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Are you willing to lose the guarantee, by official HTC metod, in order to have S-off or root rights?
Doesn't HTC method just make you loose software warranty ?
I mean, I think hardware problems are still covered after that.
see that on htcdev website :
It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty.
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I need confirmation on that though as I'm not sure
i think physical defects or damages due to unlocking the bootloader, then overclocking and frying the cpu or motherboard will not be covered..
however... if the screen malfunctions, it would be reasonable to uphold the warranty unless there are reasons to believe it is again due to end-users unlocking the bootloader. (ie, maybe the guy unlock the bootloader, overclocked the phone and the heat caused some circuit to melt due to excess heat and this caused the screen to stop working?)
many scenarios, just giving some examples of what i think would mean non-coverage by warranty..
Physical damage can be attributed to unlocked bootloader. Example, heating has destroyed your lcd pannel. Warrenty uncovered. In our case this is not the truth but, to get back your phone what can u do if not pay?!?
Maybe htc is too much honest or maybe not... anyway they have a strong weapon to not recognize it.
from http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/faq
Why is my security still on (S-On) after I have unlocked my bootloader?
Your device is shipped with Security on (S-ON) to protect your system software configuration (such as the bootloader, radio, boot, recovery, system and others). After you have unlocked the bootloader, however, you will have lifted the restrictions on boot, recovery and system. This means you can customize boot, recovery and system images on your phone as you desire. You can easily see that you have successfully unlocked the bootloader by looking at the top of the screen when entering the bootloader screen. Security is left on to protect things like the radio, and SIM lock.
so, device still be s-on? no way to change radio and hboot? O_O
I will do it with an unofficial tool.
Hopefully the revolutionary tool will be there soon!
I don't want to wait..
torxx said:
I will do it with an unofficial tool.
Hopefully the revolutionary tool will be there soon!
I don't want to wait..
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What's the benefit to doing it this way please?
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If you want to send your phone to HTC, you can bring it back to stock before.
But if you did it with htcdev, HTC can see that you unlocked your Bootloader, so it will be difficult to get your phone repaired.- HTC just won't do anything but they will never know if you used an unoffical tool.
torxx said:
If you want to send your phone to HTC, you can bring it back to stock before.
But if you did it with htcdev, HTC can see that you unlocked your Bootloader, so it will be difficult to get your phone repaired.- HTC just won't do anything but they will never know if you used an unoffical tool.
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Sound good to me, I always like the option to go back to stock for these purposes so I'll wait too
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You can go back to stock after using htcdev, too.
But your Bootloader will be signed of htc, so they know that you did it.
Yea you're right!Hope S-off will come then I don't need to unlock in HTC bootloader~
Has anyone asked the Revolutionary team if the exploit they used before works with the HTC One series and if they will support the device? I assume they will because they tend to follow flagship phones but you never know. Here's hoping we won't have to wait too long.
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I'm sure that they are working on it..
As far as I heard you still have warranty even though you unlocked your bootloader.
Yes of course but if for example your processor is damaged, you will surely not have any warranty on this.
Us vivid users went through heaven and hell to try and unlock the bootloader/achieve s off. Only after some strategic calls to HTC did we even get the official bootloader unlock, we never achieved it.unofficially either. We still don't even have s off so no radio flashing and a more round about way for flashing kernels and recoveries. I really hope the One X will have an unlock bootloader option. HTC wasn't even planning on giving the option until six months after the release. It didn't matter though, our development and most the community was already killed off by the time we got bootloader unlock. Hopefully HTC learned a lesson or the people working on unofficial s off/bootloader unlock have some tricks up their sleeve...
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I was just chatting with HTC and mentioned I had mine bootloader unlocked. He said it voided my warranty as that was stated on HTCDev, but I said HTCDev only says its void certain parts off the warranty.
But in e-mail I got from HTC they state, you do not get warranty when you are running an custom rom, so I guess we need put it back to stock and lock the bootloader.
Then there should be no problem with warranty.
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I was just chatting with HTC and mentioned I had mine bootloader unlocked. He said it voided my warranty as that was stated on HTCDev, but I said HTCDev only says its void certain parts off the warranty.
But in e-mail I got from HTC they state, you do not get warranty when you are running an custom rom, so I guess we need put it back to stock and lock the bootloader.
Then there should be no problem with warranty.
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Yes, there still is a problem. Never again will your hboot read "locked", it will only show up as "relocked", so you still aren't quite out of the water.
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Yes that's true, but I believe you can just use your warranty. The guys in chat who say you voided it don't know what they talking about.
If you really send it in for warranty then they should just fix it. But best we can do is relock it.
