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Hi all, I'm pretty lost here. My Note II (N7100) suddenly won't charge. Earlier today it charged just fine. I've only ever run stock with root on it. It's not the charger, it's not the cable. I've tried many of both, all of which worked before, none of which work now. I flashed back to stock recovery and did a factory reset, and the problem persists.
When I plug it into a charger while off, briefly a gray battery screen with what looks like a stationary 'wait spinner' will pop up and then the screen will turn back off again. I know the USB port is not totally FUBARed, because I can flash it with heimdall in Linux. It shows up in lsusb when in the bootloader, but not otherwise. The port is pretty much spotless, especially compared with that on my GNex, which still works fine.
I've tried leaving the battery out for an hour, holding the power button, etc. It almost seems like a problem that could be solved by discharging some capacitors, but battery pulls always solved those on my Galaxy Nexus.
Any thoughts on other things I can try?
I can't even figure out how to contact Samsung support in case this is somehow a warranty/hardware issue. At least on their US site the N7100 isn't even an option in the pulldowns they want me to go through.
After some calls to Samsung USA and Canada, I gave up. Apparently the phone is from the UAE, for which Samsung USA has no phone number, and their repair centers won't touch it if it's international. This is really stupid and I plan to write to Samsung about it. It had only been three weeks since I ordered it, so I am returning it to the Amazon seller for a refund. I'll let them deal with their supplier in UAE I guess. I hate to do that, but it seems to be a hardware problem and I have no other recourse at this point.
I cant really help here but i wanted to let you know i had the same problem with a white note 2 from Carphone Warehouse in the UK, just stopped charging after owning the phone for 2 days (i had also only rooted and running stock rom).
Carphone warehouse replaced the handset for me and havent had a problem with the new one so far but its made me take extra care when plugging or unplugging the usb cable ( i use Airdroid for file transfers now). I guess there must be a defect with a limited few usb ports on the note 2.
I thought it might be a 3rd party usb cable to blame (i use a blackberry usb cable at work but ive stopped that now and only use the official Samsung cable).
Sorry i cant help just wanted to share my experiences, hope you get it sorted, good luck!
Thanks for chiming in Steve, good to know I'm not the only one. I saw another post on here like that too, maybe it was yours? There was no discussion. The strange thing is ODIN worked just fine. Maybe a loose connection only on one/both of the power pins?
Nah it wasn't me mate, I had just put it down to me being heavy handed and thought nothing more of it till I saw your post.
I've seen a post in the Jellybam thread today about the charging being down to software but I don't know how true this is as i've yet to check the facts.
Did you manage to get it replaced? I remember it was the worst feeling in the world when the realization hit that my phone wouldn't charge.
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Did you manage to get it replaced? I remember it was the worst feeling in the world when the realization hit that my phone wouldn't charge.
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Yeah I just invoked the Amazon.com return policy, sent it back for a refund, and ordered another one. It was supposed to arrive today, but apparently UPS had some kind of mechanical issue and now it's delayed until tomorrow. I just need it to get here before my next month's Verizon plan bills so I can cancel before paying another month.
Sorry to drag up an old thread but this has just happened to me, EXACTLY the same as OP.
I've reset it, wiped everything, re-flashed latest stock firmware. Tried 3 different cables and two different chargers.
Pretty sure the battery is good because if I take it out of the phone and charge it on the dock, it works fine. If I then put the battery back into the phone, the phones works in every way except it wont charge
I have most of my digital life on this thing, I am so screwed without it. Look like its a warranty repair job then? Ive had the phone about 3 months from Phones 4U :crying:
Looks like hardware issue..
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Looks like hardware issue..
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Happened to mine to T-mobile version. Never dropped it, never got it wet, only 1.5 months old.
WTF? Seriously?
Behavior:
Charges sometimes.
Charge sometimes stops at 70% or less.
Screen sensitivity screws up sometimes.
Data constantly being transmitted whether WiFi or cell network.
Never dropped.
Never wet.
Never harshly impacted.
Never rooted.
Tried factory reset.
Tried pulling battery.
