LG V30 uses vibration feedback/actuator similar to iPhone

LG V30 uses vibration feedback/actuator similar to iPhone - LG V30 Guides, News, & Discussion

Immersion explains how ‘TouchSense’ will bring iPhone-esque haptic feedback to the LG V30
My colleague Stephen Hall has been extremely vocal about the fact that vibration motors in Android smartphones are pretty terrible. Most have limited control over intensity and length, and in most cases, the OS itself just doesn’t do anything with it. Now, it seems LG is giving this area a bit more attention in its upcoming LG V30, and Immersion, the company behind the phone’s vibration motor technology, has given us some examples of how…
Immersion announced this week that it has partnered with LG to bring its HD TouchSense technology to the LG V30. The company’s TouchSense is similar to that of the iPhone’s Taptic Engine, which, for those who don’t know, has been around since the introduction of the iPhone 6S family in 2015. The similarities are strong enough, in fact, that Immersion previously filed a lawsuit against Apple for its Taptic technology.
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https://9to5google.com/2017/08/13/lg-v30-haptic-feedback-immersion/
Further reading:
https://www.immersion.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/haptics-in-touch-screen-hand-held-devices.pdf "Haptics in Touch Screen HandHeld Devices"
Wasn't aware of this fact - interesting,
got attracted by the compilation failures and issues that specific driver caused
Had to disable it for now

Too bad you have to disable it. Has gotten the V30 GREAT reviews.
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/3/29/17175466/android-haptic-feedback-is-bad-why

ChazzMatt said:
Too bad you have to disable it. Has gotten the V30 GREAT reviews.
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/3/29/17175466/android-haptic-feedback-is-bad-why
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It was in an early testing kernel with 7.3 toolchain and advanced tweaks,
for now - with baby steps - it can be left on.
I believe I found the core issue or at least connected drivers & headers to it,
that means it shouldn't be an issue anymore.
Also there's enhanced haptics with e.g. sultanxda's changes

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DO NOT buy the ASUS Vivo Tab RT

Oh my, what a horrible experience I have been having.
So I paid $650 for the Asus Vivo Tab RT with tax over the Surface mostly because of the dock, which ASUS is "claiming" to send out for free.
1. Claiming the free dock online has been impossible, the serial number would not register on their site for a whole week, emailing and calling them did nothing, said they were having server issues which makes no sense. Pretty much think they are making it super hard so they don't have to send it out. Was finally able to register, and I can't select it on the page for claiming the dock.
2. The microsd slot has a fake plastic piece from factory, and on mine, it is stuck in there and pushing on the spring to bring it out does nothing. Have to do a warranty claim so that they can fix it. Been two weeks since I got it.
3. The service is just horrible. Today I called and after talking for 1 minute (was on hold for 15 minutes), the guy hung up on me. Their call center is not in America, and talking to them is so painful, it really hurts.
4. The storage out of the 32gb is horrendous. After updating windows and Office, which has a BIG update, it has less than 11gb left, without any new apps installed.
5. The camera app does not recognize the flash, so the led on the back is useless. The camera also can only do 4:3 aspect ratio at 8.1MP, only does 16:9 at 6MP. Camera quality is not very good.
6. Tablet seems pretty slow, apps take a while to load sometimes.
SO, I would highly recommend getting the surface over this. If you have these types of problems, I think a lot of people have a Microsoft store near them, and I am sure the warranty service would be much better. I think the build quality is better too.

shahran said:
Oh my, what a horrible experience I have been having.
So I paid $650 for the Asus Vivo Tab RT with tax over the Surface mostly because of the dock, which ASUS is "claiming" to send out for free.
1. Claiming the free dock online has been impossible, the serial number would not register on their site for a whole week, emailing and calling them did nothing, said they were having server issues which makes no sense. Pretty much think they are making it super hard so they don't have to send it out. Was finally able to register, and I can't select it on the page for claiming the dock.
2. The microsd slot has a fake plastic piece from factory, and on mine, it is stuck in there and pushing on the spring to bring it out does nothing. Have to do a warranty claim so that they can fix it. Been two weeks since I got it.
3. The service is just horrible. Today I called and after talking for 1 minute (was on hold for 15 minutes), the guy hung up on me. Their call center is not in America, and talking to them is so painful, it really hurts.
4. The storage out of the 32gb is horrendous. After updating windows and Office, which has a BIG update, it has less than 11gb left, without any new apps installed.
5. The camera app does not recognize the flash, so the led on the back is useless. The camera also can only do 4:3 aspect ratio at 8.1MP, only does 16:9 at 6MP. Camera quality is not very good.
6. Tablet seems pretty slow, apps take a while to load sometimes.
SO, I would highly recommend getting the surface over this. If you have these types of problems, I think a lot of people have a Microsoft store near them, and I am sure the warranty service would be much better. I think the build quality is better too.
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The Surface weighs more and has a pretty terrible camera.

Valerianus said:
The Surface weighs more and has a pretty terrible camera.
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True, but it has a built in stand, + better build quality. I guess both their camera's suck.

I'm currently using vivo tab and I think the bugs and sluggish moments are more a cause of windows rt rather then Vivo tab. I had no issues submitting for the free dock. As for the camera I have rarely used a camera on any tablet so it doesn't bother me.

I to own a vivo tab, I got it by exchanging a transformer infinity, and I can say I am pretty happy with it, I was able to submit for a free dock (which they havn't shipped yet), I love the keyboard on it, much better then the surface one ripping, the speed is nice the quad speakers are really nice (please come out with vlc for this it screams for it) over all I have been pretty happy with mine.

I don't know. After the horrible experience I had with a Asus Prime and Infinity, both returned within a week, I would never buy another Asus Tablet - They just don't know what they are doing when it comes to Tablets and their QC is horrible
The more I use my Surface, the more I understand MS' plan. It may not be the fastest quad core, and camera sucks, but they chose stability over flashy specs. What it can do it does very well. I have not had one crash which was a constant thing on the Asus tablets.
As far as the display - It looks great to my eyes even if the resolution specs are not high - There is something to be said about the contrast ration and the bonded screen.
As far as camera - I haven't even fired it up yet, but can see it being useful for teleconferencing but that's it. I wouldn't want to wave a 10" tablet around to take a still picture of my kid like others do, but that's just me.
Considering the Surface has only been out 2 weeks, I am very impressed with its stability and limited bug fixes that need to occur from a firmware standpoint. With the Asus tablets it seems like I was always hoping the next firmware update would solve major issues and they never came.

Still not able to submit my dock claim online, their support has yet to help. Frustrating.

guitar1969 said:
The more I use my Surface, the more I understand MS' plan. It may not be the fastest quad core, and camera sucks, but they chose stability over flashy specs. What it can do it does very well. I have not had one crash which was a constant thing on the Asus tablets.
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With both Surface and Windows Phone, MS seems to prefer highly optimizing for an older ("tried and true") chipset over adopting the bleeding edge.
That makes sense vs. Android (which often has the latest hardware, but to little benefit), but Apple is able to push hardware boundaries (iPad 4's A6X demolishes every other ARM phone/tablet in CPU + GPU performance) while maintaining stability.
So it's nice that MS is able to get solid performance out of older hardware, but consumers don't see any benefit from that (it's not like Surface or WP7/8 devices are notably cheaper than Apple's offerings, or get any better battery life, etc.), and one wonders what'd be possible if WP8 or Surface had something more powerful (like the S4 Pro).
In the case of Surface RT, one factor that might've influenced MS' design choice (and Asus' for the Vivo Tab RT) is that only Nvidia has been shipping out quad-core ARM chips in volume for the last 6 months. Qualcomm only recently started ramping up the S4 Pro quad-core production, so that probably presented a riskier bet.
Though admittedly, Apple's been doing this a while, and they control much, much more of the supply chain than Microsoft does, so they can probably afford to be more aggressive on the hardware front.

Yeah, I also have a Vivo Tab & I have no issues with speed or responsiveness. I have numerous devices, all upper tier & my Vivo is just as fast if not more so than any of the others.
As for the LED flash, I talked to a buddy (won't mention where he works) & discovered that the camera driver is BETA. It is in the developmental stage, ALPHA really, so it does not work for the majority of people. I don't mind that so much, I have always been an early adopter & aside from the flash issue, my Vivo works fantastically. Of course I think they should inform consumers of issues like this so you don't think it is a P.O.S. that came broken out of the box. Ideally however, I don't think it is a great idea to release unfinished products onto the public to be used as beta testers, but now you know why the dock was free.
At any rate, I got mine for 499.00 due to a price match here in Texas, so I am good & overall pretty happy with the Vivo.

amb9800 said:
With both Surface and Windows Phone, MS seems to prefer highly optimizing for an older ("tried and true") chipset over adopting the bleeding edge.
That makes sense vs. Android (which often has the latest hardware, but to little benefit), but Apple is able to push hardware boundaries (iPad 4's A6X demolishes every other ARM phone/tablet in CPU + GPU performance) while maintaining stability.
So it's nice that MS is able to get solid performance out of older hardware, but consumers don't see any benefit from that (it's not like Surface or WP7/8 devices are notably cheaper than Apple's offerings, or get any better battery life, etc.), and one wonders what'd be possible if WP8 or Surface had something more powerful (like the S4 Pro).
In the case of Surface RT, one factor that might've influenced MS' design choice (and Asus' for the Vivo Tab RT) is that only Nvidia has been shipping out quad-core ARM chips in volume for the last 6 months. Qualcomm only recently started ramping up the S4 Pro quad-core production, so that probably presented a riskier bet.
Though admittedly, Apple's been doing this a while, and they control much, much more of the supply chain than Microsoft does, so they can probably afford to be more aggressive on the hardware front.
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I am not sure I agree about Apple up until recently but I have not followed Apple on the Ipad. Now that they are in the 4th generation of their Ipad and control the market, that may be the case that they are using the most advanced, but when they first introduced Ipads and earlier generations, they were not very cutting edge with processing power. It seems like they are now doing this because they have to show some technology jump every year to get consumers to buy the new model.
but we also know MS chose to limit the processing of the Surface so they could release a Surface pro as well.

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I am not sure I agree about Apple up until recently but I have not followed Apple on the Ipad. Now that they are in the 4th generation of their Ipad and control the market, that may be the case that they are using the most advanced, but when they first introduced Ipads and earlier generations, they were not very cutting edge with processing power. It seems like they are now doing this because they have to show some technology jump every year to get consumers to buy the new model.
but we also know MS chose to limit the processing of the Surface so they could release a Surface pro as well.
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Except that the Surface and Surface Pro run completely different processor types. MS could have thrown a quad core S4 in the surface and the Pro would still blow it away with a Core i5.

jivy26 said:
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How did you do that?
I went to http://event.asus.com/Vivotab/Mobile_Dock/
but I'm stuck at the 3rd step: I can't see a "Mobile Dock Apply & Inquire" anywhere.

quick question for anyone that has the Vivo RT... does your windows logo light up?

apatcas said:
quick question for anyone that has the Vivo RT... does your windows logo light up?
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Nope.
I was able to apply for the keyboard dock without any trouble as well. vip.asus.com and register the tablet. I love this think in my truck on a ram mount with a bluetooth keyboard. I can open my excel sheets for work without any problem and the netflix app is a million times better than the horrible android app.
Flash playback is also a million times better than android. It has built in support for smb shares and dlna servers. IE10 flies compared to chrome on my n7.
Sorry you're not enjoying your Vivo...

