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We all have seen the videos with hd2 running windows mobile 7. If this is true then i just can say well done. But will it be available to public? Probably not because we have had the image to our disposal so far?
Who cares if it not running 100% or 80%. The android community showed us that the users try unfinished builds (as Desire HD) despite of the port state, so why not with wm7? Who cares if i brick my phone (its my own fault)?
Not that i don't hope one day i can try it on my hd2...
Is this open or closed community? why the developers are doing all this if they don't like to share at the early stage? what about donations for some developers here in forum? why they cannot use their influence to get us a build?
Or is it just about greedy Chinese?
gligi said:
We all have seen the videos with hd2 running windows mobile 7. If this is true then i just can say well done. But will it be available to public? Probably not because we have had the image to our disposal so far?
Who cares if it not running 100% or 80%. The android community showed us that the users try unfinished builds (as Desire HD) despite of the port state, so why not with wm7? Who cares if i brick my phone (its my own fault)?
Not that i don't hope one day i can try it on my hd2...
Is this open or closed community? why the developers are doing all this if they don't like to share at the early stage? what about donations for some developers here in forum? why they cannot use their influence to get us a build?
Or is it just about greedy Chinese?
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Please refer to this thread, which should answer all of your questions. Also, please try to be more culturally sensitive. How would you feel if someone wrote about your nationality asking if it is all about being greedy?
well ok i apologize if i offended the whole nation my thoughts were more oriented to few individuals.
the discussion in other thread is pretty much vague. sorry
what i don't understand that if you as developer work on some "open" project (despite of the fact that this can be one man project at the end) why so much mystery etc.? why do not include other people too?
gligi said:
well ok i apologize if i offended the whole nation my thoughts were more oriented to few individuals.
the discussion in other thread is pretty much vague. sorry
what i don't understand that if you as developer work on some "open" project (despite of the fact that this can be one man project at the end) why so much mystery etc.? why do not include other people too?
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To summarize the thread, there is at present no ROM from China that can be flashed. Some of the files being offered for download are just old emulator files. So far, we do not know how the phone in the video was configured, and attempts to get more information from those who recorded the video failed. There is speculation that it is one of the HD2s that was used as a testbed for the early development of WP7
Some of the guys on xda.cn have promised to keep us updated on any news about the development of a flashable ROM.
It is strange to me that when Cotulla posts a video of an HD2 booting up WP7 no one makes accusations that he is not sharing, but jump at the chance to do that when they see a video from China.
The best thing to do is just wait patiently for everyone who is working hard on porting WP7 to the HD2.
Starting threads speculating why China is not sharing information, or logging onto XDA.cn and blindly copy files without understanding they are not flashable files, only causes confusion, and even some resentment when xda.cn guys see some of the nonsense being posted on XDA-Developers.
As I suggested in the other thread, just cooling down, and waiting is all we can do. That holds true whether we are waiting for what Cotulla comes up with, or what our Chinese friends on xda.cn can come up with.
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It is strange to me that when Cotulla posts a video of an HD2 booting up WP7 no one makes accusations that he is not sharing.
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well i did it now when i wrote about "developers" and in other thread but the people talk about him as God so there is not much discussion possible (same as discussion with a priest about religion). some of those people do great work but on the other side they are just geeks. that much mystery on every single development is really childish.
we live today on open minded and connected world so i don't understand some stuff going in the minds of those individuals.
but tnx for the info. was very helpful. either way: i am already collecting money for a new htc device because i don't have any other choice (except to forget the wm7)
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Please refer to this thread, which should answer all of your questions. Also, please try to be more culturally sensitive. How would you feel if someone wrote about your nationality asking if it is all about being greedy?
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Right, better stay there!
Community Engagement on xda developers
Where has the spirit gone of developers, making something better for all.
We like to make our devices better then what "stock" brings us.
But some people seem to forget what we are doing here: Create & Share
Why do people think that the "Open Source" software we are modifying or hacking is theirs to claim or Copyright.
Why are we not sharing and making better what others create...
Has the spirit here really gone?
And do we just want FAME ! !
If I was to create an app and hack Android, HTC or Samsung software by re-writing and adding code to it.
If this took me hours to do, this is still "Open Source" and people can copy my code in to their work.
The devs here are all working in a "Grey" area, and it's really hard not to see your work else where.
Consider it as a compliment if it is that way.
It took Google, HTC & Samsung hours to create what they made, do we care, and not touch it...
I don't think so ! !
HTC encrypts the Sense software because they don't want people to modify it... Do we care?
I don't think so...
So why do people/devs here on xda think that they can claim it for themselves?
Why do other devs get banned, or threads get closed if something similar is published?
