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Many people are joining xda on daily basis. Some of them join the forum to get custom ROMs while some join in order to get some of their problem that they are facing with their phones solved.
There are dedicated threads for ROMs but what about HELP/QUESTIONS??
People generally straight away start a new thread to get their doubts solved. But this can lead to chaos in the forum.
I'm creating this thread as an alternative to *New Threads* that aim to resolve a question.
Not only this, this thread can also become a Database kind of place where people can look if their question is already solved or not...
I request all members of the ASUS ZENFONE 2 sub-forum to help and answer some questions posted here if they can.
I hope you guys get the idea behind this thread...
Is intel developer friendly ???
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Is intel developer friendly ???
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This will be a great phone once developer starting developing roms for this phone.
Hi
I like this phone, but how I realized there is a 2 version of ZenFone 2? One will be cheaper and the other more expensive. Please what is the difference?
Will both phones use the same camera and processor?
And where I could see the picture samples of Zenfone 2?
Thx a lot
Query
Is it possible to chop off Un wanted stuff from Zen UI n build a lollipop's OG framework into the. stock rom
On screen Nav bar .Notification drawer n Settings app like Stock .Android ...???????????
Accounts n Screen Pinning .......Not the Nooby Kids mode LOL
If yes I'm buying it Cause The camera and Build Q is amazing for the price
Zenfone 2 Explained
wavexda said:
Hi
I like this phone, but how I realized there is a 2 version of ZenFone 2? One will be cheaper and the other more expensive. Please what is the difference?
Will both phones use the same camera and processor?
And where I could see the picture samples of Zenfone 2?
Thx a lot
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$149 ~~~720p display .2GB RAM 1.8 GHZ intel atom Z3560
$199~~~~1080p display . 2GB RAM 1.8 GHz Intel Atom Z3560.
$299~~~~~1080p display .4GB RAM .....Intel Atom 2.3 GHz Z3580
All of them have 4G LTE Cat 4 FDD LTE
They share same Power VR GPU
Quick Charge 2.0 & Double Tap 2 wake and Sleep ........
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$149 ~~~720p display .2GB RAM 1.8 GHZ intel atom Z3560
$199~~~~1080p display ................""""""""""""...................'.....
$299~~~~~...."....."""""""....4GB RAM .....Intel Atom 2.3 GHz Z3580
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From where you got the info about the prices? Or is just a guess? I also think that the high specs version would have the price of 299.
Anyone knows how are these processors with the battery life.?
GUESS
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From where you got the info about the prices? Or is just a guess? I also think that the high specs version would have the price of 299.
Anyone knows how are these processors with the battery life.?
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Last Year Zen Fone 4,5.6. Price Point will be followed ...........
Camera Details On lower end version. is unknown
To my understanding atom processors are nowhere near the performance of current generation ARM.. Has anything changed? Is this cpu comparable to anything released in the last year?
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To my understanding atom processors are nowhere near the performance of current generation ARM.. Has anything changed? Is this cpu comparable to anything released in the last year?
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Benchmarks report the higher end one in zenphone 2 is comparable to snap Dragon 805. Not sure about battery efficiency.
In terms of real world performance, the Intel CPUs are very satisfying. I have a very old CloverTrail CPU in my Venue 8 tablet, and it feels just as snappy as the Snapdragon 800 in my phone, even though the 800 blows it away in benchmarks.
The big question is how is the ROM and dev support going to be for this phone.
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In terms of real world performance, the Intel CPUs are very satisfying. I have a very old CloverTrail CPU in my Venue 8 tablet, and it feels just as snappy as the Snapdragon 800 in my phone, even though the 800 blows it away in benchmarks.
The big question is how is the ROM and dev support going to be for this phone.
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That's good to hear! I'm excited about this phone assuming 1) unlocked bootloader + source release and 2) Dev support
So since I am new here and found this thread I had to ask..
I am intrigued by the Zenfone 2 but I like the Oneplus One as well..
I am an iOS user (got really tired of it.. ) and I am going to switch to Android.
The advice I've been given is to search if there are going to be custom ROMs and support before buying a phone!
Is there a reason to wait for the Zenfone 2 over the Oneplus One?
(Planning on using a custom ROM so it will have "pure" android (propably CM, dunno still searching) )
Thnx in advance
Considering the specs on the ZenFone 2 are basically the same as all these 7-10" Windows tablets, how long before you think before we see full Windows 8.1/10 on the ZenFone 2?
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BeriaddaN said:
So since I am new here and found this thread I had to ask..
I am intrigued by the Zenfone 2 but I like the Oneplus One as well..
I am an iOS user (got really tired of it.. ) and I am going to switch to Android.
The advice I've been given is to search if there are going to be custom ROMs and support before buying a phone!
Is there a reason to wait for the Zenfone 2 over the Oneplus One?
