So when the 5.1 update for Androidwear rolled out I was looking forward to being able to scroll though my Play Music playlist,that never worked. Best I could figure out I need to have Lollipop on my phone to be able to access my playlist on wear.
So I wonder what's features are going to be left out if your phone has 4.3,4.4 or 5.1 with the Marshmallow wear update. My guess is that doze and app permission can anyone shine some light in to this?
Doze is part of the OS and should not matter what version your phone is. The watch will change some pull down tray depending on what version is on your phone but thats it i think.
I would not worry about doze since your wrist is always moving... Makes very little sense to me actually
Wrist always moving o.0?
From my understanding is that when the screen is off and their are not active processes (Music controls, Nav,Map steaming music etc) watches go in to doze mode.
"Doze mode is a new smart feature that helps to preserve your watches battery life: it recognizes when your Moto 360 is idle and automatically goes into a deep sleep state. How does it work? When your watch is not charging and not in use, Doze mode shuts down unnecessary background processes to optimize power."
I really hope I'm understanding Doze on wear compare to phone,because Doze on a phone is so dumb it's insane. Everyone I know keep their phone on them and if they put it down it won't be sitting there long enough to go in to doze mode.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/moto360/comments/2la6cg/noticed_i_can_get_my_moto_360_to_last_24_days/
A rudamentary discussion is over at the link above about an idea a couple of us have. The short of it is that with the ability to build profiles from an app on your phone, you could disable notifications/bluetooth (on the phone)/ ambient/ etc and that has been shown to dramatically improve battery life ( up to 3 days ). I'm curious if a developer with a Wear device would entertain the idea of putting something like this together. I would be happy to pay for an application that could make these types of adjustments through definable profiles, and I suspect many others would as well.
Thoughts? Suggestions?
Quick update. Battery life on the watch is improved by ~40% in a controlled test by disabling bluetooth on the paired phone. More details on the thread at Reddit.
Wtf is the point of disabling Bluetooth on the phone? The watch can't do what it's supposed to do then?
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I don't think that can be accurate. I've found that my watch has much worse battery life when not paired, as it is constantly searching for a bluetooth device to pair with... Maybe they mean airplane mode. But if that's the case, the watch is barely more featured than any normal old watch....
As discussed in the thread @ Reddit, the idea is that we're often in a situation where you don't need the watch. If I'm sitting at my desk, I have Chrome open, have my phone in front of me on a dock, etc. Using the watch is cumbersome if I already have my hands on a keyboard and mouse. Therefore, draining 7-12% per hour is a waste. If you consider that many of us are in a position for 6-8 hours a day where the watch will not be used, and the lifespan of the watch is anywhere from 12-18 hours, than turning off bluetooth can mean your watch may last longer than 24 hours and be more effective when you do require it.
This may not apply to you. But it will for many.
As for its effectiveness, I've done it two days in a row now. Using Wear Battery Stats, the results are consistently 40%+ reduction in battery discharge.
so what would be the conditions for matching the profile? meetings? GPS location? times of day?
also, you'd have to have an app present on the watch itself to make this functional, which would limit you to solely duration of time. so technically you'd be limited to the appointments on your calendar - but if you're in airplane mode, is this even possible?
i think the phone could issue a command to the watch to go to airplane mode, but how to get it back out is a bit more complicated. time is the only factor that i can think of. if you move locations, leave your desk, etc., you'd have to manually set it out of airplane, which is not something that interests me.
i'm still waiting for the ability to turn off teh motion sensor.
I just did a logical cheap DIY. (it does not put a stress in the battery)
I put my charger dock to my TIMER wall plug.
I wake up everyday at 05:45. When I go to sleep I have about 25% battery life, I put the watch on my dock and do not charge it.
At 04:00 my wall charger turns automatically ON and starts charging my watch, When I wake up it's 100% . Moto 360 did NOT charge all night, and it goes from about 10% - 20% (witch is almost best ) to 100%.
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I just did a logical cheap DIY. (it does not put a stress in the battery)
I put my charger dock to my TIMER wall plug.
I wake up everyday at 05:45. When I go to sleep I have about 25% battery life, I put the watch on my dock and do not charge it.
At 04:00 my wall charger turns automatically ON and starts charging my watch, When I wake up it's 100% . Moto 360 did NOT charge all night, and it goes from about 10% - 20% (witch is almost best ) to 100%.
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1. not sure how this relates to the OP.
2. isn't the battery "sweet spot" 80-40%? theoretically reducing the battery to 10% puts more wear on the battery than charging overnight? what if you switched your timer to charge first, then disable?