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quick question for anyone that has the Vivo RT... does your windows logo light up?
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I see it light up when I play in the store yesterday.

I just really think the warranty service is horrid, still have not been able to register and it doesn't seem like they will do anything at all, blows my mind.
The windows logo at the bottom does not light up for me.

The only thing a couple of things I agree with:
The sdhc micro slot you have to be very careful, it's spring loaded and if you push it to hard, it will get stuck. I managed to get mine out.
The space that it takes. It takes a lot for RT and for office. But it is the same with Surface.
Other than that, I had the Prime and the Infinity and this thing it's way way better than those tablets. If you are a business user and you use office programs, trust me you will love this tablet.
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Geegeeoh said:
How did you do that?
I went to http://event.asus.com/Vivotab/Mobile_Dock/
but I'm stuck at the 3rd step: I can't see a "Mobile Dock Apply & Inquire" anywhere.
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While not that obvious, are you outside of US/CA? The mobile dock claim is apparently online available in USA and Canada which they seem to "forget" writing on the event page. -sigh-

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While not that obvious, are you outside of US/CA? The mobile dock claim is apparently online available in USA and Canada which they seem to "forget" writing on the event page. -sigh-
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Italy, but they publicized that here too.
Not just over the internet but also on newspapers.

Did anyone get their dock yet? I applied for it 10 days ago and see no change. Also curious really if the windows logo does light up for anyone

Concerns from a buyer...in 2017!

Hi. I've complained and emailed Motorola at least two times after the disaster of my old Moto G4 (water damage) and have voiced out how can they improve things. Now, with planning on buying a G5 Plus I have three main concerns:
1. Having no compass or magnetometer means location services apps like Google Maps (which I use on a daily basis for walking navigation due to the nature of my work and during holiday looking for a nearby restaurant or a place of interest) may function and perform slower than a device with compass. True?
2. Advanced nano coating - I'm worried that when i use my phone in light rain or an accidental drop in the sink might damage the internals when water enter small holes such as mic, speakers, USB port and grooves in-between buttons. So, is it safe or not?
3. Updates - We all know when Lenovo took over Moto updates have been very slow with the current G5 lineup still stuck with 7.0. I'm not into rooting so I depend highly on updates straight from the OEM. But with a near-stock and seemingly optimised software is this a cause for concern? Or better to stick it out with Samsung or Sony which does faster updates?
Some minor concerns are:
1. G5 Plus speakers sound a bit tinnier than last year's model?
2. Camera seem bland and has no image stabilisation apart from a pseudo-EIS at 1080p 30fps but still better than last year?
3. Storage is UFS type or eMMC 5.1?

You sound like you are expecting a flagship level performance from a midranger.
You should be looking for a Samsung Galaxy S8 Plus.
Yes, gps should be a bit finicky for walking navigation for initial navigation, once you start walking it should be fine.
No, it's not gonna be safe for dropping in the sink.
Not even Galaxy S8 or LG G6 got any updates beyond 7.0. For a budget phone don't expect security update every month. I would expect a security update like every 3/4 months. And It's probably gonna jump to Android 8.0 directly at the beginning of next year. Assumption is based on the update of my Moto Z play.
You are right about the camera, but unless you purchase a next year's flagship, there is no better camera than this for less than 300$ price tag.

1) Software problems (i.e. slow updates and the like) are all eventually solved with custom roms
2) if you want hardware that the phone doesnt have, you need to pay more for a phone. this is a great mid level phone

Karlinski said:
1) Software problems (i.e. slow updates and the like) are all eventually solved with custom roms
2) if you want hardware that the phone doesnt have, you need to pay more for a phone. this is a great mid level phone
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It's a great mid-level phone that's $200 less than another great mid-level phone, OnePlus 3T !!
And the fingerpad control is life changing (I keep trying to swipe on my Tab S2 tablet's button now!)

I do not think things such as a compass is ONLY found on a high-end device. And things i considered "basic" for a mid-range such as USB Type-C (which has been around for a year now in mainstream devices), blue light filter (again present in Asus tablets since 3 years ago & iPhones as well). And a compass.
And a security update 4 months ago isn't good enough; Google has started to be "strict" in encouraging OEMs to at least patch security vulnerabilities (and maybe some minor bug fixes) every month which again to some is a deal breaker and a very important matter especially nowadays.
I'm not into custom ROMs so I would rather wait for OTA pushed directly by the phone manufacturer.
Saying that I need something more than a 5-inch screen real estate. And one under £250 / $250.

Compass - In the Phone
USB C - Not included for Cost (i'm sure)
blue light filter - Added in SW
Quick Security updates - Added by Custom Roms
If you wait for Moto, you may be waiting a while. There are really a few options..
Buy a nexus
- get the newest updates
- get all the high end features
Use a custom Rom
- get the newest Updates
Don't use nexus or Custom Rom
- Wait for slow manufactures
It's really about as simple as that.

Thanks for the insight.
Would you mind please installing CPU-Z and prove to me the G5 Plus has a compass.
As I have said I am not into rooting or custom ROMs. And besides I might invalidate the warranty of my phone or further damage the software as I still think ROMS are unstable anyway.
So, what you are saying a USB Type-C (a technology which is technically around for over a year now) would be expensive in terms of being incorporated in a device?
Is a blue light filter toggle being baked in the SW difficult to do by a devs?
And would 3GB of memory be enough? Really worried that apps are not kept on memory so apps reload and not load instantly.

Moto G5 Plus has a compass in USA, but not in Europe. Also, yes, 3 GB of RAM is fine. 2 GB is just enough, 3 GB is good, 4 GB is great

Well, that's the trouble right there. One country had slightly altered specs than the other. I wonder what made Motorola-Lenovo decide why us Brits/Europeans don't need a compass in our phones. Stupid really.

Gino76ph said:
Well, that's the trouble right there. One country had slightly altered specs than the other. I wonder what made Motorola-Lenovo decide why us Brits/Europeans don't need a compass in our phones. Stupid really.
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Probably the same ones that decided the US version didn't need NFC. It's almost like they've decided to the penny what they are going to put into the phones and then they clip a coin to see which market gets what.
After the G4 I decided I'd never own another Lenovo product but I did look hard at the G5. Since my G4 is running ok for now, I've decided to hold off and see if the rumor mill holds true about the G5S later this year. I may take another look then.

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Probably the same ones that decided the US version didn't need NFC. It's almost like they've decided to the penny what they are going to put into the phones and then they clip a coin to see which market gets what.
After the G4 I decided I'd never own another Lenovo product but I did look hard at the G5. Since my G4 is running ok for now, I've decided to hold off and see if the rumor mill holds true about the G5S later this year. I may take another look then.
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When I had the G4 it developed some water damage (the worse I did with the phone was i quickly "washed" it with water under the sink but only for 1-2 seconds nothing more) hence I got disappointed. I held off for a new G5 simply because I was just underwhelmed somewhat and also disappointed because Lenovo decided on (what I view strongly as ) cost cutting exercises as I mentioned earlier such as having no compass, no USB Type-C, "advanced" nano coating and not some IP-rated protection, a measly 5MP front cam and no 7.1.1 on release.
I did saw news of an updated G5S phones but they may not come till late this year so I'm back on the drawing board i.e. getting another G4 by the meantime or buy an old flagship like S7 (which can be had for exactly the same price as a UK-spec G5) or an iPhone 6S or a much cheaper/older Nexus 6P. Lost faith in a Sony phone as battery life has been an issue for me since.

After using this phone
I regret not buying Lenovo p2 or lenovo zuk z2
Z2 has 820
It was being offered for $200

suhridkhan said:
You sound like you are expecting a flagship level performance from a midranger.
You should be looking for a Samsung Galaxy S8 Plus.
Yes, gps should be a bit finicky for walking navigation for initial navigation, once you start walking it should be fine.
No, it's not gonna be safe for dropping in the sink.
Not even Galaxy S8 or LG G6 got any updates beyond 7.0. For a budget phone don't expect security update every month. I would expect a security update like every 3/4 months. And It's probably gonna jump to Android 8.0 directly at the beginning of next year. Assumption is based on the update of my Moto Z play.
You are right about the camera, but unless you purchase a next year's flagship, there is no better camera than this for less than 300$ price tag.
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Hey you, expecting something from a company which previously did the same isn't "expecting flagship performance"
The major reason for people to buy Motog is because they have an impression that Moto provides regular updates, but now when things are changing and Lenovo just killing what Moto was known for than its a few more years in which people would know the reality. Why would have I bought Motog if I could have bought Lenovo P2 with the same price, it's having same specs + a 64bit os + an amoled screen + 5100mah battery + compass sensor. It's because of my expectation from Moto to provide me updates and if they don't then moto's uniqueness would be self destroyed and me and I believe many like me would find nothing which would differentiate Moto from other brands.
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So you think a Lenovo P2 is better choice than a Moto G5 Plus phone?