(Planning on using a custom ROM so it will have "pure" android (propably CM, dunno still searching) )
Thnx in advance
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Having owned the OnePlus One and a Note 3 with CM11, they are both very nice. I have a good feeling about the ZenFone 2 though. More "open" hardware. You may also look at the Lenovo P90 (much bigger battery). The #1 advantage of the ZF2 or the P90 is that they both run 64bit processors, so they are ready for 64bit Android.
Is the Zenfone2 gonna work on Verizon Network?
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From where you got the info about the prices? Or is just a guess? I also think that the high specs version would have the price of 299.
Anyone knows how are these processors with the battery life.?
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With the 720p model, it'll be a 5 inch phone, right?
Go for ASUS you wont regret it!
If the price is acceptable,this one definitely will be a hot item.Asus is very committed in costumer satisfaction.their is extremely fast in software upgrading. Asus strategies in marketing have fortunes both side.for example,after zenfone 5 Lte out with kitkat ,month later(l believed its take a month just because its had a different cpu vendor) all previous Zenfone series also received same upgrading and all leftover stock in market becomes high demanded until need to refill. Now zenfone 5 is conquer over 4 Asean country and the funny things is I,the early owner of zenfone 5 still use jb because its alredy bugless in last jb version(finally usb OTG support) .In my country,zenfone 5 is one of hot items and now I'm very proud to shows off my fone to my friends cause its so popular. Now zenfone its definitely on theirs list.Thank you Asus for my dignity
WHAT about GPL compliance of ASUS.... was there any word about device tree and source code???
how did xda opened a thread for zenfone 2????
Hello everyone
I intend to buy a new phone but with dual card. I wanted to buy Xiaomi MI Note, but the cost is huge so I gave up. I stumbled upon a phone AusuZenfon2. As I watched some clips on YT seems that his camera much good. In Xioamia Mi Note camera is even better than the iPhone 6 Plus. I hope and Zenfonu 2 will be good camera.
What interests me is:
1. How satisfied are you with you thus far zenfonom users in general?
2. Procesor which is located in the Zenfone2 (64-bit Intel Atom 3560/3580 Quad Core Processor (Running at 1.8 / 2.3GHz) PowerVR Series 6 - G6430, with OpenGL 3.0 support), so I interesujeu which rank this processor in compared to the Snapdragon family? 800, 801 or maybe 805?
3. Does really feature HDR blacklight gives such good pictures in low light or is just marketing trick?
4. Will it will be 4K recording and slowmotion 240fps in zenfonu 2?
5. Zenfone 2 will have two models, one of 2GB and the other 4GB Ram. Is the difference only in RAM or a even a change?
Advance very grateful
PS I see the comments someone goes dead motherboard. How is this happening? And if this is a common problem with this phone?
P.S2 .. I looked at photos Zenfon 5 :crying:and unfortunately photos are bad phone that I now have a Xioami Mi3 and captures a lot of good pictures. Will Zenfone 2 have a better camera than Zenfona 5?
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Is the Zenfone2 gonna work on Verizon Network?
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Unfortunately not. Verizon works on CDMA network which is not supported by Zenfone 2 and is not supported by a lot of other phones. Verizon also uses LTE network and it is currently the broader LTE network in the USA. You can check the coverage here: http://www.verizonwireless.com/. The Verizon LTE network bands will be supported by some models of Zenfone 2. You could theoretically use Zenfone 2 on Verizon, but then you have to use voip instead of standard calling and depend fully on the LTE in general.
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wavexda said:
Hello everyone
I intend to buy a new phone but with dual card. I wanted to buy Xiaomi MI Note, but the cost is huge so I gave up. I stumbled upon a phone AusuZenfon2. As I watched some clips on YT seems that his camera much good. In Xioamia Mi Note camera is even better than the iPhone 6 Plus. I hope and Zenfonu 2 will be good camera.
What interests me is:
1. How satisfied are you with you thus far zenfonom users in general?
2. Procesor which is located in the Zenfone2 (64-bit Intel Atom 3560/3580 Quad Core Processor (Running at 1.8 / 2.3GHz) PowerVR Series 6 - G6430, with OpenGL 3.0 support), so I interesujeu which rank this processor in compared to the Snapdragon family? 800, 801 or maybe 805?
3. Does really feature HDR blacklight gives such good pictures in low light or is just marketing trick?
4. Will it will be 4K recording and slowmotion 240fps in zenfonu 2?
5. Zenfone 2 will have two models, one of 2GB and the other 4GB Ram. Is the difference only in RAM or a even a change?
Advance very grateful
PS I see the comments someone goes dead motherboard. How is this happening? And if this is a common problem with this phone?
P.S2 .. I looked at photos Zenfon 5 :crying:and unfortunately photos are bad phone that I now have a Xioami Mi3 and captures a lot of good pictures. Will Zenfone 2 have a better camera than Zenfona 5?
