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Hi,
I have a Xperia Play R800i currently on stock ROM/Kernel (Clockworkmod and root).
I am currently considering moving to custom Kernel and one ICS Rom, especially now that the touchpads are apparently fully functionnal.
However, I have some questions related to how I am used to use my phone.
I basically use my phone for three things :
1. standard phone functions (messages, receiving and calling...)
2. some internet search
3. gaming
Apart from that, I use a few apps like a calendar, some pdf reader, camera on the go and so on...
But I do not use to go for full multitasking.
So, first concern :
I understood so far that ICS roms were enabling greater multitasking but that game performance could be altered (broken games in ICS and Sony concern of the gaming performance leading to the official Sony ICS rom to be frozen).
Anyone has a clear answer on this ? Does ICS Rom give a boost to gaming ?
Now, second concern :
Regarding the custom Kernel, I read various things going from the "Hey, that's the greatest thing on earth!" to the "What a battery drainer!".
I also read some complaints on the fact that even if the cpu can be properly overclocked, the gpu overclocking is extremely limited at the moment.
Therefore, is it useful to overclock ?
Does it give such a boost in overall performance and in gaming performance ?
I can fully understand that emulation is certainly boosted up by overclocking but can we really feel the difference on gpu intensive games like Dead Trigger for example ? As the gpu is not overclocked, is there any benefit on such games ?
I am pretty sure some of these questions are already answered some way or the other in this forum but it seems I was not able to find any specific thread on the subject.
Hopefully, some of you will have clear answers for me.
Thanks a lot in advance, guys,
Melidian said:
Hi,
I have a Xperia Play R800i currently on stock ROM/Kernel (Clockworkmod and root).
I am currently considering moving to custom Kernel and one ICS Rom, especially now that the touchpads are apparently fully functionnal.
However, I have some questions related to how I am used to use my phone.
I basically use my phone for three things :
1. standard phone functions (messages, receiving and calling...)
2. some internet search
3. gaming
Apart from that, I use a few apps like a calendar, some pdf reader, camera on the go and so on...
But I do not use to go for full multitasking.
So, first concern :
I understood so far that ICS roms were enabling greater multitasking but that game performance could be altered (broken games in ICS and Sony concern of the gaming performance leading to the official Sony ICS rom to be frozen).
Anyone has a clear answer on this ? Does ICS Rom give a boost to gaming ?
Now, second concern :
Regarding the custom Kernel, I read various things going from the "Hey, that's the greatest thing on earth!" to the "What a battery drainer!".
I also read some complaints on the fact that even if the cpu can be properly overclocked, the gpu overclocking is extremely limited at the moment.
Therefore, is it useful to overclock ?
Does it give such a boost in overall performance and in gaming performance ?
I can fully understand that emulation is certainly boosted up by overclocking but can we really feel the difference on gpu intensive games like Dead Trigger for example ? As the gpu is not overclocked, is there any benefit on such games ?
I am pretty sure some of these questions are already answered some way or the other in this forum but it seems I was not able to find any specific thread on the subject.
Hopefully, some of you will have clear answers for me.
Thanks a lot in advance, guys,
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Overclocking on ics for me doesnt make a difference in gaming performance/emulation or using everyday apps. Big battery drain on ics rather than stock gb. Clearly ics is not made for the xperia play because of its specs. ICS is tailored for the higher end phones. Stock gb is the way to go.
Thanks for your answer,
Before I decide to unlock my bootloader (I still have 1 year of warranty so far...), I will try to apply the various XPeria Play tweaks, get the V6 Supercharger script to work and remove bloatware with the Aroma bloatware remover.
This may help...
You confirmed that ICS ROMs may be so useful so far. They may come up smoother later on and it seems Sony is working on a Jelly Bean ROM for Xperia Play. So, wait and see !
Regarding the overclocking, as the gpu can not be overclocked so far, I will not mess with this at the moment.