Gino76ph said:
So you think a Lenovo P2 is better choice than a Moto G5 Plus phone?
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Pros in Lenovo P2 but should u really care:
1. 64bit os - all apps that I use are supported by the 32bit Motog, and the performance isnt affected by any means running a 32bit os. Practically it's the same, I have had no issues running the 32bit os on my Moto g since I bought it, if it wasn't for this thread then I wouldn't have even noticed that it has a 32bit os [emoji28]
2. Amoled screen - amoled screen is good for viewing because of its punchy colors but it has its own issues like screen burning, LCD panel isn't bad by any means and if you are coming from a device that already had LCD screen than u would be happy by the display of Moto g. It's just good.
3. 5100mah battery- it's hard to defend this but I prefer a device with 3000mah over 5100mah as sd625 with 3000mah easily gives me 6+ hours of sot by heavy usage and it's the practical amount anyone would use a smartphone is a day, so this makes me charge my device everyday at the end of the day with which I am familiar, having a 5100mah battery would disbalance my stats and would give me 1.5days of usage, but still I would charge my device everyday as I can't charge my device in the afternoon due to life/job/education, so having a 5100mah is good but not practical, not for me, especially with that sweetttt sd625 chip inside, it's the best chipset in the budget market right now, awesome battery life and no heating issues.
Compass sensor- it's good to have as many sensors as possible, the most practical use of the compass sensor is for navigation, and navigation works really fine even without it *with a constant internet connection of course [emoji28] *, until u are used to offline maps and use them for navigation u won't notice any major difference.
Pros with Motog that u can't ignore:
1. The brand value: even if we geeks know that Lenovo owns Motorola but the world in general loves Moto g and is familiar with this brand for decades, Moto demands respect which a fone branded with Lenovo(f*** china [emoji36] ) don't, and that matters.
2. Better updates - even though Lenovo bought Moto the staff of Moto is still there, and I think they will not let us down as they know what we expect from them, Lenovo P2 got nougat update but it's so buggy that some users can't even watch YouTube videos with peace (audio syncing issues), you can see YouTube videos of users telling how to get back to marshmallow also, that's what I mean by "better" updates, that Chinese company can't compete with the technical staff in term of updates. It's 90% sure that we would get android o and it's 100% sure Lenovo P2 won't, coz it's just isn't their thing [emoji23]
3. Better camera- no need to explain on that, it's just the way it is. Best in class
4. That plain screen- Moto g has a plain Gorilla glass while Lenovo P2 has a 2.5d curved glass, it's so hard to find a good tempered glass protector for a 2.5d glass, I own a 2.5d glass device for months now and I am sick of it, with Moto g I can easily get a good tempered glass anywhere, literally anywhere.
5. Stock android- again nothing to explain u about this, just enjoy stock android in its full glory with Motog [emoji4]
That's the reason why I choose Moto g over lenovo P2, Moto g according to me is the most balanced smartphone in the budget segment right now, it don't really excells in anything, it's just a solid allrounder, i have been using it for weeks now and there's nothing to complain about. I was getting Lenovo P2 for ₹11750 ($175.37) and still I choose Moto g(4/32gb) which I got at ₹12750 ($190.29), and I know I would never regret my decision,
thanks for patiently reading this [emoji23]
Peace [emoji111]
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Instead of G7, LG may release upgraded V30

Instead of G7, LG may release "upgraded" V30
https://telecomtalk.info/lg-v30-wit...-at-the-mwc-2018-instead-of-lg-g7/172801/amp/
as a successor the original V30 in 2018, it’ safe to assume the presence of Snapdragon 845 SoC and of course, the RAM may get a bump to 6GB as well
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Probably speculation, but actually makes sense. Would compete very well against S9/S9+.
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ChazzMatt said:
Instead of G7, LG may release "upgraded" V30
https://telecomtalk.info/lg-v30-wit...-at-the-mwc-2018-instead-of-lg-g7/172801/amp/
Probably speculation, but actually makes sense. Would compete very well against S9/S9+.
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Yea I was reading the article on Android Authority earlier.
It's sad, flagship LG devices are very good. For me anyway. Maybe they'll just focus getting updates out for a while.
But, It honestly seems like they just don't want to release a flagship device with treble. So if they just stick with the devices they have, such as the v30, and just upgrade it a bit they kinda don't have to register it as a new device with Oreo so they don't need to support treble. Does that make sense?
The action sucks, but they obviously don't want us messing with our phones.
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brossovitch said:
Yea I was reading the article on Android Authority earlier.
It's sad, flagship LG devices are very good. For me anyway. Maybe they'll just focus getting updates out for a while.
But, It honestly seems like they just don't want to release a flagship device with treble. So if they just stick with the devices they have, such as the v30, and just upgrade it a bit they kinda don't have to register it as a new device with Oreo so they don't need to support treble. Does that make sense?
The action sucks, but they obviously don't want us messing with our phones.
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I saw the news on Android Authority as well. They mentioned it could potentially be the V30+a with the A standing for Assistant or AI. If it ends up being some sort of gimmicky crap like Samsung's Bixby, I have zero interest. If it ends up being something like the AI processor Huawei uses with their Kirin 970 chips, then I am definitely interested.
As for what LG is currently saying they are going to do by not chasing the top manufactures seems like they are sort of admitting that they can't play in the flagship market anymore after a decade of consistent failing to have a profitable mobile business. Every time the new person in charge opens their mouth, seems like they have less and less of an idea of what they need to do to actually get their act together.
Now, before Chazz gets on his white knight horse. LG does make some great products, including smartphones. The V30/V30+ is a very good example of that. However, the quality control sucks and their failure to deliver their products when they have the best chance of being sold are the two biggest issues, at least in my opinion.

Instead of another wonky AI de jour, LG should release an upgraded V30 with all the early problems (including display) fully resolved, a DAC that is just fully-engaged like a good standalone DAC without all the vexing nonsense of auto-adjust of output level vs. headphone impedance, and OS updated to address Krack and Spectre. Oh - and make good on promises by XDA forum enthusiasts (not LG) that bootloader unlock will be released for US open market version.
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Instead of another wonky AI de jour, LG should release an upgraded V30 with all the early problems (including display) fully resolved, a DAC that is just fully-engaged like a good standalone DAC without all the vexing nonsense of auto-adjust of output level vs. headphone impedance, and OS updated to address Krack and Spectre. Oh - and make good on promises by XDA forum enthusiasts (not LG) that bootloader unlock will be released for US open market version.
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The promises were made based on LG's policies. Since 2015, the only reason LG releases an open market version of flagship is for Developer Bootloader unlock. And both European and North America open market flagships are placed on that list. I can show you that list if you can't find it.
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But LG can do what it wishes and when it wishes.
For the U.S. market they tend to wait until last on the list of "to-do" items, just as they are getting ready to launch the NEXT flagship. For the G6 US997, took SIX WEEKS after release (from mid May to end of June) -- and this past week was week #6 for the US998 V30 since release (but only week #3 for the US998 V30+).
LG never promised a timeline for bootloader unlock and neither can forum enthusiasts. But it has always happened since LG started this LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list.
Complicating matters, now the whole LG mobile division has been reorganized and the G7 cancelled.
LG might decide not to do it this time for the open market LG US998. I bought three of these phones, so my money is where my mouth is. Yeah, I'd be disappointed.
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Coming up with a new upgraded/superior model before unlocking BL is such a slap. I woldnt buy v30 when the successor and s845 devices are on the shelves as it looks will be. I know, then get ready for another torturing round of waiting and waiting .

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Now, before Chazz gets on his white knight horse. LG does make some great products, including smartphones. The V30/V30+ is a very good example of that. However, the quality control sucks and their failure to deliver their products when they have the best chance of being sold are the two biggest issues, at least in my opinion.
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I'll be the first to admit where LG fails, but I'll also brag on their successes.
Back in 2010, before Samsung became the juggernaut it did, LG and Samsung were more like competitive step-brothers from Korea. LG phones were innovative, excellent and as good as or BETTER than Samsung.
My first Android (2010) was an LG Optimus M.
Then, in 2011, an LG Esteem (clone of the Verizon LG Revolution) but for regional carrier.
After that I in 2012 I went to gen3 Galaxy Nexus (Samsung + Google) yet after that was 2013 gen5 LG Nexus 5 (LG + Google).
There was a reason Google used LG for the Nexus 5 even though they owned Motorola at the time -- LG was innovating the heck out of phones. They had used LG for the Nexus 4, also.
After that in 2014, I went to the Moto Quark -- which was basically the UNofficial 5.2" Moto Nexus 6. (the number was ALWAYS the gen number, NOT the screen size). Google had 5.2" and 6" prototypes (as late as mid-August 2014) -- and chose the 6" version for Nexus 6. I think that was a mistake as most people didn't want 6" display phones on 2014. It was even bigger than Samsung Note. Google should have released BOTH or just the smaller one.
Motorola repurposed the 5.2" to be the Quark (Droid Turbo XT1254/Moto Turbo XT1225/Moto Maxx XT1225, XT1250). That's been my daily driver for 3 years.
But I still kept track of LG...
2012 LG Optimus G (aka G1) -- LG Nexus 4 was basically clone of this phone
2013 LG G2 (first 1080p HD display) -- LG Nexus 5 based on this phone.
2014 LG G3 (1440p, laser auto focus camera)
I did own some G2 phones as "backup" phones and worked on lots of G2 and G3 phones for friends.
However, 2015 LG G4 was just iterative update to the LG G3. (I won a 2015 LG G4 from AT&T, but sold it to buy my 3rd Moto XT1225.) This was when LG quality problems really hit hard, with bad motherboard connections. This was also the year LG introduced the V10 -- which in hindsight was a mistake.
Hear me out on this. Yes, Samsung has two flagship models per year, but for LG's iteration of the "two flagships per year" their V-series (until the V30) was this quirky, TOO BIG mess. The G series was the more "mainstream" model. In the same way, I've NEVER desired a large Samsung Note phone. But by introducing the "new kid on the block", the V-series, LG mentally demoted the G series, and it showed. Samsung never did that to the Galaxy S series.
Starting with the 2015 LG G4 (because they were already working on the V10), they didn't want to make the G4 "too good". It showed. It's basically the G3, again.
With the 2016 G5, they made the screen SMALLER. Who does that? They also made those stupid mods nobody wanted. A mod is admission you are leaving SOMETHING out of the phone that would make it better. Nobody wants to carry that crap around.
So, they lost two years there, RUINING the G series reputation.
And while the 2016 V20 is supposedly an excellent spec phone, I never wanted to buy it. It looks ugly with that stupid second display and is just too large.
Here's the V20 vs the V30. The V30 is better in every way.
Only with the 2017 LG G6 did LG start get back on track, with innovative designs. But they STILL screwed up with the mentality "We can't make it too good. It's only the G." So, they regionalizedthe specs -- because a FULL fledged G6 WITH ALL THE SPECS, would be BETTER than the stupid V20 they had just released... [emoji14] You couldn't buy a G6 with all the specs listed. That was truly pure idiotic marketing strategy.
Then, the 128 G6+ (with all the specs) LG released in JULY 2017 was the "G6" they should have released in early 2017. But it was "too little, too late". They released a flagship style phone in JULY 2017 with Snapdragon 821 -- when half a dozen competing OEMs had already released next-gen Snapdragon 835 models? I can't figure out if LG is just truly that stupid, or they think their customers are. I do understand, in a way -- if they had thrown in a Snapdragon 835 to the G6+, then it would be TOO much like the upcoming V30/V30+. The problem is LG is the one who backed themselves into that corner in the first place -- with the laughable regionalization of specs scheme in the first place. There would have been NO NEED for an "all spec" G6+ if they had simply released the BEST G6 in early 2017.
Then the latter 2017 V30+ was an evolved G6+ -- just made better. They also seem to have solved their motherboard/welding issues, etc. No hardware overheating/boot loops with V30, right? Plus, with the V30, LG DOWNSIZED the phone (compared to the V20), but kept the display larger. It's a more "mainstream" sized phone.
Also, Google has gone back to LG yet again -- for the 2017 Pixel 2 XL, which has gotten good reviews.
So, anyone wants to criticize LG for the 2014 - 2016 years and all that mess (LG G4, V10, G5, even V20), I'll be glad to pile on. You can even throw in the idiotic 2017 LG G6 regionalization and the mid-year G6+ (but still with Snapdragon 821) debacle.
But the V30/V30+ is an example of exceptional design and hardware specs.
Yeah, the selfie camera should be better.
Yeah, for me stereo speakers would be better.
Maybe 6GB RAM.
Maybe some kind of portrait mode on the rear camera in addition to the wide angle lens.
But overall, it's an "A". I think it's either the best phone of the year, or tied for best phone of the year (with the Note 8, which is still too big for me.)

