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What's the real story as to where the Pixel XL is in the U.S. ?
- Google's own website says sign up for a news letter as to when the phone will be back in stock sometime next year
- Verizon is out of stock on the XL for two months !!!
- BestBuy discontinued the XL, will not carry it anymore
What's up with BestBuy discontinuing and not carrying or selling the XL anymore ?
My guess this falls on HTC's manufacturing capabilities, I bet the Pixel and Pixel XL, have sold more than the entire run of HTC Ten this year. And maybe HTC just can't keep up with demand, and now Google is scrambling behind the scenes. Or maybe Google wasn't thinking like they typically do on Nexus launches, and completely underestimate how many will sell ?
Sometimes I think the Nexus and now Pixel line is just some little pet project in the basement at Google's headquarters, with just the ultra nerd team working on it, with like 1% help from the upper brass and management. At the end of the day selling HTC made Google phones isn't making them their billion$.
I just bought one from the Google store about twenty minutes ago. I kept loading the page and every now and then it would show in stock. Had it in my cart once and at checkout it glitched and went away, second time it went through. I am guessing they are only allowing one sale every so often so they can keep up.
Black 32gb xl, 2-3 week estimate for shipping fyi...
Zorachus said:
What's the real story as to where the Pixel XL is in the U.S. ?
- Google's own website says sign up for a news letter as to when the phone will be back in stock sometime next year
- Verizon is out of stock on the XL for two months !!!
- BestBuy discontinued the XL, will not carry it anymore
What's up with BestBuy discontinuing and not carrying or selling the XL anymore ?
My guess this falls on HTC's manufacturing capabilities, I bet the Pixel and Pixel XL, have sold more than the entire run of HTC Ten this year. And maybe HTC just can't keep up with demand, and now Google is scrambling behind the scenes. Or maybe Google wasn't thinking like they typically do on Nexus launches, and completely underestimate how many will sell ?
Sometimes I think the Nexus and now Pixel line is just some little pet project in the basement at Google's headquarters, with just the ultra nerd team working on it, with like 1% help from the upper brass and management. At the end of the day selling HTC made Google phones isn't making them their billion$.
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What I know for shure is, that one of HTC bigger Factories got destroyed by a Tsunami (also some more like some from Canon and so on), and the Parts they need, can only be manufatured slower than before.
And also due to the huge demand of the bigger variants they arent able to accomplish their request. I have pre Ordered the Pixel XL 128 GB Quite Black in Germany, and eventhough I had pre Ordered, I had to wait nearly 1 1/2 Months to get it.
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I ordered mine in Google store Germany on 16th of December and was delivered on 22nd
Got my 128 from Verizon and it took 2 days. It originally said won't ship til Dec 28 but ended up taking 2 days.
Zorachus said:
What's the real story as to where the Pixel XL is in the U.S. ?
- Google's own website says sign up for a news letter as to when the phone will be back in stock sometime next year
- Verizon is out of stock on the XL for two months !!!
- BestBuy discontinued the XL, will not carry it anymore
What's up with BestBuy discontinuing and not carrying or selling the XL anymore ?
My guess this falls on HTC's manufacturing capabilities, I bet the Pixel and Pixel XL, have sold more than the entire run of HTC Ten this year. And maybe HTC just can't keep up with demand, and now Google is scrambling behind the scenes. Or maybe Google wasn't thinking like they typically do on Nexus launches, and completely underestimate how many will sell ?
Sometimes I think the Nexus and now Pixel line is just some little pet project in the basement at Google's headquarters, with just the ultra nerd team working on it, with like 1% help from the upper brass and management. At the end of the day selling HTC made Google phones isn't making them their billion$.
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For 900 dollars you can get a piece of **** phone!
I know, I got one!
I ordered mine through a Verizon deal on the 19th of december, estimated delivery date is the 18th of January. Still waiting unfortunately.
I ordered my phone on 12/19 was suppose to ship on the 28th, instead I got the notice that it was delayed 2 months. I wonder if this phone will turn out to be a great phone but extremely rare. It's bad when Bestbuy stops carrying the phone.
I was lucky. I woke up at 03:00 am and couldn't go back to sleep, so I got on the web. Went to several places looking for 128gb Pixel XL and it was atrocious. $1600 on Amazon. Goughers!!! Anyways, I went to eBay and was looking and all of the sudden I found 128g used Pixel XL. I couldn't believe my eyes. Well, I bought it. Says it's in good condition. We'll see. Anyways, hope it works out. I'm currently using Pixel 5.0 and I love this thing. I had a note 7 and I finally turned it on last week. no regrets.
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I ordered my phone on 12/19 was suppose to ship on the 28th, instead I got the notice that it was delayed 2 months. I wonder if this phone will turn out to be a great phone but extremely rare. It's bad when Bestbuy stops carrying the phone.
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Yeah what the heck is up with that?
Google will never catch Apple like this. Really frustrating. I've read many reviews of iPhone lovers making the switch and adoring this phone but maybe make it available??
