movements with your face to give it a slightly 3dish signature that a photo cannot reproduce, and that a tv screen playing video would not have the rez to fool the cam.
I agree with those who think there is no IR sensor in the Nexus. And I also think this think could be fooled, but patterns can be figured out by trying and are really easy to recognize when someone enters them.
I consider face unlock as a feature of comfort, if it works reliable to unlock the phone without many failed trys.
@Thread opener
I think you will see soon enough wether you can use face unlock with exchange, I think this depends on the servers settings, not on Nexus.
Kanalcommander said:
I agree with those who think there is no IR sensor in the Nexus. And I also think this think could be fooled, but patterns can be figured out by trying and are really easy to recognize when someone enters them.
I consider face unlock as a feature of comfort, if it works reliable to unlock the phone without many failed trys.
@Thread opener
I think you will see soon enough wether you can use face unlock with exchange, I think this depends on the servers settings, not on Nexus.
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@kanalcommander -- i think you're right...it comes down to the policy set by our exchange admin. in my case, they require a PIN unlock.
unfortunately, the PIN unlock takes all the sexiness out of unlocking your android. i might have to either
a) not set up my exchange account
b) use enhanced email or similar (based on the default email app, but removes the lock policy)
CanaganD said:
3d contour and IR imaging only exists in really expensive building security systems. My office building uses a vascular 3d IR image of my hand as a bio metric security system and those things are not cheap.
The more likely scenario is that the algorithm relies on micro movements with your face to give it a slightly 3dish signature that a photo cannot reproduce, and that a tv screen playing video would not have the rez to fool the cam.
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I think this is likely what they are doing. They could just track eye movement, human eyes are constantly making small movements so we could detect static objects, it'd be hard to achieve this with a picture.
You people are crazy, it's simple face recognition.
Eyes, mouth, nose, ear, and then distances between everything.
(which is why it can be fooled with a a picture.)
We will just have to wait and see.
I voided my warranty and your nexus.
Does anyone know of a app? Xposed module? Tweak? That will allow me to add more than 5 fingerprints?
I really don't understand the limitation?!
rahditzz said:
Does anyone know of a app? Xposed module? Tweak? That will allow me to add more than 5 fingerprints?
I really don't understand the limitation?!
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I do not think that is possible. The fingerprint information is stored somewhere inside the actual fingerprint sensor or that is what I have read.
It could be for security, why storing unnecessary sensible information, even encrypted and secured. I doubt many people require more than 5 fingerprints. You certainly have some very specific needs.
I understand that storing a finger on each hand can make things easier, but never had the need for more.
Left foot, right foot, left hand, right hand and nose of course should be enough anyway.
I agree. It would be great if I can scan all my fingers and toes. What the h*ll was Google thinking to limit us?
rahditzz said:
Does anyone know of a app? Xposed module? Tweak? That will allow me to add more than 5 fingerprints?
I really don't understand the limitation?!
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May I ask why you'd need so many? The more you add the less secure it becomes.
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I wanna make it more acurate..
Apparently my print changes alot due to my work..
It has to do with speed.
The more fingerprints you add, the more profiles the phone creates and stores, therefore when the phone scans your fingerprint it has to match it against it's current profiles the more you have the slower the process becomes.
Someone at Oneplus must have devices 5 was the best compromise.
Quick tip:
You can teach your phone to recognize multiple fingers on one fingerprint slot. For example: during the training process, alternate your forefinger and middle finger.
I have not tried more than two per slot, but so far, I did not notice any glitch or performance issue.
I wanna put 20 fingers (incl. toes)
nolcad said:
Quick tip:
You can teach your phone to recognize multiple fingers on one fingerprint slot. For example: during the training process, alternate your forefinger and middle finger.
I have not tried more than two per slot, but so far, I did not notice any glitch or performance issue.
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Just deleted all my fingerprint, have 2 fingerprints slot. First one for all mine left-handed fingers and the second for mine right-handed fingers. For now it works great.
nolcad said:
Quick tip:
You can teach your phone to recognize multiple fingers on one fingerprint slot. For example: during the training process, alternate your forefinger and middle finger.
I have not tried more than two per slot, but so far, I did not notice any glitch or performance issue.
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Its not even precise enough even with one finger per print..
This looks like an excellent opportunity to put the scratch testing question to bed.
Post your pre turn-in scratch test results here.
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Since you started the thread, we'd like to see the first result from you.
fortesquieu said:
Since you started the thread, we'd like to see the first result from you.
