Hi,
I'd like to have your opinion about how to preserve the health of our One X Battery in the long run... I've done some full charge/full discharge cycles to properly initialize the battery but now I'd like to understand what is the better way of charging this Li-Poly battery... I've read on the web that Li-Poly batteries are "happier" to be charged when not at 0% (i.e. around 10%) and also it is better not to fully charge them (this seems quite strange to me) to preserve their capacity (but you do not use the full capacity if you disconnect them at 95%, for example...).. Is there any "official" or at least scientific "How To Preserve Your Battery" guide that addresses Li-Poly batteries?
Second question: do you think it is better to charge via USB rather than via Power-line, since it is a slower charge (~5 hours VS ~3.5 hours)?
I believe that because, like most modern phones, the battery has a charge timer and a circuit to prevent overcharge, it doesn't matter too much much about the speed of charging. Everything i've looked at about Li-Poly cell batteries instist on an even charge across cells, which i'm sure HTC have ensured.
Apart from that the usual would apply, avoid leaving it plugged in for long length of time (i.e. over night) as trickle charging can damage most types of batteries ensure you discharge it fully now and again, i'd avoid going to 0% from what you've heard but no mobile phone actually fully discharges the battery (hence you can still switch it on after it has died).
I know the HTC one has an internal battery, but like any other battery if you look after it it should last at least 2 years loosing only a small portion of battery life.
If i find any decent guides i'll post them here.
I notice the "tips" to use it to charge it to 95% MAX, and use it to no less than 5%. Are these claims true? I have no problems of re-charging it before the 5% mark, but to constantly keeping an eye on the phone while charging it can be tedious and annoying.
Anybody can shed some light my way regarding this subject?
Thank you!
Well, your anker lipo would feel better (and any other lithium polymer battery for that sake) if you would not do full cycle every time. Full cycle means you goes from full to empty charge/discharge. (95 down to 5% counts almost as a full cycle)
Say chemistry in lipo can make 200 full cycles before 20% capacity lost or 500 half cycles (like from 100 to 50% and then recharge to 100%). See the difference, longevity will be bit better with half-cycles.
If you store lipo for prolonged period of time (like month) then don't charge it to 100% but to 50%.
And don't keep your phone in high temp zones (like in a sun in the car) this will kill lipo in no time.
Other then that just enjoy your anker. It's cheap enough to replace it in 500 half-cycles (which might be translated to couple years)
Thanks for the response! From the way you describe it, it sounds very familiar with how my lipo batteries for my rc cars work.
I usually charge my phone at 30% mark to fully charge. So, given that, it'd be ok for me to charge it overnight (to 100% then trickle charge until morning), and let it discharge to 30 - 40% then recharge.
Phone will stop charging lipo when it reaches 4.2V so there is no problem to over-charge it... keep it on a charger overnight.
I do one full cycle about once in month but this is for different reason.
Usually, I can go from 100% at morning to 40% at evening in two days. Then recharge it overnight. I think my Anker 2200mAh will outlast my SGSII.
So I have a zerolemon 10000 mah battery for my note 3, I just switched to cm11 and noticed the battery percentage meter was going wacky and wasn't being accurate (eg. It would jump up 10 percent after a reboot or last hours on 1 percent with heavy use) so I followed the instructions for fixing it, I let it drain completely and then I charged it to 100 percent while the phone was off, then I turned it on and charged it again until it showed full just like it said to do in the instructions, after this I went into my battery status app just out of curiosity, there I saw that the battery had 4250 mv , I am alarmed by this because the battery is only supposed to be 3.9 voltz, is my battery damaged? I always thought that the batteries have circuits in them to prevent overcharge then how come it overcharged my battery??
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Actually battery voltage is a little bit tricky:
first of all it will show higher with no load than with load on it and higher the load, lower the voltage, full charge or not.
Secondly for example my original phone battery is rated 3.8v, but at full charge will be higher than 4 volts.
I don't remember how Li ion batteries are rated, but for example NiCd are rated at 1.2v, which would be the voltage the battery shows when under full load, under no load the voltage will be more than 1.5v and if that NiCd battery shows 1.2 v under no load it usually means it's close to being completely discharged. I don't have specs for your particular battery, but I'm sure fully charged with no load will show more than 4v.
Since the battery has protective circuit, it should still be within specs, before the damage occurs, so I don't think you should worry too much, however if you were doing this all the time, I'm sure you will shorten battery life.