My Nexus 6 is starting to die off, and I'm in the market for a new device. I've been eyeing the Pixel XL since it was announced, and now I can't find one. I looked at Best Buy, but they don't carry the 128gb models, and the price of the 32 P and PXL are inflated.
So, with the "shortage" I feel like I'm in a weird place. Currently, only the OnePlus 3T and the Pixel XL are attractive, and both are out of stock and at minimum weeks away.
Not sure if I should keep waiting for the PXL at this point, or just look for something new coming out in the spring.
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Does anyone know why BestBuy officially stopped selling the Pixel XL ? Their website says product discontinued or something ? But they still sell the tiny Pixel.
I went to BB today, asked a cell phone salesperson about the XL he said Best Buy took that product off the system and they no longer offer it.
I asked if they'll get it back in the near future ? He said he wasn't sure.
This sucks, because I got a crap load of BB gift certificates for Christmas and I had a few left over from my Birthday totaling $350 now, and was gonna purchase a Pixel XL outright, but tyry don't sell the phone anymore.
Exactly how the 6P sold. Always sold out and you're lucky to get one.
It's all kind of ridiculous. I checked with my Verizon store. You cannot get a Pixel XL, or even Pixel 128GB within 100 miles of me at any store. All colors. I then talked to the corporate people and they said they have called 19 different stores across 5 states and none of them had any of these aforementioned models within 100 miles of there either.
I think Google is really dropping the ball. I get trying to drive up interest by making it seem like everyone wants it so it's perpetually out of stock, but most people won't wait a month or longer for a phone - they'll just get the next "droid" over from that one (probably an S7 Edge the way Verizon employees love Samsung and push them so hard).
I'm really rooting for this phone like to knock Samsung and Apple a bit, but they need to learn to manufacture a little quicker or get better forecasts of sales. For a company based on algorithms, their forecast algorithm sure does suck tremendously.
It really is unbelievable how Google can miscalculate and underestimate how many units they need to produce for stock. I could see when the phone first launched they may have been caught off guard how much of a hit seller this would be.
But it's been out for three months already. They should have a firm grasp where they need to be production wise.
And to have it sold out for 6 to 8 more weeks still. Wow.
Once Sansung releases the Galaxy S8 in March / April, the Pixel line will see a major drop in sales, and will just be the ultra nerd geek phone again like the Nexus phones. The average buying public will for sure be tempted by the new S8.
Even though myself I still prefer a good stock Android phone #1, I'd take a Pixel XL over the S8 Plus phone. But most people won't.
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It really is unbelievable how Google can miscalculate and underestimate how many units they need to produce for stock. I could see when the phone first launched they may have been caught off guard how much of a hit seller this would be.
But it's been out for three months already. They should have a firm grasp where they need to be production wise.
And to have it sold out for 6 to 8 more weeks still. Wow.
Once Sansung releases the Galaxy S8 in March / April, the Pixel line will see a major drop in sales, and will just be the ultra nerd geek phone again like the Nexus phones. The average buying public will for sure be tempted by the new S8.
Even though myself I still prefer a good stock Android phone #1, I'd take a Pixel XL over the S8 Plus phone. But most people won't.
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All very true. Most people love Samsung now since it has become almost as well known as Apple. I mean, I hear people say, "do you have an iPhone or a Galaxy?" Talk about an ignorant question, but that's people's mentality about phones. Google can change that with the next few iterations of the Pixel as people get more familiar with the name (if Google keeps pushing it with the ads too!) but they need to learn how to produce phones that are in high demand. It's really disappointing and frustrating.
Ordered mine December 16th and it still says January 20th expected ship date.
I ordered a Pixel XL 32GB black December 20th and it's listed as Pending with an estimated shipping date between January 13 and 17.
Conspiracy theory here, tinfoil hat time. What if the Pixel actually was selling very well on Verizon from Oct - Dec. which I think it was, and now it's out of stock. But what if the big guys like Samsung and LG got pissed they had competition from Google directly, and viewed this Pixel phone as a threat, and maybe they made a stink about it ?
That also begs the question, maybe Google didn't originally allow the Pixel phones to be on all U.S. carriers for a reason, knowing if it got real popular and was a success, it might dent into the sales of the big Android players like Samsung, LG, Motorola, etc... And then a **** storm would brew up.
Just wondering if there's any official word from Google on how long they're going to support this tablet. I figure it should at least get support through the end of this year, which will be its 2 year anniversary, so we can expect software upgrades for the next 6 months or so, but what about beyond that. I've looked around Google's support pages, but haven't seen any mention of the Pixel C.
The reason I ask is because I'm actually considering trying out one of the new iPad Pro models that were just announced, and one of the key factors in that, aside from the impressive hardware, is the fact that Apple seems to support their stuff a lot longer than just about any Android manufacturer, including Google. While this isn't such a big deal on phones, which most people seem accustomed to changing out every 2 years here in America (probably because they're used to the way most carrier contracts are set up), tablets should be expected to last a little longer, in my opinion.