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This.
And he ran away lmfao
I bought my Black N7 (SM-N930T) just before the recall, (Sept 1). I had it go caseless for the first 24 hours and I can confirm that have a few micro scratches. They're so faint that I can't photograph them, but they're definitely there. Even though it was caseless I babied the hell out of it and never let it sit on any surface as hard as a 6 mohs. I went and got a case for it the second day. I know it's anecdotal and I'm not going to scratch my phone intentionally, but I certainly think Gorilla Glass 5 isn't as scratch resistant as Corning says. What I'd like to see is scratch tests done on a Note 7 after its been exchanged. Only time will tell if this becomes another big controversy.
TLDR: Mine scratched too easily and too soon.
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And he ran away lmfao
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You know you want to do it...
Retarded thread.
Don't be pissed if Samsung figures out a way to isloate via Serial Number and tells you your device is NOT affected.
THS1989 said:
Retarded thread.
Don't be pissed if Samsung figures out a way to isloate via Serial Number and tells you your device is NOT affected.
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If they sold a $900 phone that scratches as easily as they say...
Why are you defending them?
If it doesn't scratch, what's the worry?
THS1989 said:
Retarded thread.
Don't be pissed if Samsung figures out a way to isloate via Serial Number and tells you your device is NOT affected.
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That is in the works. Return now while you can.
JulesJam said:
That is in the works. Return now while you can.
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Mine has no issues and gets 7-8h+ SOT and stays cold.
I'd rather not return if I don't have to.
My carrier also said to wait for instructions as they get them from Samsung Canada.
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les_garten said:
If they sold a $900 phone that scratches as easily as they say...
Why are you defending them?
If it doesn't scratch, what's the worry?
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What ? You are making no sense.
This isn't about IF it scratches or not.
It's about using your head and realizing that Samsung might narrow down the issue with further investigation to specific batches which could be traced by Serial Number / IMEI.
There is no point in trying to "scratch test" your $900 phone on purpose because there is no gurantee that within a week or two or three that Samsung will replace the device.
I mean, why should they replace your phone if they figure out that it isn't affected by the issue....
Again, they are STILL INVESTIGATING. They MIGHT be able to narrow it down so hold of on the intentional damage / torture tests imho.
THS1989 said:
Mine has no issues and gets 7-8h+ SOT and stays cold.
I'd rather not return if I don't have to.
My carrier also said to wait for instructions as they get them from Samsung Canada.
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What ? You are making no sense.
This isn't about IF it scratches or not.
It's about using your head and realizing that Samsung might narrow down the issue with further investigation to specific batches which could be traced by Serial Number / IMEI.
There is no point in trying to "scratch test" your $900 phone on purpose because there is no gurantee that within a week or two or three that Samsung will replace the device.
I mean, why should they replace your phone if they figure out that it isn't affected by the issue....
Again, they are STILL INVESTIGATING. They MIGHT be able to narrow it down so hold of on the intentional damage / torture tests imho.
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They've already been recalled by Carriers in the US.
les_garten said:
If they sold a $900 phone that scratches as easily as they say...
Why are you defending them?
If it doesn't scratch, what's the worry?
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No one is defending Samsung. We are ridiculing your behaviour and attitude as we indeed should. Samsung are doing all they can to rectify this situation and owners like you are just adding to the problem with puerile behaviour. :silly:
Ryland
Ryland Johnson said:
No one is defending Samsung. We are ridiculing your behaviour and attitude as we indeed should. Samsung are doing all they can to rectify this situation and owners like you are just adding to the problem with puerile behaviour. :silly:
Ryland
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Exactly.
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They've already been recalled by Carriers in the US.
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I'm in Canada and my Carrier says it's a "voluntary" recall with more instructions/details to follow.
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Exactly.
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I'm in Canada and my Carrier says it's a "voluntary" recall with more instructions/details to follow.
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It's not voluntary here. They want you to immediately stop using the phone. and turn it in for an Interim phone or decline the Note 7. They want you to stop immediately.
And their FAQ file says damage is irrelevant to the exchange.
I'm not saying smash with a sledge hammer.
These phones will be put back as new front and back. It would be nice to know if normal handling scratches them.
But it would be interested how it responds to keys and what not in the pocket.
Basically carry it as a un-babied phone.
If GG 5 is what Samsung says it is, you shouldn't worry carrying it normally.
I think is they backslid on protection they need to know it happens and what we feel about it.