Tried different chargers and cables.
Wondering if the trident aegis case put too much pressure on the charger cable by pushing it sideways with the flap.
Any ideas?
Hardware problem.
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After some calls to Samsung USA and Canada, I gave up. Apparently the phone is from the UAE, for which Samsung USA has no phone number, and their repair centers won't touch it if it's international. This is really stupid and I plan to write to Samsung about it. It had only been three weeks since I ordered it, so I am returning it to the Amazon seller for a refund. I'll let them deal with their supplier in UAE I guess. I hate to do that, but it seems to be a hardware problem and I have no other recourse at this point.
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Check in the box, and if you have an EROS Group sticker on it that means it's covered under warranty here in Dubai, UAE as they are the main distributor here for Samsung products.
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This happened to me yesterday after spilling tea on it. I took the device apart as per this video, checked the connectors and reassembled it. Voila, the charger is working again. Obviously I take no responsibility etc etc.
My Samsung Galaxy Note 2 wont charge
I have also had this problem where my galaxy note 2 wont charge. I have tried all the chargers i have used successfully in the past and none of them will charge it now. I had the problem some weeks ago and now it has happened again. I only purchased the phone in January 2013. It is very frustrating. I have never dropped my phone or damaged it in any way what so ever. I have no idea what the problem could be but i will be taking it back to Telstra as i need it sorted out.
Same problem here - is this a generic problem with the Note 2??
I always put my phone on charge overnight , woke up yesterday and it hadn't charged. Swapped batteries - no problem - then put original battery back in, hey presto, charging!
But since then both batteries have run out and I couldn't get either to take any charge. Got it plugged in now and just like other people I've got a static charging ring showing, And no power.
Bought an external charger to try and get round this, but has anyone come up with a proper solution??
-StuPC
Strange...
a mate of mine just mentioned to me today that his note was charging strangely recently, apparantly he took an air gun (on low setting) to the charging port to blast out any miniscule dust n stuff and that fixed it!
Seems they're very sensitive and the smallest thing can make it act strange
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a mate of mine just mentioned to me today that his note was charging strangely recently, apparantly he took an air gun (on low setting) to the charging port to blast out any miniscule dust n stuff and that fixed it!
Seems they're very sensitive and the smallest thing can make it act strange
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Thanks for the tip, Pavpev - I gave it a try but still nothing. Perhaps my phone is super-sensitive!
It happne to my note 2 as well
I had to give it for repair to service center now i just want to know what triggered it and how to prevent it..................
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a mate of mine just mentioned to me today that his note was charging strangely recently, apparantly he took an air gun (on low setting) to the charging port to blast out any miniscule dust n stuff and that fixed it!
Seems they're very sensitive and the smallest thing can make it act strange
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Can confirm this is the case! Tried everything, but the blowing air into the USB socket worked :good:
I have a 2 month old note 8, not rooted, stock apps etc.
A week ago I noticed the tab was not charged even when I left it plugged. Eliminated apps I installed that day. Checked different chargers and cables (I used original note 8 and note 2 chargers, with various cables). No effect. Decided to factory reset. After the reset, n8 charged again. Then not again.
Over the last week, the device would charge sometimes, sometimes not.
When I plug it in, it doesn't charge immediately sometimes - sometimes I've to leave it plugged for a few minutes before the charging is recognized. Sometimes it charges immediately.
The micro usb port recognizes otb. Can read/write too.
Anyone with a similar observation?
Have you tried a different charger? Different cable? If yes, and you still have the problem, your port is probably bad.
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Edit: Didn't read your post thoroughly, sorry!
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No worries.
It happened again last night. Very strange. Might bring the tab to service.
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Brought the N8 to the service center. Hardware problem - the connector/USB pin needs to be replaced. They said if they can't find me the replacement within a few days, they would recommend replacing the whole unit. Either way is good.
The brown looks tasty. I wonder...
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Brought the N8 to the service center. Hardware problem - the connector/USB pin needs to be replaced. They said if they can't find me the replacement within a few days, they would recommend replacing the whole unit. Either way is good.
