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Both browsers on my Tilt2 (IE and Opera) seem to have some serious problems where the screen is at times unresponsive or extremely slow. This seems to happen in 3G and Wifi.
Actually, I saw these types of problems in a review at: http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/htc-tilt-2/10602.html which said: "Nowhere did the HTC Tilt 2 give us more trouble than in the browsers. Both the standard Internet Explorer browser and the Opera Mobile browser gave us serious trouble, with an unresponsive screen that always took numerous taps to register a click on a Web link. It was a very strange issue, as finger scrolling was much more responsive. But when we wanted to click on a link, or when we wanted to tap the address bar to change our URL, the phone would require multiple taps, which was a seriously annoying issue."
Have others experienced this? Is the phone a complete lemon? Is anyone aware of a what could be wrong and/or a fix?
Experiencing the exact same thing.
At stock, don't expect the TP2 to run flawlessly, and this device is certainly not a lemon. Flashing a custom rom to this device improves its usability, and even functionality in some areas, But of course, it depends on the rom that is installed. It would help to scour these forums as there are numerous fixes and enhancements for the WM platform that'll make you enjoy it
I am not expecting it to run flawlessly. I assume, as you are with T Mobile, that you do not have the Tilt2. My experience with the Tilt2 is that both browsers are just non-functional given the complete lack of responsiveness. I understand that there are many things that can be done to it, but it seems like it should simply not be operating like this out of the gate. I would be pleased to do what I can to increase performance, but purchasing a new product that is not functional with the goal of enhancing performance should not be acceptable. Please understand, that out of the box when I click on a link many times it simply does not work and when it does, it often takes minutes to connect (in some cases worse than a throw back to dial-up connection speeds). If this is what Windows Mobile has come to, as a consumer device it really will continue to become obsolete with a very small user base. I am hopeful that it is not WinMo as I have had Pocket PCs since they came out and hope to remain faithfull.
That said, I have done a considerable amount of searching in the forum. If there is something you would recommend for this specific browser issue, I would very much appreciate the reference. Thanks.
While I wouldn't say that Opera is "unusable", it's definitely slow. I've read on the forums that Opera Mobile 9.7, which is currently in beta, seems to be significantly faster. Though, it lacks Flash if you care about that sort of thing.
I haven't tried it yet but it seems like a worthwhile shot.
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While I wouldn't say that Opera is "unusable", it's definitely slow. I've read on the forums that Opera Mobile 9.7, which is currently in beta, seems to be significantly faster. Though, it lacks Flash if you care about that sort of thing.
I haven't tried it yet but it seems like a worthwhile shot.
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Do any of guys use skyfire(this by far the best option), also check the proxy setup, Third just heads up, when I was selecting diferent option packages from ATT they initially screwed up my data connect and I was getting block out of there proxy, once this was corrected all is well but Skyfire is still the best released product.
Skyfire works, but its not very clear unless you zoom in. I have Opera beta but you can't use the zoom slider and its only marginally better.
Iris (God rest its soul) is okay but its not fast either. I wonders why none of them are cutting the mustard.
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Do any of guys use skyfire(this by far the best option), also check the proxy setup, Third just heads up, when I was selecting diferent option packages from ATT they initially screwed up my data connect and I was getting block out of there proxy, once this was corrected all is well but Skyfire is still the best released product.
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I prefer not to use Skyfire because it's completely insecure. I went to my fantasy football website and found some other user's session logged in. Had I wanted to be a jerk, I could have dropped all of his good players and replaced them with players from the Detroit Lions.
Seriously, though...if you use Skyfire be very careful what sites you visit as all of the data is rendered remotely and will be seen by others.
CAVEAT before I begin: I had pretty good connection with Opera (on 3G) out of the box.
As others have said on this thread, first thing is to disable the AT&T proxy (Start\Tools\Proxy Manager\Disable Proxy -- then soft reset), unless you want to use AT&T's Media Mall and other bloatware that requires an Internet connection.
In Opera the proxy still sticks unless you manually edit the opera.ini file. See this post here for instructions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4771442#post4771442
I had to do this, or Opera would not connect at all under Wi-Fi. Speed also seems to be improved.
