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Intermittent GPS Problem

Hi there.
I've searched for this problem and hadn't found much information, maybe some of you had this problem.
The problem is: The GPS software don't receive signal from the GPS receiver, sometimes 1 (to a max of 3 bars) on the satelitte options of the GPS software go up, but no fix. Other times with no apparent reason it works correctly until it goes out again (from some minutes to some days).
I've tried with this softwares, and the same results:
Tom Tom navigator 7
Garmin XT
Ndrive (don't know the version)
and
NoniGPSPlot (it's not a navitation software but should work to test)
I've tried several ROMs, same results.
I've tried to clean the internal antenna contacts and bend them in a way to make a best contact.
Any guess?
Best Regards.

Have you tried updating the quickgps to get a better fix?
Also where are you running the gps from? (home, outside etc.)

Hi, thanks for your reply.
I've tried that, but I think it wouldn't make wonders anyway. One of the times I was able to put it working, was after updating QuickGPS, but now I see it was a coincidence.
I make most of the tries at a balcony I have in my apartment where I can see about 70% of the sky (it already worked there before).
Any more guesses?
Best Regards.

CidiRome said:
Hi, thanks for your reply.
I've tried that, but I think it wouldn't make wonders anyway. One of the times I was able to put it working, was after updating QuickGPS, but now I see it was a coincidence.
I make most of the tries at a balcony I have in my apartment where I can see about 70% of the sky (it already worked there before).
Any more guesses?
Best Regards.
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Depending on the location, i have realised you have to move around to get a good fix.
If you move around, say around 2 square meter in you balcony you wont be able to get a precise fix as the satellite will think your are still in the same place. Try walking around with it on the road and see if you get any improvements.
if you still have no luck and since you have tried various roms i would suggest you send it for repair?

I thought that it would be better to be still to get a better fix... It seems I'm wrong.
I'm now trying the original ROM from HTC.
BTW, "as the satellite will think your are still in the same place", I thought the GPS system only receives information from the satellites, am I wrong?
Best Regards.

Sorry i meant the gps reciever

Finally I solved the problem.
Sent my Artemis to service
The main board was replaced, now it works as a charm.
Best Regards.

GPS Patch !

first we are sad that a cople of users are against us!
For this reason we are stopping with the project.
we want to help the communitie but some people dont want to help to this and want to block this kind of users.
some people are making there own c# code but we work in vb.net so it isnt possible they can view the sourche code from the application.
i hope you all will accept this and to the users that cant get there gps working now we are sorry maby we are back in the future

FAQ Becose it is needed
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reservd for images
Here is a youtube vid.
The video was taking inside a building and with the patch we got a good signal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j8ylsb1Qtc
the picture is also taking inside.

Last one
Last one

That is wonderfull!
Soon as I recieve my Rhodium I´ll install it
Thanks!

What is the fix for?

What problem is this patch supposed to address? Slow/intermittent GPS lock, Lag, or some other problem?
As far as I can see it is simply an animated GIF set to display during boot and changing some registry entries relating to the GPS intermediate driver and increasing the file system cache.
Tom

aarrodri said:
What is the fix for?
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I adjusted the post.

frogfoot said:
What problem is this patch supposed to address? Slow/intermittent GPS lock, Lag, or some other problem?
As far as I can see it is simply an animated GIF set to display during boot and changing some registry entries relating to the GPS intermediate driver and increasing the file system cache.
Tom
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yes tom,
the reason i added the gps is that the stupid microsoft visual studio wont allow to build cab files with out a file in it.
it indeed adjust a couple of registry settings but if you do it in the way it is writen above you get a gps fix,
It is for the
lag problem, getting no gps signal in any way.
i even get gps in house now
greats antonius

I have a fix with out this in 3 sec in mine house with google maps.(5sat.)

janshuizing said:
I have a fix with out this in 3 sec in mine house with google maps.(5sat.)
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it is for people with problems

Stuck while it's a hot topic.
Dave

Do you know if T-Mobile TP2s need the new radio driver, or is the included radio up-to-date?

|Blitzkrieg| said:
Do you know if T-Mobile TP2s need the new radio driver, or is the included radio up-to-date?
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if yours works out of the box, don't patch it.
mine is Tmo TP2 and get almost instant sat lock, so I am not going to patch mine for now.

