I have been using the note series from the Note2. One thing that always annoys me. Is apps and games that wont work with the spen. I understand that touch and the pen are effectively different inputs. Meaning a dev has to account for the spen specifically in his code. So im asking, has anyone come across an app that while active, mirrors the spen inputs to the normal touch ones.
It seems simple to a non dev like me, and would enable the spen for all apps. A tasker trigger based on the open apps to enable / disable and job done.
Anyone come across anything like this?
What apps and games don't work with the SPen? I just played Defense Zone 3 for an hour using only the SPen, and use it in other apps all the time. In fact, I can't recall a single time it didn't work in an app. It acts just like a stylus.
Of the current ones I'm playing. Dont starve pocket edition, FF Mobius and Randalls Monday. Don't starve is crying it for it. Over the years there are always a few at any given time.
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devs don't need to specifically support it at all.
they can request "touches" from android, and it will respond the same way for mouse, finger, and stylus.
the problem is devs that refuse to trust android's answer, and instead request touches directly from the capacitive sensor(and sometimes they mess up completely, and only request from the S-pen sensor)
pokemon go and the world ends with you both have this issue too(but twewy only in battles)
So an xposed module to spoof touch events as coming from the capacitive sensor. Could that work?
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the problem is devs that refuse to trust android's answer, and instead request touches directly from the capacitive sensor(and sometimes they mess up completely, and only request from the S-pen sensor)
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I heard that the incredible has an improved multi touch screen at the hardware level [compared to the N1], and was wondering if the Desire has the same physical screen as the N1?
Sorry I really really did search everywhere, if its been answered before.
Thanks.
Yes the Nexus and Desire share the same screen and with it the same 'problems'. I can understand why some find this a problem, but the I doubt many will actually use 'multitouch'. Dual touch should be enough, which works for pinch n zoom. Other than that, I don't use it. Unless you are an airhockey 'enthusiast'. Of course if I could actually choose between the two, I would obviously go for the better one. The Incredible and forward, all devices will probably have better screens than the N1 and Desire.
djind said:
I doubt many will actually use 'multitouch'. Dual touch should be enough, which works for pinch n zoom. Other than that, I don't use it. Unless you are an airhockey 'enthusiast'.
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djind,
Do you know if there are any Android application that has been designed using multitouch yet besides the games?
For example, is there any webbrowser that users two finger swipe left, two finger swipe right, two finger swipe up, two finger swipe down, three fingers touch, etc to effect different web browsing actions? Or, touch music players that fully utilise single/double/triple finger swipes, three finger touch, etc to perform everything from changing volume, chaging songs, changing playlist, etc without having to look at the screen for buttons while driving?
With a class full of iphone addicted gamers, I can see where full on multi touch is an advantage. Theres just so much game developers can do with the full screen avalible, BUT, we're going to see even more fragmentation on the marketplace now.
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djind,
Do you know if there are any Android application that has been designed using multitouch yet besides the games?
For example, is there any webbrowser that users two finger swipe left, two finger swipe right, two finger swipe up, two finger swipe down, three fingers touch, etc to effect different web browsing actions? Or, touch music players that fully utilise single/double/triple finger swipes, three finger touch, etc to perform everything from changing volume, chaging songs, changing playlist, etc without having to look at the screen for buttons while driving?
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No I do not, but there must be a reason for that.
Don't get me wrong, I like multitouch, it adds a lot to devices in general, but let's not forget that we have a mobile phone in our hands, or usually just on hand. Priority number one should be enabling the phone to use single handed the best possible way.
You can't actually use multitouch gestures and not look at the screen, what are we talking about here? If your phone does not have a volume rocker on the side, don't use it as an mp3 player (I must say I like the Creative X-Fi2, but you shouldn't have to wake the screen in order to change volume, bad Creative, bad!)
Multitouch gestures generally use more effort to perform compared to hardware button or a single button. One finger swipe is still number one in my book. You would have to give an exact multi-swipe from top to bottom in order to get the volume settings just right, or click on the volume rocker while your eyes are on the road.