Full charge for lipo is about 4.2V. So the battery is not overcharged. The batteries have a protective board on them, and the charge control on the phone won't allow overcharging either.
I purchased my 5t about 4 weeks ago and the stats in AccuBattery are now showing my capacity at 2930 mah and the health at 89%. If accurate, these are somewhat concerning considering how new the phone is. Anyone else seeing similar stats? I ran AccuBattery on my Nexus 6p and it always seems pretty accurate.
That's the same capacity I get on my phone with AccuBattery. Other people on the OnePlus forums also had the same results so I think that it is probably normal.
I don't trust that application any more (even if I bought it 2 days ago). So i purchased my phone 4 days ago and after the second charge it says 89%.... Many battery applications are useless on the Play Store.
It is a little wonky on certain phones sometimes. Have you done several charge and discharge cycles? I know it definitely won't be too accurate until you run it a few times. Since you said you used it on your 6P though, I'm guessing you know this already. As long as battery life is still good, I guess I wouldn't worry too much.
I run Accubattery on my mine, it says 92% after a couple of weeks. Battery lasts for a full day of heavy use, and then some.
I also ran it on my 2 year old Moto X Style, and it said 51% - and I felt it was telling the truth, since I got about 2hrs SOT from it if i was lucky!
Same for me, showing about ~3000 mAh from the beginning.
It's also showing ~107% on a Nokia 3 of a friend of mine, so I guess you just can't trust the app on that perspective.
lol, guys
ok now, several factors to consider before you jump to conclusions (ive been using accubattery for several months now with great results):
1) your sample size is waaay too small. every scientist/engineer/mathematician, etc out there will tell you that u cant jump to a conclusion based on just two samples. give it some time, use the app regularly for several weeks and only THEN can you make assumptions about the accuracy of the collected data.
2) ive noticed that the final capacity reading is more accurate, the closer a charge cycle is to 100%. which makes sense if you think about current quick charging technologies: they provide high amperage at steady voltage at first up to like 75-85%, then they switch more and more to trickle charge with low amperage. advantages: fill up the battery quickly, but without putting too much wear onto it.
thus: if you just do a quick charge cycle, say from 30-50% then the slope steepness is way higher, thus the calculated capacity will differ. so there is a dilemma: either do large charging cycles with higher wear on the battery, but more accurate capacity data in the end, or do smaller charging cycles with inaccurate data but less wear on the battery.
3) when charging to 100%, dont unplug the phone when it reads 100%! rather check the current charging amperage in accubattery. only when that drops to zero (or -1 mA in my case) is the battery fully charged and ull get a more accurate capacity reading than when stopping the charge when 100% is reached. if you unplug it too early, the capacity calculation will be on the low side
hope this helps!
cheers
jbmc83 said:
your sample size is waaay too small. every scientist/engineer/mathematician, etc out there will tell you that u cant jump to a conclusion based on just two samples.
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Yup, am scientist, can confirm
Same thing happened to me, even after using AccuBattery for a couple of weeks (and thus collecting more than a couple of samples, both Dash charge and "normal") it still showed 89% battery health at around 2940 mAh. Got my phone one month ago.
I don't think there's any problem with the battery itself, especially as it's not just me having this problem.
Maybe the battery is 3000mah and they are lying about it ???
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Same thing happened to me, even after using AccuBattery for a couple of weeks (and thus collecting more than a couple of samples, both Dash charge and "normal") it still showed 89% battery health at around 2940 mAh. Got my phone one month ago.
I don't think there's any problem with the battery itself, especially as it's not just me having this problem.
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what kind of charging cycles did u have? the range i mean...
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what kind of charging cycles did u have? the range i mean...
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I'd say 30% of the times 10 to 100%
40% of the times 30/40 to 100%
And the rest just random stuff: 50 to 100, some top ups here and there
This is not scientific data though, that's just what I recall from the couple of weeks I used AccuBattery. I'll try to find a screenshot but I doubt I have any.