It sounds, though, that you're speaking more about screen sensitivity. It seems that you have to zoom in more (than on a Fuze, at least) to get a link to actually respond when touched. This may sound simplistic, but note that when the Tilt2 boots up for the first time (or after hard reset), it does not run through the screen-alignment process as the fuze and other phones do. Go to Start\Settings\System\Screen and do the alignment -- it helped a bit on my phone. And every little bit counts...
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I've very disappointed with the AT&T Tilt 2. I've tried several ROMs but the MS IE is slow in all of them. In some of them the Opera gets download speeds of over 1000 kbps. However, the MS IE is usually down around 300 kbps.
This is unacceptable. I used the same sim in my original AT&T Tilt 1 and I get 1200 kbps. What gives??
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My experience with the Tilt2 is that both browsers are just non-functional given the complete lack of responsiveness.
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That's been my experience, too. Even with an excellent 3G connection (a megabit usually, or close to it, and sometimes better than that), and with the AT&T proxy disabled, both Opera and IE are utterly unusable on my Tilt 2 with WM 6.5.
And I can't blame Touch-flo. I don't even use it.
As a result, I run Skyfire as my default browser unless I'm in a place where I can't get a strong 3G signal. Then I switch to Opera Mini. Both are fast enough to keep me very happy.
I've wasted too much time trying to get Opera to do anything other than annoy me. Try some cooked ROMs, or switch. Otherwise, you're wasting your time.
i agree
I dont even bother to tap the links anymore, i navigate through them using the arrow keys and then press enter. I find them completely unresponsive to taps.
concur that the browsers suck
Too bad that there isn't a safari port....
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While I wouldn't say that Opera is "unusable", it's definitely slow. I've read on the forums that Opera Mobile 9.7, which is currently in beta, seems to be significantly faster. Though, it lacks Flash if you care about that sort of thing.
just bought mine yesterday and it is un-usable taking 20-30 min. to access and sign into my ebay account is pretty much un-usable. My 8925 wasn't the fastest but I coud access the web w/o taking 2-5 min per page. I took my iphone back thinking this would be atleast as good as or better than my 8925,boy was i wrong.And now they tell me I only get one return(iphone) so I am stuck with this beautiful p.o.s.
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i also experience problem with it. My experience seem to be that if I have both IE and opera running together, it will cause the unit not responsive. So far, I kind of stuck with IE as it seem to work better than opear.
Try the Opera 10 Beta, it is masses better than Opera 9 as far as interface experience and speed. never liked IE mobile and skyfire has potential but still feels unfinished.
Opera 10 has a really nice tabbed browsing system and is finger friendly. haven't seen any responsiveness issues. The other thing to consider is what else you are running in background, is Opera 9 still running in background? it could be slowing everything else down.
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My browser will only let me open 4 pages. Why is this, any ideas? To prevent excessive memory usage?
I remember reading somewhere that it has something to do with how thumbnails are displayed.
The only way around it is installing an alternative browser like Opera Mini, Dolphin, Steel, etc.
Though I don't see why would you need more that a couple of tabs open on a phone.
Well I do seem to need more than 4 tabs open, just habit I suppose...
I have used Steel and Dolphin before, but I'm really liking the built-in browser, apart from a couple of niggles - the second one being that when long-pressing a link (to bring up the "open in new window" menu), half the time it launches the text highlighting tool :-(
Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
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Well I do seem to need more than 4 tabs open, just habit I suppose...
I have used Steel and Dolphin before, but I'm really liking the built-in browser, apart from a couple of niggles - the second one being that when long-pressing a link (to bring up the "open in new window" menu), half the time it launches the text highlighting tool :-(
Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
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Might want to calibrate the screen?
I'm also finding that after browsing for a while, the browser will refuse to open a new page at all, it seems to start loading the new page, then stops loading part-way through.
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I'm also finding that after browsing for a while, the browser will refuse to open a new page at all, it seems to start loading the new page, then stops loading part-way through.
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This problem is now starting to really bug me.
I'm browsing for half an hour or so, and then the browser will just freeze up, and refuse to completely load the current page, links won't work, bookmarks won't open. Clearing the cache doesn't fix the problem, and since there's no way to exit the browser then I'm having to reboot the phone.