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Nobody uses the Zenfone 2 because it's not on the market yet. I have Asus tablet based on (an older) Intel SoC and I'll try to answer to your questions on the base of that experience:
1. I'm really satisfied with the tablet. It is fast, stable and modest in energy consumption.
2. Intel 3580 is generally considered better SoC than any of Snapdragons you mentioned and has better Antutu Results. Besides only the newest of Snapdragons 805 (and 810) is 64-bit, but both are 28nm, so they are likely less energy efficiently than Intel Atom 3560/3580, which are 22nm thick.
3. It's not a market trick. You can get live tests of camera performance.
4. yes.
5. It's not known yet, but I assume that Asus plans to offer entry level model with Intel 3560, 2GB RAM and lower resolution and high end with Intel 3580, 4GB RAM and higher resolution. Starting price for the first model is supposed to be $199 and for the second one $299. Additional ROM will probably increase the price. And there are still modifications which are not sorted out yet regarding LTE antennas regarding selling territory and 5 inch model which is currently still a big mystery.
What phone do you suggest for the future? I'm disappointed with Zenfone 2 ZE551ML 4GB, bad materials, bad support, ridiculous battery life and bad space management (phone is too big).
My priority are battery (not necessary a battery phone, but at least 6-7 hours of display), good camera (I want support for real slow motion, not the ZF2 one ) , good design (I would prefer a 5-5.2") and good software support.
My budget is 400€ and I need phones that I can found on Amazon (so don't suggest me phones like OP3 that are on Amazon at 100€ more).
Thanks
I was thinking about ZUK Z2 & Z2 Pro as my next phone after ZF2. Generally because it's smaller than 5.5" and probably should have similar performance.
This choice is made based on specifications from the web. I still need to check some reviews for this phone.
Maybe someone can say anything about this phone?
Or Galaxy S8 Edge + Gear Vr,, or nothing
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I was thinking about ZUK Z2 & Z2 Pro as my next phone after ZF2. Generally because it's smaller than 5.5" and probably should have similar performance.
This choice is made based on specifications from the web. I still need to check some reviews for this phone.
Maybe someone can say anything about this phone?
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The problem is that these phones like Zuk, Xiaomi and these "not top" brands, are not selling officially in Italy and they don't support 800Mhz (band 20) for 4G LTE, used a lot here, expecially where I live and with my carrier..so I need a "more european" brand, to have full 4G support.
I am thinking of the 5.5 inch Zenfone 3. I have been very happy with my ze551ml.
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check elephone p9000 around 250$
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check elephone p9000 around 250$
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P9000 is not really better than ZF2, at least the 4 Gb version (unless you're badly looking for a fingerprint unlockable phone).
I used a P8000 before and although it's a nice phone, Mediatek processors are less powerful than other manufacturers' equivalent cpu's. If you take Antutu Benchmark as a reference (yes, we all know it can be faked, but it serves its purpose as a reference, and a way to compare two phones) P9000 scores between 45k and 47k, while my ZF2, which is the 1.8 Ghz version, scores between 55k and 57k. P9000 wouldn't be such a step forward, unless your ZF2 is broken beyond repair.
I'd stick to ZF2 until something significantly more powerful and affordable comes around. I've already seen some 6 Gb RAM phones, also with 128 Gb storage, but definitely not in the same price range as the ZF2.
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P9000 is not really better than ZF2, at least the 4 Gb version (unless you're badly looking for a fingerprint unlockable phone).
I used a P8000 before and although it's a nice phone, Mediatek processors are less powerful than other manufacturers' equivalent cpu's. If you take Antutu Benchmark as a reference (yes, we all know it can be faked, but it serves its purpose as a reference, and a way to compare two phones) P9000 scores between 45k and 47k, while my ZF2, which is the 1.8 Ghz version, scores between 55k and 57k. P9000 wouldn't be such a step forward, unless your ZF2 is broken beyond repair.
I'd stick to ZF2 until something significantly more powerful and affordable comes around. I've already seen some 6 Gb RAM phones, also with 128 Gb storage, but definitely not in the same price range as the ZF2.
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if you want upgrade 400$ i suggest xiaomo mi5s + or one plus 3
My current "short list" of devices:
OnePlus 3
ZTE Axon 7
Asus Zenfone 3 Deluxe
LeEco Le Max 2
LeEco Le Pro 3
Xiaomi Redmi Note 3
Sony XA Ultra
Nexus 6
Motorola Moto X Pure
I sincerely felt ZF2 not really worth the price , the hardwares are high spec but softwares are ****.
I got mine in June last year and as still pleased with it. Worth the price to me.
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I'll not purchase ASUS anymore period.
I replace it with an Galaxy S7 duos (flat screen version), cost near twice but it's the best android phone available despite Pixel XL hype, the S7 is the fastest water proof dual sim better display, much smaller than the asus and pixel XL, features Knox and multitasking and Samsung voice recognition its available in Spanish and while not as funny as the assistant does very well when I'm driving, also read messages and emails features not available in Spanish from Google asistant o now. Ahh the S7 also includes HR sensor and wireless charging and cost 300 less than a pixel XL.