The brown looks tasty. I wonder...
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my girlfriend had the same issue with her Note phone. having booked a time in with the samsung store service team, they then replaced the usb port for free and the phone was ready in just over an hour.
I was very impressed with the service.
Before leaving it in for service, you could simply try the following (have successfully used it on several different devices thus far)
1. Power down the device
2. Use a unused and DRY toothbrush to give the USB-port a thorough brush to remove possible dirt and built up oxides.
3. Connect the charger while the device is still powered off and check whether the battery-charging-icon shows up on the screen within a couple of seconds.
Samsung replaced the unit. Good for me.
Not a painless experience though as the people in the main Samsung office and the service center do not communicate with each other very well. Had to inject myself into the email conversations between them to simplify and clarify what they needed to do to help me, the customer.
@cybriks - the service center actually took out the part in question and tested it - it was indeed defective. Thanks for the tip - I use the same for cleaning all other USB ports of my other devices.
I had a samsung galaxy nexus for sometime. I was having a charging issue and followed a solution to lift the tongue of the charging port. Unfortunately, I did it too hard and broke the tongue. Being in India Samsung repair centers refuse to fix the thing. Left it idle for three or four months. I found a market in delhi where a guy replaced the port(PS - He was a professional). But unfortunately it still does not work. The port is fixed but the phone is still not getting charged. The glass on the top was broken but the screen was working fine. Today I tried plugging it to my computer and computer made a weird alert noise and an alert of uplugging a device. I am so much in love with this phone. Can anyone help me with this problem? Any solution will help. I you guys cannot help me then maybe no on can.
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I had a samsung galaxy nexus for sometime. I was having a charging issue and followed a solution to lift the tongue of the charging port. Unfortunately, I did it too hard and broke the tongue. Being in India Samsung repair centers refuse to fix the thing. Left it idle for three or four months. I found a market in delhi where a guy replaced the port(PS - He was a professional). But unfortunately it still does not work. The port is fixed but the phone is still not getting charged. The glass on the top was broken but the screen was working fine. Today I tried plugging it to my computer and computer made a weird alert noise and an alert of uplugging a device. I am so much in love with this phone. Can anyone help me with this problem? Any solution will help. I you guys cannot help me then maybe no on can.
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Hmm. Sounds like maybe you should try taking it to a more upmarket shop. I had this problem (though I didn't actually snap the tongue), and I took it to a repair shop and they fixed it. Maybe the problem isn't just the tongue, but something else.
Also, it sounds simple, but have you tried a different charger?
Maybe you need something like that:
"Samsung Galaxy Nexus i9250 USB Charger Charge Charging Dock Port Connector Flex"
I can't post links so you have to search by yourself.
I changed it today because my GNex always showed "charging" although it wasn't plugged in.
Why don't you try to use a different charger?
A while back i used to "try" to root stuff. I sucked at it BAD. Anyway, I have a Galaxy Note 8.0 (GT-N5110) that I had rooted to a certain point (very superficial) and I just kept it the way it was, that way I could use Multi-window for any app. This morning I unplug my tab from the charger only to be disappointed that it will not turn on. Ive tried different power outlets, different cables, different base chargers, even the whole "power+vol_up+home" thing... nothing. I never updated the tab when Kitkat came through the pipeline. Im freaking out that a new major update automatically happened overnight or something. Im sorry to trouble you all, but does anyone have suggestions? Since it's rooted I can't take it to Samsung or Best Buy. Honestly if I could just get it back to stock, that would be awesome, but im more concerned about getting it to simply turn on. Any Ideas?
If your device is rooted you won't get an OTA update so that could not be the problem. You can try to unplug battery (mus open the device)"and see what happened. Maybe your battery is faulty or someting else.
K... I appreciate it Ill take a look. But, lets say I actually open it (without making things worse), how do I determine if the battery is in fact faulty? If it is, can I get a replacement? preferably an official samsung one.
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Scratch that. Sry, Im just always scared of doin stuff, so I always feel like I have to ask the question, but I'll look it up. Im confident at least this should be easy enough for me to do Thank you again.