I know tablets aren't nearly as popular as they once were, but I still really enjoy mine. Started out with a Nexus 7 2013, and then moved on to the Pixel C, and was hoping to stay in the Android camp. But it seems like Apple is one of the few manufacturers left still trying to make premium tablets, and backing them up with solid after-purchase support for a good long time. I don't mind paying a bit more for a nicer tablet, but I want to know that I'll still be able to get software and security updates for longer than 2 years. Yes, I know I could always try rooting the Pixel C, but I went down that road with my Nexus 6, and truthfully other than adding an ad blocker, I never got any use out of having a rooted device. And now since I've found other applications that do the same thing without rooting, I don't see myself ever wanting to deal with that again.
So if anyone has any info on what Google has planned for the Pixel C, I'd be interested in hearing it. I've had a great experience with the tablet, and the software issues it suffered on first release have been ironed out though updates. Be a shame if they weren't planning on supporting this device well past the 2 year point.
Two years, like every other product.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/04/27/google-adds-pixels-end-life-support-page/
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Two years, like every other product.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/04/27/google-adds-pixels-end-life-support-page/
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That page you linked to just shows the Pixel phones, not the Pixel C. I know Google has committed to 2 years on the phone side, but I'm wondering about the tablet. I imagine it is 2 years, but I'd like some official confirmation.
I don't want to wait till June to buy a new phone, but feel like with my luck the second I receive a 5T the OP6 will get released.
I've spent the past couple of days looking at phones. OP5T has the most pros (build quality, software, specs, performance, development, price.)
The Pixel 2 is expensive and aside from the camera, not necessarily a better device (I don't think)
Essential phone seems like a bargain (now)but the camera is subpar.
OP5T cons: apparently not great picture quality and no project treble. These aren't small compromises but they're easier to overlook by because its such an appealing device.
No one wants to hear me talk about phones. If you have a minute I'd REALLY appreciate your input.
Should I buy OP5T? Ideally Id like to use my next phone for 2 years.
Any input is welcome.
Thanks!
I consider the 5t as the best android option
after two years it will still be fast and great
considering that the oneplus 6 is just around the corner I would have waited for it
but still you won't go wrong with the 5t
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I consider the 5t as the best android option
after two years it will still be fast and great
considering that the oneplus 6 is just around the corner I would have waited for it
but still you won't go wrong with the 5t
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Thanks. The one supposed downside about OP6 is price. I'm hearing $749. If that's the base model then it might influence my decision.
I'm really leaning toward buying OP5T.
Maybe you can clarify. I've heard that any phone that gets updated to Android P will need to support project treble. Oneplus has stated it won't support project treble which, if I have my facts straight, means there will be no Android P for this phone. That'd suck because this phone was released after Oreo came out. It seems like they purposely held back on O just so they wouldn't need to support treble.
Have you or anyone else heard different? Is it likely the 5T will receive P and according to the rules would need to support treble?
I'm sure this phone will continue to attract developers for awhile but with project treble I'm extremely confident developers will stick around and new ones will emerge. The specs on this phone can carry it for years.
android P and treble being mandatory are still assumptions based on source code this may change in the future and there may be a workaround by oneplus to release it for the 5t but most likely android P will be released for the 5t
so if that what is holding you back don't make it prevent you from buying it will 90% get official android 9
If you want it, buy it...if not then dont.
Although the 5t camera is not considered a high point I think it is very good, using it was above my expectations, but I come from an iPhone 6s where I also found the camera very good, and even then the 5T is more. as speed is something above the ordinary, I was using samsung's and motorolas, using oneplus was a pleasant surprise, I had never seen Android run so fast
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/03/23/oneplus-5t-stock-north-america-run-dry-no-planned/
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https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/03/23/oneplus-5t-stock-north-america-run-dry-no-planned/
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Yes I'm aware. That's what made me consider holding out for OP6. Often times when sales stop suddenly like that it means the release date is coming soon. There are rumors it'll launch early. But at $749 for the base model...its a little more than I wanted to spend. There's plenty of new OP5T's on eBay and Amazon.
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android P and treble being mandatory are still assumptions based on source code this may change in the future and there may be a workaround by oneplus to release it for the 5t but most likely android P will be released for the 5t
so if that what is holding you back don't make it prevent you from buying it will 90% get official android 9
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You may have just convinced me.
That's the part I can't really get a straight answer for. It's a definite that any phone that ships with O is mandated to have project treble. I've heard if it updates to P they need to implement treble but I don't think Google will hold them to that. It could cause problems because some companies might not update to P to avoid treble, and point a finger at Google. Google can blame them but really both parties will hurt a little.
Anyways, I think I'm gonna get one. Thanks
Dude i just bought it 2 days ago..i moved on from op3 and i have to say this device is awesome.. Reminds me of Nexus 6 i had once
Rajul said:
Dude i just bought it 2 days ago..i moved on from op3 and i have to say this device is awesome.. Reminds me of Nexus 6 i had once
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Yeah. I loved my Nexus 6p. If they hadn't botched that battery I'd still be using out.
It's been an adventure since my last post. I looked on eBay and Amazon. The 5Ts are generally selling $700+ unless you buy international version (no warranty)
Plus the reasonably priced ones had some concerning seller feedback.
