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Seems like everyone but the first runners and (Tmo) are getting the version with a 3.5mm jack. I think Tmo will also get this version too once they bleed out stock. My guess is the next production runs of TP2's will have the jack for Tmo.
Makes sense from a production standpoint in regards to sub-assemblies. HTC's decision to finally bail on usb audio happened during TP2 production.
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Seems like everyone but the first runners and (Tmo) are getting the version with a 3.5mm jack. I think Tmo will also get this version too once they bleed out stock. My guess is the next production runs of TP2's will have the jack for Tmo.
Makes sense from a production standpoint in regards to sub-assemblies. HTC's decision to finally bail on usb audio happened during TP2 production.
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Eh, I'll just get my 1st gen TP2 replaced under warranty or something when the new 3.5mm one comes out for T-Mobile. Until then, I'll be perfectly happy with what I have.
I really don't get this whole 3.5 debacle. HTC has been making devices with their proprietery USB audio connection for years. All of a sudden some high profile blog sites start clammering for 3.5 and everyone feels they cant live without a 3.5mm headphone jack.
I'm not trying to rant; I rarely use my phone for audio since I have a Zune. Could someone please explain to me why this is such a big deal. They way I see it, if you are buying a WinMo phone purely to listen to music you are wasting your money.
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I really don't get this whole 3.5 debacle. HTC has been making devices with their proprietery USB audio connection for years. All of a sudden some high profile blog sites start clammering for 3.5 and everyone feels they cant live without a 3.5mm headphone jack.
I'm not trying to rant; I rarely use my phone for audio since I have a Zune. Could someone please explain to me why this is such a big deal. They way I see it, if you are buying a WinMo phone purely to listen to music you are wasting your money.
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Just because you listen to music on your Ipod or whatever mp3 player you have doesn't mean that we all should do the same. On a side note, I think everyone has the right to spend on things they want.
CraZyLiLbOy said:
Just because you listen to music on your Ipod or whatever mp3 player you have doesn't mean that we all should do the same. On a side note, I think everyone has the right to spend on things they want.
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That's why I clearly said "The way I see it", as 'in my opinion'. Not everything should turn out to be a debate.
Got a USB/3.5 converter
Got an adapter here "http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370242796364&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT" for $3.94...Tj
My biggest reason for wanting a separate headphone jack is so you can plug your headphones in at the same time as a power cable, so you can listen to your MP3s on power while keeping the battery fully charged.
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andrewilley said:
My biggest reason for wanting a separate headphone jack is so you can plug your headphones in at the same time as a power cable, so you can listen to your MP3s on power while keeping the battery fully charged.
Andre
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Ahh good point ...Tj
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My biggest reason for wanting a separate headphone jack is so you can plug your headphones in at the same time as a power cable, so you can listen to your MP3s on power while keeping the battery fully charged.
Andre
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What about A2DP ?
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What about A2DP ?
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Doesn't work if you want to listen to the FM radio
does anyone know if mobilephonesdirect.co.uk are now shipping tp2's with the audio jack yet?
alabij said:
I really don't get this whole 3.5 debacle. HTC has been making devices with their proprietery USB audio connection for years. All of a sudden some high profile blog sites start clammering for 3.5 and everyone feels they cant live without a 3.5mm headphone jack.
I'm not trying to rant; I rarely use my phone for audio since I have a Zune. Could someone please explain to me why this is such a big deal. They way I see it, if you are buying a WinMo phone purely to listen to music you are wasting your money.
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I have to carry a cell phone. I need to carry a PDA. I want to carry a music player.
I don't want to carry more than one device and besides, wearing more than one headset at a time makes me look strange.
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That's why A2DP is soo great. I love using it especially since cables always die out on me. My headphone jacks used to get caught on whatever and I'd be buying a new set of headphones for my discman back in the day at least once a month (one month I actually ended up buying three pairs). Which is why I don't care about the 3.5mm jack.
well .. first off bluetooths great but i get iffy reception sometimes when attached to my body lol and of course the sounds not great good but not great... also i personally did not buy this phone just for music because then ide get a feature phone .. but i love music and require it a standard in a 600$ phone. second you can use the adapter but.. it sticks out of your pocket and when you whip the thing out youve got this glorious phone with a hideous alien brick sticking straight out the side ... and last note... in my experience with any form of mini usb, it wears down and pretty qick dep. on usage .. if i constantly plug in and disconnect for charging and syncing thats bad enough but many many times a day when you using headphones and this usb port will be lose in a few months where you haver to wiggle it to make it work . this happened on my kaiser, mogul and a blackberry i had (on kaiser i had to eventually use a piece of folded tinfoil in the port just to get it to charge under a year old..) ... on topic- i really hope us t mobile users can eventually get a 3.5 mm like through warranty/insurance because i am PINING for it! lol
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. . . . . on topic- i really hope us t mobile users can eventually get a 3.5 mm like through warranty/insurance because i am PINING for it! lol
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Wow! If everyone is planning on replacing their TP2 on warranty then it might make monetary sense for T-Mob to stick to only the USB versions. wow! wow! wow!