The problem with this device is you cannot pull out the battery easily. Maybe after that steps it boots up again.
Battery removal wasn't bad... now I'm just waiting for a new one (ordered on ebay, crossing fingers hoping it was legit). What did you mean "after that steps it boots up agin."? Will the tablet boot up without the battery if it's plugged in or something?
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Battery removal wasn't bad... now I'm just waiting for a new one (ordered on ebay, crossing fingers hoping it was legit). What did you mean "after that steps it boots up agin."? Will the tablet boot up without the battery if it's plugged in or something?
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Wow, that suck. sorry for you man. For now, try to plug the tablet to a computer and while device manager opened and see if there is change. If the change say "qhsusb" or something along that line and not your model number . . . changing battery wont do anything because it's already hard bricked. if not, finger cross.
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What did you mean "after that steps it boots up agin."? Will the tablet boot up without the battery if it's plugged in or something?
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No. But sometimes after this step and reconnecting the battery the device boots up. Also a battery calibration is done.
I tried plugging in the tablet to the computer with the old battery and then without any battery. Neither one prompted anything in the device manager. Today I got the new battery (assuming its legit and in good condition) in the mail. I plugged it in, and nothing. Plugged the tablet with the new battery to the wall charger, nothing. Plugged the tablet with the new battery to the computer while running device manager, nothing.
I'm going assume that the new battery is dead and let it stay connected to the wall charger for 8+ hrs, and see if there are any changes.
I just really don't understand what the deal is and why this would randomly happen. Ive never had problems with the firmware or anything. I have felt like there was an issue with the battery being that it doesn't seem to be keeping much of a charge... but for it to just Hard Brick like this seems so out of the blue. Can anyone provide me with additional suggestions please?
Maybe I'll ask it this way...
Is there any way to test if the batteries are food? That way I can at least determine if the tablet is in fact hard bricked or just bad batteries.
Might not be what you want to hear, but if different cables, chargers and batteries don't work, then maybe there was a power surge overnight while the device was plugged into the wall that took out the device (I once lost a computer that way and now I only use surge suppressors (note that not all power bars are proper surge protectors! See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surge_protector ) that are UL 1449 certified with a low clamping voltage and high energy absorption rating as a minimum; the fancier ones can even tell you if your wall outlet has a grounding problem). Or your tablet's USB port is broken, but that doesn't make sense based on what you've said thus far. Or you're just super-unlucky and all of your replacement parts are also faulty (it could happen). Either way, I've got my fingers crossed for you!
In the meantime, a multimeter would be able to tell if the batteries hold a charge, and whether or not power flows to the device when the battery is attached or the device is plugged into the wall or computer.
Just make sure you read up on how to use one first so you don't accidentally electrocute yourself:
https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/how-to-use-a-multimeter
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In the meantime, a multimeter would be able to tell if the batteries hold a charge, and whether or not power flows to the device when the battery is attached or the device is plugged into the wall or computer.
Just make sure you read up on how to use one first so you don't accidentally electrocute yourself:
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Ill definitely be looking into this option in depth tomorrow, and deeply appreciate it. At least it's something. T_T I don't want my tablet going to electro grave. This sucks so bad. This has been a month from hell
First my printer decides its time to start printing crooked over a couple of months, getting so bad that it jams up a few weeks ago, requiring me to get a new printer, which has been a fiasco in and of itself that still hasnt been resolved. Ive gone through 4 printers in one week, all of them different model printers, all from HP, and each and every one of them defective.
Then my laptops video card tweaks out because of installing Splashtop Stream, which starts a domino effect requiring me to do a factory reset on the laptop.
Then my Tablet just decides to kill over.
Then my Microsoft Arc mouse decides it doesn't the want to wheel to work requiring me to purchase a new one, and when I receive it, the cover for the battery compartment is missing and the wheel click is defective. It took 2 and a half weeks to resolve
Then I get bronchitis.
all in less than a month.
Alright, ya... it's dead. Oh well. Here's me trying to make the most of it: are there any places that buy bricked tabs? I figure the parts have to have some sort of salvage value.... maybe.
