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I'm having a very difficult time trying to find out if the rear camera on the G4 can indeed shoot 1080p video at 60 fps? Some reviews on YouTube say that it can, while some others say that it can't. I'm wondering if maybe the preview units LG sent out to testers can't do it and maybe the actual retail units can? Could anyone with a retail unit and not one of the preview units please see if the G4 can actually shoot 1080p videos at 60 fps?
No at this moment
Most of the specs I read say [email protected] and [email protected] Hope that's not a typo because is was hoping for 60fps
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In this article http://www.tmonews.com/2015/05/lg-g4-review/ it says:
"For this who like to shoot video, the G4 can shoot in resolutions up to 4k (at 30fps). If you want a higher frame rate for a smoother video, you can drop it down to Full HD 1080p and shoot at 60fps. It also has optical stabilization to minimize any camera movements."
Can't guarantee it's accurate but hope so.
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Most of the specs I read say [email protected] and [email protected] Hope that's not a typo because is was hoping for 60fps
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In this article http://www.tmonews.com/2015/05/lg-g4-review/ it says:
"For this who like to shoot video, the G4 can shoot in resolutions up to 4k (at 30fps). If you want a higher frame rate for a smoother video, you can drop it down to Full HD 1080p and shoot at 60fps. It also has optical stabilization to minimize any camera movements."
Can't guarantee it's accurate but hope so.
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Most of the specs say 1080p at 60 fps, but so far no videos actually show it. I have seen 1 video (and only 1 video) claim to be @ 60fps but there is no proof at all it was even shot with a G4. I played with a demo unit at a store yesterday and the unit I used definitely didn't shoot at 60 fps.
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Most of the specs say 1080p at 60 fps, but so far no videos actually show it. I have seen 1 video (and only 1 video) claim to be @ 60fps but there is no proof at all it was even shot with a G4. I played with a demo unit at a store yesterday and the unit I used definitely didn't shoot at 60 fps.
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I played with the AT&T version at the store and it had 1080p/60fps as an option.
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I played with the AT&T version at the store and it had 1080p/60fps as an option.
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Hmm interesting. I wonder if it's only an option on certain carriers right now? Do you remember what exactly what the menu options were? Was it just UHD, FHD, HD, and Slow-Mo or was there another option?
The LG G2 and G3 both have [email protected] so we can assume the G4 does as well. It needs a lot of light to shoot at 60fps otherwise the LG automatically lowers the frame rate. Not sure of the technical reasons but with my G2 I need to be outdoors on a sunny day to get 60fps. I tried last night inside in a dim room and it only recorded at 15fps even though I was on the 60fps setting. Still awaiting my g4 but it's the first thing I'm going to try.
I was finally able to find a video claiming 60fps!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6POQK_3nzw
That's a good start, although I still find it odd that this is the only LG G4 1080 60 fps video that I've seen (aside from 1 other random video that had no info at all). Especially considering how many of these they sent to youtubers to review. I'd still really like to see a screen shot of the menu actually showing the option.
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I was finally able to find a video claiming 60fps!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6POQK_3nzw
That's a good start, although I still find it odd that this is the only LG G4 1080 60 fps video that I've seen (aside from 1 other random video that had no info at all). Especially considering how many of these they sent to youtubers to review. I'd still really like to see a screen shot of the menu actually showing the option.
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I just took a short test video on my G4 and used MediaInfo software to analyse the file. it was only 30fps. I tried at both 4K and 1080p. There's no option anywhere in the camera app to choose framerate.
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I just took a short test video on my G4 and used MediaInfo software to analyse the file. it was only 30fps. I tried at both 4K and 1080p. There's no option anywhere in the camera app to choose framerate.
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I can confirm that both UHD and FHD produce 30fps videos. Or that is what vlc shows when playing them back on PC.
I can confirm that the G4 can't record in 60 fps.
I annilayzed with mediainfo.
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Bump for what? We've already established it can't do 60fps.
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Bump for what? We've already established it can't do 60fps.
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That guy in the video I linked still claims that it can in the comments on the video. I'm not sure if he is flat out lying or what, but he seems pretty certain.