Sure, you get a built-in headphone jack, however, from what I read online, CDMA versions will not allow phonecall + data at the same time. Only once the 4G network comes out will this be possible on a CDMA phone. So all of these CDMA touch pro 2 future owners are giving up simultaneous DATA + voice for a headphone jack. Then again, those that are already on a CDMA network will notice no changes from before.
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Then I'd be able to keep the phone charged... while and the bluetooth headset batteries would be going flat.
Andre
This is all a non-issue to me. From what I recall reading it is Tmo that specified they wanted their TP2 to be 3.5mm-less to HTC. So that is what HTC built for them. I wouldn't hold my breath for a TP2 from T-mo being 3.5mm inclusive at any point.
If I am in a location where I can charge my phone, I'll play the music through the speaker. It'll go through a headset if I'll be away from a power source (aka desk). And I have two options there, either the RC E100 remote (from my Kaiser days) which has a 3.5 jack or via A2DP with a Sony HBH-DS220 (3.5 jack), feeding a pair of Etymotic ER4P's with a 5" lead. Both have built in mics, keeps the phone holstered and out of sight.
Now this is impressive and look forward to http://ausdroid.net/2012/05/09/philips-fidelio-speaker-docks-coming-next-month/
Hopefully more major manufacturer's follow to make better
That's pretty sweet. Thanks for the heads up.
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Well haven't that one been available for quite some time now?
It's a couple of months since I saw it first in Fona (electronics store in Denmark)
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Just a heads up if your thinking of getting the AS851 to sit your phone on the front mounted holder your in for a surprise unfortunately I have had this unit for 4 months now, whilst the unit is quite good for some reason My Xperia s and My HOX wont clip onto the unit and stay there, the USB port seems to be recessed into the phone a few mm to much for the dock to grad it properly, all 5 of my other Android phones are perfect but these two just wont play ball
Yeh reviews seem poor for it especially as it uses Bluetooth 2.1 and does not support APT-X, one of the reviews said sound quality was better through the headphone jack to aux jack, kind of defeats the purpose of just docking it....
Didn't buy one after reading them.
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Yeh reviews seem poor for it especially as it uses Bluetooth 2.1 and does not support APT-X, one of the reviews said sound quality was better through the headphone jack to aux jack, kind of defeats the purpose of just docking it....
Didn't buy one after reading them.
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Yes just wanted a dock to charge my Andoid phone so was on the lookout as I didn’t want 5 different charging docks but I did want something better than just the cable charge method.
For me I personally think the sound is fairly good, lots of presence and quite tight base too and would rate it about 7/10 compared to sound docks I have listened to in the past, for the money its ment to retail for which I think is about the £180 mark I would defiantly stay well clear, but I was really lucky and picked it for £35 brand spanker from a guy who had been bought for his birthday present but unluckily for him he had an iPhone so it wasn’t any good … so he stuck it on ebay.
That was a great price so well done.
It is available on German amazon between 86 and 112 Euros
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foxL Portable Speakers
Here's an alternative if you're keen on apt-x support, and these appear to be of better quality in most specs, but you may question its price. I was specifically looking at foxL v2.2 Platinum Bluetooth Edition
http://www.foxl.com.au/online-shop.html
A review
http://www.ttmag.com.au/2012/05/02/review-foxl-v2-platinum-bluetooth-speaker/
Creative ZiiSound D5
Here's another portable speaker that supports apt-x. I don't believe USB docking would be possible ... yet or ever, but its another alternative to the wireless/portable speaker options out there.
http://au.store.creative.com/speakers/ziisound-d5/4-19181.aspx
Example of one being paired with an Android phone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DSmMYGMmKs
I bought the One X because the bluetooth performance of the Sensation was pathetic, and worryingly it seems the X has the same problem somehow.