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Yes that's true, but I believe you can just use your warranty. The guys in chat who say you voided it don't know what they talking about.
If you really send it in for warranty then they should just fix it. But best we can do is relock it.
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Actually, a stock-looking rooted ROM will do the trick. I've heard enumerable amounts of people saying the people at HTC didn't even look to see if the device was rooted or bootloader unlocked. I really don't think they are that picky.
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Actually, a stock-looking rooted ROM will do the trick. I've heard enumerable amounts of people saying the people at HTC didn't even look to see if the device was rooted or bootloader unlocked. I really don't think they are that picky.
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I think so to. But atleast I would load the original non rooted stock rom on it. I only get the bootloader from Evo 3D to get show relocked and under it still says s-off, but I guess that's from revolutionary and I don't know how to get rid off that, but I will just leave it like this.
I have heard enough stories that peoples HTC got fixed with an unlocked bootloader and some even with an custom rom. And how big is the chance someone really ever going need use the warranty?
I think its quite small. But I'm not going unlock the HTC One X i think as it should be fast enough even without an custom rom.
I don't want HTC to know it and we should have an unlock method that is fully reversible, at HTC Desire HD we had that, with on click you had it back s-on.
Hi,
Is there anyway to root the HTC ONE X UK as I have tried alot of guides and all have failed. Tried numerous guides.
Is it even possible or does it only work for US models at the moment.
Anyway without unlocking bootloader via HTCDEv
You must unlock the bootloader on this device, there are no other rooting methods. Sorry. If you're worried about warranty issues, if you had a hardware issue you could pull all your data off the device and then brick the phone so it no longer can turn on to bootloader. Might let you get away with it, might not.
Hunt3r.j2 said:
You must unlock the bootloader on this device, there are no other rooting methods. Sorry. If you're worried about warranty issues, if you had a hardware issue you could pull all your data off the device and then brick the phone so it no longer can turn on to bootloader. Might let you get away with it, might not.
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Lol that is extreme bricking own device for warranty but I guess it makes sense. HTC would have to re install the booloader.
Still going to wait for Root and S-OFF. Hopefully someone can give us ROOT sooner than S-OFF
If HTC made it clear S-ON HTCDev wouldn't invalidate hardware warranty I think everybody would be doing it.
mulkman said:
Lol that is extreme bricking own device for warranty but I guess it makes sense. HTC would have to re install the booloader.
Still going to wait for Root and S-OFF. Hopefully someone can give us ROOT sooner than S-OFF
If HTC made it clear S-ON HTCDev wouldn't invalidate hardware warranty I think everybody would be doing it.
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Well, I figure that HTC has their own software for fixing devices that are unable to get to hboot quite easily, and I refuse to pay for clear hardware defects, so I would rather hard brick my device and let HTC deal with it.
If they wanted to save time and money, they wouldn't make it so that unlocked bootloader invalidate warranty, and people would be much less likely to purposely brick a phone.
I followed this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592355 and its was very easy and fast, had phone rooted and new rom installed in less than 20mins.
mulkman said:
Lol that is extreme bricking own device for warranty but I guess it makes sense. HTC would have to re install the booloader.
Still going to wait for Root and S-OFF. Hopefully someone can give us ROOT sooner than S-OFF
If HTC made it clear S-ON HTCDev wouldn't invalidate hardware warranty I think everybody would be doing it.
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You will have to wait for S-Off to achieve root without unlocking. There wont be any other way. Right now S-Off development is at a stand still (official S-Off dev thread is locked after the OP admitted they reached a dead end). I kind of sensed that S-Off was not going anywhere few weeks back, so took the risk and unlocked the phone.
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Well, I figure that HTC has their own software for fixing devices that are unable to get to hboot quite easily, and I refuse to pay for clear hardware defects, so I would rather hard brick my device and let HTC deal with it.
If they wanted to save time and money, they wouldn't make it so that unlocked bootloader invalidate warranty, and people would be much less likely to purposely brick a phone.
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The general consensus is that if you unlock through HTC Dev they will keep a record. So if you send a bricked device back to them they have all the more reasons to reject your claim, because HTC dev unlocking disclaimer clearly state that if the device becomes unusable as a result of unlocking they will not fix it. Bricking is a direct result of unlocking. However, whether they can prove it or not is a different matter though. Anyhow I wouldn't call hard bricking a real workaround.
You do realise how difficult it is to actually 'permabrick' and phone right? You'd have to do something REALLY stupid, like flashing something and your battery kaplunking. Or flashing something not ported to your phone or some crazy poo like that.
HTCdev say it may void parts or all of your warranty, all any of us know this could be to deter you but I haven't read one case where HTC declined a bootloader relocked device...