Figured if I was gonna pay that much I might as well go with a Pixel 2 XL. Found one onWalmart that seemed to good to be true (XL 128GB for $849) but then realized that unlocked GSM/CDMA means locked bootloader so I cancelled the order.
I'm not paying a premium when for a little more I can just wait and buy the OP6.
Sucks though. I was hoping to get one by the weekend. I even considered Swappa because it's a relatively new phone but even there the prices are a little bloated.
If anyone finds a good deal please report it here or private message. Lol! I picking the worst FREAKIN time to buy a 5T.
But why don't you buy it from China? I know that guaranty is a thing, but for 200 USD you can fix it yourself even if it will be a hardware issue.
I've been a huge fan of the Pixel since the original XL. Dealing with this phone from day one has been a struggle. The voice dictation is terrible. The worst I've ever had on a pixel. Also the phone is my daily driver and sometimes I can't even work with this phone. Really holding out for an update to fix the phone so that I can love it, but I think I'm more patient than most. I feel like replying with a real world experience to every made by Google tweet, but I'm not out to jeopardize their business and I understand new tech takes a little while to achieve its full potential. But there needs to be some heads rolling at Google. There's been issues with every Google Pixel launch and this I think is the worst from my experience. I'm glad some others aren't experiencing what I'm going through. Lucky dogs
MKBHD Slams Google Pixel 6 Pro's "Bad Experience"
YouTuber MKBHD tweets that he's done with the Pixel 6 Pro and will no longer recommend it to his viewers. That's not great for Google.
www.droid-life.com
Mine hasn't been buggy but it's good his statement made headlines. Maybe Google will get off their azz and fix these problems.
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I've been a huge fan of the Pixel since the original XL. Dealing with this phone from day one has been a struggle. The voice dictation is terrible. The worst I've ever had on a pixel. Also the phone is my daily driver and sometimes I can't even work with this phone. Really holding out for an update to fix the phone so that I can love it, but I think I'm more patient than most. I feel like replying with a real world experience to every made by Google tweet, but I'm not out to jeopardize their business and I understand new tech takes a little while to achieve its full potential. But there needs to be some heads rolling at Google. There's been issues with every Google Pixel launch and this I think is the worst from my experience. I'm glad some others aren't experiencing what I'm going through. Lucky dogs
MKBHD Slams Google Pixel 6 Pro's "Bad Experience"
YouTuber MKBHD tweets that he's done with the Pixel 6 Pro and will no longer recommend it to his viewers. That's not great for Google.
www.droid-life.com
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I'm one of those lucky dogs, I guess
Side note: I don't pay much mind to reviewers such as MKBHD...I like to judge things for myself
I'll say the same thing I said in another thread...
The Pixel 6 is a new platform on new hardware. There are going to be teething issues. Expecting perfection isn't realistic. Google has been using Snapdragon SoC's since the Nexus 4, and this is their first foray using their own hardware. When Apple introduced the A7 in the iPhone 5S, they had the same problem - a lot of stability and feature issues.
Remember that OEMs have to make compromises in order to get everything they want into a reasonable package. Bigger battery means less space for the electronics, and heat becomes a bigger problem. Bigger display and more powerful processor means more battery drain. With handheld devices, weight and size are significant issues as well.
If you want stability, there are other OEMs to choose from that are sticking to established hardware - such as Samsung, using both Qualcomm and their own Exynos systems. The Pixel series has been pretty solid up to this point, so while the 6 and 6 Pro have certainly had a lot of issues, the next generation will be improved, as will the next after that, and so on.
When you buy a Pixel, it's for vanilla Android with the Google experience. Don't expect much more than that.
why do people care what he thinks
i not had that many issues and I am on the December firmware.
battery life is main issue for me but as its a new SOC and needs time to tune it along with new A12 I expected this
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why do people care what he thinks
i not had that many issues and I am on the December firmware.
battery life is main issue for me but as its a new SOC and needs time to tune it along with new A12 I expected this
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Probably the same reason stupid challenges trend on social media?
jayr04 said:
Mine hasn't been buggy but it's good his statement made headlines. Maybe Google will get off their azz and fix these problems.
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man, i really wish my experience was like yours. i bought into Google's P6 hype for sure... i purchased the phone for dual-sim connectivity so i could use one device for my personal and biz numbers. i started with an AT&T version, returned it due to connectivity issues, and purchased an unlocked version that "seemed" to work a little better. however, inconsistent connectivity (no cellular signal, dropped calls, dropped wifi) forced me to put the phone away for now, and switch to a dual-sim S21 Ultra. i'm willing to give Google a chance to address the connectivity issues, but my confidence in their ability to do so is pretty low right now.
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I'm one of those lucky dogs, I guess
Side note: I don't pay much mind to reviewers such as MKBHD...I like to judge things for myself
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Who? Twitter? I never go there, same as FB, Instagram etc.
Purveyors of disinformation and censorship, at the best.
Really this is Google's doing and not singularly the P6 Pro itself; Android 12 is a huge part of the problem. Android 11 was no gem either.