Anyone else suffering this way?
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This problem is now starting to really bug me.
I'm browsing for half an hour or so, and then the browser will just freeze up, and refuse to completely load the current page, links won't work, bookmarks won't open. Clearing the cache doesn't fix the problem, and since there's no way to exit the browser then I'm having to reboot the phone.
Anyone else suffering this way?
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Hi
I have the similar issue, but it appears only when I switch from Wifi to mobile connection. The only solution I've found is kill browser. Can you please check if it's the same at your side ? if yes it's propably bug in web browser app, because market and everything else is working fine.
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I have the similar issue, but it appears only when I switch from Wifi to mobile connection. The only solution I've found is kill browser. Can you please check if it's the same at your side ? if yes it's propably bug in web browser app, because market and everything else is working fine.
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No, it's happening to me whether I'm on wifi or 3G (and not switching between the two). I don't have a task manager installed to kill the browser, so I'm having to reboot. Very annoying.
Also another persistent problem is that sometimes the browser will just quit with no warning, when clicking links. It's happened about 6 or 7 times, during (estimated) 4 or 5hrs browsing. When you restart the browser any open windows you had are gone.
I'm not at all impressed with the lack of stability of this browser. I know I could use Steel or Dolphin (with no Flash) instead.
I'm getting a replacement tomorrow, due to the "pink screen" issue, so I'm hoping this handset I have now is just a lemon.
Sadly, I'm thinking maybe they will all be the same. These issues, along with the poor calibration/recognition of where my finger is on the touchscreen sometimes, and the lack of a physical keyboard, are starting to make me re-think my decision about getting this phone.
Even more sadly, my friend's iPhones are looking increasingly more and more attractive :-(
If you don't mind for not having Flash (like iPhone), then you can download "Opera Mini 5" from the Market.
It is much faster and probably will give you better browsing experience.
I am using it for my WM device for years and cannot live without it.
The speed is just so damn fast!
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No, it's happening to me whether I'm on wifi or 3G (and not switching between the two). I don't have a task manager installed to kill the browser, so I'm having to reboot. Very annoying.
Also another persistent problem is that sometimes the browser will just quit with no warning, when clicking links. It's happened about 6 or 7 times, during (estimated) 4 or 5hrs browsing. When you restart the browser any open windows you had are gone.
I'm not at all impressed with the lack of stability of this browser. I know I could use Steel or Dolphin (with no Flash) instead.
I'm getting a replacement tomorrow, due to the "pink screen" issue, so I'm hoping this handset I have now is just a lemon.
Sadly, I'm thinking maybe they will all be the same. These issues, along with the poor calibration/recognition of where my finger is on the touchscreen sometimes, and the lack of a physical keyboard, are starting to make me re-think my decision about getting this phone.
Even more sadly, my friend's iPhones are looking increasingly more and more attractive :-(
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So ok here goes. I was playing around with the kin Twom and it's browser. So I went to the YouTube mobile site m.YouTube.com.it tries to play the videos but fails saying the phone can't play the video. Until one video. After clearing the cache and trying again sure enough it came. Right up. The name of the video was called lucky shot and it was the top favorites of the day. But it played. And played fine. Now I had no clue the kin could do this. So I tried youporn without any success but at the same time it sill attempts to play the file. Anyone else been able to get a video to play. I mean it looks like its supposed to but just not completed. Let's get to testing...
EDIT: I've been able to load some more sites. So I'm going to start a list of working video sites. Take into account that these sites only work when the planets are aligned and I'm assuming because it's the night of the super moon lol. But keep clearing cache and keep trying. The porn sites I list are only because there are very few mobile video sites that dont require HTML 5 or are device specific. So please don't judge me too harshly. It seems that 3gp and mp4 works for the most part.
www.porntube.com
www.YouTube.com
www.zoovision.com
mobile.traileraddict.com unbelievable quality near hd
m.revision3.com near hd quality fast site too watched an entire episode of destructoid
sap.splol.com/videos.html slow to load and audio is off?