I am just wondering if a custom kernel coming with improved Adreno 205 gpu drivers may give a speed boost, even without overclocking...
Cheers,
Melidian said:
Thanks for your answer,
Before I decide to unlock my bootloader (I still have 1 year of warranty so far...), I will try to apply the various XPeria Play tweaks, get the V6 Supercharger script to work and remove bloatware with the Aroma bloatware remover.
This may help...
You confirmed that ICS ROMs may be so useful so far. They may come up smoother later on and it seems Sony is working on a Jelly Bean ROM for Xperia Play. So, wait and see !
Regarding the overclocking, as the gpu can not be overclocked so far, I will not mess with this at the moment.
I am just wondering if a custom kernel coming with improved Adreno 205 gpu drivers may give a speed boost, even without overclocking...
Cheers,
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Let me cut to the chase no matter what you do use v6, adreno gpu drivers, overclocking or whatever you didnt list.By using ICS there will always be lag on some if not most applications as I said so before ICS will never beat GB. Where are your sources? Sony just confirmed they wont be making Jb on the 2011 line devices.
Well, it seems I got false hope from previous Sony statements.
They said no ICS, then one spoke-person said not JB, then Sony came back saying they are currently investigating JB implementation on all there 2011 Xperia phones (where I got stuck...) and they just recently announced that JB was simply dished away but they would follow up the 2011 products with firmware maintenance...
http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/10/19/sony-mobile-confirms-2011-xperia-devices-will-not-get-jelly-bean
So, it seems you are right and my sources were simply outdated... That's a real pity in terms of marketing communication.
I can understand the 2011 phones may not be powerful enough to allow for ICS or JB but Sony just created some false hope for nothing and this could have been avoided.
Coming back to the subject, there is one point I did not understand properly.
I fully understood your position regarding ICS on Xperia Play. No way to get it 100% perfect whatever we do. That's fine.
Now, would you recommend GB custom roms and all the v6 + overclock + tweak + all I don't know at the moment to get a smoother, faster experience and gaming performance ?
Or do you consider that even under GB based roms and kernels, the Xperia Play performance does not make a difference big enough to justify risking the warranty (especially unlocking the bootloader) ?
Thanks in advance for your feedback, you've pointed very interesting points so far :good:
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Well, it seems I got false hope from previous Sony statements.
They said no ICS, then one spoke-person said not JB, then Sony came back saying they are currently investigating JB implementation on all there 2011 Xperia phones (where I got stuck...) and they just recently announced that JB was simply dished away but they would follow up the 2011 products with firmware maintenance...
http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/10/19/sony-mobile-confirms-2011-xperia-devices-will-not-get-jelly-bean/http://
So, it seems you are right and my sources were simply outdated... That's a real pity in terms of marketing communication.
I can understand the 2011 phones may not be powerful enough to allow for ICS or JB but Sony just created some false hope for nothing and this could have been avoided.
Coming back to the subject, there is one point I did not understand properly.
I fully understood your position regarding ICS on Xperia Play. No way to get it 100% perfect whatever we do. That's fine.
Now, would you recommend GB custom roms and all the v6 + overclock + tweak + all I don't know at the moment to get a smoother, faster experience and gaming performance ?
Or do you consider that even under GB based roms and kernels, the Xperia Play performance does not make a difference big enough to justify risking the warranty (especially unlocking the bootloader) ?
Thanks in advance for your feedback, you've pointed very interesting points so far :good:
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Might want to fix that link there. As for your question about custom GB roms/kernels, I personally believe it's worth it. The performance gains from Linaro-compiled kernels (such as DooMKerneL or LuPuS-GB) more than justifies it in my eyes.
Ok.
Many people are focusing on NXT v1.3 custom rom.
I may have a try on that one later on with DoomKernel.
PS : link fixed by the way...
use this one :
very nice ,very fast :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1903985
it don't need any exaggeration , belive me , just flash it
Faux123 recently posted a thread releasing his custom kernel for the N1, but for a not-so mobile/linux savvy person like myself I don't have a great deal of knowledge on kernels, or what it adds/does.