It's a risk worth taking in my eyes.
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You do realise how difficult it is to actually 'permabrick' and phone right? You'd have to do something REALLY stupid, like flashing something and your battery kaplunking. Or flashing something not ported to your phone or some crazy poo like that.
HTCdev say it may void parts or all of your warranty, all any of us know this could be to deter you but I haven't read one case where HTC declined a bootloader relocked device...
It's a risk worth taking in my eyes.
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If HTC takes relocked bootloaders, it's fine. But I've heard a good number of horror stories where they don't.
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If HTC takes relocked bootloaders, it's fine. But I've heard a good number of horror stories where they don't.
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I strive never to be in that situation to find out
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smidgeox said:
I strive never to be in that situation to find out
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I think no one does, but the higher number of defects in this generation makes it a bit more likely than before...
There is only 1 way I can conceive to hard brick
Flashing wrong model of android will soft brick but still recoverable
Powering off phone during a ruu whilst its at the point of flashing hboot is the only way I can think of hardbricking
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Hello,
i want to try this root / unlock all in one tool, but it say: Caution- This unlock bootloader and rooting tutorial hardly not permitted for network locked devices, so don’t ever try this update on your network locked devices.
http://androidflip.com/htc-wildfire...stall-drivers-root-lockunlock-bootloader-app/
my htc wildfire S has a t-mobile logo at boot, but other branding except the navigion select install isnt there. how can i identify if its network locked?
my goal is to install a fast custom rom. maybe i am on the wrong way with the all in one installer and there are other possibilitys.
Thanks for answers.
I don't see why not. Mine is network-locked and I've flashed over fifty ROMs on it
It does void your warranty if you unlock the bootloader and get S-OFF, but you can get it S-ON again and relock the bootloader, so that shouldn't be an issue (though there isn't really a way to S-OFF the WFS without XTC-Clip, meaning you can't do that at home anyways).
oke! thx.
but what means s-off / s-on? i cant find it in glossary.
To you, nothing
I don't think we'll ever get it anyway, so it's basically nothing important. It used to be a dream that we could get our warranties back, flash a new radio or h-boot, network-unlock our phones and resize our system partitions, but now it appears all progress towards that dream has halted.
Hi All
My name is Phil and I'm new to HTC phones so I apologise in advance.
I wonder if anyone out there can help me, I'm trying to just unbrand my unlocked Vodafone UK HTC One M8 which is currently on KK 4.4.4. What I would like to achieve is an unbranded phone as if I had purchased it unlocked from HTC with the warranty in tact that will accept OTA's so I'll get lollipop.
I understand I will most probably have to unlock the bootloader, root, S-off etc but what I'm a little unsure about is, can I get an official stock rom complete with sense 6 installed on the phone and then lock it all back up for warranty (ie in fastboot it states locked, original software, s-on etc etc)
I have read many threads and watched youtube videos that seem to show that it can be done but I would like to check with you guys before I start.
If this is possible, which method would you recommend as there seems to a few different methods.
Also is Sunshine the only s-off method now?
Again I'm sorry but I've come from a Sony xperia phone which unbranding was really easy to achieve without rooting
Thank you in advance
Phil
I take it you took advantage of the recent deal too. Anyone would be crazy not too at that price.
At the moment it seems that the Vodafone m8s can't be s-off'd so we have to wait for root ninja to release sunshine v3 which will work. It doest seem to far off.
Once you have s-off you can change your CID and flash the generic firmware and Rom. We just have to play the waiting game now.
I think sunshine does reset the flags for you, but I'm not sure on that. Oh and don't s-on again unless you absolutely have to send the phone in for service.
Thanks isx for your reply
I did indeed get it while it was on offer
Any ideas on the lead time of sunshine V3?
I have lollipop on my Galaxy S5 and keen to get on the HTC too
Cheers for your help
Hello fellow xda people!
I know,I know, the title isn't very accurate. Give me suggestions if you have something more accurate.
I'd like to buy that phone, but after reading some threads here, I still have some questions :
-If I want to send my phone back to htc, let's say for a battery problem, should I go back to full stock? Because apparently to go back to stock we need to use a RUU, which needs S-OFF. But S-Off is a hint for them to understand we rooted, installed custom roms no? So if I need to send them back, am I screwed?
-Then, speaking about the customer service, how did you find it if you had to deal with it? And especially in Europe and France...
-If I don't want to go back to stock, should I go S-Off? Saw somewhere we had to pay for it :/, so is it worth it? What are the advantages?
-if I order it now, will I receive a quickcharge 2.0 charger or will I have to order it apart?