ChazzMatt said:
I'll be the first to admit where LG fails, but I'll also brag on their successes.
Back in 2010, before Samsung became the juggernaut it did, LG and Samsung were more like competitive step-brothers from Korea. LG phones were innovative, excellent and as good as or BETTER than Samsung.
My first Android (2010) was an LG Optimus M.
Then, in 2011, an LG Esteem (clone of the Verizon LG Revolution) but for regional carrier.
After that I in 2012 I went to gen3 Galaxy Nexus (Samsung + Google) yet after that was 2013 gen5 LG Nexus 5 (LG + Google).
There was a reason Google used LG for the Nexus 5 even though they owned Motorola at the time -- LG was innovating the heck out of phones. They had used LG for the Nexus 4, also.
After that in 2014, I went to the Moto Quark -- which was basically the UNofficial 5.2" Moto Nexus 6. (the number was ALWAYS the gen number, NOT the screen size). Google had 5.2" and 6" prototypes (as late as mid-August 2014 -- and chose the 6" version for Nexus 6. Motorola repurposed the 5.2" to be the Quark (Droid Turbo XT1254/Moto Turbo XT1225/Moto Maxx XT1225, XT1250). That's been my daily driver for 3 years.
But I still kept track of LG...
2012 LG Optimus G (aka G1) -- LG Nexus 4 was basically clone of this phone
2013 LG G2 (first 1080p HD display) -- LG Nexus 5 based on this phone.
2014 LG G3 (1440p, laser auto focus camera)
I did own some G2 phones as "backup" phones and worked on lots of G2 and G3 phones for friends.
However, 2015 LG G4 was just iterative update to the LG G3. (I won a 2015 LG G4 from AT&T, but sold it to buy my 3rd Moto XT1225.) This was when LG quality problems really hit hard, with bad motherboard connections. This was also the year LG introduced the V10 -- which in hindsight was a mistake.
Hear me out on this. Yes, Samsung has two flagship models per year, but for LG's iteration of the "two flagships per year" their V-series (until the V30) was this quirky, TOO BIG mess. The G series was the more "mainstream" model. In the same way, I've NEVER desired a large Samsung Note phone. But by introducing the "new kid on the block", the V-series, LG mentally demoted the G series, and it showed. Samsung never did that to the Galaxy S series.
Starting with the 2015 LG G4 (because they were already working on the V10), they didn't want to make the G4 "too good". It showed. It's basically the G3, again.
With the 2016 G5, they made the screen SMALLER. Who does that? They also made those stupid mods nobody wanted. A mod is admission you are leaving SOMETHING out of the phone that would make it better. Nobody wants to carry that crap around.
So, they lost two years there, RUINING the G series reputation.
And while the 2016 V20 is supposedly an excellent spec phone, I never wanted to buy it. It looks ugly with that stupid second display and is just too large.
Here's the V20 vs the V30. The V30 is better in every way.
Only with the 2017 LG G6 did LG start get back on track, with innovative designs. But they STILL screwed up with the mentality "We can't make it too good. It's only the G." So, they regionalizedthe specs -- because a FULL fledged G6 WITH ALL THE SPECS, would be BETTER than the stupid V20 they had just released... [emoji14] You couldn't buy a G6 with all the specs listed. That was truly pure idiotic marketing strategy.
Then, the 128 G6+ (with all the specs) LG released in JULY 2017 was the "G6" they should have released in early 2017. But it was "too little, too late". They released a flagship style phone in JULY 2017 with Snapdragon 821 -- when half a dozen competing OEMs had already released next-gen Snapdragon 835 models? I can't figure out if LG is just truly that stupid, or they think their customers are. I do understand, in a way -- if they had thrown in a Snapdragon 835 to the G6+, then it would be TOO much like the upcoming V30/V30+. The problem is LG is the one who backed themselves into that corner in the first place -- with the laughable regionalization of specs scheme in the first place. There would have been NO NEED for an "all spec" G6+ if they had simply released the BEST G6 in early 2017.
Then the latter 2017 V30+ was an evolved G6+ -- just made better. They also seem to have solved their motherboard/welding issues, etc. No hardware overheating/boot loops with V30, right? Plus, with the V30, LG DOWNSIZED the phone (compared to the V20), but kept the display larger. It's a more "mainstream" sized phone.
Also, Google has gone back to LG yet again -- for the 2017 Pixel 2 XL, which has gotten good reviews.
So, anyone wants to criticize LG for the 2014 - 2016 years and all that mess (LG G4, V10, G5, even V20), I'll be glad to pile on. You can even throw in the idiotic 2017 LG G6 regionalization and the mid-year G6+ (but still with Snapdragon 821) debacle.
But the V30/V30+ is an example of exceptional design and hardware specs.
Yeah, the selfie camera should be better.
Yeah, for me stereo speakers would be better.
Maybe 6GB RAM.
Maybe some kind of portrait mode on the rear camera in addition to the wide angle lens.
But overall, it's an "A". I think it's either the best phone of the year, or tied for best phone of the year (with the Note 8, which is still too big for me.)
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I liked the V20 but never ended up buying one. It was ugly with that LG branding on the front of it. I still think the second screen is more practical than that stupid moveable thing. Where I expected the evolution to really come, would have been if LG had kept a second screen, but when the screen is on, the user would have a choice to extend the main screen up on to the second. Sadly, they didn't go that route.
I had two Galaxy Nexus devices and a Nexus 5. I stayed away from the Nexus 4 due to the many software issues it had and was weary about buying the Nexus 5 but did anyway. I don't regret it either. It was a great phone, just ugly. I still use my Moto Nexus 6 to this day. Google made Motorola great again, then sold it. I think they will do some awesome things with HTC that will also hurt LG, especially after the complaints with the Pixel 2 XL screens.

Nice right up Chazz. I agree the the fragmentation of the lg product line.
The only gripe I have is when the Samsung note was called too big. Now I agree it has been too big at one point in the past and now once again it is. But Samsung nailed it for a few years. Note 1 and 2 were definitely too wide. By the time they got to the note 3 they got the dimensions right. Those dimensions stayed mostly unchangd for 4, 5 and 7.
One of the big reasons I ended up with the V30 is how close dimensionaly it is to the note 3 I was upgrading from.
I do agree the note 8 is too big/tall and Samsung phones in general are too tall now. I guess since they already tried too wide they had to make it bigger in a different direction.
I still find it funny how the note 8 was constantly being called a phablet and now most phones are either the same size or smaller then the older notes.
Personally I never followed LG much. Always had friends which LG phones that broke, never knew anyone that was happy with them as far as build quality was concerned. This started back before they even started making smart phones.
I bought the first Samsung galaxy and doing research at the time on which phone to buy and after using it I knew Samsung was going to do well. Back then they really were making the best phones. They had to start to ruin them with touchwiz though.
I had hoped that I would find a new phone that would be as close to how perfect I felt the note 3 was. Disappointedly nothing is. But the V30 is definitely the closest I can currently get.
Thankfully LG didn't remove most of the hardware features that some of us have come a custom to.
Since coming from the note I'm only missing the pen, notification led and removable battery (which is clearly a thing of the past) and some durability, that thing could take a beating. But this seems to be true for all new phones.
And the worse of all, root. But I've read all you have to say about that. Unfortunately it not always that easy in some regions.
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I change my device all the time, because I get itchy for something different. In the past two years, my history looks like this:
Note5, S7 Edge, HTC 10, LG V20, S8+, Note8, LG V30
Although I enjoyed the unlocked bootloader from the Note5, HTC 10, and V20, the Note8 and V30 are both very usable without root. Some people will never buy a phone that cannot be rooted, and that's their choice and perfectly fine with me. I used to be the same way, but recently have tried to survive without it, and done quite well. Android is much more mature a platform now, and no longer needs root to make it perform decently.
If the rumors of the S9/S9+ having stereo speakers is true, then I'm headed back to Samsung land. Even when I needed root to make a device usable (Note5), I couldn't get past the horrid speaker setup that Samsung puts on even their $1000 phones.

