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8MP versus 6.5MP Widescreen?

I just noticed at the full 8MP resolution setting the pictures are not Widescreen. Is there a big difference resolution wise between the two? I prefer the look of the 6.5MP Widescreen on the phone but don't want to sacrifice too much resolution in case I want to print the pictures. I don't see a difference on the phone between the two resolution wise but the phone's screen resolution is so low it is hard to tell. Any advice on which setting is best?
Thanks!

dcam1075 said:
I just noticed at the full 8MP resolution setting the pictures are not Widescreen. Is there a big difference resolution wise between the two? I prefer the look of the 6.5MP Widescreen on the phone but don't want to sacrifice too much resolution in case I want to print the pictures. I don't see a difference on the phone between the two resolution wise but the phone's screen resolution is so low it is hard to tell. Any advice on which setting is best?
Thanks!
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You will only notice the difference when you blow up the picture beyond its own dimensions. Megapixels have really nothing to do with quality. Sure higher megapixels mean a larger resolution, what really matters is the sensor. As long as there is enough light, you should get some great looking pictures. The rest is personal preference.

Why not shoot full, and crop those you'd prefer wider later?

daveid said:
Why not shoot full, and crop those you'd prefer wider later?
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I mostly view the pictures on the phone and at the full 8MP they don't fill the screen when viewing them. That was my reason for wanting to use the 6.5MP Widescreen mode, I just didn't want to lose quality if I later wanted to print those same images at 8x10.

Can't adjust Camera Resolution?

Anyone have this issue?
All I can select is 1:1, 4:3, and 16:9. Nothing else. What the heck is this?

Same here. No quality adjustment. Only aspect ratio.

Same very weird

aachil said:
Same very weird
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Between this and the **** battery life im sending this thing back.

DrexelDragon said:
Between this and the **** battery life im sending this thing back.
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What are you going to get? The S6 is way worse.

geoff5093 said:
What are you going to get? The S6 is way worse.
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I have an S6 Edge. My battery life is better on there than it is on my G4.

DrexelDragon said:
I have an S6 Edge. My battery life is better on there than it is on my G4.
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From owning the S6 for a week, and reading all the reviews and people posting here, I'd say it's unanimous that the battery on the S6 is awful. It would last half as long as my G3, and that was with many features disabled, bloatware disabled, and I used Greenify. Great battery life when using the phone, but standby was awful.

Why would you want to turn the photo quality down?

chrisokaly said:
Why would you want to turn the photo quality down?
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Jesus. The problem is there's no indication of what resolution you are taking the picture at at ALL. An idiotic thing to leave out of a camera app.

DrexelDragon said:
Jesus. The problem is there's no indication of what resolution you are taking the picture at at ALL. An idiotic thing to leave out of a camera app.
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Exactly!

chrisokaly said:
Why would you want to turn the photo quality down?
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So many reasons......
File size, image size, image preview speeds, upload limits on websites, being unecessary in general, etc. It's really sad that there's no resolution adjustment.....
Maybe check for a photo size option? Like S/M/L? My DSLR does it like that.

Hi everyone,
While I'm waiting for my phone to reach me, I have a recommendation and suggestion.
I believe changing the aspect ratio itself will adjust the resolution.
As with my previous phones, I think the 4:3 ratio would be the full, native, 16 MP resolution, or a photo size of 4608 x 3456 (multiply 4608 by 3456, you get 15.9 million pixels, or 16 MP)
A middle resolution would be the 16:9 ratio
The lower resolution would be the 1:1 ratio
Please, if someone could take a photo with the last 2 ratios, and let us know the photo dimensions, then we can figure out the resolution
Update:
Well... it seems I may have been wrong.
I found some 16:9 photos on this forum, and judging by the size, they're also 16 MP. It's very odd but it looks like this could be possible because of a customized sensor.
I'm not sure how it works really, but my theory goes down the drain :/

I agree, it is irritating. Likewise there is no indication on the video side of things what frame-rates everything is recorded in, having a choice between 1080p30 and 1080p60 would be good, as well as 720p30/60/120.
I find myself using the native app for random quick pictures and then using FV-5 for more indepth photography...