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The LG G4's Camera is Unique at this moment, but GSMArena tells the awful truth in the review:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g4-6901.php :crying:
No, seems not to be so. Please Update your Camera Software to make it Perfect, LG.
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EDIT: In the Specs, they mention, that it's got it. But in the Review, they tell me the opposite
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The LG G4's Camera is Unique at this moment, but GSMArena tells the awful truth in the review:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g4-6901.php :crying:
No, seems not to be so. Please Update your Camera Software to make it Perfect, LG.
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EDIT: In the Specs, they mention, that it's got it. But in the Review, they tell me the opposite
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Yea, their specs are wrong. Not for the first time.
G3 can record at 60fps via XCAM, future updates might bring 60fps but if not then probably i hope XCAM will come to G4, that would unlock all hidden potential
Just like the g3 not it can't
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Yea, their specs are wrong. Not for the first time.
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So is the Review or the Specification Page Correct?
Can somebody try it?
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So is the Review or the Specification Page Correct?
Can somebody try it?
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Try reading this thread again. We've already discussed this. A few of us have already tested it.
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The slow motion video of ZenFone 2 ze551ml sucks.....its just 30fps video which runs at 6fps so as to give it a feel of slow motion which is badly sucks at it......it is a toshiba t4k37 which is capable of 720p @60fps & 180p @60fps & [email protected]
Proper development should unlock its capablities....plz take a look at this
I agree a real slow motion would be great
Who will help us??
hahaha did u remember what asus said "see what others %@&#&#& fuc* that get xiaomi mi4i install ****in snapdragon camera in fact its cheaper than so called zenfone 2
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hahaha did u remember what asus said "see what others %@&#&#& fuc* that get xiaomi mi4i install ****in snapdragon camera in fact its cheaper than so called zenfone 2
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Xiaomi's slow motion isn't that good either. I own a mi3w which costs more than the ZenFone 2. To be honest this device is just as good if not better than Xiaomi. I honestly don't think I'll ever buy another Xiaomi again as they have a lot of cons. They just make the phone look good in specs everything else in the phone is just crap at best.
1+2 had some nice slow motion.
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Dude my zenfone2 4gb 64 nearly costs 400$.....mi3 is heavily cheaper like 200$
But the main concern is that it really sucks at slow mutton
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Dude my zenfone2 4gb 64 nearly costs 400$.....mi3 is heavily cheaper like 200$
But the main concern is that it really sucks at slow mutton
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Dude my ZenFone 2 64gb 4g ram was $269 (with free shipping) with a free ASUS 10050 mah battery bank and my mi3w cost me $289 (plus $20 shipping). If you found a mi3w for around $200 it's probably a fake with the mediatek chipset.
Don't get me wrong the Xiaomi is a great phone if you never want to hear a call in your pocket, wake up to alarm, have cell phone signal inside buildings or want to be able to lock onto GPS satellites then yeah it's a great device. It also has a poorly designed charging port that ruins your cables (ruined 3 cables already) and eventually craps out. I'm currently awaiting a new charging port to arrive from China after just 1 year of use.
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By the way, the way our device does slow motion is basically the same as movies do slow motion. For example: in theaters movies play at 24fps. To achieve a slow motion scene they use a high speed camera capable of shooting up to a hundred thousand fps. So say they shot a scene at 2400fps and played it at 24fps you have slow motion. Beings our camera can't shoot hundreds of fps they shoot at the highest fps the software is capable of and lower the playback fps (30 to 6). I agree it would look a little better doing 60fps record and 12fps playback but your never going to achieve movie quality slow motion on any phone ever. Cameras like that cost thousands of dollars.
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My Samsung Galaxy S4 was capable of good slow motion, i'm sure that was software based too.
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My Samsung Galaxy S4 was capable of good slow motion, i'm sure that was software based too.
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maybe asus lock the camera capability ?
Oneplus one has 120fps
Anyone please help mee
I know it's late but... I can't hold it! I love how Asus puts great hardware in their phones and then ruins everything with poorly-made software that does not exploit its hardware capabilities at a maximum level. It's not only the RAW capability that's missing, but also the slow motion recording, which is a total joke! It's just a slowed-down 30 fps video. WHY ON EARTH did they do that? To keep the humongous 1080p format? I don't care if it's a 480p video as long as it's PROPERLY slowed down. (They need to reduce the format in order to increase the frame rate, to keep hardware parameters and things safe.) Just do your goddamn job and respect the hardware capabilities that YOU opted for, Asus!