ChazzMatt said:
However, 2015 LG G4 was just iterative update to the LG G3. (I won a 2015 LG G4 from AT&T, but sold it to buy my 3rd Moto XT1225.) This was when LG quality problems really hit hard, with bad motherboard connections.
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Er, the camera was a big improvement on the G4. I never would have dreamt LG'd provide a camera with as extensive manual controls compared to the iphone like camera they put on the G3. They saw what sammy did on the K zoom and actually topped it. Sammy forgot they ever made the k with the design of the s6's camera
The G4 had a subtly curved screen. The G3 was flat screen. Great in the hand with leather backs. Case ? what bloody case, the phone never felt like you'd drop it.
OEM battery charger, finally they got a clue that an independent charger is essential OUTSIDE Korea if replaceable batteries are ever to make sense. The g3 didn't have that.
This was also the year LG introduced the V10 -- which in hindsight was a mistake.
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What mistake. They added video controls and better recording audio which nobody had. A robust and unique looking phone also with a replaceable battery.
Hear me out on this. Yes, Samsung has two flagship models per year, but for LG's iteration of the "two flagships per year" their V-series (until the V30) was this quirky, TOO BIG mess.
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The V10 was too big for me and this is why i ended up with the G4. Which was so unique.we'll never see another. The ergonomics were very good. leather backs. Who has that.
The next problem was the limited availability. Very few markets saw the V10
The G series was the more "mainstream" model. In the same way, I've NEVER desired a large Samsung Note phone. But by introducing the "new kid on the block", the V-series, LG mentally demoted the G series, and it showed. Samsung never did that to the Galaxy S series.
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People who wanted the bigger phone went with it. The Note stood out. The note 5 was demoted and the s6e+ (who comes up with these names) was pushed instead. Never happened before. The note 4 was the last great Note. The closest you get to it is the V20 today.
Then to add insult to injury the Note 7 got banned by world govt (!) why isn't the note dead already
I've never sensed any tension between G or V owners, each went with what they wanted. You wanted smaller you went G.
Same with S & Note owners. There are subtle differences between both series and the twain shall never meet
Starting with the 2015 LG G4 (because they were already working on the V10), they didn't want to make the G4 "too good". It showed. It's basically the G3, again.
With the 2016 G5, they made the screen SMALLER. Who does that? They also made those stupid mods nobody wanted. A mod is admission you are leaving SOMETHING out of the phone that would make it better. Nobody wants to carry that crap around.
So, they lost two years there, RUINING the G series reputation.
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The downside was the bootloop problem with the G4 & V10. Everybody that wanted a good camera got either of the two. Period
The slam the G5 got was people thought they should have improved on the G4 further. The G5 was too radical. Anyone that wants a really good camera, should check out the G5. Sensors got smaller from there on and continued getting smaller to the point the one on the V30 is now smaller than on an iphone. They wanted to get rid of the bump (!) Great, they did that.
With the G4 on to the G5, you KNEW you were packing. Don't get that feel with the V20, its still good but those were better
And while the 2016 V20 is supposedly an excellent spec phone, I never wanted to buy it. It looks ugly with that stupid second display and is just too large.
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Not ugly and you get used to the size. Second display comes in handy for quick picks.
People with a Z play make the point that it comes with dual sim AND micro sd. Such a rarity these days. Guess what i got that with the G4 AND V20. For some reason this hybrid nonsense makes it into the G's5 & 6 and V30 et al.
Only with the 2017 LG G6 did LG start get back on track, with innovative designs. But they STILL screwed up with the mentality "We can't make it too good. It's only the G." So, they regionalizedthe specs -- because a FULL fledged G6 WITH ALL THE SPECS, would be BETTER than the stupid V20 they had just released... [emoji14] You couldn't buy a G6 with all the specs listed. That was truly pure idiotic marketing strategy.
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last time they reginalised specs was G3 with the asinine 2/3Gb memory. The G6 region builds was a mistake.
The Asian G6 was full specs, maybe this is why they did a V30+ plus here. Funny that. The G6 was to good that they had to up the game with a v30 plus
What annoys me with these Korean phones is the excessive number of SKU's which just make it a pain. Why not make just one for the ENTIRE world.
Innovative design of G6/V30 makes LG not stand out from the crowd, It's a samey looking phone isn't it with hybrid sim & a sealed battery. yeah real great
So many reviewers say the same thing and its this conformity that gets me down. The G4 and on up to the V20 refused to conform.
The G6 & V30 are pretty, yeah. Funny how these are considered quality but everything before isn't ?
All throughout is LG's discriminating practice of allowing bootloader unlock only in certain markets. They Euros get it because God said so. Why does only T-mo get it though and not the other US operators?
Then the latter 2017 V30+ was an evolved G6+ -- just made better. They also seem to have solved their motherboard/welding issues, etc. No hardware overheating/boot loops with V30, right? Plus, with the V30, LG DOWNSIZED the phone (compared to the V20), but kept the display larger. It's a more "mainstream" sized phone.
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as i understand it the bootloops stopped with the V10. So no more bootloops from the G5 onwards.
So, anyone wants to criticize LG for the 2014 - 2016 years and all that mess (LG G4, V10, G5, even V20), I'll be glad to pile on. You can even throw in the idiotic 2017 LG G6 regionalization and the mid-year G6+ (but still with Snapdragon 821) debacle.
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And you stand countered SIR!

Didn't LG change their mind and decide there will be a G7 now, just not called, G7? I don't think anyone at LG knows their own ass from a blowhole of a porpoise!

jcsww said:
Didn't LG change their mind and decide there will be a G7 now, just not called, G7? I don't think anyone at LG knows their own ass from a blowhole of a porpoise!
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HaHaHaHaHa LMMFAO!!! Well said Sir!!

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as i understand it the bootloops stopped with the V10. So no more bootloops from the G5 onwards.
I've never sensed any tension between G or V owners, each went with what they wanted. You wanted smaller you went G.
The Asian G6 was full specs,
And you stand countered SIR!
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You understand wrong, and I don't have time to correct the other nonsense in your post.
OK, we do agree on the Note 7. I could write paragraphs about that. Not all Note 7 had problems, but Samsung proved (by bricking all the Note 7 to force people to turn in their phones) if you don't root your phone the OEM/carrier still owns your phone. You didn't buy it, you are really renting it.
No G6 had all the specs, not even Asian. Believe me, I researched this. I would have bought an open market G6 with Qi wireless charging, quad DAC, more internal storage. They were ALL regionalized. An "all spec" G6 would have been a winner (Qi wireless, quad DAC, more than 32GB storage) -- but LG didn't want to make it "too good". Because it would have been better than the recent V20, especially with the almost zero bezel design. So, they felt they had to bring it down a notch, by regionalizing the specs.
I never said there was "tension" between G and V owners. I said the V10 was a mistake in hindsight, because it clearly made LG not want to give the G series as good or better specs than the V series. LG mentally (means in their own minds) demoted to the G series to 2nd place. See the G6 example and even the silly G5. LG would never put those bottom removable mods on their precious V series! And they shouldn't have done it to the G.
If LG had never done the V series -- if they had just concentrated on making ONE phone the best -- the G series would have become better and better instead of the circus sideshow the G5 was.
G4 was an iterative update to the G3. I stand by that. You need to look up the meaning of the word iterative. Just like the 2018 Samsung S9 is expected to be an iterative update to the 2017 Galaxy S8. There will be some slight improvements. The G4 was slight improvement over the G3.
I owned a G4 for a short period of time and specifically did not want a leather back. I always put a case on my phones, to protect the back and the screen (from flat drops onto the floor).
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. What mistake. They added video controls and better recording audio which nobody had. A robust and unique looking phone also with a replaceable battery.They added video controls and better recording audio which nobody had. A robust and unique looking phone also with a replaceable battery.
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Why didn't they add those video controls and better audio to the G4 to make it a FANTASTIC phone? Or to the next year's G5? They were "saving" their better stuff for the V10 and V20. That's been LG's problem. Rather than make 2 GREAT phones per year, they seem concerned about making 1.5 great phones per year.
With the 2017 G6, LG got back on good design track -- but messed up by regionalizing the spec. A "full spec" G6 in early 2017 (even with Snapdragon 821) would have competed with S8/s8+ -- and then the V30 was an evolved version of the G6. However, LG didn't do a full spec G6 until JULY 2017, and called it the G6+. It's was a different phone, a separate release MONTHS later from the G6. But served no real purpose, as it still had Snapdragon 821, when everybody and their brother had already released Snapdragon 835 phones. But the mid-year G6+ is what the early 2017 G6 should have been.
They also messed up because LG doesn't know how to RELEASE a phone. You can't just ANNOUNCE it, you have to also ship it. Their regionalized, Snapdragon 821 G6 phone SHIPPED at the same time the Galaxy S8/S8+ was shipping. If they could have actually BEATEN Samsung to market with a full spec G6, it would have worked.
I'm happy with the V30, but I feel like LG wasted two years and a ton of money trying to create two separate phone series, when they needed to just concentrate on making ONE excellent phone.

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Didn't LG change their mind and decide there will be a G7 now, just not called, G7? I don't think anyone at LG knows their own ass from a blowhole of a porpoise!
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Right. There's been competing stories out there. The "current" rumor is they will ship an upgraded V30, called the V30 A (for artificial intelligence). Then later when Snapdragon 845 is available, they will ship a new phone that would have been the G7, but now will be called something else. Maybe.
It is smart to wait for Snapdragon 845. It's never a good idea to ship "last year's" chipset in a flagship phone, especially after your main competitor has shipped a phone with the newer chipset. LG could have gotten away with it last year in the G6 if they had thrown in the kitchen sink with specs -- but they seemingly didn't want the V20 to look bad in comparison. So, they pulled their punches by regionalizing the specs, and Samsung's S8/S8+ just looked so much better AND had Snapdragon 835.

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You understand wrong, and I don't have time to correct the other nonsense in your post. You corrected or countered nothing.
No G6 had all the specs, not even Asian. Believe me, I researched this. They were all regionalized.
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If you think its nonsense then you are merely disagreeing. I didn't disagree, i challenged. If you don't challenge then what i said stands until such time someone actually does. That's how it works. Take your time i can defend everything i've said there. Even if the whole board piles on.
The series of LG phones you think are lame i would say is LG at its best trying to imbue their products with a sense of identity. Trying to go one up challenging themselves with each model. Four times over two years. 2015 was a fantastic year for them, left everybody in the rear view mirror. I was very interested to see what they would do next. You don't seem to appreciate that for some reason
Show me the same incidence of bootlooped G5 & V20's. Who here can do that. I've hung in those communities for well over a year. Not seeing the numbers in comparison to the G4 & V10.
The Asian G6 doesn't have wireless charging. Big deal. It came with 64GB and an audio dac which were missing on euro & American variants for no good reason. This is why you say they didn't want to make the G good enough. Well, it applies to this year only which would make it an exception. I would not be using this reasoning for the previous two years. THAT is what i'm challenging
I never said there was "tension" between G and V owers. I said the V10 was a mistake in hindsight, because it clearly made LG not want to give the G series as good or better specs than the V series. LG mentally (means in their own minds) demoted to the G series to 2nd place.
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Why does your argument not apply to the Note series ? the Note always had the best specs until the 5 because its a non-sensical argument
You may not have said there was any tension but the point stands, nobody felt short changed when the V series came out if they had a G prior. I actually picked up a G after the V10 came out. The weird reduction in specs for the G6 is an exception compared to the previous two years. We've discussed that already and agree the blame lies entirely with LG's decisions this year
Could the same be said about the one plus 5 and the T? No, because the T is a better spec'd 5 as is the case with the 3
People are going to point to sales numbers to make their point. I'm talking about what they've done.
I picked up a V20 before the V30 came out and was surprised at how aggressive their pricing was in India. It's moving but not at the same extent as the 5T but then the 5T isn't as good as the V30+

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Right. There's been competing stories out there. The "current" rumor is they will ship an upgraded V30, called the V30 A (for artificial intelligence). Then later when Snapdragon 845 is available, they will ship a new phone that would have been the G7, but now will be called something else. Maybe.
It is smart to wait for Snapdragon 845. It's never a good idea to ship "last year's" chipset in a flagship phone, especially after your main competitor has shipped a phone with the newer chipset. LG could have gotten away with it last year in the G6 if they had thrown in the kitchen sink with specs -- but they seemingly didn't want the V20 to look bad in comparison. So, they pulled their punches by regionalizing the specs, and Samsung's S8/S8+ just looked so much better AND had Snapdragon 835.
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I agree the SD845 is worth waiting for. Whatever the G7 is going to be called is supposed to get the 6GB of RAM treatment too. Both of those things are worth the wait. I haven't seen anything about whether or not they are going to keep the dual front cameras that the G7 was supposed to have. I am not a selfie person so I don't really care either way, but t would be nice to have a slightly better front camera than came with the V30/V30+.