That's the radio version I have. What does the cab file do? Does it automatically change the registry settings for the GPS Intermediate driver? If so, I have made those changes and I still get GPS lag.

gps lag
i work at a auto repair shop and on occasion i get the oppurtunity to drive a customers car that has a dedicated gps. what i have noticed is that the lag time with those dedicated units and my old touch diamond and touch pro is that the lag time is about the same. i have not tested it with my current phone (tp2)just yet but it seems about the same maybe a little faster. imho i think it has something to do with the lag time with the gps signal having to travel so far. if we think about it, the signal has to travel out into space and then back down. things no matter how fast are not instantaneous.
btw i love this phone. i just typed all this on my tp2! great keyboard.
just my two cents

GPS is another reason I miss my HTC Dream. It was fast and worked indoors. SO far, I see no improvement with this radio and .cab. Of course, I already had an alleged GPS fix with a different radio (3.44.25.27 +A-GPS hot fix). I will test outside now. So far nothing indoors. update: well... it does seem to pick up faster outside now. good fix! not great but a bit better than before. good find!

This Fix works great in my TP2...
Question: Installed but my free program down 6MB..? BTW I'm using Miri V 1.1 Manila 2.5
Edit: My Garmin 5.00.20w works better than my TyTNII... It locks inside my house within 5 second.. More amazing in my bed room which I never get any GPS signal... Antonius .. Genius...

testaccount said:
if yours works out of the box, don't patch it.
mine is Tmo TP2 and get almost instant sat lock, so I am not going to patch mine for now.
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Sadly, mine's not working un-patched. TeleNav and Google Maps both are having a hard time getting satelite locks, indoors and out, moving and stationary

|Blitzkrieg| said:
Sadly, mine's not working un-patched. TeleNav and Google Maps both are having a hard time getting satelite locks, indoors and out, moving and stationary
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download the new program that i just put online.
and try it again.
p.s. did you update your radio rom ?

OK had a guts full

I have always thought HTC had excellent phone - so I went out and brought the touch pro 2 to to replace my TyTn ii.
boy what a mistake - sorry but I'm really sick of the problems (owned for less than 1 day!!!), first Telstra had the phone so full of crud that it ran like a 3 legged dog, then could not get the darn thing to sync with exchange server until I found a post recommending the change of the setting under one of the data options, this only took 2 hours of troubleshooting (still can't get it to sync when plugged in has to flash a cab for the hardspl to work) - no problem flashed new Rom from 6.1 to 6.5 using the energy rom - which I have to admit fixed all the issues, now fast looks good - all happy.
But no - bloody GPS won't work so after a further 5 hours of stuffing round now 1am have given up. Can't find location settings for the quick GPS (have bloody scoured this forum and google) installed Tom tom 7.19, 7.10 (4 versions so far) - map works just no bloody GPS, google maps won't work - yep no bloody GPS. remove faulty blue-tooth drivers - hard booted, soft booted, even thrown the stupid thing across the room - yep that did not help either.
Never had these issues with the TyTn II - how the heck can a new state of the art phone be just as useless as this.
rant over - off to bed.

@grungysquash. A pity really, but your so far in the minority that after reading all the threads that you said you read I find it hard to believe you don't notice all the raves about this device. If it were me that'd make me think maybe there's something I'm missing. I had a tytn 2 also and wow, that does take me back. Like my tp2 way,way better.
So hearing how many kudos the tp2 gets maybe you should give it a better go.
Now you might think this a stupid question , but I gotta ask as you'd be amazed how many don't know this: Re the gps, Two things are a must to do before it will work properly. Under your network settings the box for being able to see the device location has to be checked. It is usually unchecked by default. Also enable quick gps. Try google maps to test as it is the easiest. The first sat. lock can take a min. I can use my gps with google maps inside most buildings and it is very fast.
Don't be impatient and take it easy and you'll find the answers to your issues, then you'll find your issues wern't much of an issue after all.
Give it a fair shot tho. Good Luck.
P.S. have you checked out ppcgeeks? I don't recall seeing anyone with your handle commenting over there. Maybe I missed it, but that is the place for fantastic tp2 info. Not that xda isn't good.