Multitouch, like I said, adds a new dimension to the whole experience, but using 3 fingers on the screen covers most if not more than the whole screen. I don't see any ease of use in that. Yes you can use it for a shortcut, but actually performing a 3 finger action is what I think puts me off. A way to browse would indeed be two finger flick for next and previous page, or just touching the left/right key on the browser screen. It is all about ease of use.
The multitouch gestures are cool, but someitimes or usually unnecessary. Having all options and functions is fine, but I think most of the time anyone uses them is after: "Look what my phone can do."
At the end of the line, it's all about usefulness and necessity.
I don't play games and such on my phone (not a lot anyway), probably why I have these views. But somehow they still kind of make sense to me.
Palm has done a great job on the Pre and Pre Plus. The gesture area is the best implementation of ease of use and productivity I have seen so far, combined with the cards view option. I am definately getting a Pre Plus once they get here. It looks like it just works.
Too bad the HTC takeover is out of the question now. I would have loved to see what the great devs at xda could do with WebOs and their creativity and user feedback.
edit: Holy SHhh this reply is huge.. my apologies for this. I have to do some work for school, probably why I wrote this long reply..
i dont think ive ever encountered an iphone app that requires the use of more than 2 fingers (though it can detect up to 11 i think)
though the issue is that the desire can't even do 2 fingers well enough to go beyond pinching actions, anything like the hundreds of iphone games that require 2 fingers just won't work properly. which isn't much of an issue now as these kind of games dont really exist for android, but it may put devs off creating anything like this in the future.
One thing that I think proper multi-touch helps with is the onscreen keyboard.
Personally I think that typing on the virtual keyboard on the Desire is sh*t compared to the iPhone (which supports proper multi-touch). Perhaps I will have to adjust my typing style, but I just cannot type quickly on the Desire, whereas I can on the iPhone, also with fewer mistakes.
If I had the choice and the Incredible was out here in the UK now, then I would get it, no question (despite it's "looks that only a mother could love", and no hard keys for Home/Search/BackMenu).
OP:
http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/products/clearpad
N1 & Desire have Clearpad 2000, Incredible has Clearpad 3000.
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One thing that I think proper multi-touch helps with is the onscreen keyboard.
Personally I think that typing on the virtual keyboard on the Desire is sh*t compared to the iPhone (which supports proper multi-touch). Perhaps I will have to adjust my typing style, but I just cannot type quickly on the Desire, whereas I can on the iPhone, also with fewer mistakes.
If I had the choice and the Incredible was out here in the UK now, then I would get it, no question (despite it's "looks that only a mother could love", and no hard keys for Home/Search/BackMenu).
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How so?
Unless you somehow can use more than two fingers to type on a 3.7" screen then there should be no difference.
I agree about the iphone keyboard. It is perhaps because I was used to it, although I made the necessary mistakes, but I think mostly it has to do with the lay-out of the keyboard. It looks somehow as if it has more space between the key's which make it easier to actually hit the key you are focussing on. That's the feeling I get when I compare the Desire in my hands and the iPhone in my thoughts. But typing on the desire is fine.
Still gonna get the Pre Plus with portrait keyboard!
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OP:
http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/products/clearpad
N1 & Desire have Clearpad 2000, Incredible has Clearpad 3000.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/26/confirmed-droid-incredibles-multitouch-support-is-better-than/
Nope.
yeah typing on the desire is a lot harder for me than the iphone too, tho i don't think this is a multitouch issue.
the iphone keyboard guesses what key your tying to press, so even if you hit the one next to it the one you intended to hit comes up, im not sure if the desire keyboard does this.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/26/confirmed-droid-incredibles-multitouch-support-is-better-than/
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I stand corrected!
In reference to the keyboard issue - I've barely used iPhones, but I was typing quickly and error free in 60 sec. On the Desire it seems to register a single touch as more than one touch sometimes, causing a lot of error correction to have to go on, slowing me down as I have to pick the correct word from the list.
Hello everyone!
Just to confirm and prove it with a video, the Desire has the same issue as the N1
youtube.com/watch?v=MbFj8SV1XEE
Sorry for the link, but I am new and my account is not verified
Desire has a real multitouch, it's just that the Y axes is reversed when you use 2 fingers, this will be corrected in Froyo.