I can't find one with better specs than the Zenfone 2 and with the ability to use two sim cards and an sd card at the same time .
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I can't find one with better specs than the Zenfone 2 and with the ability to use two sim cards and an sd card at the same time .
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Yea there are, the Moto G4 has a dual sim version I don't know if can use the sd slot the same time but includes 64 internal storage android 7 and 0 bloat.
I don't use the sd slot often with 32gb its far enough to me even I have 3 games and 10gb+ in mp3, and when I need video for long trips I just plug an mini otg-usb pendrive.
But there is an mod for the S7 that allows simultaneously use the SD and two sim but implies devastating one sim that can't be uses on other phone anymore.
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Yea there are, the Moto G4 has a dual sim version I don't know if can use the sd slot the same time but includes 64 internal storage android 7 and 0 bloat.
I don't use the sd slot often with 32gb its far enough to me even I have 3 games and 10gb+ in mp3, and when I need video for long trips I just plug an mini otg-usb pendrive.
But there is an mod for the S7 that allows simultaneously use the SD and two sim but implies devastating one sim that can't be uses on other phone anymore.
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Moto G4 has only 2gb ram it does has a dedicated sd card slot though :good: but spec wise it's not as good as the zenfone 2 imo.
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Moto G4 has only 2gb ram it does has a dedicated sd card slot though :good: but spec wise it's not as good as the zenfone 2 imo.
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FYI Moto G4 has versions from 2GB/32gb 5HD" to 4GB/64GB" 5.5HD +fingerprint reader from 150$ (G4play) to 300$ (G4+), in some markets is offered with Dual-Sim feature, and spec-off its an high quality build phone, absolutely reliable with the fastest updated among non-nexus phones, even I considered it at last moment instead the S7.
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FYI Moto G4 has versions from 2GB/32gb 5HD" to 4GB/64GB" 5.5HD +fingerprint reader from 150$ (G4play) to 300$ (G4+), in some markets is offered with Dual-Sim feature, and spec-off its an high quality build phone, absolutely reliable with the fastest updated among non-nexus phones, even I considered it at last moment instead the S7.
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:good:
Moto G4 plus Google says 4GB only on sale via Amazon in the UK checking Amazon I'm finding 3GB at £245 so when the 4GB version is out I'm thinking it will probably be north of £300.
One to keep an eye on though:good:
Got the missus a vernee thor for 80GBP , comes with MM out the box and just put AOSP 7.1 on it for her from M.A.D team, here on XDA .
Nippy device 3GB ram and...... MTK of all chipsets
http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_honor_note_8-8231.php
go for xiaomi mi5 or zenfone 3 deluxe. i am using xiaomi mi5. believe me its best.
Hey guys
So I'm here asking about the question in the title
I want to know whether the kernel sources are released by OEM or not ?
And I'm getting this phone for only 15K INR
Is there any android developement like custom roms possible on this phone ?? OR should I buy redmi note 4 which has a better support ??
I don't want to switch devices for few more years
Please help me here
That are two phones hard to compare.. snapdragon 820 vs 625, 5inch vs 5.5inch etc, fingerprint on front vs on the back etc... how should we know what you need or want?
Both are great..
And for custom roms > how about if you look into the roms, kernels, recovery.. section? Dont be so lazy man
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Hey guys
So I'm here asking about the question in the title
I want to know whether the kernel sources are released by OEM or not ?
And I'm getting this phone for only 15K INR
Is there any android developement like custom roms possible on this phone ?? OR should I buy redmi note 4 which has a better support ??
I don't want to switch devices for few more years
Please help me here
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Warning: Very long story
My purchase of 3Gb variant of Redmi Note 4 was final but could not buy it (everything happens for a good) as delivery was not available by flipkart in my area. I was very sad and finally decided to buy a new, seal packed Redmi Note 3 from ebay at Rs. 9300 (Rs. 10400 was listed price, after applying coupons it became Rs. 9300) as it had performance and recently got franco kernel too (previously available only on Pixels, Nexus and One Plus devices). Finally saw Lenovo Z2 Plus on Snapdeal for Rs. 12000 and immediately purchased it (was hesitant at first reading reviews on Amazon but could not resist SD 820 at this price).
The phone is great, no heating issues and was much better than Redmi Note 3 (Screen quality, camera quality, general performance, looks) when compared side by side as my friend had one. Battery is also good, I get 5-6 hours Screen on time on 4G network with hotspot on and around 7-8 hours SoT on WiFi.
About development, both devices have great roms but Redmi Note 4 has no custom kernel as kernel source codes are not released currently but may or will get them in future when sources are released. Also if you want to be like a trickster and change TV channels of any TV in lobby of any hospital/Hotel, go for Xiaomi phones as they have IR blaster.