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It's not voluntary here. They want you to immediately stop using the phone. and turn it in for an Interim phone or decline the Note 7. They want you to stop immediately.
And their FAQ file says damage is irrelevant to the exchange.
I'm not saying smash with a sledge hammer.
These phones will be put back as new front and back. It would be nice to know if normal handling scratches them.
But it would be interested how it responds to keys and what not in the pocket.
Basically carry it as a un-babied phone.
If GG 5 is what Samsung says it is, you shouldn't worry carrying it normally.
I think is they backslid on protection they need to know it happens and what we feel about it.
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Why are you still going on about scratches.
We know it scratches....
It scratches LESS than plastic while being more shatter resistant than regular curved glass could ever be.
That's the point of GG5. Because of the double curved front and back glass, they had to create a type of glass that was more shatter resistant. Previous GG formulations likely would not have worked and been very weak especially at the curved edges.
I think they have done a fine job overall. Would I have preferred a more scratch resistant non curved glass ?
At first I thought yes. Now after using this phone, I say NO. It is much more compact and easier to hold this way.
All I need now is to find the genuine Samsung screen protector somewhere...
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Why are you still going on about scratches.
We know it scratches....
It scratches LESS than plastic while being more shatter resistant than regular curved glass could ever be.
That's the point of GG5. Because of the double curved front and back glass, they had to create a type of glass that was more shatter resistant. Previous GG formulations likely would not have worked and been very weak especially at the curved edges.
I think they have done a fine job overall. Would I have preferred a more scratch resistant non curved glass ?
At first I thought yes. Now after using this phone, I say NO. It is much more compact and easier to hold this way.
All I need now is to find the genuine Samsung screen protector somewhere...
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The question I believe that most people have is whether or not it scratches easier than GG4? My Galaxy S6 w/ GG4 managed to get a scratch on the screen only after a few days of ownership and I was very careful with it. I don't believe if someone here happens to get a scratch on the Note 7 that it automatically implies that it's somehow easier to scratch overall compared to GG4. I tried to see how a Note 7 would hold up at a local retail store and I could not leave a single scratch on it using keys and other metal objects. I can't help but think that opinions of GG5 scratch resistance have been permanently biased because of one Youtube video. Here is another video that appears to contradict the notion that GG5 scratches almost as easily as plastic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l0xpSZTlC0
I think this video is a step in the right direction but I would like to see someone else do a similar test that jerryrigeverrything did before we start to preach the gospel of #scratchgate and state it as irrefutable fact.
I've never owned a phone that didn't get scratches on it visible from certain angles. As far as the recall goes, Samsung has already stated that they would be replacing the phone for everybody that bought it. So for them to go back and say only this certain serial numbers would be pretty ****ty imo. But I wouldn't put it past them doing it. I guess i need to get with Verizon and see what I nees to do.
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The question I believe that most people have is whether or not it scratches easier than GG4? My Galaxy S6 w/ GG4 managed to get a scratch on the screen only after a few days of ownership and I was very careful with it. I don't believe if someone here happens to get a scratch on the Note 7 that it automatically implies that it's somehow easier to scratch overall compared to GG4. I tried to see how a Note 7 would hold up at a local retail store and I could not leave a single scratch on it using keys and other metal objects. I can't help but think that opinions of GG5 scratch resistance have been permanently biased because of one Youtube video. Here is another video that appears to contradict the notion that GG5 scratches almost as easily as plastic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l0xpSZTlC0
I think this video is a step in the right direction but I would like to see someone else do a similar test that jerryrigeverrything did before we start to preach the gospel of #scratchgate and state it as irrefutable fact.
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I read on a Swedish forum that an employee at MediaMarkt (largest electronics chain in Europe) informed a customer the demo devices use GG4.
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I'm in Canada and my Carrier says it's a "voluntary" recall with more instructions/details to follow.
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Which Carrier are you on? I'm with Telus, and their official statement says it's not voluntary. They recommend turning in the Note ASAP, and either getting a loaner until the replacement arrives, or swapping to a different phone.
GibMcFragger said:
Which Carrier are you on? I'm with Telus, and their official statement says it's not voluntary. They recommend turning in the Note ASAP, and either getting a loaner until the replacement arrives, or swapping to a different phone.
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Bell and they said voluntary.