I find that when wearing my Plantronics Backbeat 902 headphones that the connection is broken by something so simple as turning my head away from the pocket (front top jacket). I can hold the phone in my hand and simply pinch the top corner next to the camera and SIM slot to totally kill the connection.
At first it seemed that it must be the headphones getting old because how could the One X have a problem so widely known from the previous flagship? Well my Galaxy Tab 8.9 has no such problem. I can hug the tab as much as I want and just TRY to kill the signal, it will not happen. I can walk two rooms away and keep listening to music but the One X fails even a half meter from me if I turn the wrong way.
Can anyone else verify this behaviour? It is not that I want it to be the case, perhaps mine is just broken (odd because the screen/battery seem fine!) but if HTC have failed on another antenna then I will very much want a refund because two flagships in a row off contract is just too much to forgive!
Hi,
One X and Samsung HS3000 - I have found that connection stays mostly good, with maybe one or two tiny glitches per song - perfectly listen-able, and not as bad as what you describe, but not as good as I would have hoped - I am going to see if it is due to using extreme quality spotify downloaded tracks I'm playing (since the HS3000 is aptX it should stream at that kind of bitrate). I'll try lower bitrate and see if that makes a difference.
seems to work fine with Nokia BH-505 but i got cut off around 10m away.
Tried with an iPod Touch and it's about the same distance.
With Sennheiser MM400, I get perfect reception, in a leather case, in my pocket however I turn my head. In open air I get around 10 metre range. Maybe your bluetooth antenna is defective. If it's in your pocket make sure the screen faces inwards to your body. Also the receiver in your headphones could be on either side, so switching pockets may help.
Don't forget, other devices may appear to have greater range if they are transmitting at a lower quality than the One X. Also, I guess it could be that some headphones struggle to cope with higher bit rates if they don't have much buffer memory.
I'm blown away by bluetooth stereo quality compared to my sensation. My headphones had been sitting gathering dust until now.
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Thanks very much for the replies, that helps a lot. I cannot believe this but it is the phone.
I remembered I have a PS3 headset by Sony, never failed me. I just called my girlfriend and from the distance of my hand to my ear while sitting down - not even holding at arms length - I can KILL the signal by pinching the corner where the front camera is.
I love this device, it is truly exceptional. But two HTC flagships in a row that I paid for outright have failed in the thing I use daily. I do not think I can face trying repair this time. Never helped my Sensation Bluetooth.
So that's two headsets by two brands, both work perfectly with any other device (and a Nexus S) but the two HTC phones just die when I use them.
Coincidence probably but after this much money, I am going to try to get my money back. Even paid for two years accidental damage warranty this time. Really quite unhappy about this now..
Again, thanks for the feedback.
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Thanks very much for the replies, that helps a lot. I cannot believe this but it is the phone.
I remembered I have a PS3 headset by Sony, never failed me. I just called my girlfriend and from the distance of my hand to my ear while sitting down - not even holding at arms length - I can KILL the signal by pinching the corner where the front camera is.
I love this device, it is truly exceptional. But two HTC flagships in a row that I paid for outright have failed in the thing I use daily. I do not think I can face trying repair this time. Never helped my Sensation Bluetooth.
So that's two headsets by two brands, both work perfectly with any other device (and a Nexus S) but the two HTC phones just die when I use them.
Coincidence probably but after this much money, I am going to try to get my money back. Even paid for two years accidental damage warranty this time. Really quite unhappy about this now..
Again, thanks for the feedback.
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Stating the obvious here but have you tried in multiple locations to rule out interference?
I'm about to test my headphones again and try pinching the corner as you described.
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Stating the obvious here but have you tried in multiple locations to rule out interference?
I'm about to test my headphones again and try pinching the corner as you described.
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Nope, can't replicate it. In fact the only way I can get any loss if quality at all is to walk 10m away. Looks like you got a duff phone.
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Nope, can't replicate it. In fact the only way I can get any loss if quality at all is to walk 10m away. Looks like you got a duff phone.
Stating the obvious here but have you tried in multiple locations to rule out interference?
I'm about to test my headphones again and try pinching the corner as you described.
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Overly. Though more specifically right now, no. Which is why I can say a Samsung telephone or tablet work with the Plantronics or Sony headsets where the Sensation and One X do not. Same location, would have to be super specific interference.
I ride to and from work 6 days a week, and often between. This is why I use A2DP headphones for music or podcasts, sometimes calls. The amount of ground I cover should rule out any localised problems.