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Desire has a real multitouch, it's just that the Y axes is reversed when you use 2 fingers, this will be corrected in Froyo.
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Do you have a source for this information?
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Do you have a source for this information?
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Here it is: http://telephonino.altervista.org/en/google-rilascera-a-breve-android-2-2-“froyo”/
I've read it on others websites.
It's obvious, when you watch videos of this bug or play yourself at AirHockey, you can state that it's not messy/random, just reversed.
In fact it's a software issue so it can be easily corrected but as it may be in the driver which is not accessible for devs, we have to wait for an official update from HTC except if someone can dump N1's driver if it has been corrected with the last update, could someone test multitouch on the N1 as it has the same bug under 2.1 ?
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Desire has a real multitouch, it's just that the Y axes is reversed when you use 2 fingers, this will be corrected in Froyo.
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Froyo will not fix multitouch bug.. confirmed by froyo users on Nexus One.
You know I tried that app on the market to test multi touch and I could move 4 fingers/points at once... so I'm confused.
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Froyo will not fix multitouch bug.. confirmed by froyo users on Nexus One.
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That's a shame, we have to wait for a new synaptics clearpad 2000 driver from HTC.
Hey all -
These are probably basic questions, and I tried searching in this forums here, wasn't too successful, so I figured I'd throw this out there. My last phone was a Galaxy S 1 (yeah, *1*. Fascinate, from Verizon), so I have many generations of advancements I'm wading through.
I've seen the ads, and have had VERY limited success with the 'Air' things - like scrolling using your eyes (or tilting device). The 'touch' to me seems a little.. pointless, since it only registers me when I'm a fraction of a centimeter away from the screen - at that distance, it's just easier TOUCHING the screen.
Is this everyone's experience? Or is my phone just trying to keep its distance from me? Or are my hands and eyes defective? (A possibility!)
Also, are there any other recommended 'Remote Control' apps that can control multiple things (like my TV, DVD player) without requiring anything extra (liks a server or app on the TV, etc.) - Similar to the 'S Watch' app, which is focused on what's on TV instead of controlling it.
--Me.
The air things and motions are all a bit gimmicky, they were on the GS3 and they are now. I'd recommend just turning them most/all of them off and enjoying the phone. As for a remote app I think we need to wait for Samsung to release the API so that apps can use the IR blaster. Although I've found the WatchOn app works great, just ignore the suggestions, there's also an option to put the whole remote in the notifications bar if you want to bypass the app entirely.
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Hey all -
I've seen the ads, and have had VERY limited success with the 'Air' things - like scrolling using your eyes (or tilting device). The 'touch' to me seems a little.. pointless, since it only registers me when I'm a fraction of a centimeter away from the screen - at that distance, it's just easier TOUCHING the screen. Is this everyone's experience? Or is my phone just trying to keep its distance from me? Or are my hands and eyes defective? (A possibility!)
Also, are there any other recommended 'Remote Control' apps that can control multiple things (like my TV, DVD player) without requiring anything extra (liks a server or app on the TV, etc.) - Similar to the 'S Watch' app, which is focused on what's on TV instead of controlling it.
--Me.
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I doubt you're the only one. The Eye Scroll feature is just straining my eyes trying to get the phone to detect. Waste of time right now (too much lag). The Air Gestures are, as you said, kind of pointless and a waste of time. I have actually disabled all the "Smart" or "Air" features for now until they become more responsive and/or more useful.
WatchOn (/Peel Smart Remote) works pretty well for me. I'm able to control my TV, DVR (though I prefer the FiOS Remote app for this). Haven't tried with my DVD player yet, but then again, I haven't used my DVD player in a while.
Thanks guys.
I have it all disabled now - well, I DID before I installed CM10.1. One App on the App Store that said it supported the S 4 reported back to me that my 'device' was missing the hardware for the IR blaster. So once reflash stock, I'll keep with the WatchOn app for now.