You can't go to a Samsung service shop? They might not fix it under warranty, but I assume they'll have a look at it and give you an estimation? I feel for you, we all have had these awful weeks... I soft bricked my pad, my computer started to play up, my other computer decided it wanted to die after years of hard work and not skipping a beat, my son got the flu, the missus was on her monthly(grumpy wife..take cover), and when I took a break from it all on the toilet I found that we had run out of paper! To make matters worse, my favorite football team lost from a second division team.. This all happened in one single day! So chin up, it might take a week, but when all it's fixed again you'll experience deep appreciation for the things you have taken for granted.... (xda fixed my tablet, time fixed my wife)
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Sry for delayed response.
Im very very doubtful that Samsung will help. I have two more... ideas, before I go to Samsung. Non-invasive of coarse, wouldn't want to make matters worse.
K, So first off I took the tablet with extra battery to a tech place in the area that said the batteries are fine, but when they put a multimeter to the motherboard nothing came back. Basically its dead according to them. There's one more shop in the area I want to get a second opinion from. Next, does anyone know anything about an app called "Splashtop Stream"? I'm a fond user of Splashtop to control/view my computer straight my tablet, but when I installed "Splashtop Stream" to use the tablet as an extended screen (not just a cloned second screen), my tablet and both computers I tried it with did NOT like it. I immediately uninstalled it, but it dawned on me that it was just a matter of days later that my Tablet died. I hate to grasp at straws, but if an app like that is too resource intensive, I'm okay with seeing a connection that it fried my tablet. I can't just ask Splashtop "Hey, does your app fry motherboards", so I need a way of researching legitimate known problems. I can't afford a $400 tablet right now.
The reason why I'm using Samsung as a last resort is because it's outside my warranty time, and the moment they know that I did even the simple fast-mod on it, they'll slap it down and won't help. There no custom boot or Roms on it.
With all this said, any suggestions anyone?
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You can't go to a Samsung service shop? They might not fix it under warranty, but I assume they'll have a look at it and give you an estimation? I feel for you, we all have had these awful weeks... I soft bricked my pad, my computer started to play up, my other computer decided it wanted to die after years of hard work and not skipping a beat, my son got the flu, the missus was on her monthly(grumpy wife..take cover), and when I took a break from it all on the toilet I found that we had run out of paper! To make matters worse, my favorite football team lost from a second division team.. This all happened in one single day! So chin up, it might take a week, but when all it's fixed again you'll experience deep appreciation for the things you have taken for granted.... (xda fixed my tablet, time fixed my wife)
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O_O That does suck!! Sry man.
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Sry for delayed response.
Im very very doubtful that Samsung will help. I have two more... ideas, before I go to Samsung. Non-invasive of coarse, wouldn't want to make matters worse.
K, So first off I took the tablet with extra battery to a tech place in the area that said the batteries are fine, but when they put a multimeter to the motherboard nothing came back. Basically its dead according to them. There's one more shop in the area I want to get a second opinion from. Next, does anyone know anything about an app called "Splashtop Stream"? I'm a fond user of Splashtop to control/view my computer straight my tablet, but when I installed "Splashtop Stream" to use the tablet as an extended screen (not just a cloned second screen), my tablet and both computers I tried it with did NOT like it. I immediately uninstalled it, but it dawned on me that it was just a matter of days later that my Tablet died. I hate to grasp at straws, but if an app like that is too resource intensive, I'm okay with seeing a connection that it fried my tablet. I can't just ask Splashtop "Hey, does your app fry motherboards", so I need a way of researching legitimate known problems. I can't afford a $400 tablet right now.
The reason why I'm using Samsung as a last resort is because it's outside my warranty time, and the moment they know that I did even the simple fast-mod on it, they'll slap it down and won't help. There no custom boot or Roms on it.
With all this said, any suggestions anyone?