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If you think its nonsense then you are merely disagreeing. I didn't disagree, i challenged. If you don't challenge then what i said stands until such time someone actually does. That's how it works. Take your time i can defend everything i've said there. Even if the whole board piles on.
The series of LG phones you think are lame i would say is LG at its best trying to imbue their products with a sense of identity. Trying to go one up challenging themselves with each model. Four times over two years. 2015 was a fantastic year for them, left everybody in the rear view mirror. I was very interested to see what they would do next. You don't seem to appreciate that for some reason
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You don't seem to understand. LG is in a jam for a reason. They have FAILED financially in their mobile division when they started off about equally in design and reputation with Samsung a few years ago.
They've made a series of mistakes where they didn't innovate like they should have, to cause people to buy their phones. Or made really stupid design mistakes like "last year's Snapdragon" or marketing mistakes like regionalizing the specs on a FLAGSHIP PHONE. That sends a clear signal your G series isn't that important.
That mods idea on the G series was just stupid. Remove the bottom of the phone... Any mods means you left something out in the first place. But the way they implemented it was beyond crazy. I criticize Motorola for their mods too, but at least theirs is designed better -- and they are a sub-brand of Lenovo, not a full fledged company! I refuse to buy a phone with mods.
My narrative EXPLAINS everything LG did wrong, while your narrative says everything is quite FANTASTIC.
Yet, they are shaking up their mobile division for the nth time. They now report to VP instead of the CEO (the mobile division has been demoted in LG hierarchy). They've floated rumors of maybe releasing one flagship phone per year instead of two. "As needed", they said.
And to me, that's the whole point. They need to go back to ONE flagship phone per year and make that the best phone possible.
I am an LG fan, but I can also see where they went wrong -- which is why the V30 is the first LG phone I've bought as a daily driver in 3 years. (not counting some G2 I bought off eBay to be back up phones). I've worked on lots of LG G2, G3 and won a 2015 G4 --which I quickly sold because it wasn't as good as my 2014 Moto XT1225.
Look at the specs of even the ZTE Axon 7 (which competes quite well with the 2016 Pixel XL) and look at the 2016 LG G5.
https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/ZTE-Axon-7,LG-G5/phones/10068,9819?ft=2
The G5 is clearly inferior in every way. The ZTE Axon 7 has the same 1440p 5.5" Samsung AMOLED display the Pixel would use later in the year (yes the exact same part number). Award winning quad DAC. Yes, from ZTE. Front facing stereo speakers. Snapdragon 820/64GB internal memory/4GB RAM + microSD slot. All for $450. THAT is the phone LG should have made for the LG G5. The ZTE Axon 7 has even as good hardware specs or better than the months-later Google Pixel XL, if you ignore the slight differences between 820/821 chipset. And yes, the Pixel has a better camera -- but that was really software. And ZTE Axon 7 looked much better than the Pixel XL with its huge bezels.
I joked at the time Google should buy 1 million ZTE Axon 7, slap on their software, mark up the price and release THAT as the Pixel XL!
LG should have done the same.
LG has messed up the past few years -- ever since the G3, in trying to split features between two different phones. Neither one was what the public really wanted, and sales shows that. Internally, it's clear LG favored the V series over the G series. Plus, their poor quality control for a couple of years didn't help either.
That's the narrative that explains the mess, when they are a huge corporation the size of Samsung, located in the same country.
I have three LG V30/30+ -- so I think they have a winner in this phone. But they are still paying in public reputation.
The last LG phone I recommended to people before the V30 was the LG G3.

ChazzMatt said:
You don't seem to understand. LG is in a jam for a reason. They have FAILED financially in their mobile division when they started off about equally in design and reputation with Samsung a few years ago.
They've made a series of mistakes where they didn't innovate like they should have, to cause people to buy their phones. Or made really stupid design mistakes like "last year's Snapdragon" or marketing mistakes like regionalizing the specs on a FLAGSHIP PHONE. That sends a clear signal your G series isn't that important.
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10nm process meant non availability. LG has this bee in their bonnet where they have to be first out the gate or perceived that way. quad hd screen on the G3 ? was that necessary. So to beat sammy meant the G6 had to come out before the S8. I don't have an issue with the 820, it was the differing regional builds that queered it up
That mods idea on the G series was just stupid. Remove the bottom of the phone... Any mods means you left something out in the first place. But the way they implemented it was beyond crazy. I criticize Motorola for their mods too, but at least theirs is designed better -- and they are a sub-brand of Lenovo, not a full fledged company! I refuse to buy a phone with mods.
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I don't have a problem with the idea of mods. You can knock the implementation and in the end you didn't need any mods to run the G5 which was a pretty fine phone in itself. Provided you ignored what the reviewers were saying about intangibles like design. Why refuse the phone if you don't want the mds. I prefer to have options and not need them than the other way around
JBL sound boost, will beat any phone speaker ever made. The battery mod will boost battery life on the motos. No replaceable battery any more well, this is how you do it from the OEM who tried to standardise connections so 3rd parties could join. There is future proof-ness with mods. Offering alternatives. This is the Android way. You don't want to be in a world where all phones are the same. one company only makes screens. That same one company also makes CPU's
iphones have a ton of 3rd party add ons. will you refuse an iphone because these alternatives exist. of course not so why slam an OEM when they offer them, In fact they above all will do a much better job than any 3rd party could. Every time.
If you question whether mods are worth the money then that is a different question. Mods from one phone will not work with another and hence are a waste of money. But look at people overspending on X & pixels & surfaces. It's about indulgence. There is no reasoning with them,
My narrative EXPLAINS everything LG did wrong, while your narrative says everything is quite FANTASTIC.
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Giving credit where its due
Yet, they are shaking up their mobile division for the nth time. They now report to VP instead of the CEO (the mobile division has been demoted in LG hierarchy). They've floated rumors of maybe releasing one flagship phone per year instead of two. "As needed", they said.
And to me, that's the whole point. They need to go back to ONE flagship phone per year and make that the best phone possible.
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I'm fine with one phone a year or even one phone every two years. Gives them time to design and come out with something good. it also means updates will be more timely and reliable. Trying to put out phones every six months is a crazy schedule it leads to small improvements where you need to skip at least two models to feel you actually got an upgrade. And at times a downgraded because some things get removed. Aren't others ding the same. Who then buys the phones they put out.
But there is this fear if they aren't in the public eye then its a slow death. LG scaled back on their ads after the G3. When the G3 came out i got hammered by ads every day for a full month whenever i watched a phone related yutube video. It got to the point i was so fed up. Then it suddenly stopped. I've never seen an LG ad on youtube since. I've got to go look for them. G4 ? nobody heard of it. The shops didn't stock demo models because LG didn't pay the rent. I had to go searching in the city until i fund a store that did.
The commissions on samsung, apple, lower end phones are better so i find more shops stocking them.
I am an LG fan, but I can also see where they went wrong -- which is why the V30 is the first LG phone I've bought as a daily driver in 3 years. (not counting some G2 I bought off eBay to be back up phones). I've worked on lots of LG G2, G3 and won a 2015 G4 --which I quickly sold because it wasn't as good as my 2014 Moto XT1225.
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Ah, the moto max/turbo. For some reason that phone didn't get the traction it deserved. I remember watching reviews and you got this feeling that it was very fast and smooth.
The only weak point with moto's is the camera. They always seem to be more than a year behind. LG otoh was in the forefront, not quite these days though but good enough. MXP was also an 808, no bootloop problem there. it really beggars belief how LG, a company in the business for over ten years could have made boot loop prone phones
MXP also had the same ergonomic tapering design with good grip that just disappeared in 2016 where it became boring 'premium' glass & metal. Slippery as hell, fingerprints galore, prone to damage. not fit for life. Phones are meant to be used not just looked at.
Look at the specs of even the ZTE Axon 7 (which competes quite well with the 2016 Pixel XL) and look at the 2016 LG G5.
https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/ZTE-Axon-7,LG-G5/phones/10068,9819?ft=2
The G5 is clearly inferior in every way. The ZTE Axon 7 has the same 1440p 5.5" Samsung AMOLED display the Pixel would use later in the year (yes the exact same part number). Award winning quad DAC. Yes, from ZTE. Front facing stereo speakers. Snapdragon 820/64GB internal memory/4GB RAM + microSD slot. All for $450. THAT is the phone LG should have made for the LG G5. The ZTE Axon 7 has even as good hardware specs or better than the months-later Google Pixel XL, if you ignore the slight differences between 820/821 chipset. And yes, the Pixel has a better camera -- but that was really software. And ZTE Axon 7 looked much better than the Pixel XL with its huge bezels.
I joked at the time Google should buy 1 million ZTE Axon 7, slap on their software, mark up the price and release THAT as the Pixel XL!
LG should have done the same.
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Except the camera on the axon isn't going to hold a candle to the G5. Only Chinese phone that gets there are the huawei's P10's & mate which came out the year after. heh.
Availability. If you put lineage on the axon 7 you have a cheap phone with updates and no spyware/bloatware.
The only thing LG had to do was front facing speakers. They have shied away from it. The G5 could have incorporated a dac without requiring a mod. In the US it was the FCC that required each and every mod to be cleared. Adding mods changes the radio pattern it seems. Their mods weren't available in the US. Moto somehow satisifed this requirement. This was a slip up on LG's part.
You see how subtle the difference is here. No point having mods if they aren't available.
Pixel has a better camera if you're the one who wants to just point and click. Not having access to manual options limits creativity. Those manual options i use less than 5% of the time but i would not give them u because they offer just the edge others do not have. Sammy & huawei excepted.
LG has messed up the past few years -- ever since the G3, in trying to split features between two different phones. Neither one was what the public really wanted, and sales shows that. Internally, it's clear LG favored the V series over the G series. Plus, their poor quality control for a couple of years didn't help either.
That's the narrative that explains the mess, when they are a huge corporation the size of Samsung, located in the same country.
I have three LG V30/30+ -- so I think they have a winner in this phone. But they are still paying in public reputation.
The last LG phone I recommended to people before the V30 was the LG G3.
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I will agree with the underlined bit only when it comes to this year and the G6 & V30. Which means you are commenting on a very specific point in time. That is what i want to highlight to readers. I'm taking a longer view. Tactics changed this year, not necessarily for the better
If LG are facing trouble its because the market is very competitive. Some missteps along the way. Too little advertising and when they do announce something taking several months to put it out. high prices for phones across the board. No wonder people run to the plus 5.
V30 in blue is very attractive.
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Android for me does not mean stock. It means having hardware options. Micro sd, camera, headphone jack, replaceable battery, mods even
The custom skins the Koreans use does not trouble me. it does imply a longer lead time with updates but i'd rather get an OS upgrade six months after google puts it out and know that developers for all the apps i use had sufficient time to make their apps compatible. Everything works.

OnePlus 6?

Anyone here going for the OnePlus 6?

If it supported Verizon...I would no doubt. But, no such luck this time around either.

No! Going to keep my badboy Pixel XL 2!!

Hell no! I've got enough data mining in my life already! ?