Following Apple's lead like a lost puppy was one of their biggest mistakes. Google Android degrades their market edge by doing so and ultimately fails their customers.
A large part of Google's problem is that they are also control freaks. They want to push their cloud services at all costs even if it conflicts with the customer's best interests. They learned that from MS.
Who needs another bloody iPhone knock off?
Nekromantik said:
why do people care what he thinks
i not had that many issues and I am on the December firmware.
battery life is main issue for me but as its a new SOC and needs time to tune it along with new A12 I expected this
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I don't even know who that is, nor do I really care. However, and this is a big but, if he has a following of thousands of users who buy phones for multiple family members and go on social media platforms then it becomes a problem. Not here because it seems no one is on social media round these parts, but this is the extreme minority. So call it where it belongs, the phone is buggy.. big time. I'm not talking about battery life either, I'm talking about not being able to make a phone call or receive a text. That is major. If I want stability I go with one of the big guns, Apple or Google. Pure iPhone experience and pure Android experience. There is nothing pure about this Pixel 6 series. OEMs compromising and releasing a device that is obviously flawed is not a great model for success. I don't want a Samsung or an iPhone. I want a Pixel. There is absolutely no reason I should put up with a test device when they touted this as the phone of the year. Next generation doesn't interest me right about now. I want a phone with security updates that are current and a device that always can receive a phone call and text. It is not the Pixel 6 no matter how many excuses you can come up with.
If this was a test device at least tell me that. If they are working out problems fitting stuff in then let me know. I easily could have kept my pristine P5 but I was led to believe this was a finished product and, I repeat, the phone of the year. the iPhone killer the every other phone killer. Well the P6 just got killed by their own hands and if you can't admit it then nothing I can say will change your mind.
I got a P6 Pro at launch and I haven't had any major issues or bugs. I'm on Dec update and I think I experienced the network drop thing only twice. I restarted my phone and everything was back to normal.
No other issues though..
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man, i really wish my experience was like yours. i bought into Google's P6 hype for sure... i purchased the phone for dual-sim connectivity so i could use one device for my personal and biz numbers. i started with an AT&T version, returned it due to connectivity issues, and purchased an unlocked version that "seemed" to work a little better. however, inconsistent connectivity (no cellular signal, dropped calls, dropped wifi) forced me to put the phone away for now, and switch to a dual-sim S21 Ultra. i'm willing to give Google a chance to address the connectivity issues, but my confidence in their ability to do so is pretty low right now.
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i was on s21 ultra and switch to pixel6 pro if iam kinda sad? yes definetly and iam not big fan of samsung but compare to p6 pro samsung was way better
I bought the unlocked version, and I've had no problems to speak of. My former daily driver was an iPhone 12 Pro Max. Been switching my VZ SIM back and forth to see which one I'll stick with.
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Who? Twitter? I never go there, same as FB, Instagram etc.
Purveyors of disinformation and censorship, at the best.
Really this is Google's doing and not singularly the P6 Pro itself; Android 12 is a huge part of the problem. Android 11 was no gem either.
Following Apple's lead like a lost puppy was one of their biggest mistakes. Google Android degrades their market edge by doing so and ultimately fails their customers.
A large part of Google's problem is that they are also control freaks. They want to push their cloud services at all costs even if it conflicts with the customer's best interests. They learned that from MS.
Who needs another bloody iPhone knock off?
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My concern is that Google may not find a solution for the P6P reception problems and will have a Nexus 6P issue on its hands. Lawsuits caused many Nexus 6P to be replaced with Pixels so in theory it could happen again but 10 months is a long way from now.
Somebody other has problem with photo quality and strange artifacts? Here look in bright part ....pls dont be a stupid and dont say its becouse saturation or something photo is normal standard photo with no setup right from camera
I'm on Dec build in UK (not sure if that makes a difference but O2 network), I have had small teething issues but nothing like some of the major bugs that have been mentioned. Are we using different variants or something?
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My concern is that Google may not find a solution for the P6P reception problems and will have a Nexus 6P issue on its hands. Lawsuits caused many Nexus 6P to be replaced with Pixels so in theory it could happen again but 10 months is a long way from now.
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Please no!
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I don't even know who that is, nor do I really care. However, and this is a big but, if he has a following of thousands of users who buy phones for multiple family members and go on social media platforms then it becomes a problem. Not here because it seems no one is on social media round these parts, but this is the extreme minority. So call it where it belongs, the phone is buggy.. big time. I'm not talking about battery life either, I'm talking about not being able to make a phone call or receive a text. That is major. If I want stability I go with one of the big guns, Apple or Google. Pure iPhone experience and pure Android experience. There is nothing pure about this Pixel 6 series. OEMs compromising and releasing a device that is obviously flawed is not a great model for success. I don't want a Samsung or an iPhone. I want a Pixel. There is absolutely no reason I should put up with a test device when they touted this as the phone of the year. Next generation doesn't interest me right about now. I want a phone with security updates that are current and a device that always can receive a phone call and text. It is not the Pixel 6 no matter how many excuses you can come up with.