The most bizarre thing I can say is that out the box it seemed to be perfect, I was relieved. Since 2 weeks or so it has just dropped into a near non functional state. I would willingly say the power in my house was at fault but that has left so many other devices alone, including my girlfriends iPhone 4 and Nexus S.
I also tinker with tech a lot, just not down at the electronics level, so right now I feel I have tried everything (again) and been as good to the device as I could be, and just really, really unlucky.
Evidentially not all units are at fault so I will not play that stupid card of "HTC Can't make phones!" that some do when they have an issue, but you must understand I feel pretty ripped off nonetheless by now!
pleased I found this thread as I also seem to have the exact same problem. I have a fairly old Sony Bluetooth stereo headset that I used with my desire without any issues, with my one x if I move more than a metre away or place my hand between the devices they stutter and stop. I hate to think my phone is faulty as it seems fine in all other respects and reading the other stories that is fairly rare at the moment. I am happy to try other headsets as this one is quite old but if it is definetly a phone issue the sooner I sort things the better. does anyone have suggestions on things to try
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pleased I found this thread as I also seem to have the exact same problem. I have a fairly old Sony Bluetooth stereo headset that I used with my desire without any issues, with my one x if I move more than a metre away or place my hand between the devices they stutter and stop. I hate to think my phone is faulty as it seems fine in all other respects and reading the other stories that is fairly rare at the moment. I am happy to try other headsets as this one is quite old but if it is definetly a phone issue the sooner I sort things the better. does anyone have suggestions on things to try
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Not specifically, but if you do try something new (mine are also old - but work perfectly with other devices) please do report back. I'd love to keep this phone but a repair will invalidate my option for refund.
HOX on 1.2.9 and no issues at all, I'm using it alongside the HS3000 and connection is rock solid. Phone in pocket, and HS3000 clipped to my shirt. Even maintains a solid connection whilst using the London Underground.
However was in PC World and had major interruptions due to the various invisible signals in that store.
Generally it's fine, streaming via Spotify using Extreme Quality and via Poweramp.
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HOX on 1.2.9 and no issues at all, I'm using it alongside the HS3000 and connection is rock solid. Phone in pocket, and HS3000 clipped to my shirt. Even maintains a solid connection whilst using the London Underground.
However was in PC World and had major interruptions due to the various invisible signals in that store.
Generally it's fine, streaming via Spotify using Extreme Quality and via Poweramp.
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I am slightly curious to see if the different BT revisions are at play - but that is super hard to work out.
Both my headsets are 2.1 devices, Sensation was 3.0 and One x is 4.0. The phones that worked properly are 2.1+EDR. But the Galaxy tab is 3.0 and works perfectly. So...
I am still thinking internal antenna of phone.
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I am slightly curious to see if the different BT revisions are at play - but that is super hard to work out.
Both my headsets are 2.1 devices, Sensation was 3.0 and One x is 4.0. The phones that worked properly are 2.1+EDR. But the Galaxy tab is 3.0 and works perfectly. So...
I am still thinking internal antenna of phone.
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It should be backwards compatible. But you got 2 headsets and tested on various devices so the BT in the phone might not be all that.
Have you tried updating your firmware? Do you have the latest 1.2.9?
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It should be backwards compatible. But you got 2 headsets and tested on various devices so the BT in the phone might not be all that.
Have you tried updating your firmware? Do you have the latest 1.2.9?
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It's 1.29.x.x but yeah. I did wonder if that was at play, forgot to ask what other people were running earlier since when mine was working properly it was 1.26 but I cannot place where the problem began as I was busy/sick/away.
UPDATE : ok tried in the same place with my old sony HBH DS970 headset and major cut out if i cover headset or top of phone or walk more than a metre away.
Tried exactly the same with my turtle beach px5 headset (which has blutooth obviously) and everything is much better walked 5 metres no problems, covered phone with no real problem (did glitch just once).
I am running 1.28 T-mobile branded so now need to narrow down if certain types of profile or headset brands are the problem.
Pity I really like my sony headset
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UPDATE : ok tried in the same place with my old sony HBH DS970 headset and major cut out if i cover headset or top of phone or walk more than a metre away.
Tried exactly the same with my turtle beach px5 headset (which has blutooth obviously) and everything is much better walked 5 metres no problems, covered phone with no real problem (did glitch just once).
I am running 1.28 T-mobile branded so now need to narrow down if certain types of profile or headset brands are the problem.