I'm coming from the GS1 Vibrant, so there is definitely an adjustment period. While the 'Air' and 'Smart' features are gimmicky for sure, the Air features has its moments. Similar to their commercial about the "pool party," if ur hands are sticky, dirty, etc you can check for missed calls/texts if the screen is off. If the screen is on you can read entire texts. However, for me it isn't working with texts very consistently. As for the Smart features I disabled them all as I can see no consistent and practical use for them. I figure its only a matter of time before I turn off all the Air features as well. As for the IR blaster, it works perfectly. I'm just waiting for the NFL season to start so I can tune the bar tvs to the game I want to watch
After a little bit of experimentation and looking like a fool I've determined that the only air/motion feature that I'm going to leave on is the "Air View > Information Preview." The hovering your finger to get a preview in Gallery/Calendar/Messages is actually pretty useful.
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After a little bit of experimentation and looking like a fool I've determined that the only air/motion feature that I'm going to leave on is the "Air View > Information Preview." The hovering your finger to get a preview in Gallery/Calendar/Messages is actually pretty useful.
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I feel silly.. I could never get it to work. :laugh:
coyttl said:
Also, are there any other recommended 'Remote Control' apps that can control multiple things (like my TV, DVD player) without requiring anything extra (liks a server or app on the TV, etc.) - Similar to the 'S Watch' app, which is focused on what's on TV instead of controlling it.
--Me.
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Try this free app . It's good
bbs.tiqiaa.com/icontrol/app/icontrol.apk
I like, and find decently useful, everything of the new stuff except the ones that involve your eyes....(scroll, pause). Totally useless. Almost aggravating.
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xsq881117 said:
Try this free app . It's good
bbs.tiqiaa.com/icontrol/app/icontrol.apk
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Doesn't work, it's telling me : problem parsing the package
The watchon app works pretty good. They keep updating it getting more and more codes. You can add a bunch of devices to control. I have my tv, cable box and receiver working. And set up to change the volume on the receiver.
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The best app to use is on the play store. It is called smart remote glue Galaxy s4. I have used it since I have gotten this amazing phone
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Is anybody aware of an app or tweak or whatever that would allow the S-Pen to work in every app, maybe for the price of acting like a dumb touch stick? There is ton of apps (games) that fail to register S-Pen input at all. I'm not expecting that all the S-Pen associated bells and whistles would work, but it would be mighty nice to have the damn thing always available for basic touch input...
it works like that already.
regular touching works in every app, special support is only needed for S-pen button and pressure sensitivity.
thedicemaster said:
it works like that already.
regular touching works in every app, special support is only needed for S-pen button and pressure sensitivity.
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Nope it doesn't work in some apps and games like temple run ..
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in that case you can consider it a bug/design flaw in the app/game.
it might look directly at what it thinks is the touch sensor, which gives faster response times but also more compatibility problems.
properly designed apps just rely on touch signals provided by android.
it wouldn't surprise me if that game has issues with mice as well.
for apps/games that disregard good practice like that all you can do is report it as a bug to the developer.
in the past many "professional" motion controlled games suffered from the same problems(gameloft, EA, etc.)
Try to disable air view if the pen is not recognised in apps.
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Is there a Remote control/RDP/VNC/Whatever app that supports 1:1 S-pen to mouse movement?
I have tried many apps so far, but none of them supported hovering, just clicks (mouse was standing still until I clicked something).
matejdro said:
Is there a Remote control/RDP/VNC/Whatever app that supports 1:1 S-pen to mouse movement?
I have tried many apps so far, but none of them supported hovering, just clicks (mouse was standing still until I clicked something).
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doubt it... have you tried team viewer? cause they are the only ones who managed to perform a remote control into a Samsung phone from a pc and vice versa meaning they have intensively worked with touchwiz software libraries I guess so maybe they have s pen support !!
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doubt it... have you tried team viewer? cause they are the only ones who managed to perform a remote control into a Samsung phone from a pc and vice versa meaning they have intensively worked with touchwiz software libraries I guess so maybe they have s pen support !!
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GoToMyPC seems to do just that. While hovering the S-Pen over my Note 3 it mirrored a mouse movement on my PC. It was a nice improvement, but not as great as I it could have been, since the resolution is way off and you still need to use movements to move the viewable area or be left with really tiny screen. And more importantly, GoToMyPC is extremely pricy to maintain - about 10$ a month... Really isn't worth it for me, but feel free to test it with the 30 days trial.