If this was a test device at least tell me that. If they are working out problems fitting stuff in then let me know. I easily could have kept my pristine P5 but I was led to believe this was a finished product and, I repeat, the phone of the year. the iPhone killer the every other phone killer. Well the P6 just got killed by their own hands and if you can't admit it then nothing I can say will change your mind.
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He's got 15.2 million subscribers on YouTube. But I agree with you. You would think Google put a little more resources behind it, especially with their big marketing push.
I have a typo and almost every single sentence when doing voice dictation. Maybe I have a stroke happening and my speech is the issue but I'm heavily dependent on it and have been relying on it for years without a problem.
It's just one of the many bugs I'm dealing with, but by no means the end of the world... I ran the A12 betas on my 4XL and it was a rather good experience. Basically all the new features I use specific to the 6pro are broken. I'm hoping that January will be our lucky month
The only issue I have is a bluetooth audio streaming. I need to reconnect it one or two times to make it work.
yeah my second Pixel 6 pro went back to google yesterday, I have had issues with both 6 pro`s I have had, so I`m back to my 9 pro for now. guess wait and see what happens with the S22 ultra or the 10 pro.
After Samsung announced yesterday that the entire S21 (last year!) and S22 lineup will receive 4 (!) major OS updates, this article popped up on 9to5.
(just for recapitulation and to bring you up to speed in case you are not aware: The "new" Pixel 6 will only receive 3 major OS updates)
What do you guys think?
Personally, I have the same expectation. All these years we had these "Qualcomm only gives 3 years support" - excuses, why Google wasn't - supposedly - able to offer more than 3 years of OS updates with the Pixel phones. That is, as we now know - since Samsung does support a Qualcomm chip for more than 3 years - just a petty excuse.
And now? Now that Google has its own chipset?
Still not more. Now the reason is clear: Greed. Google doesn't want to spend more money than absolutely necessary. That is a shame. The Pixel community deserves better.
If Google wants to take this adventure serious, 5 years of OS updates should be the minimum.
Comment: Google has no excuses left for limiting the Pixel 6 to just three Android updates
The moment Samsung officially expanded its update policy to deliver four major Android updates, Google's Pixel 6 policy stopped being enough.
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Morgrain said:
After Samsung announced yesterday that the entire S21 (last year!) and S22 lineup will receive 4 (!) major OS updates, this article popped up on 9to5.
What do you guys think?
Personally, I have the same expectation. All these years we had these "Qualcomm only gives 3 years support" - excuses, why Google wasn't - supposedly - able to offer more than 3 years of OS updates with the Pixel phones. That is, as we now know - since Samsung does support a Qualcomm chip for more than 3 years - just a petty excuse.
And now? Now that Google has its own chipset?
Still not more. Now the reason is clear: Greed. Google doesn't want to spend more money than absolutely necessary. That is a shame. The Pixel community deserves better.
If Google wants to take this adventure serious, 5 years of OS updates should be the minimum.
Comment: Google has no excuses left for limiting the Pixel 6 to just three Android updates
The moment Samsung officially expanded its update policy to deliver four major Android updates, Google's Pixel 6 policy stopped being enough.
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I'm pretty sure Google is offering 5 years of upgrades on the Pixel 6 phones.
At least security patches anyway.
bouchigo said:
I'm pretty sure Google is offering 5 years of upgrades on the Pixel 6 phones.
At least security patches anyway.
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Yes, they promised 5 years of security patches, but we are talking about OS upgrades only. Thus getting Android 13, 14 and 15 is guaranteed, but we would like a version or two more.
skoda9635 said:
Yes, they promised 5 years of security patches, but we are talking about OS upgrades only. Thus getting Android 13, 14 and 15 is guaranteed, but we would like a version or two more.
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I should have read the article, but it's too long... Just skimmed through it just now.
I could see how it would be beneficial to those keeping their phones that long, but I keep my phone's max. 2 years.
bouchigo said:
I should have read the article, but it's too long... Just skimmed through it just now.
I could see how it would be beneficial to those keeping their phones that long, but I keep my phone's max. 2 years.
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It's also beneficial for YOU when you want to sell your phone, since it will still be a top up to date device, that's also a reason why used IPhones have high prices - even old models still get OS updates.
There is no reason whatsoever NOT to want long OS updates as a user, since that is beneficial in every way.
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It's also beneficial for YOU when you want to sell your phone, since it will still be a top up to date device, that's also the reason why used IPhones have high prices - even old models still get OS updates.
There is no reason whatsoever NOT to want long OS updates as a user, since that is beneficial in every way.
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This will likely be a hand-me-down phone. The 5 years of security patches should be good enough in my use case.
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This will likely be a hand-me-down phone. The 5 years of security patches should be good enough in my use case.
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Which means that the person that will get your phone for free will still have a top up to date device for years to come. The phones value will still remain high and ensures that the person that you will hand your phone down to will have more fun AND will be able to fetch a higher price later on, since that "downhanded" phone will at some point probably be sold by that next person. Having a phone with 5 years (or more) of OS updates is beneficial in every way, to every person along the line that should ever use a phone.