We all Kang from Google, HTC & Samsung, but if we use some code from our fellow devs on xda, are we doing something wrong?
I don't get this!
I would really like this to be an open discussion, and try to clear this up for all of us.
My intention is not to start a fight, so please reply in a civilized way.
This also not directed to anybody in person
I hope the XDA staff can put themselves in my/our position, and try to understand it from this point of view.
My thoughts 1 day later @ post 141
DutchDanny said:
After a full day on this thread, I got more response then what I expected.
Thank you all for your participation.
You took the time to read this and give your opinion.
You all made me grow in my opinion, and maybe even change it a bit
What did it bring me:
Sharing now is for me: Collectively Developing (tnx Hacre)
I have no problems in being wrong, and might not have picked the correct words in some parts.
HIS POST
Good explanation on how the staff thinks
Thanks to my friend Russ for his well spoken words
HIS POST - HIS POST
What is reasonable and what not.
Tnx Ben, my fellow team member got me thinking as well
HIS POST - HIS POST
What am I gonna do now
beside building a rom and a kernel....
Gonna dig even more in the smali code (tnx af974)
HIS POST - HIS POST
For me this discussion is finished... Tnx ALL I'm gonna move on...
If the staff thinks the same, lock it for reference.
Cheers
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The ETHOS of XDA-Developers
Back when I was a Senior Moderator, I was asked to put into words what the mythical Ethos of XDA-Developers was. This was then debated by the moderators, Administrators and owners, it was never formally adopted but it was accepted by most as the closest anyone had come to defining what XDA is (was).
Ethos: an English word based on a Greek word and denotes the guiding beliefs or ideals that characterize a community, a nation or an ideology.
XDA-Developers was founded on the simple principal that SHARING IS GOOD and when many people SHARE what they know, EVERYONE benefits. We exist upon this Ethos, we respect each other, we SHARE with each other, we do not judge one another and we HELP all who ask. We believe that while some may have more knowledge than another, none are more important.
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It pains me greatly to see how XDA has degraded over the years to become a playground of egos and pissing contests between little boys who think they own what they stole from someone else.
I have been a strong supporter of XDA for many, many years but, I find my desire to support XDA is waning as the climate of sharing and camaraderie shift toward a climate of ownership and entitlement.
agreed so many phones left behind due to ego and epeen ppl always bailing on phones just because its not popular it takes work to get publicity ...
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it was the same issues on the galaxy s2. people kanging others and people getting annoyed and ending up releasing stuff with the exclusivity and banning others from using it.
android is an open source at the end of the day. if someone wants to kang someone as long as credits are given and links to the originator's thread what is wrong with that? at the end of the day it should be a compliment to the originator that someone wants to kang your work and share it with the masses.
now i can understand if someone passes something over as their own and did not give credits. that is wrong and the culprits should be banned. but as stated above if proper credits are given then i do not see the harm in things.
but again on the flip side though if i was to spend hours and hours on something then the person who asks me for permission they should respect that i do not want to share...it kinda goes both ways really so it is hard to judge...but there are devs and themers included who act like real divas and most of the time now they do things for fame as Danny mentioned.
at the end of the day we are xda and we are here as a community and here to make our phones better and that is why the devs on this awesome site come in...devs should be sharing ideas together..not competing against each other
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agreed so many phones left behind due to ego and epeen ppl always bailing on phones just because its not popular it takes work to get publicity ...
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Not sure we are talking about the same thing here my friend, its a much more important subject, sharing, the main reason XDA exists (or so I thought)
btw, thanked u when i was trying to quote ya, oh well, Ill share some love
There is really no better way to say it as both Danny and Russ summarized it very well. We are all here for one reason and one reason only, to SHARE. Isnt this what the "community" is about? I just hope the admins take a moment and reevaluate some of the people with powers around.
Ah before I forget, if you are gonna patent your "ideas" I really think its time for you to get a hold of apple, you already qualified with this mentality and in MY opinion, you do NOT belong here.
OK done venting... Thank u for listening.
DaDoctor said:
Not sure we are talking about the same thing here my friend, its a much more important subject, sharing, the main reason XDA exists (or so I thought)
btw, thanked u when i was trying to quote ya, oh well, Ill share some love
There is really no better way to say it as both Danny and Russ summarized it very well. We are all here for one reason and one reason only, to SHARE. Isnt this what the "community" is about? I just hope the admins take a moment and reevaluate some of the people with powers around.
Ah before I forget, if you are gonna patent your "ideas" I really think its time for you to get a hold of apple, you already qualified with this mentality and in MY opinion, you do NOT belong here.
OK done venting... Thank u for listening.