Pity I really like my sony headset
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Thanks, adding some interesting details there.
so next question....can anyone recommend some cheap (£50ish) portable headset that works well with HTC one x and sound reasonable.
Would love to help you out there but clearly not in the situation. I was also looking into a new set with Apt-X (as the X supports it) but settled on none before realising the phone was a bust unit.
No problems with my HOX as well and i use 2 headsets (depends which one is charged) : Plantronics and Nokia.I don't have any problems with them so far and i keep my phone preety far from the headset.
I find that with my Creative WP-350 headset and my phone in my jean pocket, if I put my hand in my pocket over my phone I get the occasional break in the connection but that's the only situation is happens and is fairly avoidable.
I just finished reading this review on the Galaxy S21 FE and noticed it doesn't have a headphone jack. I'm okay with that as long as the USB-C port supports analog audio output to cheapo USB-C earphones.
So my question: Is analog audio output via USB-C supported? Or is this device like a Pixel phone and requires more expensive earphones with a DAC chip built into them?
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Only digital. The dongle has to have a DAC in it or whatever audio device you are connecting it to. The Samsung one works fine except it's hanging from the bottom of the phone... not good.
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Only digital. The dongle has to have a DAC in it or whatever audio device you are connecting it to. The Samsung one works fine except it's hanging from the bottom of the phone... not good.
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Thanks. Yeah, that's a deal breaker. I really like using cheapo earphones at work, whether they be 3.5mm jack or USB-C (analog). Having DAC outside the phone is cumbersome and Bluetooth earphones are too much fuss.
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Thanks. Yeah, that's a deal breaker. I really like using cheapo earphones at work, whether they be 3.5mm jack or USB-C (analog). Having DAC outside the phone is cumbersome and Bluetooth earphones are too much fuss.
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The Buds+ sound better or as good as cheap earbuds or phones. They're light, don't come out and have a long run time.
Not perfect but pretty good... Samsung should have kept the 3.5 jack.
Dropping the SD card slot in their recent flagship phones lost them my purchase. Got another new Note 10+ instead.
In 2-3 years if they continue to chase Apple... they are dead to me.
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The Buds+ sound better or as good as cheap earbuds or phones. They're light, don't come out and have a long run time.
Not perfect but pretty good... Samsung should have kept the 3.5 jack.
Dropping the SD card slot in their recent flagship phones lost them my purchase. Got another new Note 10+ instead.
In 2-3 years if they continue to chase Apple... they are dead to me.
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I agree. This whole 3.5 jack non-issue is proving to be the most frustrating "progress" that manufacturers have made. Let's not forget that at first, the sole reason that Apple did this was because the jack "did not fit". Apparently all other manufacturers realized the same thing although they have no problem in making phones bigger than 6.7 inches. Nowadays it's just an excuse to sell expensive gear to people and these wireless buds do not solve the problem. I have perfectly good headphones that do not require charging and that do not fall out of my ears but I cannot listen to them no matter what I do. Dongles are crap quality with background noise and there's nothing you can do about it. It's funny but a few years ago, you actually felt that phones were capable of doing everything but now... not so much.
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I agree. This whole 3.5 jack non-issue is proving to be the most frustrating "progress" that manufacturers have made. Let's not forget that at first, the sole reason that Apple did this was because the jack "did not fit". Apparently all other manufacturers realized the same thing although they have no problem in making phones bigger than 6.7 inches. Nowadays it's just an excuse to sell expensive gear to people and these wireless buds do not solve the problem. I have perfectly good headphones that do not require charging and that do not fall out of my ears but I cannot listen to them no matter what I do. Dongles are crap quality with background noise and there's nothing you can do about it. It's funny but a few years ago, you actually felt that phones were capable of doing everything but now... not so much.
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I totally get why the removal of a space consuming century old standard 3.5mm jack happened, but why the removal of internal DAC for analog audio out via USB-C? I like to have earplugs which can dangle from my shirt while I'm not talking on my phone. I used Bluetooth for a while but they got neglected because I always forgot to take them out of my toolbag and charge them. Also, they couldn't dangle from my shirt because of the no wires thing. How much extra does it cost to manufacture a phone with internal DAC via USB-C?
I have no idea honestly. Whenever I try to think of a logical answer, it always boils down to marketing and reducing costs of manufacturing while also making more money from accessories. They are trying so hard to push these wireless buds to customers that they would do anything so that we spend more money on them or on the accessories for wired headphones. Just look at the S21 FE, the pre-order came with buds included. The new P50 PRO from Huawei, also pushed the wireless earphones with it's offer. And people still hate these dang things but somehow they don't care. At this rate I'm going back to physical mp3's )
Give Samsung tech support some feedback on how you're loving it all.