Got the phone few days ago. Most of the time, fingerprint works on first or second attempts. But now and then it takes 4-5 attempts. and on two occasions i had to try 8-9 times to get it to work. Is it a problem only i am facing or its a common problem? i already updated phone after buying. should i get it replaced or it will be ok with next update
Thanks.
common problem i think. not as fast as the previous one on N9
Well, it is not widespread or "common", some users complain about this, but this issue has been discussed at lenght since the first days of this device, do a search, you will find some useful tips, My sensor is very fast and accurate, I think it depends on several factors, temp, moisture, the way you registered the fingers, screen protectors, etc
Also, register the same finger multiple times... I believe you can add 5 fingerprints....
I understand what you are talking about. I was so frustrated with the phone when I first got it. I deleted all my finger prints and then set them up again. Make sure to slowly follow the fingerprint instructions when adding. I added multiple fingers and some more than once. I have not had any issues since. I have also read some people say remove the factory screen protector. I still have mine on with no issues. Good luck!
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I understand what you are talking about. I was so frustrated with the phone when I first got it. I deleted all my finger prints and then set them up again. Make sure to slowly follow the fingerprint instructions when adding. I added multiple fingers and some more than once. I have not had any issues since. I have also read some people say remove the factory screen protector. I still have mine on with no issues. Good luck!
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did you have the same issue as mine? like u had to make several attempts and sometimes even 8-9 times to make it work?
only time I've had problems with mine is when my hands have been extremely dry, putting slight moisture on my finger can make it scan better, but for the most part it works perfect unless I'm somewhere hot and dry.
I have similar issues when I have a screen protector on the phone. Sometimes I have to press multiple times, sometimes I have to press harder. Finally going without anything on the screen and the sensor works like a charm.
Screen touch sensitivity.
On my Note 10+ 5G (SM-N976U) I have a setting on the Display page (scroll down near the bottom) that increases touch sensitivity specifically for use with screen protectors. The screen itself is Gorilla Glass 6, which is twice as strong as Gorilla Glass 5, so, if you are the careful sort, you can get by without a glass protector. Even with an extra curved glass protector, with touch sensitivity turned up, I can use light gloves & still the capacitance works fine.
Touch sensitivity has nothing to do with the fingerprint sensor.
Mine works perfect with screen protector. Sure if you put new screen peotector, it takes time to recognise finger. But when protector sits perfect than no prob at all.
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Mine drives me mad , adding finger prints mostly does not work , i cant record my thumb print at all , was wondering if the sensor is not correct under the screen ,its always hit or miss on my phone , with my wifes note 10 there are no problems
peekie said:
Mine drives me mad , adding finger prints mostly does not work , i cant record my thumb print at all , was wondering if the sensor is not correct under the screen ,its always hit or miss on my phone , with my wifes note 10 there are no problems
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Make a warranty claim, there is no point to complain here, sorry
winol said:
Make a warranty claim, there is no point to complain here, sorry
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A hard reset solved the problem , it was not a complaint post i made but a comment on the fingerprint sensor, now fixed
I'm missing the iris scanner from the note 9.
Might send it back and go back to the 9
clax6 said:
I'm missing the iris scanner from the note 9.
Might send it back and go back to the 9
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the sensor works well as long as you don't have dry hands, lick your finger/thumb and it will work every time, sad but true. it's something I realise after it working flawlessly while drinking in a beer garden with condensed glasses but the rest of the time it was hit and miss. seems if your skin is too dry it doesn't read well, but add a bit moisture and it works perfectly. guess it has something to do with the technology in the new sensor using vibration instead of imaging.
Belimawr said:
the sensor works well as long as you don't have dry hands, lick your finger/thumb and it will work every time, sad but true. it's something I realise after it working flawlessly while drinking in a beer garden with condensed glasses but the rest of the time it was hit and miss. seems if your skin is too dry it doesn't read well, but add a bit moisture and it works perfectly. guess it has something to do with the technology in the new sensor using vibration instead of imaging.
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Yes, lick your finger everytime you want it to work in the midst of a pandemic that seems to be spread by the virus getting transmitted from the hands to the face everytime you touch it...
You can also try this - https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-10+/themes/fingerprint-speed-hack-t4071893
No need to lick fingers now...
Excellent advice from ultramag69, this mostly solved my problem, but I'm not happy with Samsung, This problem should not happen on such an expensive device from a famous brand
kimtiti said:
Excellent advice from ultramag69, this mostly solved my problem, but I'm not happy with Samsung, This problem should not happen on such an expensive device from a famous brand
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The other advice I've found is to set up multiple finger prints with the same finger (you can usually set 5 fingerprints). This will improve the hit rate of the fingerprint sensor...
ultramag69 said:
The other advice I've found is to set up multiple finger prints with the same finger (you can usually set 5 fingerprints). This will improve the hit rate of the fingerprint sensor...