Maybe they don't have a legal obligation to make hardware components available at a max level, but they definitely have a moral obligation out of respect for the customer. Even Samsung SGH-I900 (Omnia) shoots better slow motion videos, no matter if the resolution's crap! Pity, 'cause these are amazing devices that could shoot some pretty decent (even pro quality) photography or videos! The ZX551ML is a supposed "camera phone" - it shoots great pictures, but it could have been much better.
I also love how nobody knows what camera model is in the Zenfone Zoom's rear. For instance, we all know that the front camera in both models, the ZE551ML and ZX551ML, is Omnivision's OV5670, while the Zenfone 2 has a Toshiba T4K37 rear sensor. In Zenfone Zoom (ZX551ML), the hardware-information-gathering apps only show "Fujitsu MO10M" as the camera make and model, which is the image processing engine actually, not the sensor. And as to the front camera, according to Omnivision's official papers, that little bugger is capable of shooting 60 fps 1080p VIDEOS! It is also capable of shooting 120 frames per second at a 480p resolution. I see none of these things possible in Asus' implementation or default camera app... the famous PixelMaster. I don't know who is responsible for all these things but I think I'd make "great friends" with the software engineer who made this s**t.
Anything new on this? Did you find a way to unlock the real capabilities of your device? Thank you!
The pixel XI and the pixel are packed with snadragon 821 chipset wich supposed to be clocked at 2*2.35 kryo & 2*2.0 kryo but both pixel phones are clocked at 2*2.15 kryo & 2*1.6 Kryo which is exactly the same as SD820 on Lg G5 and the s7 so if someone knows what is the difference between the cpu in the pixel phones and the regular snapdragon 820 please write it down
From what I have read the 821 is a 820. The 821 is just higher binned 820. When they make chips they are not all the same. Some just are a little more efficient than others do to very minor differences in the chips. So a high binned 820 can handle a higher clock speed while using less power are turned into 821.
So Google decided they wanted to go with the 821 because it is more power efficient than a 820. But it seems Google thinks the speed of the 820 is fast enough to provide a good snappy user experience. So they are doubling down on efficiency by clocking these high binned chips down to the same as the 820. So say the 821 is 5% more efficient at stock speed over the 820. The 821 might be 10% more efficient at the same clock speed at the 820 while delivering the same speed as the 820. So they are sort of doubling down on efficiency over performance.
From the hands on I have seen everyone has described the phone as very fast. This is likely due to Google optimizing Android to run on the pixels hardware. Much like Apple does with the iPhone. Also the Pixel has some hardware features that might not show up on a regular spec sheet. It has some improved touch screen latency and faster storage. Because of these factors Google decided they don't need the extra performance of the 821 but instead want to utilize it's efficiency.
TLDR Google is going all in on the Pixel proving a very fast user experience while being power efficient!
So in theory once kernel source has been released we can just OC it back to "stock" frequency and get even faster performance with a hit to battery life.
I have the OP3 and the phone is clocking to max. frequency very rarely anyway. So there is no reason to clock it down for better efficiency.
So basically the pixel xl nd the pixel have snadragon 820 with a different name and better efficiency, as a result the gaming performance is the same as on the lg g5 or the s7 for example, these pixel devices arent worth the extra 200$
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So basically the pixel xl nd the pixel have snadragon 820 with a different name and better efficiency, as a result the gaming performance is the same as on the lg g5 or the s7 for example, these pixel devices arent worth the extra 200$
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The smaller Pixel has the potential to out do both of those phones and the Pixel XL in gaming since it has a native resolution of 1080p. The lower the resolution, the higher frames per second possible in games when using the same SoC, assuming the game is made to run at your phones native resolution.
ramqashou said:
So basically the pixel xl nd the pixel have snadragon 820 with a different name and better efficiency, as a result the gaming performance is the same as on the lg g5 or the s7 for example, these pixel devices arent worth the extra 200$
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In the current climate and with the 810 fiasco overshadowing can you really blame them for dialing it down? Perhaps the GPU is still clocked higher in the 821 and I'll take the efficiency as a perk. It's up to you what's worth $200 more but there are a few more bits less talked about included in the price.