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oh trust me it happens in other forums as well. sometimes xda favors those who they want to favor and do not pay any attention to the other party and they side with those who they want to side with..it looks like politics sometimes and whoever is the topdog here should re-valuate the way the mods run the show here.
But the other thing though is devs who do not want to share there work, the dev who asked for permission and got knocked back should respect the other dev's decision. like i said at my post above it goes both ways. we can share but we can also not share as well....it is a difficult scenario really...but kanging and not getting permission is wrong
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oh trust me it happens in other forums as well. sometimes xda favors those who they want to favor and do not pay any attention to the other party and they side with those who they want to side with..it looks like politics sometimes and whoever is the topdog here should re-valuate the way the mods run the show here.
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Thats an other part of the discussion...
Who has the best friends here at XDA will win...
And those discussions are behind close doors.. As it would be better to show the "community" how they come to a decision.
And my post did not come out off the blue, but got me thinking on thinks that happend somewhere this week...
and made me a bit mad and disappointed @ xda
And I see a lot of people pushing the "thanks" button.. but I would like them to reply even more (hint xda staff )
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Thats an other part of the discussion...
Who has the best friends here at XDA will win...
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ahh mate that is so true. but not going to get into that. things should stay private specially between devs and mods. but sometimes us normal members like me would like to know what goes on though cause at the end of the day all this pickering effects the users of the roms cause we are the ones who miss out on class roms...so sometimes acting like kids is not always the best way to go about.
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ahh mate that is so true. but not going to get into that. things should stay private specially between devs and mods. but sometimes us normal members like me would like to know what goes on though cause at the end of the day all this pickering effects the users of the roms cause we are the ones who miss out on class roms...so sometimes acting like kids is not always the best way to go about.
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I would not wanna see the whole discussion, but they could publish the outcome in the thread(s) involved. So the community knows what happend and why.
And if all devs did share, the users would have even more choice to pick from.
And if all devs did share, the hack/tweak would only get better/bigger.
Here is my view on it.... we all agree that the spirit of XDA is about sharing. So if a certain person has spent many hours on programming/creating something and refuses to share it... why post it on XDA in the first place. I just don't get it, because in my eyes that's something small children do when one has something better than the others and refuses to share.
If you want to go 'look at what I've done, isn't it good, aren't I good?' And then go 'but you can't use it, because if you do I'm going to throw a tantrum...' Don't post it on XDA... somewhere, where the main rule is about sharing what you've done.
Just my opinion
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One of the main reason why I choose android is because of the openess of it. The reason why I'm in XDA is because of some great devs/hackers who spend time creating something wonderful and share it with the community without expecting anything in return. I really hope it stays that way.
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I would not wanna see the whole discussion, but they could publish the outcome in the thread(s) involved. So the community knows what happend and why.
And if all devs did share, the users would have even more choice to pick from.
And if all devs did share, the hack/tweak would only get better/bigger.
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DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you (at least in the part of permissions). If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
just my 2ct.
jotha said:
DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you. If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
just my 2ct.
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I know you and me never saw eye to eye but you could not have put it any better. Well written post.
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In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
I have to agree with the the majority so far, it does seem against the open source culture in which XDA tries to foster.
It does seem with the increase in "kanging" it creates a conundrum for Mods & Admins as to how to manage this, Do we enforce sharing? Do we try to create our own sort of "patent" system in which certain things must be shared under a so called "fair" use and other items such as themes for example be left under the current system we have as present?
We need to find a consensus amongst us as a community with a right way to proceed with this maybe danny could add a poll this to garner opinion on weather people would like to keep the current system or change it to get some sort of indication on weather the current system is working or not.
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DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you. If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
just my 2ct.
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I think you have a real good point there.
All that is released on XDA is under sharing policy.
And not to be claimed.
Credits are the least we could do...
btw: noting happend to me, but to members close to me.. But thanks
af974 said:
In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
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Please take this in consideration, cause this is what made me mad on xda for the decission it made this week, and what made me start this open discussion.
af974 said:
In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
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Very well said, but to stay in your example, couldn't it be that the rom WITHOUT the two apk's is really "better" (in the sense of "more popular") than the original? And as long as the creator of that second version stats in his OP the he took the complete work of dev 1 and streamlined it, shouldn't that be enough?
You are absolutely right. The problem really is that some (more and more) guys lack that deserved respect for developers and just don't credit the source, thus pi... off the creator and making him "close" the source, thus restraining true development (if only by removing two apk ). The way to ensure a "fair use" should be discussed and finally fixed. Staying with the situation we have now, that ppl can keep others from using their bits more or less deliberately, maybe just because they don't like their "nose", can't be right. If there are good reasons (history of kanging or whatever), thats something else again.
I'm very sorry, cause I'm not a real dev or themer or contributor, just a young Andoid user and member who's integrated one team after pass sometime to found or help others xda members.