What are the advantages or even disadvantages of using a custom kernel, like Faux? Does it save battery, or does it allow for overclocking? Like, what are the capabilities of using custom kernels over stock?
I'm currently on CM11 nightlies.
Any information is appreciated, and thanks in advance!
First I would read the changelog linked in the thread. Then after reading through, you should Google what each item means if you aren't familiar with it (A lot of them are noted as to what they do).
I would not suggest flashing a custom kernel if you aren't sure about how it can help your phone, and what risks you might be facing.
Always research before flashing something new, especially a kernel. :highfive:
Harfainx said:
First I would read the changelog linked in the thread. Then after reading through, you should Google what each item means if you aren't familiar with it (A lot of them are noted as to what they do).
I would not suggest flashing a custom kernel if you aren't sure about how it can help your phone, and what risks you might be facing.
Always research before flashing something new, especially a kernel. :highfive:
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Yeah I wouldn't flash something unless I know what it did. On my previous phone (HTC Sensation) I had a few custom kernels flashed with the ROMs i used but other than that I have no experience with kernels.
I have read the changelog, and I can see what most of the items do, but specifically I have no idea. Reading through there are options to overclock/change voltage and increase or decrease battery life depending on profiles and governors used.
Overall I was wondering if it is worth flashing for a medium user. I'm not a developer, but i'm also not an avid mobile gamer. I mainly use internet, social apps and SMS, but don't like slowing of devices. Would the custom kernel be able to prolong battery life (or give other great advantages) while still maintaining the extremely fast response that N1 has already?
IAmOmicron said:
Overall I was wondering if it is worth flashing for a medium user. I'm not a developer, but i'm also not an avid mobile gamer. I mainly use internet, social apps and SMS, but don't like slowing of devices. Would the custom kernel be able to prolong battery life (or give other great advantages) while still maintaining the extremely fast response that N1 has already?
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You might get some battery life improvements by changing some voltages to decrease the power used. It shouldn't impact the performance if it's a mild change.
How many of you are running stock? Would you like a custom kernel with optimizations, governors, schedulers and overclocking/undervolting? Would anyone use it if I released one? If so, what governors and schedulers would you like to see?
Thanks!
Personally, I love running stock. I would definitely like to see a kernel that focuses on battery saving.
Please release the kernel. This phone needs some overclock
I'm going to wait until Nougat source is released to build a stock kernel since I was accepted into the Beta.
A custom kernel for Nougat would push me even closer to the already close edge that is my wallet.
This phone seriously looks attractive for the ~$160 asking price on Newegg/Amazon. Coming from a Nexus 5/Spare GS4, I'm used to really poor battery life and average performance.
I'm currently eyeing the Moto G4 and the Robin. The Robin is much more powerful, but doesn't have a replaceable battery and has a much smaller battery (technically the G4's battery isn't replaceable but it can be done fairly easily). There's also this business with Razer, which isn't too big of an issue as I normally stick with custom ROMs (and stock is getting quite a few updates in the future).
Both are in the high ~$160-200 range. Any input? If the Robin's battery is somehow replaceable that would be amazing, and I'd like an OEM supplier.
negusp said:
A custom kernel for Nougat would push me even closer to the already close edge that is my wallet.
This phone seriously looks attractive for the ~$160 asking price on Newegg/Amazon. Coming from a Nexus 5/Spare GS4, I'm used to really poor battery life and average performance.
I'm currently eyeing the Moto G4 and the Robin. The Robin is much more powerful, but doesn't have a replaceable battery and has a much smaller battery (technically the G4's battery isn't replaceable but it can be done fairly easily). There's also this business with Razer, which isn't too big of an issue as I normally stick with custom ROMs (and stock is getting quite a few updates in the future).
Both are in the high ~$160-200 range. Any input? If the Robin's battery is somehow replaceable that would be amazing, and I'd like an OEM supplier.