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I randomly bumped here and I'm no expert, but if your tablet's motherboard is indeed dead, I believe there is absolutely no way they can tell that the device got rooted at some point. You did not "hard brick" it, that's a whole other thing, or at least so I've learned in my not-very-long experience. "Hard brick" should be the result of flashing a kernel made some other device, which definitely is not your case. Moreover, that does not kill the motherboard, it just makes anything unbootable: it's a software problem, so it can actually be detected. You had a hardware failure that most likely completely wiped any proof that you have ever modified your device, so the only problem that you might have, I think, is them telling you that they take no responsibility for what your power outlet has done to the device, but they shouldn't be able to detect any modification that you have made. In my opinion technical support is worth trying.
Awesome!! Thank you so much!
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Awesome!! Thank you so much!
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You're welcome, good luck!
Just thought Id let everyone know that I managed to get Samsung to compromise on the matter since the Tablet is only 5 months past warranty (1yr 5mnths since purchase). So, not much longer and hopefully Ill have a tablet that works yet again.
After I updated my Galaxy Tab S4 to Android 10 with One UI 2, the screen became like the picture attached. Now half of the screen is occupied by black and white stripes.
I contacted Samsung and tried all the possible troubleshooting solutions but in vain, the problem still existed.
I also started a thread on Samsung community about this issue, and I got a lot of replies about the same screen problem that happened with many people.
https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5...en-issue-after-android-10-update/td-p/1837825
Still no response from Samsung about that.
Please can you help me with this issue?
I got 100% same problem
I try downgrade and same
But mine its from damage during shipping, the glass covering the amoled is cracked but I hope the screen its not affected.
Now I'm waiting the HDMI to usb type c cable to arrive to see if its screen or motherboard problem
If I lock/unlock(power button) fast and many times the lines dissapear and works normall a while
Do you fix it or you find what is wrong?
Today the HDMI to usb type c cabe arrived from china
I connect the tablet to TV and seems that lines are only on amoled, unfortunately the screen seem to be faulty
Hi at all the community, and Merry Christmas, oh oh oh
I made this post because i want to clear the situation about this very diffused issue that occur on samsung tab s4. I'm going to buy a tablet in the same screen condition in the attached picture, but before i want to know if the problem is related to the screen only or it's an hardware issue that affect the motherboard.
Please if anyone has fix this, please share a solution because in internet there are tons of user that ask for that and i haven't found if it's a screen or motherboard problem.
Thanks and wish you a merry christmas to all the community
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After I updated my Galaxy Tab S4 to Android 10 with One UI 2, the screen became like the picture attached. Now half of the screen is occupied by black and white stripes.
I contacted Samsung and tried all the possible troubleshooting solutions but in vain, the problem still existed.
I also started a thread on Samsung community about this issue, and I got a lot of replies about the same screen problem that happened with many people.
https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5...en-issue-after-android-10-update/td-p/1837825
Still no response from Samsung about that.
Please can you help me with this issue?
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unfortunately this is not screen issue, this is RAM or CPU issue, i did a Reballing and RAM replacement on Customer's TAB S4 and the issue was solved.
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Thanks biohazard for your reply, i'm going to examinate the motherboard I really trust in yor words and is what i believe..
Anyway someone else can confirm after changing the screen this kinda of issue persist?
I want to clear the situation share your experience!
I can confirm what biohazard16 said, it's not oled screen problem or display coonection problem but hardware problem on the motherboard. I've tried to connect my tablet using MHL cable to a TV and the picture on the TV is perfect without any glitch, clear of any half screen issue. I've tried to install another original screen 100% working and i've still had the same half screen issue, it's not a screen problem.
I search a lot in internet for complete schematics or boardview for this Tab S4 but i've only found a service manual that doesn't help. If anyone have boardview or any other Oled pinout please post.
I think that Samsung after made a good tablet, wich a large amount of these have the same screen issue, must be release the complete schematics because people with good skills can repair a Project/Assembly mistake made by Samsung, but till now from Samsung 0 news.
At this point i want go through the problem and i've attached a picture of what IC need to be reball/resolder.
biohazrd16 or anyone can confirm i'am right?
I start thinking that reapir this kind of issue is like the 3rd secret of Fatima ;-)