nadram said:
Hi everyone,
While I'm waiting for my phone to reach me, I have a recommendation and suggestion.
I believe changing the aspect ratio itself will adjust the resolution.
As with my previous phones, I think the 4:3 ratio would be the full, native, 16 MP resolution, or a photo size of 4608 x 3456 (multiply 4608 by 3456, you get 15.9 million pixels, or 16 MP)
A middle resolution would be the 16:9 ratio
The lower resolution would be the 1:1 ratio
Please, if someone could take a photo with the last 2 ratios, and let us know the photo dimensions, then we can figure out the resolution
Update:
Well... it seems I may have been wrong.
I found some 16:9 photos on this forum, and judging by the size, they're also 16 MP. It's very odd but it looks like this could be possible because of a customized sensor.
I'm not sure how it works really, but my theory goes down the drain :/
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I have tried it
the 16:9 is the full resolution
both 4:3 and 1:1 are cropped images

Salbawardi2 said:
I have tried it
the 16:9 is the full resolution
both 4:3 and 1:1 are cropped images
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Also no choice for RAW unless in manual mode. RAW 16:9 option would be nice for auto along with other resolution choice.

Just to confirm, the default 16:9 ratio gives you the full 16MP.
starfcker69 said:
Also no choice for RAW unless in manual mode. RAW 16:9 option would be nice for auto along with other resolution choice.
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That's true, but you can go into manual mode and not toggle things you want to change, which basically means it's still in auto mode, except you can now get RAW.

just use Google camera

Delirious17 said:
just use Google camera
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Google camera lets you shoot in raw?

no but you can at least change the resolution for your pictures, solution for that for now

Delirious17 said:
no but you can at least change the resolution for your pictures, solution for that for now
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So you buy the G4 only to load Google Camera with its crappy processing?

Facebook app

Recently got this tab for the high resolution screen but have been disappointed by the Facebook app the pictures are pixelated and videos any way to load them higher resolution ???

bilalrashid said:
Recently got this tab for the high resolution screen but have been disappointed by the Facebook app the pictures are pixelated and videos any way to load them higher resolution ???
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The Facebook app is actually designed for phones. They haven't created a tablet style version of the app yet, so you're better of viewing things in portrait mode on Facebook or try and use the website rather than the app.
Pictures are automatically compressed and loose quality when they've been uploaded to Facebook so that maybe a factor although it pretty much comes down to what the other user (who you're viewing the media from) is using to take pictures or video's and how they're uploading them. It looks perfectly fine on my Tab S.
Just because your screen is a resolution of 2560 x 1600 this doesn't mean that when a person takes a 1920 x 1080 video it will look any better than on a 2560 x 1600 screen. It should actually look a bit worse as it's 2x the pixels of 1920 x 1080 and thus your tablet is having to use 4 pixels for every one pixel that would be used on 1920 x 1080 native screen. This makes images look slightly more blocky when they're not the native resolution of the screen, though this problem is harder to see on a tablet screen due to the size of them. It's hard to describe but I've done my best.
The main area's of advantage you'll get out of a high pixel screen and the AMOLED is from better colour reproductions, clearer UI and better looking webpages/books when reading.
Hope this helps If it does give me a thanks!

And here I thought I was the only one with Facebook video problems. I am glad to know it was not my tablet acting up.

Camera Super Pixel 63.5 MP photos on Lg v10

Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel

good one to share , thank you

anirudhks said:
good one to share , thank you
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Your welcome mate

Tested camera Super Pixel, quite impressive, 43.3 MB, couldnt attach, too large, had to upload to OneDrive :good:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=1ADC5303B8000E17!167484&authkey=!AB8IRnFt2qnChbQ&v=3&ithint=photo%2cjpg
Photo by LG camera attached :good:

Not much different, doesnt have manual setting, take up too much space

vip57 said:
Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel
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I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp

kangi26 said:
I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp
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You cannot change the sensor size, but you can get different number of pixels with the same sensor size, you have 23 Mp phone cameras with same size sensor, or smaller, than others with 12 Mp, like the last Samsung and Huawei, etc...
Having said that, you dont get more info, just 4x more pixels extrapolated from the original. The photos do look sharper, as I confirmed with my tests, but when I resize them to same size, they look the same, and the files are so large they wont load to apps, or be resized like on facebook and look the same again
Bottom line, only worth if we want to make a large print or display in a large hi-rez screen