Yes. What I'm envisioning at bare minimum would be:
- An application on the smart watch that can disable bluetooth locally. That way you can keep it on the phone for your car stereo, headphone, etc features. This could be used through Google Voice (Tap screen and say "Open Sleep Now" or whatever). Also have the ability to open from any standard launcher such as "Wear Mini Launcher" or a Swipe command so you can quickly enable it when you sit down at your desk.
- The application on the smart watch includes the ability to force dim the screen or show a black screen like Slumber until you press/hold the button or press the screen to wake it.
- The application on the smart watch would have a feature to keep bluetooth turned off/screen turned off until the watch detects feedback from the accelerometer that there is significant and consistent movement over X period of time. This would help some people configure it not to go off while at their desk but while walking around the office/home/etc.
A more advanced version could offer additional features from the smartphone such as location awareness based on Wifi/GPS, but my understanding is that such a feature would burn through the smartphone battery. If not, then the ability to disable bluetooth on the smartphone based on location or detection of wifi APs would be another way to approach this. However, I believe that many people would find the first few feature recommendations above beneficial enough.
i hadn't considered the accelerometer but i think it will be tricky to get it right. i feel like the watch would be turning off/on the BT a LOT. sorry to sound so pessimistic - i think some test cases are warranted here.
your last point i just don't see feasible given the limitations of the watch. sacrifice the phone battery for the watch battery doesn't sound like an ideal situation and I'm not convinced it would be effective at reducing battery usage on the watch either.
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i hadn't considered the accelerometer but i think it will be tricky to get it right. i feel like the watch would be turning off/on the BT a LOT. sorry to sound so pessimistic - i think some test cases are warranted here.
your last point i just don't see feasible given the limitations of the watch. sacrifice the phone battery for the watch battery doesn't sound like an ideal situation and I'm not convinced it would be effective at reducing battery usage on the watch either.
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Agreed. Again, at bare minimum, if I had a bluetooth/wireless toggle switch on the smartwatch, that would be a huge benefit. I could turn it off while driving and sitting at my desk.
Also, as discussed on reddit, it does not only apply to bluetooth on and off. With profiles, you can turn off HR monitor, step counter, etc when you're seated at the office and just turn it back on when you leave. It can also be scheduled (if you leave office at 5pm, start the profile that enables most services by 4:30pm).
For me, the 8 hours a day that I work, I don't need email or social apps notifying me on my watch since I have a computer in front of me the whole time. I also don't need the HR triggering every so often. At the bare minimum, I just need calendar reminders and SMS via hangouts. If there is a way to set "Office" profile scheduled every 9am to 5pm then revert back to the default profile outside of those times, it would be great.
Hi everyone i have an extreme drianing battery with a no name process only a stick of android somebody can help me to fix it or what kind of app is doing this? Thanks. more info on pictures
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Hi everyone i have an extreme drianing battery with a no name process only a stick of android somebody can help me to fix it or what kind of app is doing this? Thanks. more info on pictures
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Go into settings then apps then running on your phone and see if you can see anything there, check for connect (moto connect) tap it and see what is running. There are likely 4 processes, if you have wakelock detector you could use that also to possibly narrow it down (requires root). Also check your location settings the watch could be using GPS to find your location which will affect both batteries (phone and watch).
I have the same thing. No processes under running apps on my phone that standout
Download cpu spy from playstore and let it run for a while. See if your phone is entering deep sleep after about half an hour. I am going to guess it is running at 300mhz and no entering deep sleep. What this will mean is the watch is communicating with the phone and not letting it sleep. Would be helpful to know what you have running on the watch ie. fit, moto body, google now cards and how many...
Just received my Moto 360 too. Got the same processes. And also a kind of very high android wear usage...
What do you guys have turned on? ambient, tilt to wake, card previews? I have all that turned off on mine, for me, watch idle is at the top followed by android wear 16% idle, 4% android wear.... then some other lower numbers.
So I found this one app " Swipify" that lets me keep the watch face on full time. I like it but it drains the battery a bit faster then I would like. Also when charging the watch the round charge progress bar does not advance so I have no idea how charged it is until I take it off the dock. So I un-installed it. I am looking for an app that will let me keep the watch in the dimmed "Ambient mode" full time and then when I lift the watch to look at it, have it to the full watch face mode until I set my arm back down.
Anyone make such a add-on app by chance? :fingers-crossed:
Or should I start learning how to code apps?
Any chance they (moto) will update with such features?
Thanks,
-DK
I'm not sure if such an app exists, but I'm just about 100% sure that Motorola will never add this feature. The current 5.1.1 software version was significantly delayed because they were trying to optimize battery life. I think it's a combination of a small battery and an old, power hungry processor that is the main problem.
I find that since upgrading to 5.1.1 I can go the entire day on one charge in ambient mode but I have to leave the watch sitting flat in order to test it. But by the end of the day I still have 25-25% charge left with it running the entire day in Ambient mode as long as I do not get to many notifications during the day which of course I can control those with no problem.
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I find that since upgrading to 5.1.1 I can go the entire day on one charge in ambient mode but I have to leave the watch sitting flat in order to test it. But by the end of the day I still have 25-25% charge left with it running the entire day in Ambient mode as long as I do not get to many notifications during the day which of course I can control those with no problem.
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Huh? What's the point of having a watch if the only way you can get it to work is to lie it on the desk and not touch it, oh and to disable notifications, aka the only thing that makes the "watch" something more than juts a watch?
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Huh? What's the point of having a watch if the only way you can get it to work is to lie it on the desk and not touch it, oh and to disable notifications, aka the only thing that makes the "watch" something more than juts a watch?
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That is why I am looking for an App similar to Swipify to keep the ambient mode on full time. And I only let it lie flat for a day to test the battery life and it makes it through the day with the screen on full time in ambient mode. So I know the watch is capable of doing what I would want it to use it for.
And I said "as long as I don't get too many notifications", I never said I disabled notifications. I still have those on.
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That is why I am looking for an App similar to Swipify to keep the ambient mode on full time. And I only let it lie flat for a day to test the battery life and it makes it through the day with the screen on full time in ambient mode. So I know the watch is capable of doing what I would want it to use it for.
And I said "as long as I don't get too many notifications", I never said I disabled notifications. I still have those on.
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Gocha. No need to be defensive, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Still seems like you'd always be on the hairy edge of running out of battery in a real-world scenario. Hell, I'm ambient mode off but tilt-to-wake on, and some long days I barely make it to the end of the day. Never had luck with even the fake ambient mode the Moto provides.
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Gocha. No need to be defensive, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Still seems like you'd always be on the hairy edge of running out of battery in a real-world scenario. Hell, I'm ambient mode off but tilt-to-wake on, and some long days I barely make it to the end of the day. Never had luck with even the fake ambient mode the Moto provides.
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All good, sorry to come off as defensive. :good::highfive:
Been using it with tilt-to-wake turned off and I am finding that by the end of the day I still have plenty of juice left.
With Ambient on and tilt-to wake off I find I have about 35-40% left at the end of a 7am - 11pm day. That is with receiving some email and text notifications (maybe 15-20) during the day.
I know everyone has different uses and ideas of how to use their Moto 360 so everyone's setting are going to be different, but what I am after is a always on "dimmed" or "ambient" mode with the option to turn on tilt to wake so I could test the battery life both ways. I would also like to use my 360 for home automation control and I I know with "Autowear" it is possible but from the little testing I have done so far it would kill my battery way to fast so perhaps on a future SW that will be something I will be doing.
Pausing and starting Netflix or HBOgo or Plex from my 360 is working pretty good for me as a start.
Think I will try and contact the owner of the Swipify app and see what he can do for me...... :laugh:
With the latest update LCA44B, when ambient is on and tilt is off, the screen will stay on all the time. However with ambient on and tilt on, it is same as previous behavior, screen will turn off when you put your arm by your side.
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With the latest update LCA44B, when ambient is on and tilt is off, the screen will stay on all the time. However with ambient on and tilt on, it is same as previous behavior, screen will turn off when you put your arm by your side.
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That is very good news! Can not wait to try it out!
Since getting the OTA, Doze hasn't worked at all. I haven't installed any new apps, and am stock/unrooted. Here's the battery graph from last night with the phone sitting on the nightstand.
Any ideas?
Same here. So you had a flat line before the update?
Yep, flat line before the update. Here's the detailed battery view (4% after my first screenshot, but serves the same purpose). Looks like something is keeping the phone awake but nothing else changed outside of updating the OS.
I restarted and that didn't help. Maybe it has to re-optimize.
Doze appears to be working on mine but I've only had it for a day and am using it a lot. When not in use for an extended period of time the battery graph completely levels out and doesn't decrease at all. Then again I think I've only gone about 20 minutes without touching it since I took it off of the charger this morning.
Check your Developer Options > Running Services for any suspicious activity.
I had Google Maps "offline Maps service" hammering my device during sleep the other day even though I've never saved an offline map yet.
See attachment for Doze. It works better on my 5x than 6p. I'm not sure why. Total flatline.
Looks solid to me
Hi,
You can see if Doze is active if you have any app that records data periodically. Leave it running over night and you should be able to see a reduction in samples in the early morning. For example, when logging current usage with "Current Widget", when Doze kicks in the sampling slows way down. If I leave it on overnight set to take a sample about once a minute by the time I wake it is 2 to 3 hours between samples. I've had higher current drain when I though Doze wasn't working, but upon looking at the Current Widget log file, I could see that Doze was active.
Frank
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Hi,
You can see if Doze is active if you have any app that records data periodically. Leave it running over night and you should be able to see a reduction in samples in the early morning. For example, when logging current usage with "Current Widget", when Doze kicks in the sampling slows way down. If I leave it on overnight set to take a sample about once a minute by the time I wake it is 2 to 3 hours between samples. I've had higher current drain when I though Doze wasn't working, but upon looking at the Current Widget log file, I could see that Doze was active.
Frank
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Wait, Current Widget actually works properly with you with the 5x? It rarely updates for me. All software current monitoring tools seem to do so.
I figured it must be something with how the power regulation works on this device.
With my Nexus 5 it would update exactly as intended and could be plotted on the graph, until the phone entered deep sleep then the updates became infrequent. This was on Lollipop before Doze existed, so that tells me that it is because of Deep Sleep not Doze.
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Check your Developer Options > Running Services for any suspicious activity.
I had Google Maps "offline Maps service" hammering my device during sleep the other day even though I've never saved an offline map yet.
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You may have solved my problem. Using Wakelock Detector, I saw that Google Maps was slamming my phone too keeping from dozing. I deleted my offline maps and disabled the option. Hopefully that fixes it for me
Wandering in my LG G4 settings I was in "accessibility" options and I found at the bottom of the screen the "doze" option. What's that?
Which version of Android are your phone running? Mine is running Marshmallow and there is no "Doze" option found in "Accessibility".
Maybe it's a fake application from playstore.
Because Marshmallow versions have a new feature called Doze.
Android Marshmallow has changes deep in the operating system that can allow your phone (or tablet) to get better battery life. We see this mentioned with every operating system update from every company that makes smart devices, but this time they mean it.
Enter Doze. If the name reminds you of a pleasant nap while nothing pressing is going on, you've figured out what it is. It's a set of changes and rules that will put your phone to sleep when it's idle, which means you're not using as much of that precious juice from your battery. It sounds simple (and it is) but there are a few things to know.
You won't have to do anything to use the new Doze feature. There are no switches or settings you need to toggle, and once you've updated to Marshmallow it just works. That is, when it's supposed to work.
And that's the thing. You won't see any benefit from Doze while your phone is in your pocket and you're working or at school. Things need to be idle, and that means really idle.
For Doze to kick in, your phone needs to be sitting still with the screen off, and not connected to a charger. That means no moving around and nudging the gyro or other motion sensors, no touching the screen or the buttons and no waving your hand around in front of it if you're using a phone like the new phones from Motorola that have motion detection on the front bezel. Set it down, and leave it alone.
After a while, everything goes to sleep. Well, almost everything. You'll still get notified when "high-priority" apps need your attention. That means things like phone calls or SMS messages can get through (and thus waking up your dozing phone) as well as any app that declares itself as high-priority. Other things, like email notifications or Clash of Clans telling you your gold mine has leveled up aren't going to come in and wake your phone up.
And yes, this sounds like there is potential for abuse by developers who want to declare their app as high-priority. But Google has thought of this, and has a pretty good way to curtail any devious developers — high-priority notifications that aren't part of your carrier network (calls and texts) have to come through a Google Cloud Messaging server. When they find someone abusing the system, and subsequently keeping your phone from dozing as intended, they can take action. We assume this means those notifications can no longer come through as high-prioity, but we also hope there is tar and feathers involved.
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I also noticed the feature right at the bottom of accessibility?
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I also noticed the feature right at the bottom of accessibility?
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Friends no idea what are you talking about. But in Android marshmallow there have a hidden settings for doze but we can't get it or saw in any settings . it's automatically loading when our device standby clearly ( running no sensors, running no media players,) a idle means correct ideal phone stayed in a table. So the option will automatically make other programs deep sleep excluding our priority setted application
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I'm sorry for necro-posting, but it's for future generations.
I believe you guys have installed this third-party app, named "Doze" (which is, of course, unrelated to the real Doze, implemented in the Android framework).
It provides an accessibility service, which then appears in the Accessibility settings. I'd say it's a bit unfortunate that it's not made clear that it comes from a third-party app. Of course, the service being named simply "Doze", same as an Android feature, doesn't help.
For maximum googlability, here's how the service describes itself when clicked in Settings:
Enabling Doze accessibility service helps aggressive mode work better.
You may receive warning of potential privacy risks. Please rest assured as it is a regular warning when you enable any accessibility service.
Doze does NOT collect your private information ever and forever.
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Whether you trust the developer or not is up to you.