Battery 3300 is very bad for a 6.28 inch screen.
Knowing the release of op 6, I bought pixel 2 xl very recently (slightly higher price paid than avengers edition of op6). OP camera software often so bad that we end up waiting and using gcam mods.
Camera, Battery life and display are better in pixel 2 xl.
Oneplus forum is a war zone no courtesy shown by many. Ofcourse we could use xda for it though.

srikanth.k39 said:
Battery 3300 is very bad for a 6.28 inch screen.
Knowing the release of op 6, I bought pixel 2 xl very recently (slightly higher price paid than avengers edition of op6). OP camera software often so bad that we end up waiting and using gcam mods.
Camera, Battery life and display are better in pixel 2 xl.
Oneplus forum is a war zone no courtesy shown by many. Ofcourse we could use xda for it though.
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3300 is fine and will actually yield great battery life because
1. The screen is still 1080p
2. SD 845 will be more efficient
I'm most likely getting one, but definitely keeping my 2 XL. The camera, as well as my current setup (Stock+Root+Flash Kernel+Xposed w/ GravityBox) is absolutely perfect for me.
Not to mention the amazing camera on the 2 XL! I'm sure the 6's camera will be great, but I doubt it will beat the 2 XL.
So all-in-all, I'll have both! If the camera performs at least close to the 2 XL, and when development picks up, then I'd probably consider selling my 2 XL down the road and using the 6 as my daily driver - at least until the Pixel 3 comes out lol

NO!

No. OnePlus is an awful company.

No, im not going back to oneplus .

From my personal experience: anyone coming from a OP to a Pixel will not buy another OP.
Yes, it has great specs, but try to profile the GPU and trace the dropped frames on every single screen and then compare to a Pixel. Having the latest SOC and a 20MP+16MP camera. 8GB of Ram... all that means little when their software is an absolute mess and has basically 0 polish.
This might be an odd sentence but here's the bottom line:
You're paying 550€ for a phone that has the specs of a 850€ phone but getting the performance of a 550€ phone. That's why it doesn't cost 850€: you're not getting the same experience you get on a Pixel and it's not even remotely close.

Question is why would i?
Sent from my Google Pixel 2 XL using XDA Labs

rickysidhu_ said:
3300 is fine and will actually yield great battery life because
1. The screen is still 1080p
2. SD 845 will be more efficient
I'm most likely getting one, but definitely keeping my 2 XL. The camera, as well as my current setup (Stock+Root+Flash Kernel+Xposed w/ GravityBox) is absolutely perfect for me.
Not to mention the amazing camera on the 2 XL! I'm sure the 6's camera will be great, but I doubt it will beat the 2 XL.
So all-in-all, I'll have both! If the camera performs at least close to the 2 XL, and when development picks up, then I'd probably consider selling my 2 XL down the road and using the 6 as my daily driver - at least until the Pixel 3 comes out lol
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Nice.
I was the owner of OP 5T before as daily driver.
I was very less options left at that time coming from iphone to android. I have more restrictions, I needed phone with work profile (so rooting has to be given up). I badly needed a dual aim for daily driver. S8+ fingerprint placement I hated. So chose OP5T. Camera software was very bad the default one. Tired of exploring multiple gcam modes etc... The famous oil painting effect on pics has not been resolved for months on 5T when I owned.
My current set up is S9+ as daily driver (work phone) just because of dual sim support. Keeping pixel 2 XL as secondary one (most of my personal use occasional work email check) Neither Pixel nor iphone can become my primary until dual sim versions released though with my restrictions.

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Nice.
I was the owner of OP 5T before as daily driver.
I was very less options left at that time coming from iphone to android. I have more restrictions, I needed phone with work profile (so rooting has to be given up). I badly needed a dual aim for daily driver. S8+ fingerprint placement I hated. So chose OP5T. Camera software was very bad the default one. Tired of exploring multiple gcam modes etc... The famous oil painting effect on pics has not been resolved for months on 5T when I owned.
My current set up is S9+ as daily driver (work phone) just because of dual sim support. Keeping pixel 2 XL as secondary one (most of my personal use occasional work email check) Neither Pixel nor iphone can become my primary until dual sim versions released though with my restrictions.
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Yeah I didn't like my 5T when I had it. Sold it very quickly. My 5 on the other hand was strangely better, even though it came before the 5T.
I also was not happy about the camera issues like you mentioned + the vibration motor felt very cheap.
I like how much custom development is available for those devices, which is a big reason why I'm most likely going to buy it and just switch between my 2 XL and that whenever I feel like it.
I've never had Samsungs though but if it's treating you well, why not continue using it

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Yes, it has great specs, but try to profile the GPU and trace the dropped frames on every single screen and then compare to a Pixel. Having the latest SOC and a 20MP+16MP camera. 8GB of Ram... all that means little when their software is an absolute mess and has basically 0 polish.
You're paying 550€ for a phone that has the specs of a 850€ phone but getting the performance of a 550€ phone. That's why it doesn't cost 850€: you're not getting the same experience you get on a Pixel and it's not even remotely close.
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I said this on a portal discussion regarding the release of the 5T, and it bears repeating here. For a company with "Never Settle" as its slogan, OnePlus does an awful lot of "settling", i.e. compromising, on the most important part [the display] of a smartphone. The display was why the OP5T never factored into my buying choices. The OP6 isn't any better, as it's still not quad HD like on flagship devices. So for yet another year OnePlus will simply be a pretender to the throne.
If OnePlus really wants to play with the big boys, they need to stop compromising and go all out. Make a product that will truly knock people's socks off.

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Yeah I didn't like my 5T when I had it. Sold it very quickly. My 5 on the other hand was strangely better, even though it came before the 5T.
I also was not happy about the camera issues like you mentioned + the vibration motor felt very cheap.
I like how much custom development is available for those devices, which is a big reason why I'm most likely going to buy it and just switch between my 2 XL and that whenever I feel like it.
I've never had Samsungs though but if it's treating you well, why not continue using it
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Due to no dual sim support, I had to live with samsung. S9+ has better camera, beauty and display though battery life is worse compare to pixel 2 xl even with full hd+ we all know it is due to bloatware services/apps.
Heard rumours that Apple is also considering dual sim versions for next iPhone, hope google do consider dual sim versions.
By the way I did try huawei honor v10 and 20 pro. Unfortunately work profile issues and bad support made me avoid them completely.

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and liars. I got OP5 and returned, because camera was terrible, but they talked about "clearer photos". They lied in performance test.....for me they bad reputation company

FrankBullitt said:
From my personal experience: anyone coming from a OP to a Pixel will not buy another OP.
Yes, it has great specs, but try to profile the GPU and trace the dropped frames on every single screen and then compare to a Pixel. Having the latest SOC and a 20MP+16MP camera. 8GB of Ram... all that means little when their software is an absolute mess and has basically 0 polish.
This might be an odd sentence but here's the bottom line:
You're paying 550€ for a phone that has the specs of a 850€ phone but getting the performance of a 550€ phone. That's why it doesn't cost 850€: you're not getting the same experience you get on a Pixel and it's not even remotely close.
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Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
I said this on a portal discussion regarding the release of the 5T, and it bears repeating here. For a company with "Never Settle" as its slogan, OnePlus does an awful lot of "settling", i.e. compromising, on the most important part [the display] of a smartphone. The display was why the OP5T never factored into my buying choices. The OP6 isn't any better, as it's still not quad HD like on flagship devices. So for yet another year OnePlus will simply be a pretender to the throne.
If OnePlus really wants to play with the big boys, they need to stop compromising and go all out. Make a product that will truly knock people's socks off.
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Frank: The OnePlus 5T was the fastest phone on the market until the S9+ came out and gave it a run for its money. Then the 6 came out and it is now the fastest/best performing device on the market. And OxygenOS is amazing, clean, and adds useful features (like face unlock that's actually good). Plus OnePlus added in over 200 optimizations to make it even better. Look it up. There are tons of videos to prove it's faster and smoother. Your comment has no grounds.
Strephon: How can you say anything about the display of a phone when defending the Pixel 2 XL? It literally had a huge scandal, and still isn't fixed. The normal resolution gives it an edge in battery life, and overall performance. The 27" monitor I'm typing this on is 1080p and at 2 feet away is no issue. You're telling me a 6 inch phone with that resolution is a problem? Plus the Amoled OnePlus uses is much better quality compared to the Pixel's lackluster LG panel. I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from the Pixel forum, but come on, lose the blinders, people.

Had 3 devices from OP so far (OPO, OP5 and OP5T) and still use them but not going to get another one anymore. Why? Because Pixel devices is what suits me the best... top hardware with top software.

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Strephon: How can you say anything about the display of a phone when defending the Pixel 2 XL? It literally had a huge scandal, and still isn't fixed. The normal resolution gives it an edge in battery life, and overall performance. The 27" monitor I'm typing this on is 1080p and at 2 feet away is no issue. You're telling me a 6 inch phone with that resolution is a problem? Plus the Amoled OnePlus uses is much better quality compared to the Pixel's lackluster LG panel. I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from the Pixel forum, but come on, lose the blinders, people.
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The quoted post above is sponsored by OnePlus, where "Never Settle" is an oxymoron.
You mentioned us P2XL owners having blinders on when nothing could be further from the truth. While we may have unwanted press over non-issues such as blue shifting and color profiles, at least our devices were assembled with the screens pointed in the right direction, unlike the OP5T.
Ignoring the fact that people rarely view their devices at the extreme angles required for the blue shift to be noticeable, the phenomenon is inherent in ALL AMOLED displays. My Galaxy S4 has it. My Nexus 6 has it. My P2XL has it. Of the three the S4, having an early AMOLED screen, has blue shift to a greater degree than either my Nexus 6 or my P2XL.
The only reason blue shift and the color profile were even mentioned is to drive page views. As for the color profile non-issue, I use the original color profile and not the boosted or saturated modes. No problems here, and in fact I enjoy the color accuracy.
OnePlus having a FHD screen is not a problem if you're not used to anything else. But a flagship device has a QHD display, period. What OnePlus has done here is what they have always done: compromise. When they stop, perhaps then we'll take notice.