Why I came here on xda site. I'm french, my english is average, but some french forums bored me, that's why I came here, for all that @danny, @russ try to explain in this thread.
And since a couple of time, all of this spirit is gone. For what ?
Money, glory, respect...maybe? But I think not for the last term.
I am here because I want to share and help other members.
But also and because the eco-system Android allows this exchange and to move forward development for the pleasure of all.
Then stop, stop theses local wars and let yours feets on earth.
If you want to make some money, don't diffuse your codes, I think it's not necessary to stay here. Open your site and nobody will be able to take your codes.
Thanks for your listening
Here are my feelings on it.
What has angered me with certain attitudes towards sharing in xda recently, is that it seems to have been initially offered, then retracted. We are given a taste, then told "no more, go make your own". Was the plan to hook us like junkies, then we'd all only have one place to run to for our "fix"? Then when we are all hooked, the price goes up? No more freedom. Only one choice. Is that how you should gain followers on xda? I think we've been treated like guinea pigs then discarded. Permission is withdrawn, refused, then terms like "respect" get banded about. Don't treat us like this.
So we break free. Start from fresh. We are off the hook. Clean. But someone doesn't like us off the hook, pushing our own "product" and, worried about some false notion of competition or turf invasion, goes to lengths to make sure there is only one messiah.
Except this isn't a competition. We are not rivals in different factions or tribes or gangs depending on what Rom we choose to get involved with. We should not be in it for glory, or to be the "Big Dog" whose Rom is forbidden fruit to be envied by those who choose to wear the wrong colors. We are not looking to amass the biggest army as a mark of our success.
Why has this gotten this far? Without getting bogged down in the legalities of open source and gpl, I just think some people in high places need to take a step back. Stop and think. Where do you draw the line between keeping healthy community, encouraging development, and simply looking after your "homies"?
I feel this line is currently drawn in the wrong place. And it didn't use to be.
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There does need to be a clear consensus and line drawn, so we can all ensure that the rules are clear and followed.
That being said; I, like many agree but also disagree.
Sharing here is much like in a store; you as a consumer have a choice. Now albeit here we do not pay for your 'goods' we do still take certain risks(warranty's etc). Now, XDA is also about offering choice so if the sharing policy extends to the point that we can take everything then what choice will be left. Much like you see everywhere on XDA choice is being eliminated everywhere as more builds are essentially the same but for a few wallpapers and tweaks in the build.prop which quite frankly ruins the whole point of having choice and there being more than one available.
Fair enough if someone has spent hours/days/weeks making something and shares it here but that shouldn't automatically then mean that every other 'dev' can bang it in theirs. All they have to do it ctrl+c, ctrl+v the thing after all your hard spent effort on it. The developer should be allowed to be proud of their work and it not to be diluted with it being everywhere. Yes I think we should help, share and combine efforts but if you have improved something and don't wish to share it then fair enough there is no law to state you have to and should someone effectively plagiarise your work then there should be punishments.
If I ask someone for something I would like and they say no, then I go get it myself or do without. I don't just take it anyway, that's what babies do when they don't understand the laws of society which even apply when you are online.
That's my input.
"They say it's not possible to enable on a 830"
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Yup, because it's also private hack
Why he not post a tutorial showing how-to, but warning the risk?
cause its not just simply editing some reg keys
Y2000 said:
Why he not post a tutorial showing how-to, but warning the risk?
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Yes, It's not only registry tweak.
Because He played with some private/unleaked stuff.
So why he is not going to publish anything upon that.
This "private stuffs" is drivers or apps from Microsoft? He can tell how to take this apps or drivers.
I hope he release the needed stuff to make continuum work on weak/old Lumias. I really need test this hack. XD
I use a Lumia 640 XL. (Sorry for my bad english...)
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This "private stuffs" is drivers or apps from Microsoft? He can tell how to take this apps or drivers.
I hope he release the needed stuff to make continuum work on weak/old Lumias. I really need test this hack. XD
I use a Lumia 640 XL. (Sorry for my bad english...)
also Windows 10 Enterprise, not Big Bad Bollocks aka Windows 10
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also Windows 10 Enterprise, not Big Bad Bollocks aka Windows 10
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I don't understand, what's W10 Enterprise got to do with this? Could you elaborate, please?
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also Windows 10 Enterprise, not Big Bad Bollocks aka Windows 10
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getting Windows 10 mobile Enterprise is not a problem(just google it),what the "private stuff " is the mystery here
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"They say it's not possible to enable on a 830"
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I talk to that french guy Gus, he told me the same... : "I cant tell you how to do it, i use special MS tool...".