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The smaller Pixel has the potential to out do both of those phones and the Pixel XL in gaming since it has a native resolution of 1080p. The lower the resolution, the higher frames per second possible in games when using the same SoC, assuming the game is made to run at your phones native resolution.
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I'd rather have 1080p at 60FPS than 2k at 30FPS on a screen that size, however I think most games, at least the big titles, have adjustable resolution so I think the only difference will be battery draw.
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I'd rather have 1080p at 60FPS than 2k at 30FPS on a screen that size, however I think most games, at least the big titles, have adjustable resolution so I think the only difference will be battery draw.
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I agree, I wasn't aware you could choose your resolution in mobile phone games as I don't really play demanding games on my phone, I assumed it was like mainstream game consoles where the developer predetermines the resolution or just sets it to use the native res by default.
I play games on PC, so it's pretty cool that you can change the resolution on mobile phone games like you can on PC games.
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I agree, I wasn't aware you could choose your resolution in mobile phone games as I don't really play demanding games on my phone, I assumed it was like mainstream game consoles where the developer predetermines the resolution or just sets it to use the native res by default.
I play games on PC, so it's pretty cool that you can change the resolution on mobile phone games like you can on PC games.
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As I understand it android has the capability and it's up to the devs to implement. The game can be rendered at whatever resolution and will then be upscaled. for example Warhammer Freeblade allows you to select which resolution to use and texture qualities just as you would in most PC games at the risk of losing frames however Need For Speed No Limits selects a pre-defined profile depending on device.
As I said, underclocking doesn't automatically mean better effiency... If you would have a 820 phone you would know that. I experimented a lot with different CPU settings on my One Plus 3 and underclocking is not worth it because it only cuts of performance but does NOT increase effiency because your CPU is using max frequency like 1% of the runtime anyway... In more than two days 2,15 GHz on the big cluster was used only 49s on my OP3.
And that the 821 reaches a higher frequency doesn't automatically mean that the CPU has a higher quality. I know it would be possible that the 820s are only bad 821s that don't surpass quality tests but I don't think so because the 820 was released much earlier. Usually it goes the other way around, like on GPUs. Nvidia first releases the very high end models and then sells the crappy GPUs in the lower end models. I don't think that Qualcomm is like, hey we are picking out all really good 820s and pile them up to sell them as 821s... A 821 could be better and more efficient but it's not necessarily true. A good 820 could still be as good or even better than a 821, regarding effiency. Also think about AMD Processors a few years ago, whole cores where unlock able and there was still room for OC if you were lucky.
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As I said, underclocking doesn't automatically mean better effiency... If you would have a 820 phone you would know that. I experimented a lot with different CPU settings on my One Plus 3 and underclocking is not worth it because it only cuts of performance but does NOT increase effiency because your CPU is using max frequency like 1% of the runtime anyway... In more than two days 2,15 GHz on the big cluster was used only 49s on my OP3.
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When talking about efficiency I'm referring more to undervolting as appose to underclocking, it may be the case that they have chosen those frequencies because the 821 steps up in voltage beyond that point thus increasing power consumption and heat. We'll have to wait and see how the Pixel performs, but if that underclock means the thermal load is capped lower we will also see less throttling, ideal for daydream.
As an example I would refer to overclocking desktop CPUs, the architecture is different but how it responds to heat and power is not. beyond a certain frequency the CPU requires exponentially more power and generates exponentially more heat the higher you go.
http://m.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_xl_benchmark_doesnt_show_performance_improvement-news-20927.php
This benchmark proves to all those who insist that the chipset in the pixel phones is better than the original snadragon 820
It might be only to reduce the heat. The battery efficiency is, IMO, very marginal.
But I will surely put back the 2.4GHz on mine.
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It might be only to reduce the heat. The battery efficiency is, IMO, very marginal.
But I will surely put back the 2.4GHz on mine.
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For some reason idont believe in overclocking, cuz it's beyond the device capabilities and it might cause some problems.