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Yes it's maximum 4 on this device, it helps a little also
Whitestone Dome just released a replacement screen protector for the inner folding display, which they advertise as the genuine Samsung film. It comes in a one-pack for $20 plus shipping on their site, or $18 with free Prime shipping on Amazon. It includes a jig to help with alignment and they advertise a bubble free installation.
Just thought I'd mention it for those looking to replace their inner screen protector, but want the original film (which in my opinion is fantastic). But mine has picked up a few hairline scratches and I may replace it soon.
Whitestone Dome [Samsung Genuine Film] for Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3 Dome Genuine Film Screen Protector Anti-Bubble HD Clear PET Film Screen Guard for Galaxy Z Fold 3 (2021) https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B09LV4W...abc_5256ME01VCGKQN1GVWZS?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
[Gen Film] Galaxy Z Fold 3 Gen Film Screen Protector with Installation Jig - Anti-Bubble, HD Clear, PET Film
Oneplus 8T Tempered Glass Screen Protector EZ installation. Edge to edge protection while providing the perfect clarity and touch sensitivity. 3 Pack glass and easy installation tool included.
www.whitestonedome.com
Why is this post marked as an question?
TrulyPain said:
Why is this post marked as an question?
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Because I didn't mean to mark it as a question. I fixed it. I hope it didn't disturb your evening too terribly that it was miscategorized.
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Because I didn't mean to mark it as a question. I fixed it. I hope it didn't disturb your evening too terribly that it was miscategorized.
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Okay good, I just thought you might just forgot to write your question. Therefore I did politely ask why it was marked as an question.
In my country they say removing original screen protector voids warranty
klemen241 said:
In my country they say removing original screen protector voids warranty
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In US at least it was clarified that removing it doesn't void the warranty. But if you damage the screen while removing it, it's not covered.
None of the display disassemble is easy on this model. You better know what you're doing, and have steady nerves and hands... and a near clean room environment be nice to have.
I have zero faith in Whitestone based on their lame of customer support and poor QC that I unfortunately witnessed myself.
OEM parts by Samsung certified repair center is the safest bet...
I just received my screen protector today from Amazon. I don't plan on installing it yet, as my factory screen protector is still in great shape with only a few surface scratches. I basically bought this out of curiosity and to have a back up if I need it.
Again, this is marketed as the genuine Samsung film, meaning it's the OEM replacement film for the ZF3. It comes with a jig to assure perfect alignment, and they advertise a bubble free installation. I can't attest to that since I haven't installed it, but a dust free environment would be ideal. No different than any other screen protector installation.
The film is the EXACT same size as the factory applied film. It is not the $90 UTG film that Whitestone originally marketed, which also seems to no longer be available on their site. I have no doubts about the quality. WSD has a great reputation amongst users here, and I'm currently using their EZ glass protector on the outer screen, and it's fantastic and was super easy to install.
As far as what @blackhawk said, you can safely ignore him and his comments. He has been trashing the ZF2 and the ZF3 since they were released, despite the fact that he's never owned either device and says he will never own them. He often makes false claims about the devices and Samsung in general. He is a troll that goes to different forums here just to trash talk devices. I actually have him on my ignore list, but his comments still appear sometimes. But he's just trolling this thread, too. He doesn't own this device, obviously has NO clue how to install a screen protector on it, and I doubt he has any experience with any WSD product.
There is NO disassembly of the display required at all. You're merely peeling the factory screen protector off. It does not require skill or nerves of steel. Simply watching a YouTube video will show you how easily the factory film is removed. Obviously you can always go to a Samsung certified repair shop like UBreakIFix or Best Buy, but this is the genuine film and can easily be installed at home. Run the shower, steam up your bathroom to knock dust out of the air, and just be patient and careful. Same method I've used for years to install all different types of screen protectors.
This video shows installation of WSD Silk UTG screen protector, but the jig and installation for the genuine film is identical. As you can see, it's pretty straightforward.
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I just received my screen protector today from Amazon. I don't plan on installing it yet, as my factory screen protector is still in great shape with only a few surface scratches. I basically bought this out of curiosity and to have a back up if I need it.