Sounds like BS to me..... I'm sure if he had the right solution he would have told us.
Please, if you get any lead on how to do it, let us know (I already tried registry hack and other whitout success
Cheer
gus isnt talking bull****
pierrottls31 said:
I talk to that french guy Gus, he told me the same... : "I cant tell you how to do it, i use special MS tool...".
Sounds like BS to me..... I'm sure if he had the right solution he would have told us.
Please, if you get any lead on how to do it, let us know (I already tried registry hack and other whitout success
Cheer
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Drop me a message when you realize that I can't risk breaking a Non-disclosure agreement with Microsoft, without having some sanctions being put in place.
The stuff I used is under NDA which means I'm not allowed to share any of it. Take it or not, that's how it is. And obviously no registry hack will work, I already said multiple time there isn't a single registry tweak to do to get continuum really.
As @gus33000 stated,
He's not allowed to share publicly how he did it, so instead of getting angry at the fact that you can't use it personally, be happy knowing that it is possible while stopping the childish comments. Let's keep it clean in here.
Regards,
snickler.
Well, if it's really can not publish in here (public), why you give us some leak in twitter? only for tell to us that continuum will working too in some mid-low device? just for inform to us? only for an 'information' ? so, if not. please don't tell to us for before and some people will didn't make that think as a new hope to make continuum running in their device.
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Well, if it's really can not publish in here (public), why you give us some leak in twitter? only for tell to us that continuum will working too in some mid-low device? just for inform to us? only for an 'information' ? so, if not. please don't tell to us for before and some people will didn't make that think as a new hope to make continuum running in their device.
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Just because something is teased on twitter, doesn't automatically mean that it HAS to be shown as an implementation. The originator wasn't the one who created this thread. As I said before, there's no need to go up in arms over the fact that there's a video showing it, but nothing that everyone can use for the reasons that were specified.
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Drop me a message when you realize that I can't risk breaking a Non-disclosure agreement with Microsoft, without having some sanctions being put in place.
The stuff I used is under NDA which means I'm not allowed to share any of it. Take it or not, that's how it is. And obviously no registry hack will work, I already said multiple time there isn't a single registry tweak to do to get continuum really.
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Sorry dude, I didn't mean to be rude or something, it is just I'm working with Microsoft and never get something like a NDA........... Sound weird, even if you are from their dev team....
Anyway, anger was not direct to you but to MS, I bought a 640XL less than a year ago and discover I will have no USB host, no Continuum etc... so, please and again, Apologies from me.
Also, please understand it is weird braging around you did it... teasing people then say you cannot do anything about it, please understand it is frustrating...
Anyway, if at some point you want to release any kind of software/Apps using this workaround, please let me know, I can sponsor you if you need....
Cheers
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Sorry dude, I didn't mean to be rude or something, it is just I'm working with Microsoft and never get something like a NDA........... Sound weird, even if you are from their dev team....
Anyway, anger was not direct to you but to MS, I bought a 640XL less than a year ago and discover I will have no USB host, no Continuum etc... so, please and again, Apologies from me.
Also, please understand it is weird braging around you did it... teasing people then say you cannot do anything about it, please understand it is frustrating...
Anyway, if at some point you want to release any kind of software/Apps using this workaround, please let me know, I can sponsor you if you need....
Cheers
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Didn't meant to be rude at you, but after all peoples asking for it this is kind of tiring me.
I originally didn't meant to make that public at all, kind of regret tweeting about it too, but I wanted to post about it just to show that it's possible. Didn't thought that peoples would have wanted instructions on how to do it at all. I'll try to look if I can find a way to disclose that, but I doubt I'll get a green light on this. Also about the NDA, you should have gotten a NDA when you're hired (depending on the job), or the NDA can come as part of joining a Partner Specific Program too. And there's also a big reason on why Continuum isn't out for older devices. Miracast support on older hardware isn't great at all, even on newer hardware. The overall experience is much better if you can get wired video output, hence why you find continuum on only USB type C devices.
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. I'll try to look if I can find a way to disclose that, but I doubt I'll get a green light on this. .
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I looked at your projects and you seems to be a good and smart dev... I'm sure you'll figured something out
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And there's also a big reason on why Continuum isn't out for older devices. Miracast support on older hardware isn't great at all, even on newer hardware. The overall experience is much better if you can get wired video output, hence why you find continuum on only USB type C devices.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. Continuum on these older devices don't support remote input also, so you'll have to hope to god that you have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, or you have to do all of your typing and mouse scrolling from your phone.
Your valid bug reports are rejected because you haven't provided logcat which is exactly useless.
Your valid regression bug reports are rejected because you ... posted them too late and the last working build is too ... far off in the past.