grungysquash said:
I have always thought HTC had excellent phone - so I went out and brought the touch pro 2 to to replace my TyTn ii.
boy what a mistake - sorry but I'm really sick of the problems (owned for less than 1 day!!!), first Telstra had the phone so full of crud that it ran like a 3 legged dog, then could not get the darn thing to sync with exchange server until I found a post recommending the change of the setting under one of the data options, this only took 2 hours of troubleshooting (still can't get it to sync when plugged in has to flash a cab for the hardspl to work) - no problem flashed new Rom from 6.1 to 6.5 using the energy rom - which I have to admit fixed all the issues, now fast looks good - all happy.
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Translation: Telstra's ROM Sucks.
grungysquash said:
But no - bloody GPS won't work so after a further 5 hours of stuffing round now 1am have given up. Can't find location settings for the quick GPS (have bloody scoured this forum and google) installed Tom tom 7.19, 7.10 (4 versions so far) - map works just no bloody GPS, google maps won't work - yep no bloody GPS. remove faulty blue-tooth drivers - hard booted, soft booted, even thrown the stupid thing across the room - yep that did not help either.
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Translation: Your GPS is broken.
grungysquash said:
Never had these issues with the TyTn II - how the heck can a new state of the art phone be just as useless as this.
rant over - off to bed.
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Install QuickGPS, you'll be able to easily see the status of the GPS with it.. If it's not getting any sats, the GPS is broken for whatever reason. There's not likely any settings in QuickGPS you need to do unless Telestra set it wrong in the registry. I recall reading some folks found UK where they needed US in the QuickGPS registry entries, thus downloading the wrong set of ephemeris data. Possible, but regardless of bad QuickGPS data if it doesn't get sats within a minute there is a hardware problem. QuickGPS data just gives it some initial information in order to more quickly evaluate satellite positions.

Get Energy's rom

You gotta ask yourself, why am I the only person with this problem.

grungysquash said:
I have always thought HTC had excellent phone - so I went out and brought the touch pro 2 to to replace my TyTn ii.
boy what a mistake - sorry but I'm really sick of the problems (owned for less than 1 day!!!), first Telstra had the phone so full of crud that it ran like a 3 legged dog, then could not get the darn thing to sync with exchange server until I found a post recommending the change of the setting under one of the data options, this only took 2 hours of troubleshooting (still can't get it to sync when plugged in has to flash a cab for the hardspl to work) - no problem flashed new Rom from 6.1 to 6.5 using the energy rom - which I have to admit fixed all the issues, now fast looks good - all happy.
But no - bloody GPS won't work so after a further 5 hours of stuffing round now 1am have given up. Can't find location settings for the quick GPS (have bloody scoured this forum and google) installed Tom tom 7.19, 7.10 (4 versions so far) - map works just no bloody GPS, google maps won't work - yep no bloody GPS. remove faulty blue-tooth drivers - hard booted, soft booted, even thrown the stupid thing across the room - yep that did not help either.
Never had these issues with the TyTn II - how the heck can a new state of the art phone be just as useless as this.
rant over - off to bed.
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Unlucky mate - you picked the right ROM, just the wrong version. GPS isn't working on the latest NRG ROM. I'm sure it'll be fixed shortly but in the meantime I'd use the previous version.
The TP2 is definitely THE best phone currently available.

Ramsfan_Jim said:
Unlucky mate - you picked the right ROM, just the wrong version. GPS isn't working on the latest NRG ROM. I'm sure it'll be fixed shortly but in the meantime I'd use the previous version.
The TP2 is definitely THE best phone currently available.
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am running Pure Energy's 24th rom - which I think is brilliant, if this has a fault (seems there is a post which shows someone else has the identical problem.) then this would explain this.
Will flash the older rom and see how I go - a new day a new challenge, have to admit the phone looks nice again this morning just had to reset the exchange settings after the hard reset. Everything works except the GPS
I did google into ppcgeeks forum but have not joined - have been flashing phones since I struggled with the mighty JamJam with winmo5, (ended up flashing 4 others too for work mates who got sick of the soft reset) have always been able to sort issues like this out just this one I could not resolve.

