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I've done lots of searching, but I haven't found anyone with this specific problem.
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So it all started about a month ago. I plugged in my Evo 4g for the night (As the battery often lasts me a full day.) at around 10% I sleep very well and peacefully. When I wake up in the morning I notice my battery is still at 10%. "CRAP!" I thought, "Did I forget to plug it in?" So I checked everything, made sure it was plugged in, and went to class, without the phone of course. When I got back later that day, I went to my phone, and it was STILL at 10% I was freaking out. I thought my battery had died already! (At this point the phone was less than 2 weeks old.) Finally after being unable to charge, and only having 10% battery, the thing went kaput. Died. I could not for the life of me charge the phone. So I left it sitting around while I had screaming matches with not only Sprint, but the Radioshack I picked it up at. Ugh. About a week later and just as I was about to pay $100 for a new phone, I fixed it. I don't know how, or what happened. I plugged it in out of habbit, and BAM it started working. "**** YOU SPRINT!" *Hangs up phone.* I went on my marry way, being extra careful now to monitor the battery (Which was charging very normally, and lasting me a full day at little to moderate use) Then one day I was just sitting around playing videogames this past Saturday and thought "I'm not using my phone, I'll plug it in and forget about it." (The battery being at 70%.) I plugged it in and about 4 hours (And some amazing killstreaks on CoD) later, my friend called me to ask if I wanted to get lunch (He called my Evo, of course.) "Sure! I'll be right there." I hung up, closed the phone app, looked at my battery, and my heart sank. ...70% "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" (Read: Darth Vader) How could this happen AGAIN?! I used it for the rest of the day conserving as much juice as possible, and trying to charge it every chance I got. But alas.. it died once again. Now, nothing I've tried has worked. I pulled the battery over and over, plugged it in for hours and then tried to turn it on, tried a USB charger, and wall charger (Both HTC, the out of the box original) I tried my roomates LG chargers (USB and wall) Nothing worked! Then I was randomly pressing buttons when I held Power+Up (Which apparently is some kind of hacker-magic) and I got to a white screen! I thought I was saved! I let go of the power button to move around on the screen, or do something at all. Then nothing. It immediately went back to black. And now, it doesn't even go to the white screen anymore! So my question is, (Finally, god he rambled on forever) is there anything I can do to save my amazing phone outside of buying a new battery? Is this a known issue? Even with a new battery, would the same problem occur? And most importantly: What's causing this? Am I at error? Or is it the phone's fault?
Also, sorry for the long story, but I'm sure you get 1000 "Y MY FONE NO WERK?" And I wanted to make mine interesting, at least.
TL;DR My phone doesn't charge, tried every suggestion I could find.
zebra690 said:
I've done lots of searching, but I haven't found anyone with this specific problem.
(Too long; didn't read it) at the bottom.
So it all started about a month ago. I plugged in my Evo 4g for the night (As the battery often lasts me a full day.) at around 10% I sleep very well and peacefully. When I wake up in the morning I notice my battery is still at 10%. "CRAP!" I thought, "Did I forget to plug it in?" So I checked everything, made sure it was plugged in, and went to class, without the phone of course. When I got back later that day, I went to my phone, and it was STILL at 10% I was freaking out. I thought my battery had died already! (At this point the phone was less than 2 weeks old.) Finally after being unable to charge, and only having 10% battery, the thing went kaput. Died. I could not for the life of me charge the phone. So I left it sitting around while I had screaming matches with not only Sprint, but the Radioshack I picked it up at. Ugh. About a week later and just as I was about to pay $100 for a new phone, I fixed it. I don't know how, or what happened. I plugged it in out of habbit, and BAM it started working. "**** YOU SPRINT!" *Hangs up phone.* I went on my marry way, being extra careful now to monitor the battery (Which was charging very normally, and lasting me a full day at little to moderate use) Then one day I was just sitting around playing videogames this past Saturday and thought "I'm not using my phone, I'll plug it in and forget about it." (The battery being at 70%.) I plugged it in and about 4 hours (And some amazing killstreaks on CoD) later, my friend called me to ask if I wanted to get lunch (He called my Evo, of course.) "Sure! I'll be right there." I hung up, closed the phone app, looked at my battery, and my heart sank. ...70% "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" (Read: Darth Vader) How could this happen AGAIN?! I used it for the rest of the day conserving as much juice as possible, and trying to charge it every chance I got. But alas.. it died once again. Now, nothing I've tried has worked. I pulled the battery over and over, plugged it in for hours and then tried to turn it on, tried a USB charger, and wall charger (Both HTC, the out of the box original) I tried my roomates LG chargers (USB and wall) Nothing worked! Then I was randomly pressing buttons when I held Power+Up (Which apparently is some kind of hacker-magic) and I got to a white screen! I thought I was saved! I let go of the power button to move around on the screen, or do something at all. Then nothing. It immediately went back to black. And now, it doesn't even go to the white screen anymore! So my question is, (Finally, god he rambled on forever) is there anything I can do to save my amazing phone outside of buying a new battery? Is this a known issue? Even with a new battery, would the same problem occur? And most importantly: What's causing this? Am I at error? Or is it the phone's fault?