Again, this is marketed as the genuine Samsung film, meaning it's the OEM replacement film for the ZF3. It comes with a jig to assure perfect alignment, and they advertise a bubble free installation. I can't attest to that since I haven't installed it, but a dust free environment would be ideal. No different than any other screen protector installation.
The film is the EXACT same size as the factory applied film. It is not the $90 UTG film that Whitestone originally marketed, which also seems to no longer be available on their site. I have no doubts about the quality. WSD has a great reputation amongst users here, and I'm currently using their EZ glass protector on the outer screen, and it's fantastic and was super easy to install.
As far as what @blackhawk said, you can safely ignore him and his comments. He has been trashing the ZF2 and the ZF3 since they were released, despite the fact that he's never owned either device and says he will never own them. He often makes false claims about the devices and Samsung in general. He is a troll that goes to different forums here just to trash talk devices. I actually have him on my ignore list, but his comments still appear sometimes. But he's just trolling this thread, too. He doesn't nt own this device, obviously has MO clue how to install a screen protector on it, and I doubt he has any experience with any WSD product.
There is NO disassembly of the display required at all. You're merely peeling the factory screen protector off. It does not require skill or nerves of steel. Simply watching a YouTube video will show you how easily the factory film is removed. Obviously you can always go to a Samsung certified repair shop like UBreakIFix or Best Buy, but this is the genuine film and can easily be installed at home. Run the shower, steam up your bathroom to knock dust out of the air, and just be patient and careful. Same method I've used for years to install all different types of screen protectors.
This video shows installation of WSD Silk UTG screen protector, but the jig and installation for the genuine film is identical. As you can see, it's pretty straightforward.
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I wuv you too.
How many can you repeat yourself, weak sauce?
Me not owning this device doesn't change the materials or design of it... unfortunately.
By all means show us how well your do it self repair went. You probably should have got two, you'll need the practice.
Someone who has done dozens of them knows the tricks you don't. They get paid to learn by their failures, do you?
You'll be looking at every day for hours, that's why you pay a skilled tech to do it.
Anyone can buy 2 quarts of urethane car paint, the trick is putting it on.
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I wuv you too.
How many can you repeat yourself, weak sauce?
Me not owning this device doesn't change the materials or design of it... unfortunately.
By all means show us how well your do it self repair went. You probably should have got two, you'll need the practice.
Someone who has done dozens of them knows the tricks you don't. They get paid to learn by their failures, do you?
You'll be looking at every day for hours, that's why you pay a skilled tech to do it.
Anyone can buy 2 quarts of urethane car paint, the trick is putting it on.
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Literally none of your rambling response made any sense at all. But thanks for attempting to communicate and successfully hijacking yet another thread with your utter nonsense.
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I just received my screen protector today from Amazon. I don't plan on installing it yet, as my factory screen protector is still in great shape with only a few surface scratches. I basically bought this out of curiosity and to have a back up if I need it.
Again, this is marketed as the genuine Samsung film, meaning it's the OEM replacement film for the ZF3. It comes with a jig to assure perfect alignment, and they advertise a bubble free installation. I can't attest to that since I haven't installed it, but a dust free environment would be ideal. No different than any other screen protector installation.
The film is the EXACT same size as the factory applied film. It is not the $90 UTG film that Whitestone originally marketed, which also seems to no longer be available on their site. I have no doubts about the quality. WSD has a great reputation amongst users here, and I'm currently using their EZ glass protector on the outer screen, and it's fantastic and was super easy to install.
As far as what @blackhawk said, you can safely ignore him and his comments. He has been trashing the ZF2 and the ZF3 since they were released, despite the fact that he's never owned either device and says he will never own them. He often makes false claims about the devices and Samsung in general. He is a troll that goes to different forums here just to trash talk devices. I actually have him on my ignore list, but his comments still appear sometimes. But he's just trolling this thread, too. He doesn't own this device, obviously has NO clue how to install a screen protector on it, and I doubt he has any experience with any WSD product.
There is NO disassembly of the display required at all. You're merely peeling the factory screen protector off. It does not require skill or nerves of steel. Simply watching a YouTube video will show you how easily the factory film is removed. Obviously you can always go to a Samsung certified repair shop like UBreakIFix or Best Buy, but this is the genuine film and can easily be installed at home. Run the shower, steam up your bathroom to knock dust out of the air, and just be patient and careful. Same method I've used for years to install all different types of screen protectors.