Developers are keen not to assist you but to make you feel disgusted because after you provide as much information as possible, your input is completely rejected.
It's the first and last time in my life I've bought an Android device thinking LineageOS would be a nice alternative to the official ROM. No more.
I do understand this project is run by volunteers in their spare time, but I've participated in at least ten other non profit Open Source projects and I've never been treated this way.
Bug reports: 436, 509, 510 and 511.
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Your valid bug reports are rejected because you haven't provided logcat which is exactly useless.
Your valid regression bug reports are rejected because you ... posted them too late and the last working build is too ... far off in the past.
Developers are keen not to assist you but to make you feel disgusted because after you provide as much information as possible, your input is completely rejected.
It's the first and last time in my life I've bought an Android device thinking LineageOS would be a nice alternative to the official ROM. No more.
I do understand this project is run by volunteers in their spare time, but I've participated in at least ten other non profit Open Source projects and I've never been treated this way.
Bug reports: 436, 509, 510 and 511.
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same, dude, same, have just moved back to stock ROM, it's much better. A great weight off my mind.
All my proper bug reports with logcat have been deleted and I have been banned from the LOS IRC channel.
Never ever buy a phone thinking that LOS will be a viable alternative to your official ROM. It won't.
Not with such an extremely hostile development team.
I simply have no words.
The last batch of bug reports: 770, 771, 776, 790 and 795 - all valid, all rejected, all deleted.
Another proof, psychoi3oy.
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Another proof, psychoi3oy.
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Some of your rapports would have been accepted if placed under BUGBASH with the minimum logs attached. REGRESSION is only if you know the exact last known working build.
BUGBASH is only open during weekends though. Why you only are allowed to report on the weekends is a other question.... ?
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You haven't taken time to actually review my rejected bug reports and now you're blaming me what what I didn't, nice. The screenshot above just underlines how LOS devs work.
Sorry, bug reports 770, 771, 776, 790 and 795 were all filed under appropriate categories with logcat attached. Now that my user account has been deleted for the second time I have no desire to have anything common with this crazy *****es project ever again.
Clearly I looked in the wrong places somehow... I mistakenly took the screenshot as your rapports. Just did a quick glance at them. I commented on those rapports. Sorry for that. Rejecting REGRESSION rapports that should have been in BUGBASH is a common problem. Takes away time from the real issues.
X2 is your rapports? The numbers can exist both in BUGBASH and REGRESSION. BUGBASH-795 seems still open. The others lacked a log in the beginning.
I've seen bugs where users even found a walk-around and asked them to close the bug rapport. They refused as they didn't accept anything than a real solution... So closing and rejecting is not all they do.
However JIRA is not perfect. Sometimes a discussion in the devices own Lineage thread in the forum is better fitted and can get you closer to the device maintainer quicker. I normally write a rapport at JIRA but not without mentioning it in the Lineage thread of my device. Other users may replicate the bug and perhaps are able to add more important info about the problem at JIRA or in the thread.
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I know the feeling. I go to the reddit asking if they can make a build for LG K7. My post gets removed, but it's fair because requests aren't allowed on the main reddit.
Then I ask if they have a request subreddit where I can ask them to make the build. A team member literally said in response, "No. Go away. If you want something, build it. End of discussion."
How dare you. You're the developers, not me. You are the ones who made LineageOS, therefore building the ROMs is your responsibility and yours alone. I'll stick with my Stock ROM, thank you.
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I know the feeling. I go to the reddit asking if they can make a build for LG K7. My post gets removed, but it's fair because requests aren't allowed on the main reddit.
Then I ask if they have a request subreddit where I can ask them to make the build. A team member literally said in response, "No. Go away. If you want something, build it. End of discussion."
How dare you. You're the developers, not me. You are the ones who made LineageOS, therefore building the ROMs is your responsibility and yours alone. I'll stick with my Stock ROM, thank you.
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You can't just ask someone and say "Hey. Build me a ROM" and then have tantrums if they didn't do it. Building ROMs for other device is not their responsibility. They are not paid.
I wouldn't call that a tantrum so much as I would call it anger at how I was responded to that day. Either way, they're developers. If they don't build the ROMs, the only other people who could are the experts who have experience in building and compiling ROMs.
I was simply angry at how rude that member was to me. They could have simply responded with, "We do not take requests. Our ROM is open source for anyone to modify and create new ROMs with." Anything other than that rude response.
Anyway, I understand I was wrong, but my main issue is that other than the one person who's still working on FenomenalMOD, there's literally no custom ROM for the LG K7 after years of release, and I was hoping there was at least a LineageOs ROM for it, which of course, there wasn't. And even if they aren't paid for it, they still did their work in creating the official ROM, so what's stopping them from making a ROM for each model of phone outside of life issues and such?