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It would also be amazing to see some voltage control to control the beast of an 808.
There will be a custom kernel available in the near future for AOSP/Omni on the Robin. It is currently being tested ? and so far it's showing quite a bit of promise.
Some features it'll include are efficient hotplugging, optimized CPU governors, a new I/O scheduler and much more.. Based on Electron Kernel for the Nexus 6p by @frap129
nexbit robin has volte support any one test ??????
variravitejareddy said:
nexbit robin has volte support any one test ??????
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I know for T-Mobile US yes but idk for where you are at.
Saythis said:
There will be a custom kernel available in the near future for AOSP/Omni on the Robin. It is currently being tested and so far it's showing quite a bit of promise.
Some features it'll include are efficient hotplugging, optimized CPU governors, a new I/O scheduler and much more.. Based on Electron Kernel for the Nexus 6p by @frap129
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If you need a tester, I would love to help.
Saythis said:
There will be a custom kernel available in the near future for AOSP/Omni on the Robin. It is currently being tested ? and so far it's showing quite a bit of promise.
Some features it'll include are efficient hotplugging, optimized CPU governors, a new I/O scheduler and much more.. Based on Electron Kernel for the Nexus 6p by @frap129
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Any news on the electron kernel?
Saythis said:
There will be a custom kernel available in the near future for AOSP/Omni on the Robin. It is currently being tested ? and so far it's showing quite a bit of promise.
Some features it'll include are efficient hotplugging, optimized CPU governors, a new I/O scheduler and much more.. Based on Electron Kernel for the Nexus 6p by @frap129
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Updates?
xBane_ said:
Updates?
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Seems to be dead
Nope not dead. You can get weekly builds from here https://github.com/frap129/ether-weeklies
sykomaniac said:
Nope not dead. You can get weekly builds from here https://github.com/frap129/ether-weeklies
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Is the kernel only compatible with Omni?
crian said:
Is the kernel only compatible with Omni?
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The latest weekly build doesn't boot with Omni 7.1.2, so I'm not sure.
I believe the kernel is meant for Nextbit OS 7.0, not for custom roms. Not sure though.
Sent from my Robin using XDA
bmccoy11 said:
The latest weekly build doesn't boot with Omni 7.1.2, so I'm not sure.
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So dirty flashing back to the latest Omni 7.1.1 build and then flashing the kernel should allow get the phone to boot?
Working on trying to get it to boot don't worry guys
sykomaniac said:
Working on trying to get it to boot don't worry guys
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I tried going back to the latest 7.1.1 build and couldn't get it to boot, so I gave up. Can you give updates in the future?
I was wondering something, why there's no custom kernels for this device? (Not counting the ones made to fix the f2fs thing)
I mean, I came from Nexus devices and I remeber XDA being full of super custom kernels that would make my device four times faster, coulder, and battery friendly with CPU and GPU overclocks, optimized toolchains and a lot of buzzwords (I hope you see the irony here).
But really, just by curiosity, today there's no more interest in this kind of thing?
Maybe because stock is already very good but most probably because no developer interested to make it.
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i want to overclock and water cool my poco f3 and I need some help since I’m still a beginner , what is the fastest ROM on the poco f3 that’s goona give you the best performance in games and still has play store and what custom kernel should I use with it that will give you the best performance and has overclocking and voltage tuning for both cpu and gpu and an app that can do that and remove the thermal threshold since I’m going to watercool it ? also can the pass through charging features that’s available on the rog phones be implemented via a custom kernel and an app to unlock fps limit on games locked at 30 or 60 to 90 or 120 and further tweak the ingame settings and finally can you unlock the max brightness of the poco f3 even when it’s not on direct sunlight ? Sorry for all this questions but you don’t have to answer all of them , any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you !
if you want the best performance, you'll need:
Adreno drivers 615v3
A650+ lyb config
overlock konabess config
thermal no junk
All in a telegram channel called Adreno GPUs & Konabess Support Group
About custom roms, most or all the custom roms here are either AOSP, Xiaomi EU skins.