The Z2 Plus recently got official Nougat whereas Redmi Note 3 and 4 are still on Marshmallow but that does not matter as you are planning to use a custom rom and all three have 7.1.2 Nougat custom roms.
Conclusion
If you like very good developer support with some good performance, go for Redmi Note 3
If you like development with superior battery life, go for Redmi Note 4
If you want a phone with sheer raw power and the one that does not slow down even after 3 years and a great value for money and brag among friends, go for Z2 Plus.
Currently Z2 Plus is available at Rs.13000 at Snapdeal but wait for amazon sale on 11th, previously at an Amazon sale, it was available for 12K and if you get any bank discount (sometimes 10 to 15% off on SBI Card etc during sale), you can get it for 10-11K too.
Go for the black one, it looks very good
Hope this helps
You can also watch reviews and comparison of phones on youtube for better decisions.
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If you like very good developer support with some good performance, go for Redmi Note 3
If you like development with superior battery life, go for Redmi Note 4
If you want a phone with sheer raw power and the one that does not slow down even after 3 years and a great value for money and brag among friends, go for Z2 Plus.
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I am absolutely agree with hp5942's statements. Development for Z2 is only growing, it will be awesome in a few months. Note 3 has one of the best dev support and will have it for a long time. Note 4 is better looking and feeling than Note 3, but it is less speedy device.
I'm fine with front mounted finger print sensor
I want to use device for at least 2-3 years
Which one do you suggest me ?
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I'm fine with front mounted finger print sensor
I want to use device for at least 2-3 years
Which one do you suggest me ?
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For long run always go with the phone with more performance.
My friend still has no performance issues with his Mi4 (SD 800, flagship at that time) even after 2.5 years.
if u cant get more money .. get it .. if u can get a bit more.. get oneplus 3t
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if u cant get more money .. get it .. if u can get a bit more.. get oneplus 3t
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I don't have much if a money ... Should I buy lenovo z2 plus ?
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I don't have much if a money ... Should I buy lenovo z2 plus ?
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yeah..this phone worth what u paying for.
Why do you guys confuse much. Its good phone for the price. For 13k you are getting snap 820
Its like for the price of audi you getting buggati
Why to get confused. There are minor software hiccups. As you are familiar with xda you can always use custom roms
Hardware wise there are no issues. Build quality is damm solid. I have thrashed my phone many times, but it still survives.
Back glass is lil fragile.
Should i buy lenovo z2 plus now at 12k?
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Should i buy lenovo z2 plus now at 12k?
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This phone was a worthy buy @18K, it's definitely a steal @12k, but if you can wait, BigBillionDay/GreatIndian sale is around the corner, you might get an even sweeter deal.
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Should i buy lenovo z2 plus now at 12k?
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I bought z2 plus(4,64gb) @ 9.5k from amazon
(Actually 11k - 1.5k cashback)
So wait for any amazon sale
May be buy it on Diwali
For those not used to pimp their phones (unlock bootloader, flash rom etc...), i think Zuk Z2 is not a good choice as the original version is not perfect. But if you like to flash and customize your phone, so yes, 10 times yes,it's a very good phone (have it for almost 1 year and still happy with it).
Hello Friends,
Could You Please help me out by Recommending a Device between Asus Zenfone Max Pro M1 and Redmi Note 5 Pro.
Actually i am Currently Using MMX Nitro A311 with ResurrectionRemix ROM. And I need to upgrade to a New Device.
Actually Both the RNote5Pro and ProM1 both make a Tough Competition and with similar specs , making it really tough to choose from. So it is difficult for me in selecting one in my Budget of 15K.
I am Basically in to Info-Sec Field so I need a phone which I can Root Easily and install custom ROM(s) ,if needed. And I need a Decent Good Battery Backup & Processing Power so that I can manage my Studies and Work. And Want Complete Control of my Phone. And I need to Use My Next Phone for a Pretty Long Duration 2-3 Years.
I would Basically use my Phone for Calls, Chats, Youtube, Watching Tutorials, Reading PDFs and Camera is needed for Recording Purpose. Other than that I would use it for TESTING Apps and for Other Info-Sec Purposes.
Since I read that Xiaomi has some issues Now in Rooting and Now with that Anti-Rollback its now more critical.
So Please help me Out by Suggesting.And Leaving Your Kind Genuine Reviews.
Thanks in Advance,
Regards,
Rahul
rxrkr said:
Hello Friends,
Could You Please help me out by Recommending a Device between Asus Zenfone Max Pro M1 and Redmi Note 5 Pro.
Actually i am Currently Using MMX Nitro A311 with ResurrectionRemix ROM. And I need to upgrade to a New Device.
Actually Both the RNote5Pro and ProM1 both make a Tough Competition and with similar specs , making it really tough to choose from. So it is difficult for me in selecting one in my Budget of 15K.
I am Basically in to Info-Sec Field so I need a phone which I can Root Easily and install custom ROM(s) ,if needed. And I need a Decent Good Battery Backup & Processing Power so that I can manage my Studies and Work. And Want Complete Control of my Phone. And I need to Use My Next Phone for a Pretty Long Duration 2-3 Years.
I would Basically use my Phone for Calls, Chats, Youtube, Watching Tutorials, Reading PDFs and Camera is needed for Recording Purpose. Other than that I would use it for TESTING Apps and for Other Info-Sec Purposes.
Since I read that Xiaomi has some issues Now in Rooting and Now with that Anti-Rollback its now more critical.
So Please help me Out by Suggesting.And Leaving Your Kind Genuine Reviews.
Thanks in Advance,
Regards,
Rahul
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Go for the 6gb variant of the Zenfone Max pro M1. Xiaomi is a headache in terms of unlocking bootloader. I got permission to unlock months ago but I'm still not able to unlock it. Planning to sell my note 5 pro and get Zenfone Max pro!
Recommending something can be biased unless you havent tried both and yes its tough choice to make. Now that 6 gigs version of Asus zenfone max pro is released it can surely out perform 5 pro and in your case for a device to stay as much as 2-3 years i would vote hands down for max pro m1 6 gigs since 4+64gigs will age by that time. only thing which was letting max pro down compared to 5 pro was camera which now said to be improved since asus isnt launching zenfone 5 in india so its they're best bit in budget segment market. Speaking of development on both phone should be the same since both are powered by same processor and are treble enabled.
and Yes I am frustated with unlocking bootloader and antiroll thing since its only way they make money by making people use their bloatware and UI which is otherwise in asus case
so verdict ASUS FOR THE GO.
100% Redmi Note 5 Pro
And
Mi A2 Coming Shortly
myron2699 said:
Go for the 6gb variant of the Zenfone Max pro M1. Xiaomi is a headache in terms of unlocking bootloader. I got permission to unlock months ago but I'm still not able to unlock it. Planning to sell my note 5 pro and get Zenfone Max pro!
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I actually sold my RN5 Pro yesterday and will get Asus. Left all the groups of Telegram too. It's not worth investing time in custom roms anymore since it's a lot of headache with anti3/4, unlock bootloader etc.
I've used the 4GB Asus variant for few days, exchanged my ph with a friend, I won't say it's bug free phone but there is no phone that's bug free. For Asus: Once you've got used to receive otas from oem, security patches every bi monthly, stock Android with few addons ( double tap), can unlock unofficially and relock for warranty, I feel Asus has a lot of advantage here.
I'm pretty sure few will tell you about prior issues they had specially with Asus Zenphone phs that were based on Intel cpus but I would suggest you to ignore. Asus has learned from such mistakes, went with SD this time which I'm sure will get good dev support if you're into flashing roms.
For me, getting a stock rom ph, easy to root/unlock bootloader just to use ad blocker, good battery life, decent hardware, no boatloader 20 days waiting, no anti3/4, no mi fans nonsense. I've heard the camera outperforms RN5P but I haven't checked about it since I'm sure all mid end phs does the social sharing job. I'm investing my money with Asus this time.
simple sir , go for asus if your main priority into custom roms etc , you can simply unlock and flash anything right after buying .
this redmi note 5 pro/ai maybe good at camera but asus max pro m1 seems had an advantages on other specs.
lawong said:
simple sir , go for asus if your main priority into custom roms etc , you can simply unlock and flash anything right after buying .
this redmi note 5 pro/ai maybe good at camera but asus max pro m1 seems had an advantages on other specs.
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The only thing better with Asus is the bigger battery. I don't understand how it has advantage in other specs? It does not support WiFI a/ac nor does it have an IR blaster for example and there is no mention of presence/absence of Gorilla Glass on Asus. Now I have a RN5 AI, so this has better camera specs than all M1 variants, but the RN5Pro still has a slight advantage with 3/4gb vs 3/4gb variants.
Yes the Xiaomi made i d*ck move by implementing ARB without making possibility to disable it, but you can still flash custom roms just as you always did, it's the unlocking method that's a bit more confusing than it was.
Don't get me wrong, I'm just stating the facts, you can check the specs by yourself.
Of course being on the Xiaomi forums there has to be a bit of bias for it, but in the end you go for what you want/need/have money for. The devices are similar, what made me lean to this side was better camera specs (f/1.9 aperture, dual pixel focus and bigger sensor), WiFi support, IR blaster and a rich modding community. Now I never used Asus devices nor do I know it's modding potential and devs interest, but I guess it's going to be good enough since it's cheap. The RN5 got a head start though, a lot of good devs are here.
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The only thing better with Asus is the bigger battery. I don't understand how it has advantage in other specs? It does not support WiFI a/ac nor does it have an IR blaster for example and there is no mention of presence/absence of Gorilla Glass on Asus. Now I have a RN5 AI, so this has better camera specs than all M1 variants, but the RN5Pro still has a slight advantage with 3/4gb vs 3/4gb variants.
Yes the Xiaomi made i d*ck move by implementing ARB without making possibility to disable it, but you can still flash custom roms just as you always did, it's the unlocking method that's a bit more confusing than it was.
Don't get me wrong, I'm just stating the facts, you can check the specs by yourself.
Of course being on the Xiaomi forums there has to be a bit of bias for it, but in the end you go for what you want/need/have money for. The devices are similar, what made me lean to this side was better camera specs (f/1.9 aperture, dual pixel focus and bigger sensor), WiFi support, IR blaster and a rich modding community. Now I never used Asus devices nor do I know it's modding potential and devs interest, but I guess it's going to be good enough since it's cheap. The RN5 got a head start though, a lot of good devs are here.
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i own both devices sir , i buyed redmi note 5 ai at the end of May and recently last week asus max pro m1 , i didnt use ir blaster and i dnt really know what is wifi a/ac .
from both device what makes me choose max pro m1 because the battery can last longer than my rn5 about an hour + in same usage , its has rgb led notification , the bottom speaker was way to better than rn5 , dedicated memory slot so nice if im planned to sell my rn5 and use with 1 device only, easily unlock bootloader and flash it with twrp+root without worrying anything , and cheaper than my rn5
sorry if something not right here ,its my own opinion sir im still xiaomi user for more than 15 devices variant , just comparing it with my own experience of usage .
Just wait for MI A2.
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lawong said:
i own both devices sir , i buyed redmi note 5 ai at the end of May and recently last week asus max pro m1 , i didnt use ir blaster and i dnt really know what is wifi a/ac .
from both device what makes me choose max pro m1 because the battery can last longer than my rn5 about an hour + in same usage , its has rgb led notification , the bottom speaker was way to better than rn5 , dedicated memory slot so nice if im planned to sell my rn5 and use with 1 device only, easily unlock bootloader and flash it with twrp+root without worrying anything , and cheaper than my rn5
sorry if something not right here ,its my own opinion sir im still xiaomi user for more than 15 devices variant , just comparing it with my own experience of usage .
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Oh sorry, forgot to mention the separate slot for SD card, which indeed is nice to have and RGB led which I didn't know it has But since I only use one SIM that's not something I need and speaker wise, it's good enough for me
In the end, one has to choose based on his needs and preferences, I would go for RN5, but that's my 2 cents we are giving pros and cons for both anyway
From reviews that I saw, the Zenfone has a pretty slow fingerprint scanner than the RN5. But they might've fixed that in an update. If I was in India, I'd go for the Zenfone (I wanted to get it before RN5 but I'm not in India), simply for the bigger battery. I'm not much of a camera guy, all I care about is lag free UI, decent gaming performance, good battery life, and sleek modern design.
Redmi note 5 pro, never had any problems in terms of modding & stuff. Besides it's very hard to get your hands on a Zenfone Max M1 (at least here in europe). The choice is yours, both are decent and 4 + 64 will be enough also in 3 years!
myron2699 said:
Go for the 6gb variant of the Zenfone Max pro M1. Xiaomi is a headache in terms of unlocking bootloader. I got permission to unlock months ago but I'm still not able to unlock it. Planning to sell my note 5 pro and get Zenfone Max pro!
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Just bit off IP. If you have still troubles with unlocking bootloader. Only thing you need is to use kinda very old Mi Unlock app. I am in work, so I cant provide you with the exact version I used, but I didnt have to wait that ridiculous time. Just PM and I will send u.
hello .. i am really interested with this phone as its currently on sale for 375USD ~ 1399 SAR (including VAT 15% and fees) wherr i am right now ( Moto G 5G Plus 128GB 8GB ram ) and i have some questions regarding this phone :
as i have been using android since 2010 ( Samsung S2 - Samsung Note - Samsung Note 2 - Innjoo - Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 - LG V20 - Poco F1 - Mi Max 3 - Mi Max 2 ) i would like to know about these particular points :
1. how does Motorola deliver software updates compared to Xiaomi, Samsung and LG for example ,,, Xiaomi for getting the most out of it with 3 to 4 security and bugs updates and a big android version change annually While LG might get the one or two update to security patches only with no android version update ????
This is still not answered, we received the September 2020 patch on android 10 for now RETMEA channel .... phone code name is nairo
2. Screen on time Expectations; and let me know if this is single or dual 5g / 4g standby mode .. this is important because it heavily affects the standby time ...