This seems a very big piece of marketing by Google. It isn't really an SD 821, its an SD820.
The 821 only has a 10% performance increase when clocked at its max frequency, so even if Google did leave it at its max frequency, a 10% increase would be barely noticeable, if noticeable at all in real world use.
The 821 does have some features that aren't available on the 820, which is why Google probably chose the 821 over the 820. I found this info about two important features for the 821, that's not found in the 820 and quoted it below.
"One of the main reason why Google used the Snapdragon 821 in the Pixel phones is the Snapdragon VR SDK (Software Development Kit). This is entirely unavailable with the Snapdragon 820. The new SDK comes with advanced VR toolset to give the developers broad access to the internal architecture of the Snapdragon 821 chipset. This is extremely useful and fully compatible with Google Daydream platform. The VR SDK helps in the rendering of cutting-edge visual and audio which helps in state of the art Virtual Reality experience."
"Another important thing which is unknown for most people is about the camera improvements brought by the MSM8996 Pro. The SoC can simultaneously use two phase detectors for significant improvement in focussing quality and time. On the contrary, the Snapdragon 820 or MSM8996 only supports single PDAF (Phase Detecting Auto Focus) systems. The newer chipset extends the range of laser autofocus technology. This will substantially boost the laser-assisted autofocus systems of upcoming smartphones."
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For some reason idont believe in overclocking, cuz it's beyond the device capabilities and it might cause some problems.
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That's a very incorrect statement. The kernel determines the clock speed. Google could choose something like 0.5GHz if they were so inclined. The phone would run like ****, but in your eyes, the device is not "capable" of anything faster. It sounds like Google purposely underclocked these. If nothing else, you are absolutely 100% fine to clock it back to the speed that Qualcomm, the OEM of the chipset, intended it to run at. True overclocking can present problems, but I have overclocked my CPUs, RAM, and GPUs for YEARS with no issues and reaped plenty of extra benefits in terms of performance. I used to do it on my smartphones too, but it is pointless and wastes battery for almost every use scenario.
Google specifically chose 2.15GHz instead of 2.4GHz as specified by Qualcomm, either due to heat issues or battery life benefit. I am going to guess they realized that their incredibly light and optimized software does not need a 2.4GHz CPU speed - hell, my 6P is faster with a SD 810 than my Note7 with an 820 in day to day use for a reason, that reason being stock Android is incredibly quick and efficient.
That is true from the chip standpoint. What you don't know, though, is if google/htc designed the heat removal system to handle the additional heat produced at full clock speeds without throttling...
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That is true from the chip standpoint. What you don't know, though, is if google/htc designed the heat removal system to handle the additional heat produced at full click speeds without throttling...
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The phone being a uni-body aluminium shell should help with that. My 5X gets mega hot when I run games or for extended screen on times, but the back is plastic. I think using the whole surface of the phone as an additional heat-sink so to speak could help with heat dissipation.
Either way - I hope someone tries to OC it back to "stock" qualcomm speeds. I will certainly try to see the results, that is, if custom kernels can be a thing with the Pixel.
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That's a very incorrect statement. The kernel determines the clock speed. Google could choose something like 0.5GHz if they were so inclined. The phone would run like ****, but in your eyes, the device is not "capable" of anything faster. It sounds like Google purposely underclocked these. If nothing else, you are absolutely 100% fine to clock it back to the speed that Qualcomm, the OEM of the chipset, intended it to run at. True overclocking can present problems, but I have overclocked my CPUs, RAM, and GPUs for YEARS with no issues and reaped plenty of extra benefits in terms of performance. I used to do it on my smartphones too, but it is pointless and wastes battery for almost every use scenario.
Google specifically chose 2.15GHz instead of 2.4GHz as specified by Qualcomm, either due to heat issues or battery life benefit. I am going to guess they realized that their incredibly light and optimized software does not need a 2.4GHz CPU speed - hell, my 6P is faster with a SD 810 than my Note7 with an 820 in day to day use for a reason, that reason being stock Android is incredibly quick and efficient.
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That's true i can't
Deny the power of stock android, but there are many other OEM custom skins that are well optimized and are plenty fast such as sense and Lg ux 5.0 and even the oxygen OS
There is a lot of debate over the performance between these 2 versions. So put 'em up. Any test or source you feel is relevant to your stance. I'll supply my 855 scores for a few. Please keep it friendly.
My OP didn't post the screenshots correctly.
Xda just takes a while to actually show attached images. Your first post was fine.
In synthetic tests the Exy should be faster, and rightfully so. It occupies more space than the SD855, so I suspect Samsung scaled perf back to match the 855. Now, the SD will probably run better than Exy in emus and native games.
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Xda just takes a while to actually show attached images. Your first post was fine.
In synthetic tests the Exy should be faster, and rightfully so. It occupies more space than the SD855, so I suspect Samsung scaled perf back to match the 855. Now, the SD will probably run better than Exy in emus and native games.
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Unless Exynos broke the mold this year, gaming is smoother on SD. If an Exynos user could start posting their results, that'd be awesome for the benchmark debate.
Are you saying that the 9820 is physically larger? If so, Qualcomm did implement a 7nm process to combat the difference.
Can you check what camera sensors you have?
I downloaded AIDA64 and it says I have ISOCELL in my S10+ Exynos version.
I want to know if Samsung is placing Sony IMX sensors on the Snapdragon variant.
I have used Antutu and Geekbench for the scores. Did not do anything else basically. Didn't know if I should have messed with some setting or had to restart for a better score. If I have to do the tests again, please let me know.
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I have used Antutu and Geekbench for the scores. Did not do anything else basically. Didn't know if I should have messed with some setting or had to restart for a better score. If I have to do the tests again, please let me know.
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I think I'm beating Snapdragon on a few of 3D ones too
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CPU, Compute, GFX Bench
I think I'm beating Snapdragon on a few of 3D ones
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@sireniankyle Run this in Chrome and show me what you get, I'm curious about 3D Web performance that doesn't rely on third party apps or their optimizations.
twelvematic said:
Can you check what camera sensors you have?
I downloaded AIDA64 and it says I have ISOCELL in my S10+ Exynos version.
I want to know if Samsung is placing Sony IMX sensors on the Snapdragon variant.
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I hope that's what you needed.
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I hope that's what you needed.
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Yes, thank you! Now I know why I'm getting worse pictures and videos than my Note 9...
Definitely US variant has the best hardware. Snapdragon is better than Exynos and Sony IMX camera sensors are better than ISOCELL.
I'm angry. I'll try to sell my G975F and get a G975U1 :/
twelvematic said:
Yes, thank you! Now I know why I'm getting worse pictures and videos than my Note 9...
Definitely US variant has the best hardware. Snapdragon is better than Exynos and Sony IMX camera sensors are better than ISOCELL.
I'm angry. I'll try to sell my G975F and get a G975U1 :/
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Sorry. I wish everyone got the right variant for them the first time.
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Unless Exynos broke the mold this year, gaming is smoother on SD. If an Exynos user could start posting their results, that'd be awesome for the benchmark debate.
Are you saying that the 9820 is physically larger? If so, Qualcomm did implement a 7nm process to combat the difference.
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Yes, the 9820 is larger than the SD855 and 9810. When it comes to games it's hard to gauge the Adreno, since PUBG already runs at 60FPS on the 835, or with HDR on. That means it'll be a while before the 845 starts to choke.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14069/chiprebel-releases-exynos-9820-die-shot
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Yes, thank you! Now I know why I'm getting worse pictures and videos than my Note 9...
Definitely US variant has the best hardware. Snapdragon is better than Exynos and Sony IMX camera sensors are better than ISOCELL.
I'm angry. I'll try to sell my G975F and get a G975U1 :/
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Nah mate you're going too far in misunderstanding about this whole tech.
ISOCELL is also not a brand but a technology name for sensor produced by Samsung, Sony's counterpart is still using barely improved version of BSI, an older technology.
In theory, ISOCELL is superior to pretty much everything else, the only way for it to lose is to have inferior processing, the Pixel 3 makes good use of its IMX363 even if it technically has an older system.
Regarding ISOCELL vs BSI on the same device and same software processing will always come with better result through the ISOCELL. DXomark's review of the S10 used the International version with a 4.32mm ISOCELL, and it is the first in its class.
Also, the IMX sensor in @sireniankyle's screenshot is the selfie front facing camera, you can see the other rear facing camera being an ISOCELL (ultra-wide 1.80mm) as well.
I have attached my Exynos AIDA sensor screens and one of DXOmark's benchmarking sample with the sensor data recorded.
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@twelvematic You shouldn't sell your G975F, we have:
-30%+ more single core performance
-equal or in some cases superior GPU performance (check my other post on the thread)
-unlockable bootloader at any time
-updated proprietary sensors that Samsung has full control on
-proprietary SoC that Samsung has full control on, most OEMS have no control over whether or not Qualcomm will continue supporting their platform with libs after 2 years, that's why most Qualcomm devices started having dead or crippled AOSP support in the last years, it turned from being community friendly into becoming just another American toxic corporation, it deserves to die like one, their patenting game is also dishonest and illegal in many cases.
-potentially superior battery life, Snapdragon users aren't even getting close to my 13.5h SoT record, their battery life drama percentage seems to be higher than ours (battery optimisation guide is coming soon btw)
If anything isn't performing in a satisfying way I am fully assured it can be solved with software updates. This affects all new technologies, and Qualcomm is not the new boy here.
Samsung has the means, they have the experience and media has already applied pressure on this Exynos vs Snapdragon issue for quite some time.
I was very negative about Exynos being potentially lame while waiting for my European pre-order, I do not worry anymore.
sireniankyle said:
I hope that's what you needed.
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Not sony. Screenshot on exynos
GPU Performance
Corv0 said:
To keep it separated from my previous post:
@twelvematic You shouldn't sell your G975F, we have:
-30%+ more single core performance
-equal or in some cases superior GPU performance (check my other post on the thread)
-unlockable bootloader at any time
-updated proprietary sensors that Samsung has full control on
-proprietary SoC that Samsung has full control on, most OEMS have no control over whether or not Qualcomm will continue supporting their platform with libs after 2 years, that's why most Qualcomm devices started having dead or crippled AOSP support in the last years, it turned from being community friendly into becoming just another American toxic corporation, it deserves to die like one, their patenting game is also dishonest and illegal in many cases.
-potentially superior battery life, Snapdragon users aren't even getting close to my 13.5h SoT record, their battery life drama percentage seems to be higher than ours (battery optimisation guide is coming soon btw)
If anything isn't performing in a satisfying way I am fully assured it can be solved with software updates. This affects all new technologies, and Qualcomm is not the new boy here.
Samsung has the means, they have the experience and media has already applied pressure on this Exynos vs Snapdragon issue for quite some time.
I was very negative about Exynos being potentially lame while waiting for my European pre-order, I do not worry anymore.
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GPU equal or superior? Lol. It's not even better than the Adreno on my Note 9. Not only in the benchmarks... It is clearly noticeable in PUBG Mobile. Mali GPU lags.
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GPU equal or superior? Lol. It's not even better than the Adreno on my Note 9. Not only in the benchmarks... It is clearly noticeable in PUBG Mobile. Mali GPU lags.
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Geekbench GPU comparison
twelvematic said:
Geekbench GPU comparison
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Renderscript is very unrelated to 3D performance, and it's also extremely dependant on kernel optimisation.
Why don't you run GFXbench on the Note? You will see what I'm talking about.
Samsung should improve their kernel optimisation game, the silicon is great, they're just lazy, at least my battery is insanely good and no Snapdragon is minimally getting close. That alone is worth more than any loss in benchmarks.
I had both S10+ Exynos 9820 and Snapdragon 855 for a night before selling the Exynos model. Here are some tests which you can access from my google drive folder.
Tests:
- Speedtest
- Antutu
- AiTutu (AI performance using NPU)
- Geekbench
- 3DMark
- Aida64 (specs)
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1givIr8Vvzp2TqTUjxVYbEeIKNX_WNv51
Great to see that Samsung is using High end sensors even in their budget devices.
》Imx 576 sensor on the rear of Galaxy A50 :
https://pasteboard.co/I8HMVvi.jpg
》Samsung's own Iso cell sensor is used for front camera in Galaxy A50.