GPS is fine in the Energy Phoenix2 28002 build. I loaded it shortly before the 28004 version was up'ed and would imagine GPS would be fine there too based on the very minimal amount of changes to the ROM.

GPS seems to be broken in the new 21876 build, as used in the very latest EnergyROM. There weren't any reported problems with GPS in the builds before that. Remember, you've downloaded a brand-new cooked ROM on the day it was released, everyone is effectively beta testing this ROM !
Use one of the preceding versions of EnergyROM and you should be fine.

grungysquash said:
am running Pure Energy's 24th rom - which I think is brilliant, if this has a fault (seems there is a post which shows someone else has the identical problem.) then this would explain this.
Will flash the older rom and see how I go - a new day a new challenge, have to admit the phone looks nice again this morning just had to reset the exchange settings after the hard reset. Everything works except the GPS
I did google into ppcgeeks forum but have not joined - have been flashing phones since I struggled with the mighty JamJam with winmo5, (ended up flashing 4 others too for work mates who got sick of the soft reset) have always been able to sort issues like this out just this one I could not resolve.
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OK confirmed - it's the ROM - flashed back to 19 Nov NRG EnergyROM GPS working, so it seems the 24 November ROM has a problem which seems to affect the unlucky. I guess the fact I flashed the rom on day of release coupled with the fact it was the first ROM I had flashed on the phone (only hours old) I assumed there was some fault with the unit - when the fault lies with the user. Time to Slap myself DOH
I apologize for my above rant, brought on by hours of frustration and lack of sleep - maybe the three or so beers did not help with the trouble shooting either.

GPS problems in Europe

HI!!
I live in China and I was using garmin XT, which works pretty good.
now I'm in Europe with the right maps, but I can't get signal, normally I can see even more than 3 satellites but never get more than the 2 red bars in the signal indicator of Garmin, any idea? maybe some settings I need to check?.
I wrote them but I think is going to be faster here hehe, and I will be in Europe only 3 more days.
well I hope someone can help me!
cheers!!

update your quickgps but normally it should work fine if you got the correct map.

thanks!
yes is up to date, and any way even without the maps should at least get the proper signal right?
well I don't know, I'm little worry that maybe is a hardware problem,
anyone else has any idea?
cheers!!!

I am having the same issue with Garmin XT. I live in Norway and here i only get 3 satellites and no red bars.
Is this a issue with Garmin XT or my phone (Blackstone) not communicating correct with Garmin.
And, i have the quick gps updated.
paulove

mm, I just realize that is not only garmin, because I tried IGO and is the same, not enough satellites!

Hi,
you must check your time zone, if its incorrect gps wont work!
check it in windows setting and gps software setting. you must are configured in the same time zone that the country you are.
One day that problem append to me without travel. i was in paris and the winmo bug of time zone changing append, and my igo was down 2or3 satellites in view same you. After 3 day of searching i have checked time zone and it was wrong.
In iGo it was a setting for time zone in the Regional setting page be carreful of it if it wrong GPS wont work.
Thierry

thierryjc said:
Hi,
you must check your time zone, if its incorrect gps wont work!
check it in windows setting and gps software setting. you must are configured in the same time zone that the country you are.
One day that problem append to me without travel. i was in paris and the winmo bug of time zone changing append, and my igo was down 2or3 satellites in view same you. After 3 day of searching i have checked time zone and it was wrong.
In iGo it was a setting for time zone in the Regional setting page be carreful of it if it wrong GPS wont work.
Thierry
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thanks, I check it, and well, the time zone was OK, but not the place, I corrected it but nothing change, Garmin find the satellites really fast, but normally 3 some times 4 but is not enough still shows me 2 red bars in the signal indicator.
any other idea? please!!, becasue if is a hardware problem, I will need to change my phone, but I bought it in China and in China works, then they are not going to replace it!.
thanks in advance!