Personally, i hate AOSP, its too bland compared to MIUI.
I always get buggy vibes from xiaomi eu.
About custom kernels, personally from my experience with custom kernels, whatever kernels you use, whatever the kernel developer says, there will always be bugs and issues. So, I stick with stock.
3zozHashim said:
if you want the best performance, you'll need:
Adreno drivers 615v3
A650+ lyb config
overlock konabess config
thermal no junk
All in a telegram channel called Adreno GPUs & Konabess Support Group
About custom roms, most or all the custom roms here are either AOSP, Xiaomi EU skins.
Personally, i hate AOSP, its too bland compared to MIUI.
I always get buggy vibes from xiaomi eu.
About custom kernels, personally from my experience with custom kernels, whatever kernels you use, whatever the kernel developer says, there will always be bugs and issues. So, I stick with stock.
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Can you still overclock and get the best performance without a custom kernel ? Or will a custom kernel and os will give you better performance even though it’s buggy?
Jack 177 said:
Can you still overclock and get the best performance without a custom kernel ? Or will a custom kernel and os will give you better performance even though it’s buggy?
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Honestly stock or pure aosp is the best bet when it comes to pulling out the most performance...
By aosp I mean pure GSI image, but it it's not stable enough for daily use + you'd have to figure out how to tell kernel to ramp up the performance , I have a guide on fixing GSI just to make it usable but it's far from fully working... Best bet is to ditch GSI image altogether and start building from source, if you have any experience try looking into that. If not get arrow os and it should be as close to stock as possible.
Hentai os is mentioned a lot as a good ROM, but it's not open source fully
Tell me more about how you plan to watercool your phone
I'm looking to do something similar as well
You want to check first how far konabess will overclock, if it's up to 683mhz and not a single bit higher might be a good idea to ditch watercooling and start looking for a motherboard swap.
Earlies batch could overclock past 683mhz into the 900-1000mhz range, that's insane performance boost and prolly worth spending money on instead of trying to cool a locked chip... Check adreno group for more info on how to check CPU version
Rstment ^m^ said:
Tell me more about how you plan to watercool your phone
I'm looking to do something similar as well
You want to check first how far konabess will overclock, if it's up to 683mhz and not a single bit higher might be a good idea to ditch watercooling and start looking for a motherboard swap.
Earlies batch could overclock past 683mhz into the 900-1000mhz range, that's insane performance boost and prolly worth spending money on instead of trying to cool a locked chip... Check adreno group for more info on how to check CPU version
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Thank you ! that’s what I’m trying to find out , if it doesn’t overclock past 683 MHz watercooling is just unnecessary
I plan on removing the back of the phone and using this block :
than attaching a single fan radiator and a fan , I still haven’t figure out about the tubes and how to attach the block to the phone :\
my question now : is the 865 the last mobile soc that can be overclocked and what about the cpu can you overclocked it as well ? Thanks !
my chip is locked to 683, so, i only overclocked to 683 and i am on stock rom and stock kernel
All the bullets i wrote earlier can be done on stock rom and stock kernel
3zozHashim said:
if you want the best performance, you'll need:
Adreno drivers 615v3
A650+ lyb config
overlock konabess config
thermal no junk
All in a telegram channel called Adreno GPUs & Konabess Support Group
About custom roms, most or all the custom roms here are either AOSP, Xiaomi EU skins.
Personally, i hate AOSP, its too bland compared to MIUI.
I always get buggy vibes from xiaomi eu.
About custom kernels, personally from my experience with custom kernels, whatever kernels you use, whatever the kernel developer says, there will always be bugs and issues. So, I stick with stock.
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Hi, can you explain me how can I Install all that things? Without guide with images I can understand T^T
The steps are mentioned in the telegram group with the changelog and the advantages and disadvantages