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I wouldn't call that a tantrum so much as I would call it anger at how I was responded to that day. Either way, they're developers. If they don't build the ROMs, the only other people who could are the experts who have experience in building and compiling ROMs.
I was simply angry at how rude that member was to me. They could have simply responded with, "We do not take requests. Our ROM is open source for anyone to modify and create new ROMs with." Anything other than that rude response.
Anyway, I understand I was wrong, but my main issue is that other than the one person who's still working on FenomenalMOD, there's literally no custom ROM for the LG K7 after years of release, and I was hoping there was at least a LineageOs ROM for it, which of course, there wasn't. And even if they aren't paid for it, they still did their work in creating the official ROM, so what's stopping them from making a ROM for each model of phone outside of life issues and such?
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Guess what? They are developers of Lineage by choice and you can be too, so if you want Lineage for your phone, go build it yourself. If there was already a developer out there who wanted it for that phone, they would have already done it, but there isn't so why can't you step up to the plate and do it?
Anyone that gets mad about a rude or sarcastic response about doing something for them like that is a joke.
Excuse me?
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Guess what? They are developers of Lineage by choice and you can be too, so if you want Lineage for your phone, go build it yourself. If there was already a developer out there who wanted it for that phone, they would have already done it, but there isn't so why can't you step up to the plate and do it?
Anyone that gets mad about a rude or sarcastic response about doing something for them like that is a joke.
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So I'm a joke? For one thing, I don't have any expertise in building ROMs, so no, I can't do it. I was honestly curious. But to sit right up there and call me a joke for being angry at getting a rude response...What? Who wouldn't get upset if they were treated rudely? I expect courtesy from both them and you, since you obviously didn't see that I admitted I was wrong. I came to this forum because I felt I was wronged. I was wrong, and I more or less ended my case with the other responder. You, on the other hand, just had to go and say that I'm a joke for getting heated like that...
You know what? I'll just wait. Sooner or later, FenomenalMOD will be completed, and the person who posted about it said he's looking into making a LineageOS build, so as long as I wait it out, I, along with many other LG K7 users who have wanted Lineage for so long will get what we wanted. End of this discussion. Please enjoy your weekends.
I have brought AOSP to H932 successfully. Now it is time for H931 and H933. For this i need 1 tester for each device.
My requirements for testing Active member, must already have TWRP installed, use Telegram, speaks english and be somewhat tech savvy. I dont want to have to explain how to flash a rom properly.
DO NOT PM ME ASKING TO TEST.
Reply to this thread with your device model number and a brief reason why i should pick you in the following format:
MODEL: <Your model number>
Word: <The 27th + your post number word on this post>
Reason: <Why you want me to pick you>
This will help me gauge your level of following directions.
me2151 said:
DO NOT PM ME ASKING TO TEST.
Reply to this thread with your device model number and a brief reason why i should pick you in the following format:
Word: The 27th word of this post
This will help me gauge your level of following directions.
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Ha! But when one person counts the words and answers, won't others just copy that? For different results, not easily copied...
Word = the word in post #1 represented by 27 + their post number. Would be different for each reply.
You're still going to get PMs.
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Ha! But when one person counts the words and answers, won't others just copy that? For different results, not easily copied...
Word = the word in post #1 represented by 27 + their post number. Would be different for each reply.
You're still going to get PMs.
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I like you
Hey there...
I got a Canadian H933 and would be happy to serve as tester. I got lots of experience with flashing, fastboot, linux etc etc. I also have several other phones so I don't mind using something else as daily driver while testing aosp on the v30.. Let me know if i can be of help.
gs
gilnfld said:
Hey there...
I got a Canadian H933 and would be happy to serve as tester. I got lots of experience with flashing, fastboot, linux etc etc. I also have several other phones so I don't mind using something else as daily driver while testing aosp on the v30.. Let me know if i can be of help.
gs
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You didn't answer all the questions...
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You didn't answer all the questions...
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Which questions?.....oh that! I thought he was joking.
I am not doing of any that. I have been doing tech work on computers and cell phones since the late 90's and I am more than tech savvy enough to follow any tech procedures you need me to man. Also I am a university instructor -- i speak English and can follow directions, logic etc .
Cheers,
gs
Well, i think you just flunked that test:laugh:
Hi,
Awesome news! I'll give it a try.
MODEL: H931(currently running stock us998(20a))
Word: for(27th) Post :8
Reason: I am interested in learning and contributing. I started with the samsung infuse4g(cm7), note 3, moved to 1+1, then v20 & v30. I followed all the directions to getting all the devices mentioned above Bootloader unlocked, Installing recovery, rooting, and providing logs when necessary.