I'm also installing right now the VirtualTablet app. Remote controlling the PC isn't their main aim, but it does mention as a side feature of the program. It might prove to be helpful.
For everybody that is still looking for that: official RDP app from Microsoft does that job wonderfully. And if you are running AOSP based ROM, you can also hold S-pen button to right click.
matejdro said:
For everybody that is still looking for that: official RDP app from Microsoft does that job wonderfully. And if you are running AOSP based ROM, you can also hold S-pen button to right click.
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Is that with pressure sensitivity?
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to keep your screen to stay on, while reading for example, without changing your display settings? Or while showing someone else something on your phone without having to tap your screen every 15 to 30 second (depending on your settings) just to "keep it alive".
This thread is nothing more than a discussion of an idea of mine. Feel free to add your honest opinion and maybe even ideas of realization as I'm not well educated in the art of app development and maybe someone who likes this idea could put it into practise .
Let's begin:
The fingerprint reader is one of the most innovative features in the history of mobile devices. On most devices it work with nearly no delay and with Google's newest feature one can even swap down the notifications and the quick tiles.
How hard is it to implement the scanner into an app and assign different actions like "register as tap" or if it registers a double tap "switch to last app" ? (Not criticizing, it's really a question )
Those features would make my life much easier and would open up new possibilities.
I would like to see if it's possible to scroll pages with it too. I believe there is lots of room to grow with this.
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Or be able to go mimic the back button by swiped left to right or right to left.
I always thought it would be nice if you could use the fingerprint reader to answer a incoming phone call. Hopefully with this new actions we have in reader some of these things will be possible.
I think it would be nice to be able to scroll through your notifications and to be able to open the app that you select with the sensor. The stay on feature would be amazing as well.
If I could pull out the edge tray hamburger from a side swipe I'd be happy.
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Most of the features don't sound too hard to realize, some of them may even appear in some future devices by Samsung or Huawei, but if Google could add native Android support, even lower priced models could feature some of those.... Hopefully this thread will be seen :angel:
I was also thinking it would be cool to have those features. I find myself tapping the fingerprint reader when reading and the page starts to go dark. Of course it doesn't do anything but wish it did. Don't know how the scrolling would work but that would be awesome too.
I'm surprised you can't even take a selfie with it. I thought this was an accepted use of the reader.
I would like to see the fingerprint lock the screen as well.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-fingerprint-scanner-gestures-725490/
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I find it odd that although you can pull down the notification shade with the fingerprint scanner it will not brighten the screen like touching it will.
Give it a go, wait for the screen to dim just before it turns off and use the fingerprint reader to pull the shade down, it stays dim...
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Most of the features don't sound too hard to realize, some of them may even appear in some future devices by Samsung or Huawei, but if Google could add native Android support, even lower priced models could feature some of those.... Hopefully this thread will be seen :angel:
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I believe Google will add more gestures along with many featurea in future updates. I bet they make them Pixel exclusive though. Since samsung is seriously considering Tizen as an Android replacement Google is also going to make features exclusive to their phones. No OEM has ever utilized all the built in features of Android so what's the point in writing features no OEM is going to use. I hope Google takes complete control of Android so people can see what Android was meant to be. Not just a base for OEM's to mess up and layer their own crappy alternative software over the top. Since samsung likes to replace everything with their bloat they would probably see performance increases going the same route and designing the hardware and software. Too bad Tizen is horrid looking though. I think the era of one version of Android fits all is coming to an end. The new Google formula will be what OEM's also adopt, or they will be forced to just become "for hire" manufacturers like HTC. Remember when foxconn made hardware before becoming an exclusive iPhone manufacturer. Googles vision was that every device ran the same version but no OEM wanted to cooperate with them. So they are taking control of Android. Because of this I think we will see much more features and development for Pixel phones. Resulting in a better Android experience for the Android user. Flame me if you want, but this change is inevitable. And I'm on board!
As probably many already saw:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-fingerprint-to-unlock-t3466549/page24
I hope this new app will allow all features I asked for and will make its way into stock Android!
Any further ideas or discussions can be mentioned in the apps thread, this thread can now be closed, thanks for taking part :fingers-crossed: