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[Q] setvsel cpu damage

hey guys, just wondering will using a lower vsel damage my cpu and/or battery?
i have previously beein using milestone overclock on 1ghz and 60 vsel and am adding setvsel into the mix, also any ideas on starter settings? thanks
also could someone just give me a heads up on what vsel actually IS

I don't believe there are any studies that show effects of long term use of lowering the voltage, which is what you are doing with vsel in order to save battery juice...or you could increase the voltage but that defeats the purpose and also heats up the battery which leads to shorter life span. Many use it without reporting any damage to battery or cpu, I believe it's safe (however, if you are overheating you might fry the battery or cpu, so you'll need to moniter and play with settings to get the desired effect without any overheating issues).
With regards to setvsel, there are reported issues from users with different roms...from what I've read (and you can do your own research to see if this is what you are seeing...this is the conclusion that I've come to by reading a lot of threads), it is better to use milestone to overclock and setcpu to lower the vsel.
With that being said, I've used them all and like setvsel so keep going back to it...but I've been having some issues lately so I've removed setvsel to see if that is what is causing some problems (too early to tell).
Oh, and as for settings...pop on the overclocking/undervolting thread in the development section to see a lot of different settings and remember that what works for one user might not work for you...you'll have to experiment a bit to find your ideal setting.

oh okay i think i might go back to my old settings with milestone overclock and setcpu and just lower the vsel! i was under the impression for some reason that lowering the vsel would heat the battery. Thanks!

I'm no expert to be honest, I'm more of a research kinda person. From what I've researched, undervolting can help keep temps down, and may particularly help when you overclock (as overclocking is stressing the cpu to go beyond it's normal operating design hence it may heat up...supplying it with less power, or voltage, is what helps keep the temps down.
Of course, this is given you find the optimal setting for your phone, and as it seems from reading through these forums, many users have experienced completely different results using the same settings (i.e., one user will have a stable setting without any problems while another user on the same rom using the same settings will have crashes and/or issues like overheating). Doesn't seem right, but it is what it is

yeah ive read through most of that stuff too, i went down to 1ghz at 51 vsel, seeming stable, but i decided to go with 54 anyway

1.1 GHz @ Stock vsel for over a month without any issues...I hope it lasts.
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Hi,
I've also read a lot regarding the underclocking 'dangers' but couldn't find anything to prove that there is such an issue. I think that it is an urban myth spread everywhere by people asking if there is a danger with low vsel [but that are never getting a positive answer on it].
The only thing I found using setvSel is that I had to first install Milestone Overclock and load its module prior to start setvsel. There is a way around it, but requires you to copy files in the system folders and change their permissions. I find that my way is much easier.
As far as over-heating goes, it's an overclocking thing; not underclocking.
My Defy is set at 900Mhz and really, I don't see the point of going much higher: everything runs smooth and lag free already.
vsel: 21/300; 32/600; 43/900 - 90% up_threshold
Been like that for about a month now and never experienced any problem at all.
The underclocking is great for saving battery; no exact numbers to give here but it feels like my battery now last 2 times longer. I can easily get 4 days between charges with low/moderate usage and would get to 6+ days "IF" I could stay away from games and having the screen ON for long sessions of browsing/video watching.
I tried SetCpu before but I didn't like the interface; the simplicity of SetvSel is really nice.

i use setcpu for scaling and profiles, and run 18/300, 36/600, 50/1000 stable and smooth as

Undervolting is not a bad thing at all. It means less Watts consumed for running (Watts = Voltage x Amperage), less of your battery consumed.
Ussually companies test a large batch of components and how they react on different voltages and freqvencies, and then they decide for a voltage that works with all components and that is safe for all cases. Eg. when they have different CPU speeds and thus different options for CPU's this is one way to decide which one work at 3GHz and which one at 2.7 GHz (the other one is demand for components).
Phisically you will not have any problems and you can't damage your phone by undervolting, so no problem here, only possible software problems if you go too low.
Advantages :
+ Lower processor temperature
+ Lower phone temperature
+ Longer battery time
+ Longer components life
Disadvantages
- Stability issues (freeze, artefacts, slowness)

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Disadvantages
- Stability issues (freeze, artefacts, slowness)
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You know, I was recording a video and when playing back noticed that there were squiggly lines that went through the video a couple of times (in a two minute clip). This was the first time I saw this...and have recently lowered vsel by 2 on vsel3...could that be the artifacts that you are mentioning?
I just figured it perhaps I was too bouncy with the phone while recording making it glitch...but now that I see this post I'm thinking maybe I undervolted too much...what do you think?
My settings: 54/1000 44/700 28/300

I know what people mean by same settings don't work for every phone even if it's the exact same model. My Defy won't underclock as much as others. I'm using SetVesel, and I've been able to drop 5 points from each, and that's about it before it reboots itself. I only tested undervolting, but I mainly overclock to get as much speed as I can, and give it enough juice to run super fast. I'm current running [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Threshold at 75%. The highest the temp ever got was 112F, and that was after playing a game for about an hour. Usually it stays below 90F for normal use. I get around 17-20 hours out of it with screen on time at about 3 hours @ 50% brightness. I've been running these settings about a month, and have not had any issues.

If you put something like 100vsel will the phone accept and then burn? Is there any protection? Does anyone know what's the highest acceptable vsel?
Just for curiosity...

im pretty sure 80 is the highest you should EVER use and that'll significantly increase the chances of your phone burning out. @bobbyphoenix you should be able to lower your vsels a fair bit or your really unlucky! i run a lower vsel for 1ghz than u do for 700mhz smooth and stable

stewi21 said:
im pretty sure 80 is the highest you should EVER use and that'll significantly increase the chances of your phone burning out. @bobbyphoenix you should be able to lower your vsels a fair bit or your really unlucky! i run a lower vsel for 1ghz than u do for 700mhz smooth and stable
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CM7, rather non-technical person here. I seem to have a very happy phone at setvsel settings of [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], 86%. Been running this for the month or so since I rooted and the phone feels like it was made for this config. I've never seen the temp above ~32c. My 2¢.

How to undervolt and get better battery life. Please post your results and how to.

Hey all, this is a thread I saw on different forum and think it is would be good for noobs like myself to benefit from. How to undervolt your CPU and also post your Galaxy Note 2 specific results. I have tried these next steps, and so far I'm doing okay (can't give an accurate results on battery life yet). Like I said (I'm not ashamed to say I'm a noob) but if others can throw their two cents in, we can all learn and this thread can be useful. The next part was cut and paste d from other forum. And I deleted the url for the kernel and root
Prerequisites:
1. Must be rooted and recommended kernel
2. Download and install System Tuner
3. Download and install Stability Test
Steps:
1. Open System Tuner and select CPU
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2. Drag the slider shown in the picture to overclock or underclock CPU. In this picture we are overclocking to 1.8ghz
3. Select Voltage at the top to get to CPU voltage settings.
4. Ok, here select the buttons as they are in the picture.
a. Select the Green circled button to save current stock default settings.
b. Select the Yellow circled button 4 times exactly to reduce the millivolts by 100.
Stability Testing:
Now we really should make sure that it can handle it under load right? :silly:
1. Open Stability Test and select CPU+GPU Stability Test.
2. Select Full Details - Proceed.
3. The app will now start stressing your cores. I waited until at least 10 cpu passes before quiting the app...
Cliffnotes:
-By default, your settings will revert back after you restart your phone. You can set them to load at boot, but don't do this unless your absolutely sure that they're stable!
Open System Tuner - CPU - Menu key - Settings - Active Tweaks - Reapply CPU Settings - On Boot Completed
-Whenever i tried to lower the mv more than 100 below stock at 1.8ghz, my phone rebooted
-I am in no way responsible for anything that might happen after performing the above, even if you start your sentence with the word "but"
-here's stock settings in case you need to revert
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This is an interesting project but I would think that the average user would not need this as battery life is pretty good. Speaking for myself, I am able to get through the whole day without any issues.
Of course there might be other reasons why someone would want to do this.
Doc

Thanks
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DocEsq said:
This is an interesting project but I would think that the average user would not need this as battery life is pretty good. Speaking for myself, I am able to get through the whole day without any issues.
Of course there might be other reasons why someone would want to do this.
Doc
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from what i've read, undervolting save very little battery time as the processors are pretty efficient anyways. i don't have actual numbers, but i'd guess you'd get a few extra minutes - which some may really need.
it's that freaking gargantuan screen that sucks the most juice. there used to be a mod to undervolt displays. they had it working on an OG galaxy tab. i never really seen it used anywhere else.

I have an international version of galaxy note 2. I'm currently using AllianceROM and Perseus kernel. And my stock voltage is way way higher than yours. Like 1400mV mine, 913mV yours. Can I undervolt my note 2 to same specifications like yours? Thanks.

This is interesting but setcpu when I had it on my last phone worked awesome and was very easy to use.
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rjisanandres said:
I have an international version of galaxy note 2. I'm currently using AllianceROM and Perseus kernel. And my stock voltage is way way higher than yours. Like 1400mV mine, 913mV yours. Can I undervolt my note 2 to same specifications like yours? Thanks.
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You is 1400 mV on 200 MHz? It's probabky 1400 on 1.6 ghz.
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I also have Perseus kernel overclocked but still have great battery life. Thanks for the tip though might try it and compare the difference just in case.

I agree with DocEsq.. It is interesting indeed, but is it really necessary?
Can you overclock it?

My note 2 seems to be charging forever after undervolting. I'm talking for about 6-7hrs charging time here. What seems to be the problem? I'm using Perseus kernel. TIA!
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I once conducted a test with my evo3d. I basically ran an amp meter inline with the battery. Measuring the exact power consumption. I dont remember the exact specs, but undervolting and underclocking my phone compared to stock made a very minute difference in actual power consumption. A difference of about 8-15ma. This was during a CPU full load scenario for about 10 seconds. Even loading the CPU with the screen off to take as many variables out as possible it was very little difference. During normal operarion the power consumed was virtually identical.
So the 2 to 3% of the day (overall time) your phone is actually under HEAVY load, it won't make much difference. It did make a performance impact. So not much benefit, just reduced performance.
Now overclocking and/or overvolting did make a larger difference in consumption at high constant load.
Want to ACTUALLY make a large impact on your battery life? Make sure you don't have any apps preventing your phone from sleeping and run the absolute lowest screen brightness you can stand.
YMMV.
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The benefit I found from undervolting isn't better battery life, it's reduced heat which in heavy use provides better performance due to no cpu throttling. I'm running 1800mhz using less battery than 1600mhz and with same temps as stock. Very stable, been running this for a month now at least.

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The benefit I found from undervolting isn't better battery life, it's reduced heat which in heavy use provides better performance due to no cpu throttling. I'm running 1800mhz using less battery than 1600mhz and with same temps as stock. Very stable, been running this for a month now at least.
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What app did you use to undervolt?
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What app did you use to undervolt?
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I'm using the stweaks app that comes with perseus kernel.. I've undervolted quite a bit and I get better battery life.. Still not quite as good as I had stock, but definitely a lot better for being over clocked.. I just reduce each level to the level below it and run for a few to check stability and keep going from there.. So far I have had no trouble at all with undervolting.. Certainly nothing like I did with my elte.. Here's where I've been for almost a week as well as today's battery results so far with Pandora playing over 3 hours straight and moderate use..
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Yeah, just to let you know that there certainly isn't a linear correlation between undervolting and underclocking and power usage. That might have been the case in simpler times, but with modern multi-core microprocessors, you might actually be decreasing battery life by screwing with your clock rate or voltage. Yes, the defaults err on the side of caution, but it's a whole lot of work for little to no gain.
For example, by reducing your phone's clock rate, you might actually be forcing your phone to be spending more time at load; thereby not allowing it to fallback to its sleep state. There is also something called the power wall, where an increase in operating frequency requires an exponential increase in power. However, the reverse is also true. It can be counter-intuitive to think of it this way, so a practical example is how on a 100 mile trip, a 25 mpg sedan saves 4 gallons of gasoline over a 12.5 mpg SUV. However, over the same distance a 50 mpg hybrid saves only 2 gallons over the 25 mpg car. By that same logic, a mythical 100 mpg vehicle would only save 1 gallon of fuel. It's the law of diminishing returns. Then of course, there are the stability issues that you should take into account.
There is a lot that happens behind the scenes regarding power management. Your phone is capable of intelligently scaling it's processors, voltages, and frequencies up or down all based on current and expected demand. There are people who spend a lot more time doing this for a living, and the idea that you can do it better is probably a falsehood. If you want MOAR POWER, by all means overclock/overvolt it (just don't fry it), but trying to get an extra couple minutes of run time is likely a waste of some hard work. It's the software that kills your battery, not the hardware.
Talking about computer architecture can be complicated and boring, but start with searches on "rise time" and "logic level transitions" if you want to want more background.

Action B said:
The benefit I found from undervolting isn't better battery life, it's reduced heat which in heavy use provides better performance due to no cpu throttling. I'm running 1800mhz using less battery than 1600mhz and with same temps as stock. Very stable, been running this for a month now at least.
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Interesting... whenever I'm dling using a torrent client my phone gets a nasty fever and I've gotta set it down somewhere as it will literally make me sweat, lol. I do b there think I'll be undervolting just for that specific circumstance but that is a very interesting concept...
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Yeah, just to let you know that there certainly isn't a linear correlation between undervolting and underclocking and power usage. That might have been the case in simpler times, but with modern multi-core microprocessors, you might actually be decreasing battery life by screwing with your clock rate or voltage. Yes, the defaults err on the side of caution, but it's a whole lot of work for little to no gain.
For example, by reducing your phone's clock rate, you might actually be forcing your phone to be spending more time at load; thereby not allowing it to fallback to its sleep state. There is also something called the power wall, where an increase in operating frequency requires an exponential increase in power. However, the reverse is also true. It can be counter-intuitive to think of it this way, so a practical example is how on a 100 mile trip, a 25 mpg sedan saves 4 gallons of gasoline over a 12.5 mpg SUV. However, over the same distance a 50 mpg hybrid saves only 2 gallons over the 25 mpg car. By that same logic, a mythical 100 mpg vehicle would only save 1 gallon of fuel. It's the law of diminishing returns. Then of course, there are the stability issues that you should take into account.
There is a lot that happens behind the scenes regarding power management. Your phone is capable of intelligently scaling it's processors, voltages, and frequencies up or down all based on current and expected demand. There are people who spend a lot more time doing this for a living, and the idea that you can do it better is probably a falsehood. If you want MOAR POWER, by all means overclock/overvolt it (just don't fry it), but trying to get an extra couple minutes of run time is likely a waste of some hard work. It's the software that kills your battery, not the hardware.
Talking about computer architecture can be complicated and boring, but start with searches on "rise time" and "logic level transitions" if you want to want more background.
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Like the way you put that. Good analogies there it just seems like the other day that undervolting was the hip thing to do. Technology just moves at such a wonderful pace though. Just one little FYI though, since i do like you analogy i would like to point out that the law of diminishing returns actually refers to something else entirely. I know, I know, nitpicking, but it's just that everyone is always off the mark with that one and, well I guess I'm just an anal ahole (and an economics major, ,which I guess just overall makes me an a hole, ,lol)

If you have ever pulled apart a laptop and saw how much thermal paste the engineers at the factory "designed" for their to be on there, or seen the air/fuel ratio most cars roll off the lot with, or ever replaced an intake in a vehicle with a high performance unit I'm not sure you would feel the same way about you yourself not being to do a better job.
I get the point, and I believe often there is validity to that point, but sometime things just aren't that simple. This is where power gains come from in tuning a car (which i do). This is where efficiency is raised by removing restrictive components in a vehicle (intake, exhaust, etc) and where cooling performance is increased on a CPU with the proper application of a quality thermal paste.
Whenever time is money, and you are deciding between your bottom line and something that works and something that works as well as it can, shortcuts are made and corners are cut. Perhaps they could have spent another 200 hours for the team to absolutely optimize the processor for each device, but the cost would have been an additional $20,000 dollars. This is not always the case, but with processors I think it is. I will undervolt everytime and I do take objective measures for battery and I agree gains are relatively small. For cooling, I found the difference to be very significant at 1800, mhzI didn't check at 1600mhz, however. I can run a full Antutu benchmark as much as I want at room temperature and never exceed the throttling point (70 C if i remember correctly). Now, I am in no way saying these are facts, these are opinions, so I could be wrong of course.
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Interesting... whenever I'm dling using a torrent client my phone gets a nasty fever and I've gotta set it down somewhere as it will literally make me sweat, lol. I do b there think I'll be undervolting just for that specific circumstance but that is a very interesting concept...
Like the way you put that. Good analogies there it just seems like the other day that undervolting was the hip thing to do. Technology just moves at such a wonderful pace though. Just one little FYI though, since i do like you analogy i would like to point out that the law of diminishing returns actually refers to something else entirely. I know, I know, nitpicking, but it's just that everyone is always off the mark with that one and, well I guess I'm just an anal ahole (and an economics major, ,which I guess just overall makes me an a hole, ,lol)
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The TIM wasn't put on there by the engineers who designed the chips; they are put there by workers being paid next to nothing.
Your phone doesn't have a CPU, it doesn't even use thermal paste; it's usually just a rubber contact patch and passive heat dissipation. This actually brings another point where overclocking can sometimes reduce performance due to throttling by thermal constraints (why our phone has such a low GPU rate than what it is capable of in other phones with better thermal envelopes).
You aren't replacing the SoC, you are changing the software that determines how to set the voltage/clock multiplier. The car analogy isn't valid.
And I stand corrected regarding the Law of Diminishing Returns; never paid attention in macro-econ. I think was because my prof. was more interested in forcing his political ideology upon us than actually teaching the subject. :silly:
EDIT: Keep in mind, the engineers rarely get what they want. The product the consumer ends up getting is usually dictated through a collaboration of what the business and marketing teams want. The engineer might request a large cooler clamp with a perfectly lapped surface and a carbon-based TIM. In reality, the consumer gets a dinky fan with melt-on TIM and retention springs. Money talks.

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The TIM wasn't put on there by the engineers who designed the chips; they are put there by workers being paid next to nothing.
Your phone doesn't have a CPU, it doesn't even use thermal paste; it's usually just a rubber contact patch and passive heat dissipation. This actually brings another point where overclocking can sometimes reduce performance due to throttling by thermal constraints (why our phone has such a low GPU rate than what it is capable of in other phones with better thermal envelopes).
You aren't replacing the SoC, you are changing the software that determines how to set the voltage/clock multiplier. The car analogy isn't valid.
And I stand corrected regarding the Law of Diminishing Returns; never paid attention in macro-econ. I think was because my prof. was more interested in forcing his political ideology upon us than actually teaching the subject. :silly:
EDIT: Keep in mind, the engineers rarely get what they want. The product the consumer ends up getting is usually dictated through a collaboration of what the business and marketing teams want. The engineer might request a large cooler clamp with a perfectly lapped surface and a carbon-based TIM. In reality, the consumer gets a dinky fan with melt-on TIM and retention springs. Money talks.
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1. The voltages are set by an engineer, that is what I was referring to.
2. The CPU thing was an analogy as was the car. Not a direct comparison. The analogy is referring to how there is set fuel and timing tables just like there is set voltage tables, both might not be the most efficient from the factory, tweaking them can improve things. How is this completely not valid?

Solution to reduce thermal throttling on Nexus 5X?

Is there a way to reduce it? My phone slows to the pace of a sloth far too frequently and it seems correlated with temp.
I'm assuming that's the cause because when I look at the CPUs in CPUz the last two go down to 633MHz when things are getting slow. Also seems worse with a case but could be my confirmation bias. This is particularly apparent with the camera, Maps, and when coming out of doze.
Is there a more conclusive way to figure out what is causing my Nexus 5X's occasionally brutal performance?
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Well, what exactly are you doing with your phone that's causing it to throttle itself? I think with a stock kernel the phone begins to throttle and eventually shut off the Big cluster at 36 or 37 degrees Celsius (someone correct me if I'm wrong). If you flashed a custom kernel, most here have had that limit raised to 46C.
Last weekend I used my phone quite a bit for strenuous tasks including Navigation, Google Maps, lots and lots of pictures and 1080P video. The phone got noticeably warmer, but when I checked my kernel management app, the CPU temperature wasn't even close to the throttle temperature. Unless you're gaming or constantly benchmarking your phone this really shouldn't be a problem. Especially when coming out of Doze. The phone doesn't immediately enter Doze, it waits a while and there are factors that play into its decision to even enter doze in the first place (like laying on a flat surface for X amount of time). So when a phone is exiting Doze because of your input (turning the screen on) the CPU should be quite cool (maybe 22+ degrees). There's no thermal throttling there. The Big cluster shuts off when the screen is off for the sake of battery life, so maybe the lag that you're experiencing stems from the lack of the Big cluster being on for the first second or so when waking the phone back up.
I'll agree that the SD808 isn't a stellar chip; maybe even embarrassing. It's not blisteringly fast, but it certainly isn't slow. There are ways to speed up performance and improve battery life at the same time, which I'm sure you'd appreciate. Unfortunately you have not specified if you're running a custom ROM or kernel, so that's pretty much all the advice and information I can give you right now. But, if you're currently running stock, I'd highly recommend you unlock your bootloader and try out some of the custom (and more lightweight) ROMs that this community has to offer as well as some great kernels. That should make a noticeable difference right off the bat. Then you can dive into the nitty gritty details of tweaking and whatnot if you desire. Check out the links in my signature as a starting point. If you're looking for optimization and speed (like I do) then you'll be impressed.

Thanks for your reply.
I switched to ElementalX about a week ago and it may be a bit better now but it's hard to tell. I've also been using a spigen slim case, maybe that is causing heat to accumulate too.
I don't game. My usage is Maps, Facebook, Snapchat, camera, chrome, hangouts, Spotify, and textra.
I use greenify and amplify as well on xposed. Disabling xposed doesn't seem to make a difference.
Can you confirm that ElementalX throttles at 46C and stock at 36C?
I'm interested in your recommendations. When running geekbench it takes about 9 minutes for things to really slow down.
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If you search the ElementalX thread you can see that the developer, Flar2, was getting very frustrated with the thermal throttling on this device (others were too, as well). You can read through the progression and, eventually, the decision to apply a "thermal fix" or raise the thermal throttling limit. The threshold is 46C now. Confirmed. The stock thermal throttle threshold is 10 degrees less than that from what I've read. I also remember reading that Franco did a fair amount of research into the throttling issue and found that the CPU was capable of going over 50C with no issues (but aren't recommended), so the limit in place now by the ElementalX kernel is a safe one that shouldn't be exceeded. He probably didn't make it any higher so he wouldn't be found liable by any users if they overheat or damage their phones.
I have no experience with xposed and everytime there's a compatibility issue, hard reboots, etc. it's always because of Xposed. So.. Yeah.
I also do not use any tweaking apps that supposedly save battery or whatever. I let the operating system take care of that. I do use the L-Speed app (again, in my signature) to disable certain things like debug logs and what not to speed things up slightly. Again, I highly recommend trying Ubermallow and Phasma Kernel as those have been my choice, after trying many others, for some time now. Also, I'd look into the interactive governor tweaks after you've settled on a ROM and kernel combination that you like. That's where you can fine tune the way the CPU governor on the phone behaves and can really make a difference in battery life and fluidity of the device.
Lastly, a case can make a difference with cooling but I've never really found it to be an issue. Maybe I'm just not hard on my phone enough.

ryanwalexander said:
Is there a way to reduce it? My phone slows to the pace of a sloth far too frequently and it seems correlated with temp.
I'm assuming that's the cause because when I look at the CPUs in CPUz the last two go down to 633MHz when things are getting slow. Also seems worse with a case but could be my confirmation bias. This is particularly apparent with the camera, Maps, and when coming out of doze.
Is there a more conclusive way to figure out what is causing my Nexus 5X's occasionally brutal performance?
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A member on the 6p forum came up with a hard mod that does this with a special thermal paste better then stock . Requires tearing apart the device though ...so its risky but his results looked promising
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Google just agreed to take back my device so I only have a few days to try things and make my decision on whether to keep the phone or not.
Thank you for your thoughtful responses and suggestions.
Since I started using the phone outside of the case it actually seems much better.
Regarding the extreme slowness coming out of doze, it only occurs when in doze for a long time. Presumably because the phone tries to catch up on all the sync activity that's been paused for the last 12h or so.
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I think I'll try your suggestions and remove greenify, amplify, and xposed to see if things improve. I do agree that the system should be managing those things.
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Yeah, give it a few days. There are many ways to combat the throttling. Got my phone to 41C today while using it out in the sun. The Big cluster is limited to 633MHz at 36C and shut off at 41CC. The 46C built into the kernel is most likely for the LITTLE cluster to start getting throttled. Check the attached pics below.

Thanks. Btw what ROM and app is that?
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ryanwalexander said:
Thanks. Btw what ROM and app is that?
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ROM and Kernel are in my signature. The app for managing the kernel is Elementalx Kernel Manager and the app to add CPU usage overlays and stuff is called Trepn Profiler.

Sounds like the opposite to me, the phone might be slow because of software on the device not playing nice which causes the SoC to work over time (normal computing + rogue app computing) and can cause the device to over heat and throttle.
There's no reason the device should be slow after a period of doze. That tells me the device is having software caused slowdowns that are not related to thermal throttling.
It takes roughly 12 minutes of 100% sustained load (only synthetic benchmarks) to throttle the 2x A57 cluster, and I've never seen the 4x A53 cluster throttle under any conditions including hours of heavy gaming they stay at 1.4Ghz at all times.

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Sounds like the opposite to me, the phone might be slow because of software on the device not playing nice which causes the SoC to work over time (normal computing + rogue app computing) and can cause the device to over heat and throttle.
There's no reason the device should be slow after a period of doze. That tells me the device is having software caused slowdowns that are not related to thermal throttling.
It takes roughly 12 minutes of 100% sustained load (only synthetic benchmarks) to throttle the 2x A57 cluster, and I've never seen the 4x A53 cluster throttle under any conditions including hours of heavy gaming they stay at 1.4Ghz at all times.
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Yesterday I was using GPS to drive and Spotify was streaming. The phone got really hot and unresponsive and Spotify began to stutter. Was unable to even launch textra to text someone.
This of course only started maybe 10m into the drive. The phone is fine while cold.
Maybe I have a defective device but my benchmark stress tests give similar results to other people.
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Yesterday I was using GPS to drive and Spotify was streaming. The phone got really hot and unresponsive and Spotify began to stutter. Was unable to even launch textra to text someone.
This of course only started maybe 10m into the drive. The phone is fine while cold.
Maybe I have a defective device but my benchmark stress tests give similar results to other people.
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this is consistent with my experience. GPS and spotify (actually almost any app used concurrently with spotify) will cause the phone to have horrible lag.
also, don't text and drive

Interestingly, today when the phone was on battery saver it seemed much faster. Maybe more throttling could help things more than less?
Of course not exactly faster, but more consistent and no unbearable lagging.

Yesterday I flashed the stock firmware files other than user data. Unfortunately I lost root and it seems like I now need to reformat data to get TWRP going again but until then I'm fully stock. Does anyone know a way around that?
I haven't done enough testing to be sure but things seem to be running more smoothly for now than they did with root and ElementalX 1.06. However just writing this i can feel the phone heating up and becoming less responsive. The bottom 2 cores are offline with SoC at 36C and CPU at 56C when I switch to devcheck to check. Other 4 cores at 1440MHz.

ideaman924 said:
I've been having issues with thermal as well. Installed ElementalX along with the governer tweaks GhostPepper profile. When charging (this makes the device really hot) music begins to stutter, coming out of Viper4Android.
When not charging, slow accumulation of heat makes music stutter, same software used. Go figure. Maybe V4A is too demanding on the 808 chip, but I fear if this doesn't cut it, then I'll have to switch phones the next chance I get.
Oddly, this happens when screen is off - the music stutterings. I've thought about Doze and battery saving apps, and have disabled Doze for V4A through the battery optimize pane.
The phone constantly loses battery, around 2~5% an hour, I know thats not too much but my previous phone lost about 1% every three hours. This was a Note 3 Neo by the way. Installing Xposed and Amplify, Greenify and PowerNap should help, but I've had stability issues when using xposed. Maybe later.
Oh, and one last thing. My phone's thermal limit is set to 55 degrees Celsius, but it still feels like it throttles at around 39 or so. Maybe EX Kernel Manager isn't saving the changes, but either way... It throttles too much!
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That could be because of the custom software and CPU tweaks or your V4A installation. Using those settings always has the potential to cause issues and I would troubleshoot there first.
Minimum CPU performance with stock settings is 4x A53 cores at 1.44Ghz which is still fast. If you've ever use one of the more recent Moto G devices you'd know it doesn't stutter playing music when it's cold and neither does this device when it's hot.
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Setting the throttling temp limit to high will decrease performance, see here for details:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/thermal-throttling-temp-performance-test-t3388559

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Yeah, give it a few days. There are many ways to combat the throttling. Got my phone to 41C today while using it out in the sun. The Big cluster is limited to 633MHz at 36C and shut off at 41CC. The 46C built into the kernel is most likely for the LITTLE cluster to start getting throttled. Check the attached pics below.
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Is this based on battery temperature or cpu temperature?

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Is this based on battery temperature or cpu temperature?
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CPU temperature but I beleive the phone also has ways of combating high battery temps as well.

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CPU temperature but I beleive the phone also has ways of combating high battery temps as well.
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If its cpu temp then no wonder it's always throttling the cpu is nearly always above 40°c.
What do you mean ''combating''?
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is there something wrong with my Note 4?

Attached below is a picture of my Hardware activity while playing Power Rangers Legacy Wars which admittedly is a graphically intense games but I'm worried that the temperature of the GPU and or CPU is getting too high. I want to make sure my Note 4 isn't getting too hot here is the picture:

I need somebody's help. The coolest my Note 4 seems to get is about 53 degrees C and that's when I turn it on after it's been asleep on my desk. It is not a rogue app or anything like that because I have done both Factory resets and I have install custom roms, so everything has been factory reset multiple times. The water damage sticker indicates no water damage whatsoever. I know phones can get hot when gaming, my Note 4 gets to anywhere between 70 to 85 degrees Celsius and I am just wondering if that's normal I reduced my screen resolution to 720P and disabled two cores of the quad core processor and it does not seem to help one bit. Is this temperature normal or do I need to get rid of the phone?
PS when doing normal browsing it seems to hover around 60 to 67 degrees C
And the battery does not seem to go over 37 degrees Celsius

If you're worried about high temps during games I'd recommend turning the max GPU frequency down. It significantly reduced my temps and I didn't notice a significant difference in gameplay.

Thank you for your response. I have done that and it does not seem to make a difference I'm still getting CPU and GPU temperatures in the high 70s to low 80s

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Thank you for your response. I have done that and it does not seem to make a difference I'm still getting CPU and GPU temperatures in the high 70s to low 80s
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Would you mind posting a screenshot as above with the same overlay? How long are you playing before it gets to this point? Have you adjusted throttling temperatures?
Edit: Saw your other post and wanted to add some troubleshooting. When you open up TWRP and do a file transfer or backup how hot does your phone get? Mine would get pretty hot to the touch, but I don't remember it getting above 80 C.....
The temps you showed in the other thread are definitely not "normal" from my experience with day-to-day use. Did you ever look at the task monitor app I linked to?

Sure I can take another screenshot. How do you want it? I did check out that app and the only thing that I saw was that it seems as though my CPU cores were always running pretty high but I didn't see any applications taking up and unusual amount of processing power. The temperature ranges to about 60 as soon as I open a game for the most part and continues to slowly rise from there. Yes that's about the temperature I get everytime I go into TWRP. I don't even have to be doing anything I'm just open TWRP work and that's about the temperature I get

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Sure I can take another screenshot. How do you want it? I did check out that app and the only thing that I saw was that it seems as though my CPU cores were always running pretty high but I didn't see any applications taking up and unusual amount of processing power. The temperature ranges to about 60 as soon as I open a game for the most part and continues to slowly rise from there. Yes that's about the temperature I get everytime I go into TWRP. I don't even have to be doing anything I'm just open TWRP work and that's about the temperature I get
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Sorry, I posted that before I noticed your updated screenshot. I was just curious if limiting the GPU made any difference.
Honestly I'm running out of software suggestions. Do you have some sort of case/screen protector that could be affecting it? How hot us your screen (qualitatively)? I just looked at an old video I made and my phone was 52 C in TWRP, which isn't too far off from yours so it might be fine (as I said my phone screen would get too hot to touch at times during intense games). But if you look at kernel adiutor and see that the CPU rarely drops to the lowest frequency/deep sleep there's probably something wrong (unless your screen is constantly on). You could try a different kernel or governor, or check an app like gsm battery monitor to see if GPS or something us hogging CPU time, but I don't really have any more ideas. (Although I did used to cool off my screen with a wet towel when it got really hot)
Just to confirm: you're running a Verizon note 4 right? (Have to ask)
You've updated the modem to the correct version through Odin?
You're on the proper bootloader?

First of all thank you for your help once again. I don't know how to measure how hot my screen gets I don't have any tools that would allow me to do that I do have a case and screen protector on but it doesn't seem to be any worse than it was before I put them on. Yes I am on the correct bootloader and I do have a Verizon Note 4 running the nseven ROM and I am on the correct modem. I'm willing to do anything at this point. This is the second note 4 I've had with this issue and I just want to be able to use it. I want to be able to play my games and stuff you know. So if there's a literally anything I can do . plus I don't really have money for a replacement

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First of all thank you for your help once again. I don't know how to measure how hot my screen gets I don't have any tools that would allow me to do that I do have a case and screen protector on but it doesn't seem to be any worse than it was before I put them on. Yes I am on the correct bootloader and I do have a Verizon Note 4 running the nseven ROM and I am on the correct modem. I'm willing to do anything at this point. This is the second note 4 I've had with this issue and I just want to be able to use it. I want to be able to play my games and stuff you know. So if there's a literally anything I can do . plus I don't really have money for a replacement
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I found this: https://forums.androidcentral.com/s...bout-cpu-temperatures-according-cpu-z-s6.html
Which shows some pretty high temperatures during heavy and normal loads for a G4 and some other forum discussing how their note 4 would reboot due to overheating. Since you're not experiencing that issue I'm not sure you need to worry too much. Your processor should be throttling itself if it's getting to hot to make sure it doesn't get damaged. I'd try to make sure that you limit your gpu to around 300 and then just make sure your CPU isn't overclocked and you will probably be fine. My note 4 would get so hot that I couldn't touch the screen, but it still ran like a champ and never rebooted on me. The only thing that is concerning is that your CPU clock specs aren't sticking, but you'll need to read around for how to fix that since I've never had an issue.

Okay well that makes me feel a whole lot better thank you. According to GSMArena the processor speed of the Note 4 is 2.7 gigahertz and mine is currently running at 2.4 so while it is a little upsetting that I can't bring it down any further, at least I know again according to GSMArena that my processor is not overclocked. Thank you for everything

Fix Exynos 990 battery drain and Overheating Issues -[ It works ]

I have the exynos 990 version of the S20 FE and as we all know, the 990 is a little bit of a hot mess. However it has quite a lot to give if limited correctly.I'm running One UI 3.1 on android 11. I rooted my FE with magisk and installed Franco kernel manager. The steps below will give you good battery life and performance.
Step 1: Straight up disable the M5 mongoose cores. They are Samsung's biggest undoing.
Step2 : Limit all clock speed to 2Ghz. Trust me, the IPC on the 990 is really damn good and you don't need to worry about performance loss. Forget the benchmarks, everything just works. Getting the last 2.7ghz or 2.5ghz usually requires a significant voltage bump and you mostly wont need the speed.
Step3 : The GPU is actually just fine as is. Try to set the max clock to 370mhz, which sounds ridiculously low, but the 990's GPU was made for 1440p screens, so the UI still remains smooth even at 120Hz. I played Riptide Renegade with this setting and it was very smooth as well. You can play with this number according to how much you game, I, for the most part, don't.
My hypothesis, based on my usage of about 2 months (yeah, i rooted this bad boi about a week from purchase, screw warranty, i'm gonna be alone for life :-( ) is given below >>>>>>
Thermal throttling seems to be due to the M5 cores clocking up like crazy while doing basically nothing. This is probably mostly because Samsung uses their own "energy_step" CPU governor which still needs some work. You can try changing this to schedutil ( which is basically EAS ) and see how it fares. The GPU also ends up underclocking because the GPU has a " joint " governor ( basically ramps up and down with CPU speed to some extent, not entirely sure about this, i may be completely wrong).
I have also have put a battery charge limiter in place at 90% but that doesn't really make a difference. I use my phone quite heavily and at 120Hz but still get about 18 - 20 hours of usage (not 20h screen on time!)if on FULL CHARGE
In fact if you even disable the "BIG" i.g A77 cores, and use only the four A55 "little" ones, it's still good for daily usage. Processing time on the camera takes a bit of a hit, but you can always create a custom profile for that to enable all cores for the camera app. I have my phone skinned with the AOSP-R day/night hex installer theme.
Also huge reasons for rooting :
Tasker > for some insane automation profiles i made
Naptime, Servicely > Free extra battery life
The battery charge limiter to preserve my long term battery life.
Also a GCAM update, the scan3d APKs of BSG are getting rather good. We need to get together an tune the hell out of this sensor to get it to par with the stock camera tho, especially during night. Also no telephoto support, AFAIK. One S20FE confing shall be in the works.
Unrelated shameless self plug : https://www.youtube.com/c/siddharthlh please visit my youtube channel. It does contain some interesting tutorials for tech heads

I'm going to share this thread over on reddit with the army of disgruntled Exytoast users. if this works they will love you as a living god

3mel said:
I'm going to share this thread over on reddit with the army of disgruntled Exytoast users. if this works they will love you as a living god
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Maybe tag me in the post or something I'm siddharth_lh on reddit. I can help out there itself

done...
https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS20FE/comments/ndnp0s

By "M5 mongoose cores" you mean the ones labeled as "Prime cores"? Just rooted and tried this. Will report back with results.

hectorviov said:
By "M5 mongoose cores" you mean the ones labeled as "Prime cores"? Just rooted and tried this. Will report back with results.
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Yep

bipolar unbound said:
Yep
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Did you apply these settings?
How's performance and results been?

bipolar unbound said:
Step 1: Straight up disable the M5 mongoose cores. They are Samsung's biggest undoing.
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What does this do?
Also I dont wanna set the clock speed any lower is that fine?

Cheetah1020 said:
What does this do?
Also I dont wanna set the clock speed any lower is that fine?
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if you're changing the max frequency via a kernel tweaking app you can simply change it back if you don't like it.

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By "M5 mongoose cores" you mean the ones labeled as "Prime cores"? Just rooted and tried this. Will report back with results.
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How did it go?

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How did it go?
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It's been about a week and just 2 days ago I started seeing better battery life. The first 4-5 days were the same as before. I straight up disabled the 2 "prime" cores and the performance is basically the same. Never noticed a hiccup or a slow down. Before I rooted and tried this I was getting about 2.5 hrs SOT before I had to charge and now I'm getting about 3-3.5 hours, just a little more. Seems like less overheating (haven't check temps, just the feeling of it). What I haven't figured out is how to make the change on the GPU frequencies stay, if I set a max, it doesn't cares about it and it still goes above the limit. I'm always using 120 hz on this changes, so I'd say it's worth it.

hectorviov said:
It's been about a week and just 2 days ago I started seeing better battery life. The first 4-5 days were the same as before. I straight up disabled the 2 "prime" cores and the performance is basically the same. Never noticed a hiccup or a slow down. Before I rooted and tried this I was getting about 2.5 hrs SOT before I had to charge and now I'm getting about 3-3.5 hours, just a little more. Seems like less overheating (haven't check temps, just the feeling of it). What I haven't figured out is how to make the change on the GPU frequencies stay, if I set a max, it doesn't cares about it and it still goes above the limit. I'm always using 120 hz on this changes, so I'd say it's worth it.
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I think should wait for Android 12 to see if it gets better if not then I will do this process

Me too. Great tips!

Go to settings and search for "Limit CPU speed to 70%" and turn it on. Normally gives better battery life. Haven't seen any major bottleneck in performance.

adhikraman said:
Go to settings and search for "Limit CPU speed to 70%" and turn it on. Normally gives better battery life. Haven't seen any major bottleneck in performance.
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Doesnt it affect performance in games and stuff?

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Doesnt it affect performance in games and stuff?
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Haven't experienced any major performance hit in regular usage. Not a heavy gamer so your mileage might vary.

Guys...the last update for Exynos really worked? I've heard about changes in CPU governor that worked!

hectorviov said:
It's been about a week and just 2 days ago I started seeing better battery life. The first 4-5 days were the same as before. I straight up disabled the 2 "prime" cores and the performance is basically the same. Never noticed a hiccup or a slow down. Before I rooted and tried this I was getting about 2.5 hrs SOT before I had to charge and now I'm getting about 3-3.5 hours, just a little more. Seems like less overheating (haven't check temps, just the feeling of it). What I haven't figured out is how to make the change on the GPU frequencies stay, if I set a max, it doesn't cares about it and it still goes above the limit. I'm always using 120 hz on this changes, so I'd say it's worth it.
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Still that§s a really poor battery performance, and now without warranty... I will take my s20fe to samsung and if they wont repair or change it, I will be also forced to root my phone.

My experience rooting S20+ Exynos 990 following this thread:
TL;DR: Added 6-8 hours of standby battery life just from turning off prime and big cores, haven't checked on screen battery life since I don't use my phone much at work, but I wanted standby time improved.
Before turning off the prime and big cores, I got 11 hours tops on battery life. Seemingly out of nowhere the phone was always warm, despite just sitting at my desk with a very strong signal. I knew that at 12 pm, with 50% brightness, 120hz, and AOD I would expect at least 50% just gone even though I barely even used the damn thing. The straw that broke me, is that even though I was connected to wifi, I could only expect maybe at most, 3-4 hours of screen on time, which finally drove me insane. I checked out the thread sometime ago but was skeptical if it really was worth the trouble since it seemed a lengthy process. Take it from someone who hasn't rooted in a long time, just follow the guides and it all is pretty simple.
After turning off the prime and big cores, immediately thermals were so much better, after 3-5 minutes the phone was much cooler, about 5-8 degrees cooler on the chip area. Since the phone was reset, I couldn't really tell if battery was better. After the using my phone for a week rooted I can tell you, the battery difference is abysmal.
Before, I was struggling to end my day on 30-20%, now I can confidently end my day on 60-50%, depending on how much I used my phone. When idle the phone, barely sips battery, my estimate is that it went from 8-10% just idling, to 3-4% (need to check since I haven't turned on the prime cores ever since rooting). I wasn't willing to sacrifice 120hz so I always kept it on and battery life was good, however I will test with Max Hz on 96 hz, which should extend battery life.
Performance on the little cores is virtually the same, I haven't noticed any hiccups, lag or anything by that matter. I was concerned that on this thread it was mentioned that the camera took a hit, but on the S20+ nothing has changed, maybe the shutter is 0.3 seconds slower but I honestly don't notice or it doesn't bother me at all. Recording high resolution videos is no problem, and nothing really changed for me. Thermals are massively improved, if you're doing a heavy task, like recording, downloading or uploading, or something that you know requires heavy lifting, of course the phone will get warm, but not even close to how hot it would get just idling or doing the same tasks with the big or prime cores.
Since I don't play games I can't really say whether gaming has taking a hit or not, I would say that it depends on the game you're playing. You can always create a profile that enables the prime and big cores on FKM.
Overall I can say this, if you have an exynos 990 phone and getting real sucky battery life, rooting is the way to go. This phone just feels so much better with this extended battery life, and now rooting allows me to mod it as I want it or turn off things that weren't useful. Just be warned you will lose Google Pay and some apps from Samsung that use Knox, but for me what you get in return is so much valuable.
Please let me know if you have other questions from rooting the chip.