Also, sorry for the long story, but I'm sure you get 1000 "Y MY FONE NO WERK?" And I wanted to make mine interesting, at least.
TL;DR My phone doesn't charge, tried every suggestion I could find.
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This may sound really simple but......have you tried another battery?
I hooked up my TP2 to the charger after school and my phone seemed to be fine.
The battery is kinda weak these days and I should probably buy a replacement, but I haven't had anything happen quite like this...
Late in the night, I checked my phone and noticed it was in an endless loop of - vibrate, then show stock pinkish and white welcome screen (Tmobile), turn off, repeat. I vaguely remember the screen turning on and off earlier in the day, but I didn't pay much attention until now.
So, I took the SDCard out thinking it was XDAndroid messing things up, but it continued to loop on and off.
Then, I took the battery out to see if I could get it to start with just the charger. It would not. I thought this was strange, since I took the battery out while it was plugged up a few days earlier and it stayed on.
I also tried the tiny little reset button in the hopes that it would stop the loop. But of course, that didn't help.
Eventually, I pulled out my old Tmobile Dash. The old Dash booted fine yet I haven't charged it in several months. Everything about this old phone is excellent, and to this day I think it's one of HTC's finest phones.
I looked at the batteries. Same power connectors, nearly the same output. 500mAh difference between the two, but they had the same voltage. So I stuck the Dash battery into the Touch Pro 2. Unfortunately, the Dash's battery has a tiny notch on it that prevents me from using it. Looks like I could tear that off easily... but I figured it was there for a reason and looked online for solutions.
I couldn't find anything online that seemed to help.
So... I tore the little notch off of the Dash battery. It was a lot easier than I thought it would be, since it's not actually part of the battery, but instead part of the plastic wrapping around the battery.
After that I was able to line up the connectors and hold the battery in place. I didn't have to touch anything and the phone came to life.
Oh great! I thought. Then I plugged the phone to the charger and took the battery out. The phone died. I was surprised that the phone couldn't stay on as I've seen before. I tried this a few times, switching the batteries out as fast as I could.
No matter how fast I switched them, the only result would be an endless boot loop and no charge.
At least now I knew it was the battery. I had assumed it was XDAndroid (I had just installed the October kernel - which by the way is much more stable and fasterthan what's used in the July FRX07 release package).
Since Android wasn't suspect anymore, I thought I'd try booting into it with the Dash battery. Once it was done booting into Android, and with the charger connected, I took the battery out.
It stayed on.
Now I was getting somewhere!
I put the original battery back into the Touch Pro 2, put it in Airplane mode (turning off all wireless devices), and now it's charging.
It was kinda funny to see the charging levels during this process. It was at 94% with the Dash battery, then I took out the battery and it stayed there. After putting in the TP2 battery it went down gradually to 54%, and it probably sank lower before rising again. It's now at 71% I'm thinking of maybe turning it off and leaving it connected to the charger to see if it'll start with the loop again. If it doesn't start a loop, then it'll charge faster since it'll be turned off.
Long story short:
When this happens to your Touch Pro 2, it's your battery. I don't recommend fooling with a Dash battery like I did, instead, buy a stand alone battery charger like this one: http://www.amazon.com/Travel-Charge..._1_4?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1318308064&sr=1-4
Or maybe buy a brand new battery. Don't buy cell phone batteries from Amazon though, try getting it from HTC if you can.
My experience sucked, and I hope this post will be of some use to other people still using this particular phone.
My wife and I each purchased a Galaxy Nexus from the Google Play store last July. Recently, my wife's phone started only charging sporadically when connected to a charger. The symptoms don't line up exactly with any other situation I've found described online, so please bear with me while I type out a full report.
I tried removing the battery and using a precision screwdriver to "nudge" the micro USB port "tongue" toward the screen. I thought it had fixed the problem as the phone started charging immediately after I plugged it back in, but when I checked it ~30 minutes later, it had stopped charging.
I tried taking the battery out of my GNex and putting it in my wife's phone; I put my wife's battery in my phone. That seemed to fix the problem, though, again, it was only temporary. I was able to get both batteries to charge to ~80%, then swapped them back. Again, my wife's phone charged the battery, but only for a short while. I swapped batteries twice more to rule out a bad battery; the same symptoms persisted, so I can confirm the battery is not the culprit.
I tried cleaning the micro USB port by removing the battery and using a needle and 91% isopropyl alcohol to clear any dirt or dust from the contacts. I waited for the alcohol to evaporate, reinstalled the battery, and plugged the phone back in to the charger. Same result as before: Phone charged for a little while, but stopped charging before reaching full charge.
We tried 4 different USB chargers: The charger that came with my wife's GNex, the charger that came with my GNex, the charger that came with the Droid RAZR MAXX that I use for work, and the charger that came with my wife's Verizon Jetpack. Same results on all chargers.
Now for some oddities:
The "charge for a while, but stops charging after a while" persists whether the phone is on or off. I turned off my wife's phone at bedtime one night, plugged it into the charger, confirmed that the charging icons appeared (a lightning bolt, then an animated charge meter). When I woke up, the phone was still turned off but only had 13% charge.
Whenever I plug the phone in to my Windows 7 laptop, I'm able to access the file system every time (100% of the 4-5 times I tried). The Battery settings page will say "Not Charging," but I can view and modify files using Windows Explorer without issue.
And now, for a note from my wife:
Unless my memory fails me, I think this was one morning when the charger felt warm on the adapter where it plugs in. Pretty sure this was the day I took the charger with me to work. I had the phone turned off and plugged it in and later turned it on to check the charge and it had been charging. I left it on and it continued to charge. I had to unplug it on three separate occasions and I plugged it back in and it did ultimately charge fully. But when unplugged, the battery did drain quickly, and I had not previously had a battery life issue.
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The phone will sometimes get warm--not hot, but warm--around the area under the camera when charging. (I'm guessing it's near where the battery makes contact with the phone.) The charger itself will also get warm sometimes.
Sometimes, even though the Battery section of Settings will say "Not charging," the battery would charge very, very slowly (as in, an increase of 1% charge over the course of 15-45 minutes). When plugged in, the battery would sometimes hold charge (e.g. stays level at ~45%) but not charge or discharge.
When I called Samsung support, I waited less than a minute to talk with a person, explained the situation and symptoms, and was told, yes, the phone is out of warranty (by two months, which I admit is aggravating), but I could send it in for repairs for a total charge of $70.63. That includes shipping both ways. Total repair time would be 5-7 business days. Add 2 days for shipping each way and my wife would be without a phone for 9-11 business days if we were to send it in. It's good to know that the repair are (in my opinion) reasonable because I was hoping to hold on to my phone for at least 2 years before upgrading (and I'd prefer to wait at least 3 years).
I've since got an old iPhone 3GS working on Straight Talk (which was its own ordeal) so my wife has something she can use if and when we send in the phone for repairs. (Side note: My wife really misses Swype.) She plans on backing up her data tonight so I can wipe and reload her GNex and attempt to rule out software and OS as the root cause.
In advance of wiping and reloading my wife's GNex, I had a few questions:
Do you agree with my hunch that the root cause of this issue is hardware, not software? I'd love to be wrong, but all evidence points to a hardware fault.
What ROM do you all recommend for thorough testing in this situation should I encounter the same problems with a clean Android 4.3 stock install?