Checked using various Information apps like AIDA64, etc. on my Galaxy A50.
Sumedh_ said:
Great to see that Samsung is using High end sensors even in their budget devices.
》Imx 576 sensor on the rear of Galaxy A50 :
https://pasteboard.co/I8HMVvi.jpg
》Samsung's own Iso cell sensor is used for front camera in Galaxy A50.
Checked using various Information apps like AIDA64, etc. on my Galaxy A50.
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Yea this is nothing new really i just wish they would allow us to record 4k videos in the stock camera app.
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Sensor, cpu, and storage are all 4k ready. Maybe in a future update
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Sensor, cpu, and storage are all 4k ready. Maybe in a future update
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Yea thats what iam saying, its capable of 4k but they limited it.
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Honestly, I'd rather have 1080p 60fps then 4k - too huge videos wasting space.
madd0g said:
Honestly, I'd rather have 1080p 60fps then 4k - too huge videos wasting space.
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Agree, 60fps is more useful for me than 4K. If the camera had 60fps capability, the slow motion video will be more smooth
h.d.z.z said:
Yea this is nothing new really i just wish they would allow us to record 4k videos in the stock camera app.
sent from a far away planet
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No one seemed to post this info about its sensor & I'm the first one to do so, hence the post.
I doubt that they'll enable 4k, though exynos 9610 is capable of doing 4k @120fps.
Sent from a nearby planet,lol.
Sumedh_ said:
No one seemed to post this info about its sensor & I'm the first one to do so, hence the post.
I doubt that they'll enable 4k, though exynos 9610 is capable of doing 4k @120fps.
Sent from a nearby planet,lol.
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Iam guessing they wont enable it because a50 is already a good deal and if it gets 4k recording at 60fps or 120fps people will probably not care about the other devices in the A series.
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madd0g said:
Sensor, cpu, and storage are all 4k ready. Maybe in a future update
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Use OpenCamera and you can use 4K but I think they limited it to have a reason to sell A70
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SixPaths said:
Agree, 60fps is more useful for me than 4K. If the camera had 60fps capability, the slow motion video will be more smooth
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Slow Motion are 120fps
I have a question, why there is no hdr on 25mp? Shooting 25mp on a good lighting condition really gives a sharper and more detailed shot compared to the default 12mp but the only downside is there is no hdr that results in an uglier shot.
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I have a question, why there is no hdr on 25mp? Shooting 25mp on a good lighting condition really gives a sharper and more detailed shot compared to the default 12mp but the only downside is there is no hdr that results in an uglier shot.
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Use open camera to shoot 25mp hdr photos
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Sumedh_ said:
Great to see that Samsung is using High end sensors even in their budget devices.
》Imx 576 sensor on the rear of Galaxy A50 :
https://pasteboard.co/I8HMVvi.jpg
》Samsung's own Iso cell sensor is used for front camera in Galaxy A50.
Checked using various Information apps like AIDA64, etc. on my Galaxy A50.
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wow! i never thought it has imx576, so cool!
with custom rom and unlocked camera2 api it should make great photos!
CBET said:
wow! i never thought it has imx576, so cool!
with custom rom and unlocked camera2 api it should make great photos!
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Yea but the challenge is to actually unlock camera2 api first.
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killingfire28 said:
I have a question, why there is no hdr on 25mp? Shooting 25mp on a good lighting condition really gives a sharper and more detailed shot compared to the default 12mp but the only downside is there is no hdr that results in an uglier shot.
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Hey bud, you can use hdr mode @25mp using "Open Camera".
I suggest using default non-hdr mode @25 Mp only in daylight/good light.
12 Mp hdr shots would give better images in lowlight due to pixel binning resulting in higher micron size.
Cheers !
Arnaud Créative Studios said:
Use OpenCamera and you can use 4K but I think they limited it to have a reason to sell A70
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Slow Motion are 120fps
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The new update brings slow motion @240 fps & Super Slow mo @480 fps
Sumedh_ said:
The new update brings Super Slow motion @240 fps.
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Super Slow Motion is 480 fps not 240 fps
Arnaud Créative Studios said:
Super Slow Motion is 480 fps not 240 fps
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Exactly !