Sites that don't work
m.comedycentral.com
m.funnyordie.com
Although i found the above quite interesting.. why dont you just post the link?.
You passed the no linkign limit and hell, just paste the vid id in other case.
How many "lucky shots" can be on YT? ****, it's not "a complex name that will identifiy a vid better" title...
I have watched lots of videos on Youtube. No problems at all!
Instead watching some *cough* porn *cough* on the Kin, a smarter approach would be to use wireshark or any wifi sniffer so you can get the MIME type of the request and response to the kin from this flash-usage websites.
Just because flash can have (much) more access to a filesystem that html and javascript.. you know..... ... and we can code flash and so.....
My kin plays videos fine. I've used youtube since I got the device. Occasionally it won't play the video. Or sometimes it is VERY laggy. At first I thought it was perhaps my internet connection but after trying it on my schools network(Which is business class and has download speeds of over 60mb/s) and encountering the same problem I decided it was the device.
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Instead watching some *cough* porn *cough* on the Kin, a smarter approach would be to use wireshark or any wifi sniffer so you can get the MIME type of the request and response to the kin from this flash-usage websites.
Just because flash can have (much) more access to a filesystem that html and javascript.. you know..... ... and we can code flash and so.....
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I'm currently working on that now just to no avail. It looks like flash is completely ignored so I'm sure it's just using direct link MP4, M4V, or 3GP files and streaming those instead. Access to the file system (without bricking the machine) would be the most useful at the moment. Though I'm sure with as buggy as the firmware is it shouldn't be too hard to exploit the machine. It's just to get those who know what to do with an exploit into assisting us. Think about it. This machine is only $50 right now and doesn't require a data plan so it's essentially an almost smartphone that doesn't require a data plan. And if we can get android on it then it will be a smartphone without a data plan LOL. So I'll keep testing.
The reason I didn't post the link was I really didn't feel like hand typing the entire URL to the video when I found out very quickly while posting the video that quite a few other Youtube videos work just fine as well but it's really a crap shoot.
My Kin two m is terrible with videos. I've tried the wifi at home and work, both are fast networks, both are terrible on my kin. On youTube I get a second of video, 15 seconds or more of buffering. What's worse is that the videos don't even seem to cache so if you manage to stagger your way through a whole video and then start it over, it buffers its way through the entire thing all over again. The media player often freezes up my browser too. The other times the phone just says "PLAYBACK PROBLEM Can't play this video on the phone." For now I'm kind of giving up on watching videos on this phone.
Try clearing your Browser cache in settings and rebooting the phone. Also try mobile.traileraddict.com and let me know how your phone does there. If they play correctly then it's probably a localized YouTube caching issue. That just means that most videos you are attempting to view haven't been viewed much in your area. It happens with quite a few videos for me. It's the way that YouTube does it's video delivery service. The more people watch one video in an area the more likely it's going to be stored on a local node. It's also the reason some YouTube videos on your PC load quicker than others.
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Try clearing your Browser cache in settings and rebooting the phone. Also try mobile.traileraddict.com and let me know how your phone does there. If they play correctly then it's probably a localized YouTube caching issue. That just means that most videos you are attempting to view haven't been viewed much in your area. It happens with quite a few videos for me. It's the way that YouTube does it's video delivery service. The more people watch one video in an area the more likely it's going to be stored on a local node. It's also the reason some YouTube videos on your PC load quicker than others.
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Hi! Thanks for the tips. I tried clearing everything and rebooting. youTube still lags like crazy. I didn't know that about the way youTube caches. That's a bummer. Just watched the Cars 2 trailer at traileraddict and it played all the way through, looked great too. Wish it wasn't so picky about where it gets its videos from, ha.
m.collegehumor.com doesn't seem to work. Gives a "This page cannot be displayed" message.
What I've found its....
From my experience on youtube with the kin 2, I've found that higher quality and longer videos (like around longer than 5-7 minutes) end up crashing the video player (or coming up with an error). I usually don't watch youtube on the kin for that reason (that half the videos I want to watch like minecraft videos don't work) but at least we know that the kin wasn't completely abandoned of youtube playback.
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m.collegehumor.com doesn't seem to work. Gives a "This page cannot be displayed" message.