Trust me it will make you feel better...
The last rep hung up on me and no I wasn't cursing.
Mission accomplished☠
So today is the day, after doing good bit of reading to try to study up on the the current crop of potentials for new phone.
Wife and I migrating from H918 LG V20's. Gonna miss the replaceable battery, headphone jack, and SD card slot, but had to do something. Down to about a month now, at least according to the SMS alerts from T-MO.
So picked up 2 LE2125's today. Was looking at few others with the OnePlus 10 Pro as my next choice, but since LineageOS is important in my world view, neither 9 or 10 Pro have SD card slots, and the sands of time running low for my wife's V20, I couldn't wait to see if OnePlus ever got around to releasing a *US* unlocked 12GB/256GB version of the 10 Pro, and anything Samsung is fuhgeddaboudit I don't care how nice their displays might be.
Seems like a pretty bleak time, comparatively, to be looking for a smartphone that covers all the bases. At least compared to features my V20 has. Gonna miss those but if nothing else they might make good network video cameras.
I don't have any illusions about OnePlus/Oppo caring much about what I want in a phone, but I would like OnePlus to know that lack of a 12GB/256GB storage OnePlus 10 Pro US model cost them the sale of 2 OnePlus 10 Pro's today. I was also a bit disappointed in lack of mmWave 5G radios in the 10 Pro while the 9 Pro has n258, 260, and 261 bands, but that wasn't really a dealbreaker for my wife's or my own usage pattern or interests
BTW If anybody at OnePlus/Oppo DOES want to know what people are interested in a phone and you really want to stand out from the rest of the crowd, I bet the market would respond favorably if you put a model out that has an SD Card slot and a 3.5mm headphone jack. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
These are unlocked phones, we have T Mobile service and SIM's and figure if worst comes to worst for some reason and we decide it is time to move on from TMO, the phones' specs seem to support VZW LTE and the current crop of 5G VZW towers as well. 'bout the only other cell provider we would even consider.
Anywho, the adventure begins.
VelosterM14 said:
So today is the day, after doing good bit of reading to try to study up on the the current crop of potentials for new phone.
Wife and I migrating from H918 LG V20's. Gonna miss the replaceable battery, headphone jack, and SD card slot, but had to do something. Down to about a month now, at least according to the SMS alerts from T-MO.
So picked up 2 LE2125's today. Was looking at few others with the OnePlus 10 Pro as my next choice, but since LineageOS is important in my world view, neither 9 or 10 Pro have SD card slots, and the sands of time running low for my wife's V20, I couldn't wait to see if OnePlus ever got around to releasing a 12GB/256GB version of the 10 Pro, and anything Samsung is fuhgeddaboudit I don't care how nice their displays might be.
Seems like a pretty bleak time, comparatively, to be looking for a smartphone that covers all the bases. At least compared to features my V20 has. Gonna miss those but if nothing else they might make good network video cameras.
I don't have any illusions about OnePlus/Oppo caring much about what I want in a phone, but I would like OnePlus to know that lack of a 12GB/256GB storage OnePlus 10 Pro US model cost them the sale of 2 OnePlus 10 Pro's today. I was also a bit disappointed in lack of mmWave 5G radios in the 10 Pro while the 9 Pro has n258, 260, and 261 bands, but that wasn't really a dealbreaker for my wife's or my own usage pattern or interests
BTW If anybody at OnePlus/Oppo DOES want to know what people are interested in a phone and you really want to stand out from the rest of the crowd, I bet the market would respond favorably if you put a model out that has an SD Card slot and a 3.5mm headphone jack. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
These are unlocked phones, we have T Mobile service and SIM's and figure if worst comes to worst for some reason and we decide it is time to move on from TMO, the phones' specs seem to support VZW LTE and the current crop of 5G VZW towers as well. 'bout the only other cell provider we would even consider.
Anywho, the adventure begins.
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I have OnePlus 10 pro 12 256.
In public room, will i hear music, and i have no jack port to my headphones. .
So I bought cheap adapter on Chinese website. Now can I hear music with my adapter connected to phone.
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JonasHS said:
I have OnePlus 10 pro 12 256.
In public room, will i hear music, and i have no jack port to my headphones. .