How can you not see the glory of several years of OS updates? It doesn't cost you anything, but it makes a product so much better. Security updates alone mean very little. Running years behind new features and capabilities is detrimental to a user experience. Especially since major OS updates offer massive updates in Kernels and drivers and often offer completely new tech (just think about codecs like LDAC which were introduced with an OS update), something that security updates do not deliver.
I'm sure Big G will cave to the pressure on the 7 and offer 5 years of OS updates. Or they could change their mind and offer it on the 6's. But just because Samsung is offering OS updates for 5 years, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea. How will the user experience be after 2-3 years? I have my old Nexus 6 laying around and Nexus 6p and I can tell you it's not really the greatest experience on their latest versions. Apps take quite some time to load, there's plenty of jank, and it's no longer a fluid experience. Granted, hardware has gotten a lot stronger, but eventually the newer OS versions will bog down the dated hardware and the user experience will decline. I would think those users would rather go for a budget line and upgrade every 2 years for a reasoanble experience and expense. Budget phones have gotten a lot better and it's insane what some of them offer you for $300-$400+~.
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I'm sure Big G will cave to the pressure on the 7 and offer 5 years of OS updates. Or they could change their mind and offer it on the 6's. But just because Samsung is offering OS updates for 5 years, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea. How will the user experience be after 2-3 years? I have my old Nexus 6 laying around and Nexus 6p and I can tell you it's not really the greatest experience on their latest versions. Apps take quite some time to load, there's plenty of jank, and it's no longer a fluid experience. Granted, hardware has gotten a lot stronger, but eventually the newer OS versions will bog down the dated hardware and the user experience will decline. I would think those users would rather go for a budget line and upgrade every 2 years for a reasoanble experience and expense. Budget phones have gotten a lot better and it's insane what some of them offer you for $300-$400+~.
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It depends on the hardware power. My Pixel 2 XL with a Snapdragon 835 (4 1/2 years old) is still running smooth and without problem. Nowadays processors have become very strong. And in the rare case that a device should slow down a bit, in 90% of the cases that can be solved with a factory reset.
Just think about that example - my Pixel 2 XL is still running strong. The only things that made me update? Battery and OS updates.
Of course, Google wants that. That is why they don't want more OS updates. Having an EoL phone means users will probably update. What Google doesn't see is that this destroys the used market, just look at IPhones. Their value remains ridiculously high after several years, since people don't need to care about the hardware - they will all have the same, modern software experience. And Pixels?
Oh dear. A Pixel 3 can maybe fetch 80 bucks. A Pixel 2? Less. They have basically lost their entire worth.
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I'm sure Big G will cave to the pressure on the 7 and offer 5 years of OS updates. Or they could change their mind and offer it on the 6's. But just because Samsung is offering OS updates for 5 years, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea. How will the user experience be after 2-3 years? I have my old Nexus 6 laying around and Nexus 6p and I can tell you it's not really the greatest experience on their latest versions. Apps take quite some time to load, there's plenty of jank, and it's no longer a fluid experience. Granted, hardware has gotten a lot stronger, but eventually the newer OS versions will bog down the dated hardware and the user experience will decline. I would think those users would rather go for a budget line and upgrade every 2 years for a reasoanble experience and expense. Budget phones have gotten a lot better and it's insane what some of them offer you for $300-$400+~.
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I hope Google gonna fold and give the 6 users also 5 or at least 4 OS updates. I think in the next years this might change or they'll just do it without announcing. Who knows what Project Mainline will bring us.
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I hope Google gonna fold and give the 6 users also 5 or at least 4 OS updates. I think in the next years this might change or they'll just do it without announcing. Who knows what Project Mainline will bring us.
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I doubt it a bit.
Google has gotten stingy in the most recent years.
They took away Google Photos unlimited storage.
They took away Pixels unlimited upload.
They now force people to swallow several ads before EVERY Youtube video, an obvious attempt to push Youtube Premium subscriptions (Vanced for life).
They took away several GCam features and locked it behind Google One.
Google One itself is a good example, since Google is pushing their "pay us if you want something" hard.
Once, Google offered most its services for free and kept itself floating through ads revenue.
Now? They want BOTH monthly subscriptions AND ads revenue. They went greedy. Maybe they will cave in under the pressure... but that would require GREAT pressure. That would require that even the self-centered ones that do not see the immediate benefit to themselves ("I only use my phone for 2 years, why should I care") begin to voice such a claim.
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It depends on the hardware power. My Pixel 2 XL with a Snapdragon 835 (4 1/2 years old) is still running smooth and without problem. Nowadays processors have become very strong. And in the rare case that a device should slow down a bit, in 90% of the cases that can be solved with a factory reset.
Just think about that example - my Pixel 2 XL is still running strong. The only things that made me update? Battery and OS updates.
Of course, Google wants that. That is why they don't want more OS updates. Having an EoL phone means users will probably update. What Google doesn't see is that this destroys the used market, just look at IPhones. Their value remains ridiculously high after several years, since people don't need to care about the hardware - they will all have the same, modern software experience. And Pixels?
Oh dear. A Pixel 3 can maybe fetch 80 bucks. A Pixel 2? Less. They have basically lost their entire worth.