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Frank: The OnePlus 5T was the fastest phone on the market until the S9+ came out and gave it a run for its money. Then the 6 came out and it is now the fastest/best performing device on the market. And OxygenOS is amazing, clean, and adds useful features (like face unlock that's actually good). Plus OnePlus added in over 200 optimizations to make it even better. Look it up. There are tons of videos to prove it's faster and smoother. Your comment has no grounds.
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Yes, my comments have no ground.
https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/co...soon_discontinuing_development_i_wont/dyi9wh0
It's not just the camera; everything on the Pixel 2 is way, way more polished than anything that OnePlus (and I on my own) could ever make.
As much as I hate to admit it, my custom ROMs can't touch the stock ROM on the Pixel 2 in terms of polish and performance. Lately I've been doing more scientific performance assessments on Android (for the sake of research with a professor at my university), instead of just using the phone and thinking, "Seems good to me!," and the results I pulled off the Pixel 2 absolutely crush the results I pulled from stock LineageOS 15.1 on the 3T. It is very difficult to get frame drops while playing with the Pixel 2, whereas I instantly recorded frame drops galore on the 3T. This has been a bit of a wakeup call to me in that I need to reevaluate my ideology and follow a more scientific strategy in optimizing Android on a phone (i.e., using the dozens of test suites Google has built for Android). The bugs that bother users the most are the ones that tend to happen a small percentage of the time (like random reboots), and the Pixel 2 has clearly been optimized to the point where most of those rare bugs are nonexistent (e.g., frames are rarely dropped).
When I ran one of Google's UI performance test apps on the Pixel 2 against my LineageOS 14.1 ROM on the 3T, my ROM dropped frames nonstop (according to this tool) while the Pixel 2 dropped zero frames...
Deep down, I'm a kernel developer and that's where I excel. I'd rather stick to what I know (and enjoy) with kernel hacking and leave the pain of polishing userspace to Google's army of engineers.
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You were saying something about oneplus, weren't you?
I owned oneplus phones, I owned Nexus, I own a Pixel2XL. Tell me about daily performance again, please.

H932 t-mobile v30/v30+ owners....

T-Mobile has really cracked down on our ability to root our phones. I'm not sure if I'll be willing to go with a TMO LG once again simply because they have made things very difficult for us.
Next time I will go with an unlocked phone but unfortunately a lot of the unlocked phones may or may not have all the bands that T-Mobile uses. The international unlocked version of the lgv30 allegedly have the capability of using 600 megahertz but to my knowledge no one has actually succeeded in testing that alleged ability out.
The new OnePlus phones do have the 600 megahertz ability which is nice but OnePlus phones in my opinion do not offer all the bells and whistles that a Samsung Galaxy S9 or an LG v30 plus has to offer.
LG has certainly disappointed me with their international version not by default having 600 megahertz. And T-Mobile has definitely disappointed me by controlling what a bought outright phone owner can do with their phone.

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T-Mobile has really cracked down on our ability to root our phones. I'm not sure if I'll be willing to go with a TMO LG once again simply because they have made things very difficult for us.
Next time I will go with an unlocked phone but unfortunately a lot of the unlocked phones may or may not have all the bands that T-Mobile uses. The international unlocked version of the lgv30 allegedly have the capability of using 600 megahertz but to my knowledge no one has actually succeeded in testing that alleged ability out.
The new OnePlus phones do have the 600 megahertz ability which is nice but OnePlus phones in my opinion do not offer all the bells and whistles that a Samsung Galaxy S9 or an LG v30 plus has to offer.
LG has certainly disappointed me with their international version not by default having 600 megahertz. And T-Mobile has definitely disappointed me by controlling what a bought outright phone owner can do with their phone.
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Well. My OnePlus 6 has all the bells and whistles I need like bottom mounted headphone jack, flat screen (not curved edges), unlocked bootloader with official TWRP, regular updates (treble support), equalizer for headphone jack (something that is a huge let down on my V30), very low amount of bloatware, stock android (mostly), notification toggle slider key, amazing battery life, immense performance, dual SIM option since I have 4 active SIM cards, 8gb RAM/128gb storage, insanely strong network connections via WiFi (490mbps) & LTE (125mbps at times) including a great connection in underground train stations, great GPS, Android 8.1 instead of buggy/laggy 8.0, and mostly everything else I use. I can't think of anything the V30 has that I need that the OnePlus 6 doesn't. Sure wireless charging, but I've used it once 7months ago for 9minutes. Dash charging is crazy fast!
It's just too bad that LG won't update the V30 & G6 with Treble support, I mean OnePlus just pushed treble support to older devices! LOL
Sucks I have to stop being an LG "fanboy" but I'm done buying carrier flagships now. But the v30 is still really good.
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Well. My OnePlus 6 has all the bells and whistles I need like bottom mounted headphone jack, flat screen (not curved edges), unlocked bootloader with official TWRP, regular updates (treble support), equalizer for headphone jack (something that is a huge let down on my V30), very low amount of bloatware, stock android (mostly), notification toggle slider key, amazing battery life, immense performance, dual SIM option since I have 4 active SIM cards, 8gb RAM/128gb storage, insanely strong network connections via WiFi (490mbps) & LTE (125mbps at times) including a great connection in underground train stations, great GPS, Android 8.1 instead of buggy/laggy 8.0, and mostly everything else I use. I can't think of anything the V30 has that I need that the OnePlus 6 doesn't. Sure wireless charging, but I've used it once 7months ago for 9minutes. Dash charging is crazy fast!
It's just too bad that LG won't update the V30 & G6 with Treble support, I mean OnePlus just pushed treble support to older devices! LOL
Sucks I have to stop being an LG "fanboy" but I'm done buying carrier flagships now. But the v30 is still really good.
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But no QHD display, no Qi wireless charging, no IP68 waterproofing.
I detest OnePlus almost as much as Apple because they won't give customers premium features. At least Apple finally gave users Qi wireless charging -- but OnePlus won't. Apple at least gives IP67.
I'm also not going to dump all my QuickCharge chargers for proprietary Dash chargers.
I also don't like that the often cheat at benchmarks tests.
I would buy Samsung before OnePlus, in that they have QHD display, Qi wireless charging, IP68, etc. They're a real premium phone, like LG.

ChazzMatt said:
But no QHD display, no Qi wireless charging.
I detest OnePlus almost as much as Apple because they won't give customers premium features. At least Apple finally gave users Qi wireless charging -- but OnePlus won't.
I'm also not going to dump all my QuickCharge chargers for proprietary Dash chargers.
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Wireless charging has no use for me as I've used it for less than 10min of my entire life.
And larger than 1080p doesn't matter on a screen less than 62 inches.
All OEMs cheat on benchmark, they just push to max settings. No biggie.
My V30 charger chsrges my OP6 faster than it charges my V30. You don't NEED to use dash charger at all, people that say and think so are idiots and you shouldn't listen to them! Yes dash is faster in comparison but quick charge works just fine.
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Also like to agree that OnePlus isn't at the 'premium' level yet.
Returned my op6 to keep v30.
V30 screen is better and supports daydream
Size is better for me op6 is a hair to big.
Prefer no notch
Vibrate motor is the op6 is Mickey mouse
LTE radio is the same as sd845 in v30
I think the v30 camera is better and op6 has two cameras but no wide angle which makes no sense
Op is making strides but they're not there yet. When I returned the device I told them I'd pay $200 more for $200 more phone.
I'm thinking that in October pixel 3 will be the phone to beat. If not, I'll wait till 2019 with v30

Bacon612 were you able to listen to music thru wired earbuds on the op6? If so could you comment on the audio quality between the V30 and the op6 please?
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Bacon612 were you able to listen to music thru wired earbuds on the op6? If so could you comment on the audio quality between the V30 and the op6 please?
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I didn't get a chance to, no. I used it as a daily with root for about a week and a half. Received my v30 during that time (for $325) and it was a no brainier deciding which one to keep for me.

Bought a 6 which arrives tomorrow so I'll put it thru it's paces. I do like my V30 but I also love root and flashing ROMs and the fact that my T-Mobile V30 is still locked down with no solution for it in the near future is frustrating.
Thanks for taking the time to reply bud.
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Many good points raised here. I really like my v30 plus. Even tho it's stock, it's the best phone I've had thus far.
Time will tell what's next.
I'd like to sample an OP6 but they aren't found in local stores. It's almost a leap of faith if you don't know anyone that owns one, where you can actually experience it.

bacon612 said:
Also like to agree that OnePlus isn't at the 'premium' level yet.
Returned my op6 to keep v30.
V30 screen is better and supports daydream
Size is better for me op6 is a hair to big.
Prefer no notch
Vibrate motor is the op6 is Mickey mouse
LTE radio is the same as sd845 in v30
I think the v30 camera is better and op6 has two cameras but no wide angle which makes no sense
Op is making strides but they're not there yet. When I returned the device I told them I'd pay $200 more for $200 more phone.
I'm thinking that in October pixel 3 will be the phone to beat. If not, I'll wait till 2019 with v30
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Agreed the vibration is way too intense on the OP6. I hate it, but lowered it with the kernel I use.
V30 has great camera. OP6 has a significantly better camera than the G7, but I've only spent about a week with the G7 so far.
I use my v30 for daydream also, since it came with the daydream viewer.
The, "notch" actually no longer bothers me since I don't form opinions based on the bandwagon internet haters of it. At this point I kinda like it. Before having the OP6 I was one of the idiotic masses who viewed it as a piece of the bezel overlapping the screen, when in reality it's the complete opposite. Theres actually 2 parts of the screen overlapping the bezel. Basically making the speaker, LED, & Camera part of the status bar, so basically the status bar s part of the bezel, giving more screen availability to the user.
But to each their own.
I'm just finished with companies that void warranty for unlocking the Bootloader or rooting and lock me out of having root.
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Bacon612 were you able to listen to music thru wired earbuds on the op6? If so could you comment on the audio quality between the V30 and the op6 please?
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I know you're not asking me. But i have both phones in my hand as i type this.
V30 sounds good, very clear. However, the top mounted headphone jack ruins.the entire usage of headphones while mobile.
Another thing about the v30 is that for some stupid reason, they decided to not include an equalizer for the headphone jack (DAC) Which I believe the V10, V20, & G7 do include.
I'm a bass head and NEED the heavy bass in my headphones.
For this, and this is my preference, the OP6 definitely has better sound in earbuds due to the equalizer.
Plus, the OnePlus headphones are 24ohm impedance which make them sound great in the v30 also.
Whereas the LG/B&O earbuds are complete garbage especially for $150.
For earbuds, OnePlus 6 wins.
For driven speakers and extrenal powered sound systems, the V30 kills it due to the immense clarity of the DAC.
The OP6 may not be B&O tuned but surely does have a great quality sound driver!
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I used to feel strongly about having the ability to root, but in recent years it's become less important to me. Possibly because I moved away from bloated Samsung phones (S6 was last) and I discovered Package Disabler app (for Samsung and LG phones). I'm grateful T-Mobile phones have less bloat than Verizon, Sprint, and AT&T versions. Unfortunately T-Mobile phones are usually the last to receive major OS updates.
In regards to the OP6, no wireless charging, no waterproof, and no wide-angle camera are deal breakers for me.

Well after playing with the OP6 the last few days looks like I'm selling my V30. I do see where both phones have their pros and cons but overall I like the 6. The only gripe I had when I first got the phone was the slight difference in the resolution on the display and the sound when listening to music thru my earbuds. But after tweaking the eq to my liking it sounds great. I don't even notice the display anymore since the difference is so minimal. The major plus for me is the huge dev community behind the 6 and looking forward to all tweaks and improvements that go along with that.
Thanks to everyone who took the time to chime in here. Your input was much appreciated.
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