Thanks,
Julio(who-leo)
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Well, i think you just flunked that test:laugh:
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Yes, and did so happily
gilnfld said:
Which questions?.....oh that! I thought he was joking.
I am not doing of any that. I have been doing tech work on computers and cell phones since the late 90's and I am more than tech savvy enough to follow any tech procedures you need me to man. Also I am a university instructor -- i speak English and can follow directions, logic etc .
Cheers,
gs
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If you can follow my request i might reconsider but for now Not Accepted. My request is there for a reason to see if someone WILL actually follow my directions or if someone is going to go off and do their own thing.
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Which questions?.....oh that! I thought he was joking.
I am not doing of any that. I have been doing tech work on computers and cell phones since the late 90's and I am more than tech savvy enough to follow any tech procedures you need me to man. Also I am a university instructor -- i speak English and can follow directions, logic etc .
Cheers,
gs
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Right so, the point of the questions aren't to test your technical acumen, but to see if you're capable of following directions. You've contradicted your self and have proven you think the rules don't apply to you. To each his own but testing is a privilege and comes at the low low cost of just following the very first direction @me2151 gives you. :laugh:
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Right so, the point of the questions aren't to test your technical acumen, but to see if you're capable of following directions. You've contradicted your self and have proven you think the rules don't apply to you. To each his own but testing is a privilege and comes at the low low cost of just following the very first direction @me2151 gives you. :laugh:
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If you can follow my request i might reconsider but for now Not Accepted. My request is there for a reason to see if someone WILL actually follow my directions or if someone is going to go off and do their own thing.
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Hey gents,
I apologise if my approach to your original request/directions, @me2151, came across as flippant. I reread my post and can see how the tone of my wording could be seen as if it were flippant, mocking etc and again I apologise that was absolutely not my intention. My 10month old was being a handful and it was probably not the best of time for me to be posting. Either way, I understand what you are trying to do re; a quick test of ability to follow directions and I was not mocking it nor was I suggesting that the rules should not apply to me. ( @BrandonB1218). I just don't accept the rules IF one of the rules means i need to pass a test to display my ability to 'follow' directions. I am sorry I just don't want to do that and it is my prerogative and @ BrandonB1218 this expresses no contradicting of any sort; the past 20 years of my 'working' life have been entirely centered around both following and giving directions and I would be more than happy to prove my ability in concreto i.e; coding, flashing compiling whatever else is needed. But @me2151 this is your show man and you can run it as you see fit, and so I am humbly just going to retract my request to be a tester.
Again please accept my apologies, I didn't mean any disrespect. Thanks for working on AOSP -- I am a long-time fan and would love to see it running on our V30 models. I am on my motorola for a couple of days now just to check out some AOSP pie magic but will surely back to my V30 in no time as it's the most trustworthy device I have.
Oh hell yeah. You do this man and you'll have my utmost respect. I'm not willing to test, though I do meet the requirements. I'd like to keep my phone bug free, as I use it quite often, and rely on it being reliable. If we can get a stable AOSP, I'll be happy as a vegan in a field.
Godspeed.
I remember you @me2151 frok the v20 forums glad to see ya here. And no dont own a h931 justyt saying hi.
<model>h930</model>
<word>explain</word> (not counting numbers, pronouns, model numbers and abbreviations in, as they are not 'words' in this sense)
<reason>tech savy, can think logical (but unfortunately cannot code), already compiled your sources (volte nerd lol, testing sessions...), but the time difference between our countries (germany here) could be a problem, beside the fact i don't own the device you need (atm? ).
if this is at least partially what you can work with, maybe not now but on some other point of time, grab me, i'm here
good luck with these two devices! from what i've seen of your work, you will do it :good:
Model: h933 with boombox installed, rooted and ready
Word: Twenty seventh, sixteen
Reason: I am you perfect candidate, I have already soft bricked many times trying to get Lineage and DotOS working and have brought it back everytime.
@me2151 I think you found your tester. I know that @akeljo is someone that I would want to work with based on their response.
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@me2151 I think you found your tester. I know that @akeljo is someone that I would want to work with based on their response.
-- Brian
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Maybe but doesnt meet all my requirements.
I speak english. Can use telegram. TWRP installed. I've been a forum lurker since 2012 with my galaxy s2.
@me2151
h931
27th word plus 19th post is 46 and now im just filling in words so i can have one to pick at the 46th. Do question marks count as a word? grammar wan't fun to pay attention to ok i think i have enough words now - hows that for a run on sentence
i wanna do it because obviously i have become sick of playboy models coming and going over the years i think i'll try beta testing.
my word is [now] .... do u count I (eye) like[[ I ]]went to the mall as a word? EYYYYE did