Are there any other possible fixes you all could recommend before I drop 70 bucks on repairs and my phone has to tolerate the iOS on-screen keyboard for 2 more weeks?
I've had this problem once, I even changed ROMs and it never went away. I changed my charger and it still did the same thing. I don't know what fixed it, but it just started working normally again.
What caused was that I was using it and my device got really hot because I was downloading things, browsing on the internet and playing games on it all while I was charging it. My phone got really hot and a little "CLICK" sounded off and my phone just shut off. It wouldn't turn on until I removed the battery. Cooled it and charged the battery overnight. Although my phone was working now my charger was crazy.
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Okay, gonna try and explain this as best I can, bear with me.
2.5 years ago or something I got a Gnex from Verizon, brand new. The phone would act like a ghost was using it, like someone was interacting with the touchscreen. It'd randomly call contacts, send texts (random letters/numbers), all kinds of weird stuff. Video of it on day 1 HERE doing this. Took it into Verizon, got a new replacement. Never had the problem again. 2 or so years go by, not a single problem, unlocked, flash, all that, never had the problem again.
About a month ago, I upgraded to a Moto X and passed this phone on to a family member. At the time was running the latest stable Cyanogenmod ROM, the last for JB. 10.2 maybe? Anyway, that's what ROM was on it, again, no problems. Factory reset the phone to wipe my stuff, left it rooted and unlocked. I gave them the phone, battery, extended battery, and a few cases as well, no charger cause I know they'd twist up and destroy the factory cable. Setting the phone up for them battery starts going low, used their charger. Cable had shorts and crap, scavenged around looking for good charger. Get phone set up for them, and I'm done, handed off.
A day later, they're complaining that the phone is going crazy, like a ghost is using it, and it's randomly calling people, sending texts, opening menus, not charging, etc. Sounds like EXACT same issue I had with my very first Gnex that I exchanged. Figured that was really strange, maybe it was the software. Factory reset to latest factory image 4.2.2, lock BL back up, completely bone stock. Re-setup phone and all that jazz. Phone's acting fine. Decided this time that'd I'd let them have the original stock charger, thinking maybe that'd help with the charging issues too. All seems well....
However, during the reset and all, and after re-setting up the phone, battery is low.... plug it in with a known good charger of mine, but not stock original, and all the sudden the phone's freaking out again. Turn screen off, turns itself back on. Dialing people, opening apps on its own, etc. Figure maybe this Gnex just won't take any charger except it's original. Pull battery, reboot, phone's fine, fine for 10+ minutes. Plug in OEM charger this time, wait a few seconds, unplug, phone goes crazy.
Also interesting, they brought another charger of theirs with a little red LED on, plug it into wall, red LED comes on. Interestingly, if the charger is unplugged from wall with red LED off and I plug it into the phone.... the red LED on the wall charger turns on... that's not right. So.... here's where I'm at now. If I pull battery, reboot, and never attach a charger, the phone acts perfectly fine. The instant I plug in ANY charger, it'll start going wacko and continue to until I pull battery and reboot. At first I thought this was a charger issue, but now... I'm thinking it's battery related. This little experiment of getting the phone to go crazy after plugging in a charger applies to both the OEM and extended battery, regardless of what charger I use.
When I owned the phone, I almost exclusively used the OEM charger, occasionally another charger I had that I know works fine. Gave Gnex to family member WITHOUT a charger, so they were forced to use who know what condition phone charger. I'm wondering if maybe some rogue jacked up phone charger with shorts in it and crap somehow killed the extended battery. Then, they switched to the OEM battery, and again, unknowingly killed that battery too with the same crap charger. So maybe buying a new battery would fix the issue and only using the OEM charger from now on or the other one that was mine that I know works? Or maybe the phone is just broken now? It just doesn't seem right that plugging a phone into the micro-USB should turn ON the red LED on the charger when it's not plugged into the wall, like the power is coming out of phone and going into the LED...
I just refuse to believe that on the exact same day and within hours of me upgrading to a Moto X and passing on my Gnex that had worked perfectly for 2 years in my possession somehow just happens to "break" or "go bad" on its own. Thought it was software glitch/bug in CM, no. Thought it was incompatible charger, no. Maybe the batteries are bad? Maybe the phone's circuitry got jacked up too? Just seems weird that, as far as I can tell, pulling the battery and rebooting fixes it for good until the battery dies. Within 30 seconds of connecting a charger, the phone goes bonkers.