This video shows installation of WSD Silk UTG screen protector, but the jig and installation for the genuine film is identical. As you can see, it's pretty straightforward.
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This is great, thanks. I generally avoid expensive screen protection because I'm absolutely useless at applying it. This video shows why you'd invest in this protector. It seems that even I could manage it.
Thanks for the shower tip too!
jeromepearce said:
This is great, thanks. I generally avoid expensive screen protection because I'm absolutely useless at applying it. This video shows why you'd invest in this protector. It seems that even I could manage it.
Thanks for the shower tip too!
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No problem at all! Shower works a treat for minimizing dust in the air. I run te shower and the faucet on hot. When the mirror steams up, you should be good.
Pretty cool that this is available. Unfortunately, I haven't had much luck with Whitestone on my N20U and Fold2. Fortunately, still no scratches on either factory screen protector. My Fold3 is a first release device and I use the s pen multiple times per day. I am very happy with my inner screen experience this go around. Mine still feels like actual glass.
On a side note, I'm really happy to see the Fold3 getting more love with the accessories than the Fold2 did. Makes me hopeful that the line itself has gained popularity and with what to expect with the 4th iteration.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
I just received my screen protector today from Amazon. I don't plan on installing it yet, as my factory screen protector is still in great shape with only a few surface scratches. I basically bought this out of curiosity and to have a back up if I need it.
Again, this is marketed as the genuine Samsung film, meaning it's the OEM replacement film for the ZF3. It comes with a jig to assure perfect alignment, and they advertise a bubble free installation. I can't attest to that since I haven't installed it, but a dust free environment would be ideal. No different than any other screen protector installation.
The film is the EXACT same size as the factory applied film. It is not the $90 UTG film that Whitestone originally marketed, which also seems to no longer be available on their site. I have no doubts about the quality. WSD has a great reputation amongst users here, and I'm currently using their EZ glass protector on the outer screen, and it's fantastic and was super easy to install.
As far as what @blackhawk said, you can safely ignore him and his comments. He has been trashing the ZF2 and the ZF3 since they were released, despite the fact that he's never owned either device and says he will never own them. He often makes false claims about the devices and Samsung in general. He is a troll that goes to different forums here just to trash talk devices. I actually have him on my ignore list, but his comments still appear sometimes. But he's just trolling this thread, too. He doesn't own this device, obviously has NO clue how to install a screen protector on it, and I doubt he has any experience with any WSD product.
There is NO disassembly of the display required at all. You're merely peeling the factory screen protector off. It does not require skill or nerves of steel. Simply watching a YouTube video will show you how easily the factory film is removed. Obviously you can always go to a Samsung certified repair shop like UBreakIFix or Best Buy, but this is the genuine film and can easily be installed at home. Run the shower, steam up your bathroom to knock dust out of the air, and just be patient and careful. Same method I've used for years to install all different types of screen protectors.
This video shows installation of WSD Silk UTG screen protector, but the jig and installation for the genuine film is identical. As you can see, it's pretty straightforward.
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I'm sorry but why people take critique of a devices or companie so personal? In my opinion i don't care if it's Apple or Samsung or any other producer. What counts is the quality and the hardware plus the service. If all 3 criterias are given i will buy there product. Regarding the ZFold 2 and 3. This devices are a expensive jokes. If i can damage a display while taking off a screen protector, or by pressing a little to hard with my nail it's rubbish. If the display creates a ugly white line with dead pixels by itself, where the crease is and Samsung has the audacity to say it's costumer induced damage one can only shake his head. If you buy the 2k mobile and after 2-3 openings the display cracks, i can only shake my head and say what we're they thinking. This technology is totally unreliable and basically useless. Keep babying your fragile mobile and hope Samsung has mercy on your soul when the display goes bye bye. On ebay are many zflips and zfolds with exactly the damage i described. Sure compared to the millions sold, not all will show this flaw. But all are prone to be damaged by anything as hard as a fingernail.
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I'm sorry but why people take critique of a devices or companie so personal? In my opinion i don't care if it's Apple or Samsung or any other producer. What counts is the quality and the hardware plus the service. If all 3 criterias are given i will buy there product. Regarding the ZFold 2 and 3. This devices are a expensive jokes. If i can damage a display while taking off a screen protector, or by pressing a little to hard with my nail it's rubbish. If the display creates a ugly white line with dead pixels by itself, where the crease is and Samsung has the audacity to say it's costumer induced damage one can only shake his head. If you buy the 2k mobile and after 2-3 openings the display cracks, i can only shake my head and say what we're they thinking. This technology is totally unreliable and basically useless. Keep babying your fragile mobile and hope Samsung has mercy on your soul when the display goes bye bye. On ebay are many zflips and zfolds with exactly the damage i described. Sure compared to the millions sold, not all will show this flaw. But all are prone to be damaged by anything as hard as a fingernail.