So I bought cheap adapter on Chinese website. Now can I hear music with my adapter connected to phone.
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Wow, a US version or Int'l/EU/India or something?
but yea, I resigned myself to having to buy headphone adapter to solve that problem.
The general public gives no care for SD slots or 3.5mm jacks and these phone companies have made clear that they don't wish to cater to the <1% of their market share that comes from people like us who might care (while I wouldn't object to an SD card slot, I would never use a 3.5mm jack and I haven't had an SD slot in so long that I have learned to live without it) so those particular wishes fall on deaf ears unfortunately.
As for your other wishes, you can find what you want on Amazon. Since you're on the T-Mobile network, it's a great fit.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XWHY8ZX/
I get it... headphone jack may not be for everybody. Me, well let's just say that I've got my reasons. For a good long while I was chained to a desk in corporate IT cubeworld, surrounded by noisy people. I needed headphones and a good collection of music to drown out the.... lack of productivity generally going on around me. It was also hard to be very productive in my line of work with music cranked up in my ears, but at least I got to pick the noise, which was never the case there around my desk at the office.
Sadly, in my searching tonight for a USB-C headphone jack adapter, I've not seen one yet with a built-in charger input that you can do both simultaneously (charge AND listen to music at the same time -- or charge and participate in a call over the headset) on a OnePlus, although other brands seem to be able to. So if I ever do have to go back to cubeworld again (hopefully not), especially at the current peanut dispenser, this will surely bite me in hindermost parts at some point, ie, needing to charge AND keep the music going at the same time. Or face the certain peril of my phone having to recharge while the next bagel party is planned or other mindless, non-productive blibber blabber occurs around me...
So I don't see buying a USB-C to headphone adapter as a very good solution. I did find one that looks nice and doesn't cost very much (like a good shrubbery) which I ordered, but I'll have to settle for not being able to charge simultaneously. I'll admit to being a little salty about that.
Musicians are another example of a group of people who tend to prefer wired over bluetooth/wireless monitors/headphones for pretty good reason. Especially drummers. When even what you are hearing in your ears lags behind realtime...
So it has taken me a long time to settle on a phone, lack of headphone jack being among the main reasons. It's funny at least to me how they can justify the real estate for more and more camera eyes and sensors (but still fall so short of truly breathtaking camera performance) -- but on flagship models their marketing people also want you to believe are a pro audio platform, you either have to have bluetooth audio or buy an adapter, because they just don't have the room (or the market demand?) for a 3.5mm headphone jack.
I'm perfectly OK with people not seeing things my way, but in my book, bluetooth cans/IEM's/earbuds are also just something else that have to be recharged when the battery is drained. The marketing people may tell you cords are tangly and a hassle for joggers and other people with active lifestyles -- my take on that is a little diferent. At least when the wired earbuds fall out of your ears, they are still attached to something you can probably grab before they get away from you.
The SD card slot, well it's another thing related to having a decent music collection on my phone and room for backups and various root/mod/etc things handy without using up the device's storage. But with 256GB I will survive. I would not have been able to suffer 128GB though.
These little obsoletions are the sorts of things they call "progress" these days. I tend to have pretty good reasons for knowing what I want. It's just getting harder and harder to find anymore. I'm pretty used to the world going the other way though. It's just really been picking up the pace lately.
But at least I was able to find something well supported by LineageOS and by what I've been reading around, has decent moddability and tools etc.
Hopefully these will last a good long time.
EDIT/PS: I sat down and compared the radio band support of the 9 Pro and 10 Pro, along with coverage bands my current carrier TMO and the only other one we would ever consider switching to supports (if TMO really goes bad somehow, VZW would be most likely escape route but we are not really big VZW fans after many years of customer abuse, why we switched to TMO) . There's not much of difference between 9/10 for bands support really but for those times we do go out and about, those mmWave bands the 9 Pro supports would be useful, and are used/supported by both carriers we care about in our area.
Something like this Y cable is what you would need.
USB c to 3.5mm Headphone and Charger Adapter,2-in-1 USB C PD 3.0 Charging Port to Aux Audio Jack and Fast Charging Dongle Cable Cord Compatible with Samsung S21 S20 S20+ Ultra, Google Pixel 4 3 XL… https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09GYRH6YM/
I see your argument for 3.5mm, I'm just saying most consumers have moved on to Bluetooth. My Sony WH-1000XM3s have a 30 hour battery life so it would be near impossible to kill them without an opportunity to charge them and I'm plenty happy with the sound quality.
mmWave is largely useless on T-Mobile. I wouldn't make a decision based on that since the coverage is insanely limited. T-Mobile's n41 midband is what you really want.