Any ideas? Feel bad, family member probably thinks I dumped a bad phone on them!
Thanks!
What kind of sorcery was that? I honestly don't know what to say about this other than bad timing? I highly doubt a ghost is possessing the phone.
I know a ghost isn't possessing the phone, I just, that's how I best described it when it was going wacko by itself. Plus, interesting topic title, maybe get a few more people to read it and maybe offer some advice or info or something :laugh:
However, I do have a ghost in my house, or a spirit or something. I've seen him, sitting on my couch before. He died in a fire, smoke inhalation, no smoke alarms in the house. House was sold, completely rebuilt, and I am first to live in it since then. Crazy story for a different forum lol
From what I can see, it's just that the screen isn't working properly because of leaked currents from the battery or the charger... Just get the whole screen replaced (it's hard to only replace the glass layer) and should be fine.
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Leaking currents, had it happen to me before from a bad charger. I doubt it's the battery, try an outlet in a different house, they may have bad power.
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So this "leaking currents" problem, it's a problem with the battery? A problem with the phone, in particular, the screen? It definitely sounds like a rogue bad charger could have done this based on the feedback so far. The "damage" or whatever happened at their house. Just the other night, they brought the chargers and phone and stuff to my house, a different house, problem persisted. So I'm not thinking it's a dirty power issue or anything.
...and so you should have the screen replaced. I've had Motorola and HTC phones with issues responding to touches when charging, and replacing the screen largely eased the problem (although I still ended up getting a new charger because I don't want it to also damage the newly replaced screen).
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Op may also want to consider relocating... ghost home and ghost phone, that's too much!
LOL
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So this "leaking currents" problem, it's a problem with the battery? A problem with the phone, in particular, the screen? It definitely sounds like a rogue bad charger could have done this based on the feedback so far. The "damage" or whatever happened at their house. Just the other night, they brought the chargers and phone and stuff to my house, a different house, problem persisted. So I'm not thinking it's a dirty power issue or anything.
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Could be the battery, could be the USB cables or chargers, could be the USB port on the device, could be the screen. The fact that it only happens when plugged in but with more than one charger and battery makes me suspect the USB port on the device. From my understanding you can buy a replacement. A temporary fix would be to use a charger that charges the battery outside of the phone.
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No ghost... i think
I think its because the charger you use....
I had the same problem, but not with gnx... before gnx I used galaxy i5801...
when I put my mobile in charge, my mobile did some crazy things, like operating itself,...I figured out that the charger I used is not the one I shouldn't use.
every mobile has a charging limits, like voltage restriction..
little difference in voltage could make big difference.
so I changed the charger. problem solved for me.
other than charger.. there are some things can do this, I don't know about all.
I doubt it may caused by your digitizer...maybe is has too much sensitivity, caused by water, dust, pressure, etc....
digitizer and display are not the same.
I faced this one too ( galaxy i5801) before charging problem, but not with gnx.
A digitizer is the part of a touch screen that senses your touch and "digitizes" your gestures into impulses that the phone can understand as commands.
if it continues my last suggestion.... call the priest
Well, I borrowed an OEM standard and extended battery from a friend, neither fixed the problem. My friend did say that similar to my first Gnex, when he first got his, it did the same exact thing, but after a while it stopped and it hasn't done it ever since. I also narrowed it down, or, widened the issue, in that it's not just AC chargers, the exact same stuff happens with a brand new 12V car charger.
Dirty power on the fifth rail of a USB wire. Its either the charger not supplying enough power or a damaged cable.
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My vote is on the screen, due to the digitiser. Replacing the touchscreen could help solve the problem. I was in your family's position when I got a used Motorola Cliq from a friend and the battery was all good, no leaks. Ghosts just started touching it everywhere like a crazed groupie when it went into my possession. No explanation as to why it happened and I didn't look into it that much but replacing the screen is the most likely solution.