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I see your point. This phone is NOT for everyone. I would not even consider getting this for my son. No, it would not last. He can juggle phone and tablet. For me, who does NOT "baby" my phone, but don't abuse it as well, it's great. A friend who works construction thought about it and I talked him out of it because of his work environment, this phone would not hold up.
Calling this device a "joke", I think is not right and just going to show how narrow your view on new tech really is. It's "Bleeding Edge" and most of us that bought this are okay with having to be a little more careful with our device because of the new tech and the delicacy of the first few generations of a device of this type.
All in all, everyone is going to have different views and attitudes to new tech. If you have no interest here, hijacking a thread to bash on a device is just childish. If you don't like this device, have no interest in it, well, do the smart thing, stay out of the forum for the phone and it won't cause you any issues regardless of what someone posts here.
Just my perspective.
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I'm sorry but why people take critique of a devices or companie so personal? In my opinion i don't care if it's Apple or Samsung or any other producer. What counts is the quality and the hardware plus the service. If all 3 criterias are given i will buy there product. Regarding the ZFold 2 and 3. This devices are a expensive jokes. If i can damage a display while taking off a screen protector, or by pressing a little to hard with my nail it's rubbish. If the display creates a ugly white line with dead pixels by itself, where the crease is and Samsung has the audacity to say it's costumer induced damage one can only shake his head. If you buy the 2k mobile and after 2-3 openings the display cracks, i can only shake my head and say what we're they thinking. This technology is totally unreliable and basically useless. Keep babying your fragile mobile and hope Samsung has mercy on your soul when the display goes bye bye. On ebay are many zflips and zfolds with exactly the damage i described. Sure compared to the millions sold, not all will show this flaw. But all are prone to be damaged by anything as hard as a fingernail.
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So this thread is about a genuine inner screen protector. There's a general discussion about the phone in another thread. But I will say almost everything you just said is completely untrue. And Ive used both the ZF2 and ZF3 as daily drivers and I don't baby them at all.
I don't take anyone's opinions personally. At all. I don't give AF what phone you like, don't like, use, don't use. I just get frustrated when I come here to help other users and get help, then people like you hijack threads with misinformation and just trash talk a device you've never used, and know nothing about. If you have to lie about a phone to discourage others from using it, or justifying why you don't like it, then you're obviously the one taking it personal.
So take your opinions and misinformation to the general discussion thread. Please and thank you.
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So this thread is about a genuine inner screen protector. There's a general discussion about the phone in another thread. But I will say almost everything you just said is completely untrue. And Ive used both the ZF2 and ZF3 as daily drivers and I don't baby them at all.
I don't take anyone's opinions personally. At all. I don't give AF what phone you like, don't like, use, don't use. I just get frustrated when I come here to help other users and get help, then people like you hijack threads with misinformation and just trash talk a device you've never used, and know nothing about. If you have to lie about a phone to discourage others from using it, or justifying why you don't like it, then you're obviously the one taking it personal.
So take your opinions and misinformation to the general discussion thread. Please and thank you.
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I agree completely and that is the last I will say about this...
Now, back to the OP.
I watched install vids for the $90 trash they had out before and it looked daunting, at best. Does this one have the same installation?
Talderon said:
I agree completely and that is the last I will say about this...
Now, back to the OP.
I watched install vids for the $90 trash they had out before and it looked daunting, at best. Does this one have the same installation?
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As far as I can tell yes. It comes with the exact same jig
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As far as I can tell yes. It comes with the exact same jig
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Well, I am not sure I am skilled enough to get this installed. I would have to see if my Bro can do it if and when I need one. That dude has installed more WDS protectors that anyone I know (in the hundreds).
Talderon said:
Well, I am not sure I am skilled enough to get this installed. I would have to see if my Bro can do it if and when I need one. That dude has installed more WDS protectors that anyone I know (in the hundreds).
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It actually looks pretty straight forward. There's no liquid adhesive on this. It's a dry install. It comes with a jig that lines everything up and you just press it down with a squeeqee. I posted a link to a video showing the installation earlier in the thread.