melorib said:
You cannot change the sensor size, but you can get different number of pixels with the same sensor size, you have 23 Mp phone cameras with same size sensor, or smaller, than others with 12 Mp, like the last Samsung and Huawei, etc...
Having said that, you dont get more info, just 4x more pixels extrapolated from the original. The photos do look sharper, as I confirmed with my tests, but when I resize them to same size, they look the same, and the files are so large they wont load to apps, or be resized like on facebook and look the same again
Bottom line, only worth if we want to make a large print or display in a large hi-rez screen
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The point I was trying to make (although maybe not all that well), is that you CAN increase the size of the picture, you can make it 100000x160000 and have a picture at 16GP, but if the sensor is only capable of capturing 16MP, you're going to have a pixilated image. Even with some very fancy software work.
With the actual resolution the V10 is capable of taking photos, they can be printed out to large format or displayed on any large monitor without ANY issues at all. (I have a 12mp DSLR and have printed photos up to 4ft wide with EASE)
I guess I'm just calling BS on what is really being accomplished and the expectations that are being set that the app is going to "Get your 16mp camera shoot a 63mp photo"

kangi26 said:
I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp
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You are right. This superpixel camera gives a fake better image. I taken the same image in the same condition with the original V10 H961N camera and with the supercamera, analysed both in paintshop after magnifying and the details in supercamera are very dissapointing. Uninstalled without regrets.

My Sony NEX6 camera has a much larger sensor than the V10, but the same 16 Mp resolution...
I am not saying this app will have 4 times more detail, but dividing every pixel in 4 blended with the pixels around, if properly done, will increase sharpness, as I confirmed with my tests.
Having said that, I will not use it, not worth what we loose on features

The results are real, the app is using a well known photoshop technique but in-app.
Olympus is also using it to up their resolution on their e-m5mII camera.
more info:
http://petapixel.com/2015/02/21/a-practical-guide-to-creating-superresolution-photos-with-photoshop/

I recommend having a look at cortexcamera. It uses a similar "trick", but increases the size by only 50%. The result is a stunning 24 MP photo with almost no visible noise and lots of details with no adverse affects from noise reduction. There are a number of limitations though that are basically inherent in the technic. It's best used for rather static scenes and between shots the phone needs a couple of seconds to calculate the resulting image (combined from up to 100 single frames). That being said especially for night or landscape shots I find the results impressive.

Using the Super Resolution Method does not add any more details. Of course it is limited by the sensor. But by doing this, noise is greatly reduced and artifacts like Moire get removed since the program averages the images. This method is done by professional photographers if they want to enhance images when using a mid range shooter.
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kangi26 said:
The point I was trying to make (although maybe not all that well), is that you CAN increase the size of the picture, you can make it 100000x160000 and have a picture at 16GP, but if the sensor is only capable of capturing 16MP, you're going to have a pixilated image. Even with some very fancy software work.
With the actual resolution the V10 is capable of taking photos, they can be printed out to large format or displayed on any large monitor without ANY issues at all. (I have a 12mp DSLR and have printed photos up to 4ft wide with EASE)
I guess I'm just calling BS on what is really being accomplished and the expectations that are being set that the app is going to "Get your 16mp camera shoot a 63mp photo"
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There are certain benefits upon doing this 4x Spatial Reso Increase. The details don't bump up so much but noise gets significantly reduced and edges become much more detailed rather than edgy. Still its an improvement than nothing. Tho the hype should be re calibrated.

Nukhem said:
The results are real, the app is using a well known photoshop technique but in-app.
Olympus is also using it to up their resolution on their e-m5mII camera.
more info:
http://petapixel.com/2015/02/21/a-practical-guide-to-creating-superresolution-photos-with-photoshop/
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Exactly this. I was just about to mention the OM-D E-M5 MII. This camera has a 16MP sensor but has a 40MP high-res shooting mode which combines eight exposures into a single image which is how it can manage to get such a high pixel count out of a sensor that's only natively capable of 16MP. You and your subject would need to be completely still though as any movement can create blurs and jagged lines but the results are real, there is a noticeable difference if you look closely.
But that's if you look closely. Having a high pixel counts doesn't mean much unless you need extremely large prints and even then, have you guys seen the huge billboards from Apple saying that the picture was taken with an iPhone 6 or 6S? That's a 8MP and 12MP sensor respectively. Of course, they probably edited the pictures like there's no tomorrow but then if you were going for such huge prints, you probably wouldn't be printing directly from the in camera RAW or JPEG file.
As a hobbyist photographer, I would say learn the manual settings in the built-in camera app. It's more than enough to squeeze the best possible pictures you can get out of the V10's camera. Then go out and buy yourself a MILC or DSLR (but MILC is probably the smarter choice).