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That's good to know that the older hardware is now holding it's own compared to the devices that I listed. I haven't kept any of my older pixels as I passed them on or traded them in. I'm all for devices having a longer shelf life to keep them out of landfills and reduce electronic waste. That definitely is one of the factors why iPhones retain more value. But the Pixels will need more than the 5 year OS update guarantee to retain value like iPhones do.
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I hope Google gonna fold and give the 6 users also 5 or at least 4 OS updates. I think in the next years this might change or they'll just do it without announcing. Who knows what Project Mainline will bring us.
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Indeed, would be great for those that plan on keeping the devices for longer than two years.
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That definitely is one of the factors why iPhones retain more value. But the Pixels will need more than the 5 year OS update guarantee to retain value like iPhones do.
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I appreciate iphone but I don't think longevity of updates is why they keep their value, at least not a big part of it. I think the building of the brand into something synonymous with luxury is what got it it's staying power when it comes to retaining cost.
Better customer support is also a huge factor.
But android as an ecosystem needs more than multiple years of updates to get to that point.
If anything the hugest element is the fact that there isn't a physical building I can go to with people trained to know my device in and out. Apple has that, the apple store itself is an experience. While we scrounge on message boards and get first lvl call center techs telling me to reboot my phone while they diddle on their iphone.
There is a store out there my grandma can just walk into and hand her phone off to someone that actually knows about that device.
I don't get why people still demand something more. You knew what you were buying before you bought it. Why to demand something more now?
I mean why
Mikulec said:
I don't get why people still demand something more. You knew what you were buying before you bought it. Why to demand something more now?
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I mean why not. You want customers, you provide incentives for people to choose your product over another. It's not like it's hurting anyone to expect a company to stay competitive.
I see nothing wrong with consumers leveraging purchase power. And it's not like retroactively increasing the support lifetime is unheard of.
Who gives a squat about OS updates when they can't even get 12 right?
You almost need a minor in Entomology to keep track of the bugs. Their engineers might learn something if they followed critical path analysis of the possible effects undetected software errors may have and accept those with little impact and not let errors pass that could brick a phone. Similar to the best practices aviation engineers follow to certify aircraft software per DO-178C.
Offering as long term software support as possible is of course a good thing but think about the battery. As currently there are no phones from top class with easily changeable battery do you think that after 3 years or more this phone will be usable if you charge it every day (which most users do)? My previous experience shows that i never kept phone for more than 3 years and on average i buy new one after just 2 years.
There is also one more thing to consider and it is when you will receive the promised updates. Google always releases the new android early (around october) and for all devices simultaneously. Other manufacturers usually update their current flagship relatively fast before the end of year but the other models can get it even as late as spring or summer of next year.
Of course if google could provide 5 years of major android upgrades this would be great but the current policy of 3 major upgrades plus 2 more years of security updates is something with which i was aware when i bought the phone and is good enough for me personally.
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Which means that the person that will get your phone for free will still have a top up to date device for years to come. The phones value will still remain high and ensures that the person that you will hand your phone down to will have more fun AND will be able to fetch a higher price later on, since that "downhanded" phone will at some point probably be sold by that next person. Having a phone with 5 years (or more) of OS updates is beneficial in every way, to every person along the line that should ever use a phone.
How can you not see the glory of several years of OS updates? It doesn't cost you anything, but it makes a product so much better. Security updates alone mean very little. Running years behind new features and capabilities is detrimental to a user experience. Especially since major OS updates offer massive updates in Kernels and drivers and often offer completely new tech (just think about codecs like LDAC which were introduced with an OS update), something that security updates do not deliver.
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I'm only replying to the very first portion of your post, since that is all that really concerns me.
I'm sure the person getting the phone (who will be 7 years old at that point) won't mind. She will just use it to play games and watch YouTube. By the time she is done with it (it will be a 4-5 year old phone) the battery will be trash, and time for a new phone.
Just like I accepted that I see how it could be beneficial to some to have updates/OS upgrades for longer, you should accept that others don't require that, nor should they have to just because you believe it's "necessary".
If later I want updates for a longer period of time, maybe I will switch to Samsung...ah, no I won't And if the value of the phone is less when I go to sell it, or trade it in, then so be it.
I never got people arguing against folks requesting more support or more options.
Especially when the main point of contention is "well I don't need it". A mass produced consumer product fortunely needs to address the needs of a wide range of users. Not just one person that doesn't care because the added support won't benefit them.
It's not hard to not personally need something yet appreciate why someone else might benefit. I've literally never used phone insurance. Doesn't mean I don't understand why someone might want or need it.
As I've made known my opinion in the past, anytime there's a discussion about what Google doesn't do with their Pixels that they conceivably could, I always suspect Samsung strong-arming Google behind the scenes. "You want to use our chips? You want us to make your CPU? You want to buy the screen from us? Here's the list of things we require (besides money), and here is the list of components we're willing to sell you."
Complete speculation on my part, but I don't think it's an unreasonable suspicion. It would certainly answer a lot of questions of "why".