Hello,
I bought a used T-Mobile HTC One M8 a couple of days ago off of eBay. While it's a cool phone, I've had a serious issue with the battery. When plugged in, the phone works fine. However, after being charged for several hours and removed from a power source, the battery will read 100%, slowly dying to around 96% or so with use, and then shut off randomly without warning only a few minutes after being taken off the charger. It won't give the normal "shutting down" message; instead, the battery will go from whatever percent it was to 0% and then the screen will go black.
From what I've seen online, the battery might be bad. s suggest that this problem results in an inflated battery. In this M8, I noticed that the left edge of the screen was almost separated from the metal bezel as if something was pushing it up from behind. This makes me think my battery might be bloated, causing the battery issue and pushing up the screen.
I have tried wiping the phone before flashing Lineage OS instead of the stock ROM, fully charging the battery up, and fully discharging the battery, but nothing so far has worked. Do you have any tricks I could try that might fix this if it is a software issue? Or does this seem like a bad battery that would have to be replaced?
If the battery is bad, the M8 doesn't make it easily removable, so I would either have to take the phone apart or send it in and possibly pay someone to replace it. The previous owner said it was working fine, but I have yet to hear his reply to my eBay message asking about the issue. He included all of the original packaging, including the original limited warranty. While the warranty is probably long expired and technically doesn't transfer over reselling a phone, do you think there is any chance that HTC or T-Mobile might be willing to fix the phone or send a different one?
Thank you for any help you can provide.
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Hello,
I bought a used T-Mobile HTC One M8 a couple of days ago off of eBay. While it's a cool phone, I've had a serious issue with the battery. When plugged in, the phone works fine. However, after being charged for several hours and removed from a power source, the battery will read 100%, slowly dying to around 96% or so with use, and then shut off randomly without warning only a few minutes after being taken off the charger. It won't give the normal "shutting down" message; instead, the battery will go from whatever percent it was to 0% and then the screen will go black.
From what I've seen online, the battery might be bad. s suggest that this problem results in an inflated battery. In this M8, I noticed that the left edge of the screen was almost separated from the metal bezel as if something was pushing it up from behind. This makes me think my battery might be bloated, causing the battery issue and pushing up the screen.
I have tried wiping the phone before flashing Lineage OS instead of the stock ROM, fully charging the battery up, and fully discharging the battery, but nothing so far has worked. Do you have any tricks I could try that might fix this if it is a software issue? Or does this seem like a bad battery that would have to be replaced?
If the battery is bad, the M8 doesn't make it easily removable, so I would either have to take the phone apart or send it in and possibly pay someone to replace it. The previous owner said it was working fine, but I have yet to hear his reply to my eBay message asking about the issue. He included all of the original packaging, including the original limited warranty. While the warranty is probably long expired and technically doesn't transfer over reselling a phone, do you think there is any chance that HTC or T-Mobile might be willing to fix the phone or send a different one?
Thank you for any help you can provide.
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Flash t mobile RUU (software problems will slove with this ) . If the issue still there ,then it must be a hardware issue i.e faulty battery or some other.
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The battery in my M8 is really weak now, and as of maybe 6-9 months ago the phone is not tracking the battery level well. When the phone is idle, it powers off at 20-30% indicated charge remaining, with games active, maybe it will power off at 45%. I get 1 hour PoGo from a _full_ charge.
Previously, I've experienced the phone getting hot when charging (mainly in the car) and this has probably had a serious impact on the battery capacity. Assuming the phone you have is over a year old, you should assume the battery is badly aged by now.
my adorable M8 in his third year of use recently has the same symptoms of @tshoulihane. Is necessary to say that I've took so much care in his first 2 years like disconnecting the battery after few minutes of reaching the 100% (also voiding to charge all the night) or turning off the phone at 10% and I never be waited for the auto turn off at 0%. All this that I'm telling you is in the first 2 years. In this third year of using the m8 as my main phone, I received this bad symptoms doing the opposite of the first years of care. Now I just connect powerbank or something at 30% to void awkwards sudden death of battery. Mmm I have plans to keep 1 year more my m8 with me, it still a beast in camera, sound and no lag, so I'm looking for a battery replacement im Amazon but the reviews are bad, I think is very difficult to get a good *new* battery because that replacements get old too with the years of storage... mmm I don't know but this was my little story with my battery experience with M8. Regards guys.