thanks for posting this app
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vip57 said:
Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel
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Don't lile it
Image processing is way better in stock lg cam app

Yeah pixel count does not matter much. 16mp is plenty for most pics. Unless the program managed to use the ois in here to emulate what the Olympus OMD EM5 Mark II does I dont see how it would get a actual useable larger pixel count without the possiblity of introducing digitial artifacts in the image. And even then unless you were shooting non moving subjects in a studio environment you would get that ghosting effect in the pics. Id rather just take regular shots in Raw and post process if I need to work the pics some more. On a side note, the 5 axis OIS on the Olympus is very Nice. I agree with a previous poster about learning what the manual controls do. Then get a nice camera if you are serious about taking better shots.

Question Aspect Ratio of Display vs Camera

I switched from a OnePlus 9 Pro to a P6P and the one thing i've noticed that really bothers me(just OCD) is that the camera aspect ratio does not match the display. I end up with the large black bars on either side of the picture, even when taken at 16:9. My OP9P matches and filled the screen completely which was beautiful. Am I the only one that this bothers and is there some way around this that I don't know of? Or is anyone just able to make me feel better about it overall? Yes, just like a support group!
I still have my OP9P and have time to return my P6P yet should I end up going that route. This is probably the only reason.

I know there's an option in the settings for aspect ratio but I haven't paid attention to the details. I know I had initially changed it from the defaults but when I factory reset and rooted I've kept the default for the aspect ratio and I don't remember noticing anything odd about it.

Simply said, just look at the aspect ratio's:
Screen ratio: 19.5 x 9
Image ratio: 16 x 9 (or 4 x 3)
So you can see that you need black bars top/bottom (portrait mode) to 'fill' the space between 16 and 19.5.
It's not totally 'accurate' as theoretically you might have non-square pixels, but anyway.
4:3 aspect ratio in the camera will be even worse 4:3 => 12:9 so needs to 'fill' space between 12 and 19.5 with bars.
Nothing you can do about it.
I came from a OnePlus phone as well ... initially was also slightly frustrated by that. The full screen images on the OnePlus indeed look nice.
Would I return the phone just for that ... hmm ... no ... the recent (and future) direction of OnePlus' software frustrates me more than the 2 black bars on the P6P photos display.
Up to you of course ;-)

foobar66 said:
Simply said, just look at the aspect ratio's:
Screen ratio: 19.5 x 9
Image ratio: 16 x 9 (or 4 x 3)
So you can see that you need black bars top/bottom (portrait mode) to 'fill' the space between 16 and 19.5.
It's not totally 'accurate' as theoretically you might have non-square pixels, but anyway.
4:3 aspect ratio in the camera will be even worse 4:3 => 12:9 so needs to 'fill' space between 12 and 19.5 with bars.
Nothing you can do about it.
I came from a OnePlus phone as well ... initially was also slightly frustrated by that. The full screen images on the OnePlus indeed look nice.
Would I return the phone just for that ... hmm ... no ... the recent (and future) direction of OnePlus' software frustrates me more than the 2 black bars on the P6P photos display.
Up to you of course ;-)
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No, I understand all that. Just trying to convince myself it's not a problem. Haha.

awarman said:
I switched from a OnePlus 9 Pro to a P6P and the one thing i've noticed that really bothers me(just OCD) is that the camera aspect ratio does not match the display. I end up with the large black bars on either side of the picture, even when taken at 16:9. My OP9P matches and filled the screen completely which was beautiful. Am I the only one that this bothers and is there some way around this that I don't know of? Or is anyone just able to make me feel better about it overall? Yes, just like a support group!
I still have my OP9P and have time to return my P6P yet should I end up going that route. This is probably the only reason.
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ALL Camera sensors are 4:3 ratio. No exceptions. Whatever shows up on your screen that looks like another aspect ratio is obtained through cropping. If it doesn't match your screen, pick a different camera resolution (ratio) that does. The display on P6P is 19.5:9 ratio, so find a camera resolution that matches.

96carboard said:
ALL Camera sensors are 4:3 ratio. No exceptions. Whatever shows up on your screen that looks like another aspect ratio is obtained through cropping. If it doesn't match your screen, pick a different camera resolution (ratio) that does. The display on P6P is 19.5:9 ratio, so find a camera resolution that matches.
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I don't think there is a way to match the resolution with the display ratio on it though. I'm betting it's going to take a 3rd party camera app or gcam to do it?