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Same for me.
pacermike said:
Hi! Thanks for the tips. I tried clearing everything and rebooting. youTube still lags like crazy. I didn't know that about the way youTube caches. That's a bummer. Just watched the Cars 2 trailer at traileraddict and it played all the way through, looked great too. Wish it wasn't so picky about where it gets its videos from, ha.
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I think it's the playback format provided by the site that's causing the most hangups. I'm looking into making a site that would essentially provide stream links to the MP4 480-720p formats that are provided by Youtube but not streamed to this device by default. The format should work and it's going to be based on ps3youtube.com which is somewhat similar (sort of). For now I'm going to check and see about m.collegehumor.com. Check and try the regular collegehumor.com and see if it automatically switches to the mobile interface version of the site. Let me know how you guys fair. I know most people are going to give up but I'll figure out a way we can enjoy the KIN Two to the fullest.
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I think it's the playback format provided by the site that's causing the most hangups. I'm looking into making a site that would essentially provide stream links to the MP4 480-720p formats that are provided by Youtube but not streamed to this device by default. The format should work and it's going to be based on ps3youtube.com which is somewhat similar (sort of). For now I'm going to check and see about m.collegehumor.com. Check and try the regular collegehumor.com and see if it automatically switches to the mobile interface version of the site. Let me know how you guys fair. I know most people are going to give up but I'll figure out a way we can enjoy the KIN Two to the fullest.
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m.collegehumor.com is the mobile version of the site..
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m.collegehumor.com is the mobile version of the site..
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Yup but I've noticed that if you go straight to http://collegehumor.com then it correctly picks up the device as a mobile and works just fine.
The device exports mobile description through IE data.
So in short, you can get the OS info from the javascript code.
Read only, and very briefly, all being said.
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Yup but I've noticed that if you go straight to http://collegehumor.com then it correctly picks up the device as a mobile and works just fine.
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Nope. Sends me to m.collegehumor.com and videos don't play properly.
Hello, this is the first time I've started up a thread thingy or whatever you call it, so please go easy on me if I've butched this up or anything. I did a fair amount of searching before deciding to post this by the way.
The browser on my Telus variant seems to lose its pleasent smooth pinch zoom after using it for a while. At first I thought it was caused by switching the UA to Desktop, but tossed that idea after I experimented with the Mobile UA and recieved the same result. Then, I thought it could be because of the Kijiji website for the cause, and tossed that idea too after it happened on this very forum. Right now I'm almost convinced that it could be because the browser starts taking up lots of RAM, because everytime the issue starts, the amount of space it rakes in is over 140mb. This is probably wrong though... I don't have any technical knowledge on this really.
My question: Is there any fix for this issue? Or is anyone else experiencing this?
Thanks
i don't have lag 99% of the time
and the only time it lags is on those really bad pages with tons of ads and flash bombarments, or bad java scripted pages
kijiji loads fine no problem, however ebay some pages are a killer, but the same page also kills my browser on the PC, so at least that's consistent and you know it's a specific page or site issue an not the phone
Is anyone else having issues where anything that has to load from the internet (especially websites and photos) takes close to FOREVER on the 8.0 (5110)? Thought maybe the stock rom was borked somehow so flashed Slimkat (8.x) onto it but no change at all. Dolphin often freezes while loading websites, the Facebook app takes EONS to populate photos and even the Playstore takes AGES to load photos/icons for the apps that are available (almost the feeling of dialup). By comparison, my S3 which also has Slimkat on it (as well as the SAME versions of the FB app and Dolphin) takes close to no time at all to do all that (close to instant). I'm assuming that the amount of data each device is downloading is about the same so I don't think that has anything to do with it. Tried testing pings and traceroutes on various websites on BOTH devices and I get close to the same results on each (+/-) yet there seems like SOMETHING is bogging the Note 8.0 down when it comes to real-world (non-testing) use. It's not (router channel) interference as I've tried each on different bands and the Note keeps falling short. I'm at my wits end with this. Is there some hidden setting that I'm going to have to mess with or does this sound like a basket case?
Killed off ipv6 on my router and the problem seems to have gone away.
Now the question of course is WHY?