Can this phone use both sims and sd card with an adapter ? i would love to know if any of you have tried that
Answer : dual 4g standby and 4g+/5g on the active data sim when it supports it , hybrid adapter works and getting about a day and a half of life with this phone now ... Still on my second cycle and so far i am getting about 8 hrs sot
Update : battery usage is getting better ... 1.5 days of backup with 9 hrs SOT
3. is this phone easily rooted like requesting the unlock and then using a recovery from fastboot with magisk flash ? or its hard like doing LG v20 wizardry and dirty cow exploits with terminals and flashing ? ( i did both ways before on my older phones but i am just getting the sense of this phone
Answer : its not easily rooted due to lack of developers support and rooting will void all warranty which is absurd, plus you get an intrusive badge on your phone once you unlocked boot loader ... Xiaomi is far better in that case because you can re-lock it and the unlocked sign is not like a nuclear disaster sign .. this remind me of samsung and LG which is not appropriate
Rooted by patching the boot.img file with magisk app inside the phone then flashing it from fast boot, its a manual thing and the TWRP recovery is not working well on this Variant so far so you cannot rely on it (cannot access internal storage or sd card while it request codes or passwords)
4. how does this phone compare to the poco x3 nfc ? in terms of daily usage and smoothness ? is the internal memory fast like UFS ?
Answer : it is faster than poco x3 ... 276k poco vs 309k Antutu v8.4.3 ... Ufs 2.1 as gsm arena mentioned
5. does this phone support USB on the go function ? Are the ringer and notification volumes separable in the software ?
Answer : usb otg and charging other devices is supported, ringer and notification volumes cannot be separated (big bummer)? in settings but i am trying Volume Butler for now and so far i can say it sometimes work and sometimes not due to the fact i am using "island" which has applied a personal and a work profile inside the phone
6. does the phone speaker sound pack some bass like the lg v20 for example ? or its tinny like the poco F1 ?
Answer : closer to poco f1 less bass mono speaker, but its loud enough for media consumption for me atleast
7. will motorola support this phone even further with newer features like stereo speakers like what happened for the mi max 2 as an example ? or we will probably rely on other developers for a magisk module ?
Answer not clear yet
8. best cases for this phone ( links on amazon or aliexpress are appreciated if mods approve )
i bought lots of them from aliexpress and i am trying them now ... so far i like this one
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001600406047.html
for stickers i went installing the Hydrogel one yesterday and with the cover the whole phone experience went from ( a very slim phone that i am afraid to crush and break ) to ( this is a good phone that can deal with my daily usage )
9. the device has no notification LED and instead you get a pesky feature called ( display peek ) that keeps the phone turning the screen on for each move and vibration , plus the notifications cannot be seen if you have the hide notification mode on .... simply a bummer for a person who just wants to double tap to wake and unlock only as this called feature consume lots of battery for nothing ! ... motorola if you can see this please fix it
these are some of the detailed issues that i would like keep exploring solutions for as i am very eager to see your answer
Update : added some answers from my experience as i got the phone on 26-10-2020
No notification led light and the phone keeps lighting up the screen if you use moto gestures which is a pain .. already disabled
Google assistant button is useless
No double tap to wake
Nord VPN app notworking properly cannot login or use the vpn (Updated app now works fine)... Other vpn provider ultrasurf worked fine
No full screen recorder
21:9 screen is very long and only well suited for portrait use
Phone got security patch update September 2020
moto g 5g plus varient specs and antutu score
Some screen shots showing the current device specs and antutu score
I have had it for 2 weeks now, feels quite sluggish especially when switching apps but this is the 4gb ram version. Is the 8gb ram one any better?
This is an android one device which Google says should receive os updates for 2 years (android 11 and 12) and security updates for 3 but no word on the moto g 5g plus specifically
ludio22 said:
I have had it for 2 weeks now, feels quite sluggish especially when switching apps but this is the 4gb ram version. Is the 8gb ram one any better?
This is an android one device which Google says should receive os updates for 2 years (android 11 and 12) and security updates for 3 but no word on the moto g 5g plus specifically
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Glad to hear that it will be supported for 2 more years
Ram usage here is higher than 4gb everyday so yeah its smooth and working well so far ... Can you do the antutu on your varient and check the score to compare ?
Ps : dont forget to turn on adaptive performance it really makes it smoother after a couple of days depending on your usage
thanks
thanks for the advice about adaptive performance, i have turned that on and the difference is significant. i do have my reservations about downloading antutu, just because of all the stuff cheetah mobile has been accused of, but i have done some geekbench tests which I screenshotted but I don't knkow how to upload them here,
so the multi core scores averaged at 1838 and
the single threaded at 592 after running 3 tests
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thanks for the advice about adaptive performance, i have turned that on and the difference is significant. i do have my reservations about downloading antutu, just because of all the stuff cheetah mobile has been accused of, but i have done some geekbench tests which I screenshotted but I don't knkow how to upload them here,
so the multi core scores averaged at 1838 and
the single threaded at 592 after running 3 tests
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Hi ludio22,
I'm going to buy the 4gb version too. How is it going after these two months? Is 4gb really a limit for everyday use?
The phone can be rooted very easily, with the standard Magisk procedure.