-How do you think will be the development for this phone in a few years? I'm new to HTC, so will they push updates for android N or was MM the last official update pushed?
-Are there different versions of the phone, making it incompatible with some ROMs? And if yes, which one should I choose? What is the name of the international version?
-I think that's all, If I need something else, I'll post back here
Thank you everyone!
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WoBble12 said:
I know,I know, the title isn't very accurate. Give me suggestions if you have something more accurate.
I think the title is great. It describes what you are trying to do, and what you are asking.
-If I want to send my phone back to htc, let's say for a battery problem, should I go back to full stock? Because apparently to go back to stock we need to use a RUU, which needs S-OFF. But S-Off is a hint for them to understand we rooted, installed custom roms no? So if I need to send them back, am I screwed? If returning to HTC for warranty, going back to full stock is recommended (stock software, LOCKED bootloader, and possibly s-on). You do not need s-off to RUU (as long as its the proper RUU for your M8 version and proper RUU number - no downgrading with s-on). But you do need s-off to make the bootloader say LOCKED (which after UNLOCKED, only RELOCKED is possible with s-on). If you have s-off, you can change it back to say s-on. Although it is possible (although uncommon) for devices to come from the factory with s-off, so requirement to make it s-on (for warranty) is debatable.
-Then, speaking about the customer service, how did you find it if you had to deal with it? And especially in Europe and France... I don't live in Europe, nor have I dealt with HTC very much. Honestly, I've owned 6 HTC devices, and almost zero problems with any of them.
-If I don't want to go back to stock, should I go S-Off? Saw somewhere we had to pay for it :/, so is it worth it? What are the advantages? You don't need s-off to root of flash custom ROMs. s-off is needed to flash modified hboots, manually flash radios, and a few other things. S-off is useful, but not mandatory for many people.
-if I order it now, will I receive a quickcharge 2.0 charger or will I have to order it apart? You will get a standard charger. If you want QC 2.0, you'll need to put it separately, but there are 3rd party versions that are good quality, and inexpensive.
-How do you think will be the development for this phone in a few years? I'm new to HTC, so will they push updates for android N or was MM the last official update pushed? I don't think HTC has stated it officially, but most of us are suspecting that MM is the last major update. So you may be relying to ports (from newer HTC devices), AOSP ROMs, etc. if you want Android N. ROM development is still decent; although certainly slowing. But I expect and hope some devs will keep supporting the M8 for some time to come.
-Are there different versions of the phone, making it incompatible with some ROMs? And if yes, which one should I choose? What is the name of the international version? CDMA version (Sprint and Verizon), the dual SIM M8, and M8 Eye all need specific ROMs (or at least specific kernels, in the case of the CDMA versions). Otherwise, the other M8 version are all virtually the same, and share ROMs. So for the purpose of custom ROMs, I would definitely recommend the "international" otherwise known as the "GSM" M8 (so any version except CDMA, dual SIM, or Eye).
You should also be careful where you buy from, and what version you are buying. I've seen some folks on here that thought they were buying a international/GSM M8, but it was a Sprint or Verizon that was debranded (software modified, back plate changed) to make it seem like a it was the international version.
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OK, Thank you very much @redpoint73 for this precise answer! So I was still browsing around for more info about that phone, and a guy said we have to extract the kernel of every ROM (except for stock based Roms) and flash it separately if we are s-on. It was a HTC forum, but the topic was very global, so is this specific phone part of them, or can I flash complete ROM packages directly without extracting the kernel?
And, another one, how can I be sure my phone is a GSM version? They have a different name under "about phone" section of the settings, but this can be faked I think. And I could also verify the MID in the boot loader?
WoBble12 said:
! So I was still browsing around for more info about that phone, and a guy said we have to extract the kernel of every ROM (except for stock based Roms) and flash it separately if we are s-on.
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That is totally false. This was true on some older HTC devices (maybe they mean the One M7?) but was never the case on the M8. You just wipe and flash the desired ROM. Kernel flashes with the ROM automatically.
WoBble12 said:
And, another one, how can I be sure my phone is a GSM version? They have a different name under "about phone" section of the settings, but this can be faked I think. And I could also verify the MID in the boot loader?
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You need to look at not only the CID and MID in bootloader (getvar all) but also the product name (such as m8_ul, etc.). CID and MID can be easily hacked with s-off, but as far as I've seen, the product name is never modified.
Good list of MIDs and product names (column labelled "Variant" on the table) here: http://droider.eu/2014/09/20/htc-one-m8-models/
Until you have the phone in hard, I'm not sure how much of this you can tell for sure. So buy from a reputable source, with a guaranteed method of refund of exchange, in case the device is not as advertised (and we're seeing more and more of that lately).