Gps Fix
I had similar problem going from Italy to Canary island and using IGO8. The fix appened, more or less casually, using Google maps : I got the position and the map. Then, when I tried again with Igo8, after a short time, i got a fix. Bye

tavazzi said:
I had similar problem going from Italy to Canary island and using IGO8. The fix appened, more or less casually, using Google maps : I got the position and the map. Then, when I tried again with Igo8, after a short time, i got a fix. Bye
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thanks!, I didn't really want to buy a sim card hehe, but I will try your advice!

Differences in GPS accuracy in radio versions?

Hi,
I'm currently on radio version Radio_12.35d.60.140fU_26.08.03.07_M_Test running CoreDroid Desire HD V4.6.
As I'm using my phone for Geocaching, I'm not very happy with the GPS accuracy.
My /system/etc/gps.conf is set to NTP_SERVER=europe.pool.ntp.org.
I've tried the usual reset and download A-GPS using GPS Status, and I get a fix pretty quick.
When I go Geocaching my friend with an iPhone4 (!) has a much more accurate GPS. I miss my target with 10 m.
So my question is, are there any differences in the GPS accuracy in the different Radio versions?
BR,
C

crusher88 said:
Hi,
I'm currently on radio version Radio_12.35d.60.140fU_26.08.03.07_M_Test running CoreDroid Desire HD V4.6.
As I'm using my phone for Geocaching, I'm not very happy with the GPS accuracy.
My /system/etc/gps.conf is set to NTP_SERVER=europe.pool.ntp.org.
I've tried the usual reset and download A-GPS using GPS Status, and I get a fix pretty quick.
When I go Geocaching my friend with an iPhone4 (!) has a much more accurate GPS. I miss my target with 10 m.
So my question is, are there any differences in the GPS accuracy in the different Radio versions?
BR,
C
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I think the only way to answer this question is to suggest that you try different radios and see what works best for you.
The success or failure of the radio depends on so many factors.... where you live, carrier, rom, signal strengths, etc, etc..... and also on what you are looking for from the radio ie battery life, phone signal, gps signal, etc.
There is no definitive answer!

Some days ago I struggled with some GPS troubles too.
It took me quite a while to figure this out but it is well reproducible on my DHD (everything performed outside, for sure):
GPS from the radio 12.28e.60.140f_26.04.02.17_M2 from WWE 1.72 or the 12.35d.60.140fU_26.08.03.07_M_Test radio behave like this: When you start GPS status for the first time after boot the DHD starts to fix one satellite after another and then keep them ALL fixed. When you now quit GPS Status and restart it the DHD starts to fix satellites again but then lose some of them just to fix them again a second later or so, then loses some of them again and so on. Sometimes you then have just 3 or 4 satellites fixed. The only way for me to get rid of this strange behavior is to make a cold restart then GPS status is fine again for the first start, but after restarting GPS Status same again.
When I use the radio from the 1.32 WWE this does not appear after restarting GPS Status, it always fixes as much satellites as possible and KEEP them CONSTANTLY fixed (here in Austria regularly around 9). When I use my DHD for car nav I don’t care too much about it but I guess this might play a rule when you use it for geocaching (and need more accuracy, which is provided by more fixed satellites, if I am not wrong) … hope that helps a little bit.

This is the Desire HD's only flaw, the GPS. Well for me anyway.
You can get it working to a point. And i think all the guys cooking ROMs have got this right now.
For example i am running CM7 RC4 and i can now always get a lock but it bounces a lot. What i mean is, take google maps for example, the GPS locks, and almost never loses the lock now, but the circle that fixes your position on the map is constantly on you then way off you all the time. So it knows that you are 'somewhere there'. which for a GPS in an urban area 'somewhere there', anything from 10m - 500m, is not good enough.
In reality it is not very good at all and is very disappoint as the big screen makes using maps a big plus
I have given up on trying to get this to work now. My Desire contract is up for renewal soon so i will get another phone and at this point an HTC phone may not be my next phone. HTC has mostly great build quality but they don't seem to care if the phone features work or not. Which is sad because if they addresses this issure, and its been the same for a good while now, they would be the the best phone for sure.
Personally i think that they could do better with the camera and GPS, the hardware.
Oh and i have also tried many different radios.