EDIT: Actually, looks like OnePlus killed the ability to charge and play at the same time in software. It died in 2020 and was still dead in this thread so you may be SOL.
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Yep, bluetooth may be more practical or convenient for others.
It's a shame about the inability to charge and use the headset at same time. But I see this as another example of... well, it could be a lot things. But it wasn't that long ago at all that a simple thing like that would have been a given. Something you could take for granted within a phone's specs or capabilities because, the people defining criteria or design for a phone were not developing in a vacuum. It was just common sense.
Over the many years I have been paying attention and participating in technology at work and at play, there seem to be less of those "no brainer" type of givens. As if the people designing things don't ever use them, and aren't listening to people who do use them.
Great example, totally unrelated but it really reinforces the point, at least to me. Our car is a Hyundai SUV with an "ultimate" package of features, trim, etc. One of the most insane, ridiculously stupid things I have ever seen in the interior passenger compartment of a car is the simulated wood trim the dashboard of this SUV is festooned with, from left to right.
Some genius at Hyundai, or a whole team full of them, probably all with college degrees in marketing, sociology, or business decided that the top of line model of this SUV needed to have a super high-gloss finish on all of the interior imitation wood veneer trim. In their minds, this is probably the pinnacle of bling - I can almost hear them saying "ooooh, shiney!" This was their idea of luxury.
The reality of the matter is quite different, however. As the owner and driver of this vehicle, I dread driving on sunny days when the sun will reflect off the dashboard AND BLINDS ME WHILE I AM DRIVING. Right through my sunglasses sometimes.
Of course I am aware of this and it seldom catches me off guard. But it is inevitable that circumstances will (mis)align from time to time.
Anybody who had any sense would have never put high gloss finish on anything around the dashboard on the interior of a motor vehicle. Nobody in the 60's did. (I used to work on old classics)
But if you asked them why they thought high-gloss imitation wood veneer on the dashboard was a good idea, they would probably have several reasons that would make sense to a lot of people. People who don't have to drive one of them every day....
By the time we realized this was a problem it was too late, the car was ours and the paperwork was signed.
There used to be a lot more things you didn't have to research or think about so hard when you were shopping.
Sure do miss the good old days.
PS: The mmWave support of the 9 Pro wasn't really a make or break feature for us, we aren't out and about all that much anyway even if they do have a bunch of those towers in the (2nd largest in the US and fastest growing) metro area we are kind of stuck living in right now. Just that we might actually get some use out of it from time to time. I *KNOW* I'll definitely make use of the extra storage on the 9 Pro than can be had in a US market 10 Pro model.
I came close to choosing one of a few Motorola unlocked models that were semi-interesting but none of the ones with some attractive specs really quite did it for me. There was always something that killed it for me, like the problems so many reported with green screen tinting on many of the edge models. Or the models that might have had other desirable features and compatibilities, but only supported one carriers tower coverage very well instead of 2 strong players around here.
I know a lot of people aren't really interested in many of the same things I am -- but the case can be made that what a lot of people don't know or realize is how much of what they think THEY want is actually due to marketing and media influence and manipulation -- people TELLING you what you want and how to think -- and how afraid so many -- manufacturers and consumers alike -- are afraid to take even the tiniest of risks and being the nail that sticks out -- everybody is afraid they'll get hammered.
In the end, originality and thinking for one's self become bywords and, oh my goodness, nobody wants to be accused of being "UNSCANNABLE!!!!" (Idiocracy, 2006) or going against the grain. And so it's a lot easier for a lot of the lemmings to end up in a pile somewhere down there below, just outside of public awareness and the news cycle/drumbeat.
i won't apologize for thinking that (proverbially, continuing along the Idiocracy story line) using Brawndo for everything but flushing the toilet with is just stupid. If that's how everybody else wants to go, OK fine, but I really shouldn't have to go to the toilet to get plain old water for the things people used to use water for when more things in life "just worked".
I just wish I had better choices. I don't see that many of the choices being offered these days are coming from people who think about things very much, or know how to plan and execute well.
Anyway, enough of the blabber, I am actually looking forward to getting started with our Oneplus 9 Pro's. I haven't even broken the seal on either box yet - but trying to line up all the info I can to get a quick early backup of the devices before I do much.
Appreciate the conversation!