I reinstalled it today and from a single 14 to 80% charge it gave me ~2930 mAh and 89% health. I'm on OOS 5.0.2 stable, will try the app for some time and share my results (more scientific this time)
After several weeks of use, the reading is still constant at 86% ~ 2827mAh. Not sure what to think. As previously mentioned the first 5t I purchased and returned for the 128gb version came in at 89% same as @Explyy. Is it possible I have an inferior battery?
hm, there indeed seems to be a pattern emerging with so many different users reporting identical capacity values at 2900-3000 mAh for their new op 5t. two possibilities: either accubattery cannot properly read out and analyze the 5t's battery charge controller. or the battery capacity is indeed around 2900-3000 mAh instead of the advertized 3300. its normal for battery capacities to be around -100 mAh from the official value, but -300 to -400 would be crazy.
guys, just to be sure: did you leave your phones plugged in until the charging rate in accubattery dropped to 0 mA? as i said before, if you unplug the phone once it shows 100% but still charging, the resulting capacity will be less than the actual one.
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jbmc83 said:
hm, there indeed seems to be a pattern emerging with so many different users reporting identical capacity values at 2900-3000 mAh for their new op 5t. two possibilities: either accubattery cannot properly read out and analyze the 5t's battery charge controller. or the battery capacity is indeed around 2900-3000 mAh instead of the advertized 3300. its normal for battery capacities to be around -100 mAh from the official value, but -300 to -400 would be crazy.
guys, just to be sure: did you leave your phones plugged in until the charging rate in accubattery dropped to 0 mA? as i said before, if you unplug the phone once it shows 100% but still charging, the resulting capacity will be less than the actual one.
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Yes, I left the phone plugged until the charging current dropped to 0, as I noticed that when it reaches 100 it's still charging at a few mA
On a related note I charged my battery from 10% to 100%, until the mA rate dropped to 0mA. I had the phone hooked up to a USB power meter during this time. The USB meter only read about 2500mAh charged. So since I only charged 90% of the battery I figured it should be around 90% the capacity of the battery, which is 2,970mAh. If I assume the battery is 3000mAh then a 90% charge would be around 2700mAh, closer to my reading. I'm going to run some more charge cycles and see if I get the same results.
Edit: forgot to say that I used a standard 2amp charger, not the dash charger that came with the phone.
yerger said:
On a related note I charged my battery from 10% to 100%, until the mA rate dropped to 0mA. I had the phone hooked up to a USB power meter during this time. The USB meter only read about 2500mAh charged. So since I only charged 90% of the battery I figured it should be around 90% the capacity of the battery, which is 2,970mAh. If I assume the battery is 3000mAh then a 90% charge would be around 2700mAh, closer to my reading. I'm going to run some more charge cycles and see if I get the same results.
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Did you use the dash adapter or just a regular one?
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Yes, I left the phone plugged until the charging current dropped to 0, as I noticed that when it reaches 100 it's still charging at a few mA
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and still no difference in the calculated capacity in that particular cycle?
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and still no difference in the calculated capacity in that particular cycle?
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As far as I remember no, always reading ~2950mAh
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Did you use the dash adapter or just a regular one?
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Someone who's having accubattery report ~3000 mah should download AIDA64 and look and see what it reports the battery size to be......
Got the phone in december. Never had 5k mAh. From the day one it was about 4.6k mAh. Measured with AccuBattery app, and by measuring charge time. Both not 100% accurate, but supports each other.
Charger output is 1.5A, so it should charge from 0 to 100% in no less than 3hr 20m, but givven that charging slow down above 80% or so, it should be even slower. I don't remember exact charge time of mine phone, but it's somwhere around 2h 50m.
Althogh it still covers all my needs, it's still a little bit dissapointing.
What is your phone real battery capacity?
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If you don't mind using a custom rom, you can try any custom & get rapidly charge (even with the stock charger). I'm using latest aex 6.5 it has cherry kernel out of the box since the maintainer is the same (aex & cherry kernel). Check the attached pic.
No,the capacity of the battery is 5K
Your doubt is valid that 1.5A of charging should charge in so and so amount of time,but the charging speed even on stock rom soars to about 1.8A depending on device temperature. This is the reason why the phone charges well within the time calculated by you
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No,the capacity of the battery is 5K
Your doubt is valid that 1.5A of charging should charge in so and so amount of time,but the charging speed even on stock rom soars to about 1.8A depending on device temperature. This is the reason why the phone charges well within the time calculated by you
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Even if my charging time versus 1.5Amp statement is unrelaible, then the ampermeter in the phone is also shows wrong info. Because AccuBattery calculates capacity based on charging current Ampers * charging time. So, if internal ampermetter is lying, your could lie about 1.8Amp too.